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MoSe posted 05-04-99 12:23 PM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe   Click Here to Email MoSe  
To all that were interested in Erewhon and didn't make it, and to everyone who might like to play a PBEM.
I have a scenario available, with the following settings:

Large
Dense (Cloud Cover )
-----(the following are still adjustable)
Thinker
Blind Research OFF
Intense Rivalry ON (Aggressive AI)

anything else average or default.

Applicants are asked to make clear their:

factions preference order
TimeZone AND
OnLine / PBEM time window
preference for number of human players

Many challenges based on the same scenario may well be started at the same time (or subsequent as well!).
Of course one player can not take part in more than one Newhon challenge: even if he takes a different faction, he would be aware of some opponents position from his other game!

I think the scenario is suitable for play with any number of human players: the participants will indicate what fits best for them.

I have to try if the "Eliminate Faction" item in scenario editor menu will allow you to START a PBEM with less than 7 overall faction playing, it could be an idea.

MariOne
aka
CMN Ace

Goobmeister posted 05-04-99 12:44 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
MariOne, I knew all along that your devilish good sense would shine through...

I can not hope to be competing in so many PBEM games that my mind explodes do to the sheer number of times I call my ISP...

happy to play

Goob

JAMiAM posted 05-04-99 12:54 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
MoSe,

Sorry I jumped the gun and posted in the other thread. I'll post here in order to be complete.

Faction preferences: Open, I will play any. So, feel free to suggest one if it helps to optimize turn around time due to time zone optimization.

Time Zone: I live in California, USoA. So, PST.

Online/pbem window: 8:00am-midnight PST. I could go a little later if I KNEW a turn was forthcoming.

Preferred # of human players: 4, particularly if AI is set to aggressive.

Other options: I am generally flexible on the rules and preferences used. My main preference though seems to fly in the face of common practice. That is, I prefer the "Wild and Wooly" approach to in-game communications. I will gladly play with no-contact, no talk, but would much rather prefer to to have diplomacy/trade/threats/etc be available options from the beginning of the game. I think that it adds so much to the game. This really should be a consideration (again, especially if AI is set to aggressive.) Another thing that it will help is in preventing the game degenerating into a Impact Rover rush game, if the builders can use diplomacy and alliances to slowdown the warlike players.

JAMiAM

MoSe posted 05-04-99 01:20 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
JAM, if you find 3 others that agree upon WaW communications, then you get it!
Aredhran posted 05-04-99 01:24 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aredhran  Click Here to Email Aredhran     
MoSe... NEWHON - Fritz Leiber ?

Or is it just a twist on your "nowhere" plot ???

Aredhran

MoSe posted 05-05-99 01:07 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
Dull day, today.

So far we have Goob's and JAM's subscriptions.
JGMagnus applied for too in Erewhon thread.
I received an e-mail from a Hendrik S. Tubingen guy showing interest (are you still around here, Hendy?).
I didn't get if cousLee really wanted to participate in this one too, or if he was just available to fill in a vacant spot.

So if we get a confirmation from magnus and/or the cousin, we could start a new one

swift swiss: Fritz Leiber? which novel? maybe some buried old memory from me? actually it was a twist on the Erewhon "plot"

btw, no news from Erewhon, did Chairman Flomeise receive his turn?

CMN Ace

-bingless day, sad lonely day...

JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 01:30 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
"...he's a real Erewhon man, living in his Erewhon land, making all his Erewhon plans, for nobody."

MoSe,

What if they created a CMN game and nobody showed up? I don't *have* to play WaW, just prefer to. So, don't let any perceived pickiness on my part stop you from getting another version of this creation going. One thing though, if Goob's in a game with me he has to be any faction other than the one immediately following mine. He's doing that already in two other games and, frankly, I'm getting paranoid from him always following me. Of course I wouldn't want to restrict Goob's choice of factions. So let him pick first. Maybe I'll follow him around for a change. That is, of course if he isn't already up to his eyebrows in SMAC pbems by now.

JAMiAM

Goobmeister posted 05-05-99 02:00 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
JAM, I guess that rules out us playing a 2 person game...

My personal preferences are for an average to dry planet with weak erosion (mountains) and strong/active native life. I want the players trying to kick planets ass but being weak enough that it can kick back pretty hard.

I will play any game and just about any faction

Goob

JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 03:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Goob,

No it doesn't, because then I'll be following you...won't I?

JAMiAM

cousLee posted 05-05-99 03:33 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for cousLee  Click Here to Email cousLee     
MoSe, sure, I'll play. WaW is ok also. that is the way we play hotseat (3 players in the house). as for faction, Take a wild and wooly guess .
cousLee posted 05-05-99 03:53 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for cousLee  Click Here to Email cousLee     
perhaps i should take the slot between these two!

Paranoia: Thinking someone is out to get you.
Lalanoia: KNOWING someone is out to get you.

Aredhran posted 05-05-99 04:01 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aredhran  Click Here to Email Aredhran     
Mose,

About Newhon and Leiber, I can't remember the novel's title (I read them over 10-15 years ago...)

Maybe Lankhmar ? Anyway... It does not matter.

Aredhran

JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 04:15 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Okay, we are four. The same four as there as before. If you want, I can play some more. Why was the last poet shown the door? Was he so bad, or just a bore? Did he spout til your ears were sore? I guess youe guys evened the score. For they found his body in the moor.

You guys kept waiting to hear me say...prostitute, didn't ya? Ya know you did. But I wouldn't do that because I'm a good boy, just like that Bible-toting, two-gun son of a gun, Couslee.

Well, if you guys don't mind the same players in a different world (and maybe different factions), I'm game. WaW or not.

JAMiAM

JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 04:30 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
"Boy, he screwed up" they said with glee. He thought there were four (we're only three.) Aredhran's in Erewhon already, you see. A cheater he's not, to play with thee. For he knows that world, land and sea. And, if another is as brave as he, come now forth, say "I am he!"

JAMiAM
...really wishing he could edit out typos.

zeebo posted 05-05-99 07:32 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for zeebo  Click Here to Email zeebo     
That would be me
count me in - preferably as Gaians or PKs but I'll play as anyone,
Z.
([email protected])
JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 08:06 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Goob & cousLee,

What do you say? zeebo wants to play. He's an aussie and a forum newbie but I don't think that we should hold it against him as he seems properly desperate and is currently showing a pulse.

JAMiAM

cousLee posted 05-05-99 08:59 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for cousLee  Click Here to Email cousLee     
include the Zeebo
for it's fine with me
A good game will show
if he's really newbie
I say we get started

General "two guns" cousLee

(not a poet, but tries anyway)

JAMiAM posted 05-05-99 11:09 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Goob?

We just need to know if:

A) You're still up for another.
B) You want an international line-up of heinies to kick.

Please respond to this thread or I'll hunt you down with my AOL arsenal.


cousLee,

Pick your faction. Post here.


zeebo,

Pick your faction. Post here.


I'll pick from the leftovers. My favorite part of the meal.


JAMiAM

cousLee posted 05-05-99 11:41 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for cousLee  Click Here to Email cousLee     
not knowing which factions are available, for this game (in order of prefrence):
UoP/Gaians/Spartans
JAMiAM posted 05-06-99 12:48 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
cousLee,

You should take the UoP. First come, first served, first choice. That'll leave zeebo his two options available (which will afford you no excuses, zeebo), Goob to pick from 5 remaining, and me, from the last 4. As soon as we know who's on first, we'll lay a sacrificial lamb at the great God MoSe's altar to secure his blessings and be rolling.

Sound like a plan? If any objections, please feel free to speak up, and post them here.

JAMiAM

Goobmeister posted 05-06-99 02:49 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
What am I doing here at this time of night?
Informing the world that Corazon does where leather and so do I! I had a cool black leather tie in the mid eighties does that still count?
Spartan Cheer
Kick 'im in the stomach
kick 'im in the head
we want blood
RED, RED, RED!

JAMuR, do not pick Morgan

Goob

MoSe posted 05-06-99 04:38 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
HoHoHo, it's nice to have you little elves to arrange things tidily overnight.

Too bad you left out Hendy, who was actually positive in his e-mail: he wanted to play.

Let's do it this way:
Since our PBEM games are organized in the Forums, sooner or later a SMACer will have to post something here or in Apolyton. Furthermore, to know about it in the first place, he had to be lurking at least, so he could as well be posting.

So, while I definitely consider Hendy available for one of these Newhon challenges, I won't actually enlist him in a starting roster until he shows up in _THIS_ thread.
Same for JGMagnus and for every future interested challengers.

Now, let's see how did you dispose the cutlery on the table (hey, we'd need a fifth philosopher! ):

1. (or 4.) Zeebo, Gaia or PK (in THIS order of pick?)
prob. 2. cousLee, UoP
prob. 3. Goob, Sparta
whatever. JAMiAM, whatelse (I had to use your 1st person ID in the list, JAMuR)

I'd need Zeebo to clarify his online/PBEM window, and Sidney is GMT+10, right? (of course, I checked it in the Control Panel )

As soon as I get JAM's pickles, we can start.

Although only two of you expressed in favour of Wild and Woolly commlikns, I'll split the tie and grant free and unlimited interfaction interactions.
btw, wouldn't W&W or W'n'W be better than WaW?

CMN Ace


MoSe posted 05-06-99 04:46 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
JAMuR, you made me recall of

The Lamb lies down on Broadway

was it... '75?

zeebo posted 05-06-99 09:02 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for zeebo  Click Here to Email zeebo     
Yeh I'll play as the Gaians - I've had more experience with them than any other faction. And yes, I am a newbie to PBEM and fairly new to SMAC but I've been playing Civ-type games for years
I should be able to play a bit at work as well as in the evenings so say 9am-12am my time, which (I think) would be 7pm-10am GMT,
Z.
Goobmeister posted 05-06-99 10:53 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
MoSe, if your friend wants to play, I can be convinced to relinquish my seat. After all if I can't play behind JAMheIS why play? Don't get me wrong I am happy to play in front of or behind JAM, I just don't want to be a PBEM hog.

Goob

JAMiAM posted 05-06-99 11:26 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
MoSe,

You are truly omniscient! Yes, that's one of my favorite albums. The last "real" Genesis album and one of the five I'd take to the proverbial desert island. You're off by a year though, 1974. Even gods make mistakes, sometimes.

I'll pick the Hive. That'll put some seperation between me and Goob. Also, it should allow for some time zone optimization as I could play my turn at work early in the day, cousLee before Goob gets home, then Goob by the time zeebo wakes up. We should be able to knock of a turn a day if nobody slips up.

If Goob bows out and someone else steps in, that's fine, but I was trying to give him a chance to beat me. Since he's only in two games with me right now that doesn't make his odds very favorable. I figured if I gave him a chance in three games his odds would be a little better. Like 15% instead of only 10%.

JAMiAM
Let it be known, the gauntlet is thrown.

MoSe posted 05-06-99 11:51 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
Back I am, after succedingly bending an unruly AutoCAD 14 to accept custom sizes exceeding the A0 default (it really didn't like NT system drivers for HP DJ 750C+, it absolutely wanted to use its own. I had to teach it some Doctrine: Flexibility).

Now, I stated the Forum PBEM rule:
you have to post in the call to challenge thread to be in.

thus:

1. Lord Zeebo, Gaia
2. Chairman "Rael" JAM, Hive
3. Provost cousLee, UoP
4. Coronel Goob, Sparta

I think I can kick it off right away.
Remember, I used the scenario, but only slightly edited a suitable random map, and only slightly biased the normal development of the game, played from inside the scenario.

I just come from DLing Slartibartfast maps and scenarios, I'll take inspiration from there for my future demiurgical efforts.

I had some of your test meals (er... yum! damn diet) come through, but none yet with attachments. I'm at my company's MailMaster's mercy.

CMN Ace

Goobmeister posted 05-06-99 12:12 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
JAMuRtrulyHIGH. I have not lost a PBEM game yet! SO don't go getting your hopes up, OK big guy.

It'll be 110 degrees in Phoenix long before you even have a chance of beating me. I will have drunk at least 2 Mocha's before you even get in the vicinity of being able to beat me.

I will have successfully clipped my toenails before you come up with a strategy that will make my troops tremble in anything other than barely controlled laughter.

Goob
Please ignore the fact that non of my PBEM games have gone beyond the 6th turn that is irrelevent to my first comment.

JAMiAM posted 05-06-99 01:04 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Goob,

So, does all of that bantering mean that you're not gonna chicken out? Bring it on you rover wrecking son of a sea biscuit. Let's see what ya got. Do it. Just say "go". Let us all know you're up for the challenge.

JAMiAM

Goobmeister posted 05-06-99 01:33 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
I think the main issue is whether I would find a challenge in this game. cousLee normally plays some good first few turns, but he is playing UoP and so is naturally handicapped, Then there is the unknown newbie from Australia, now I understand that most Aussie's are warmongering, shrimp on the barbie, veggimite spreading, PBEM Gods. But this one was willing to play the peacekeepers which means he's one of those passive Aussies (Passie Aussies we call em back home) and a Passive Aussie is no better than a New Zealander fer crissakes...

And then there is the one and only JAMiAM, a whiskey drinking, No Cal living, AOL using, Hive playing smart arse if there ever was one. I guess I will tremble in my boots for a while, ..... oops I'm done, and that is about how long your forces will last against The Spartan war machine.

Goob

Zeebo, if your sense of humor is as good as most Australians, who I have had the pleasure of meeting I have no need to write this, but just in case... No offense was intended.

MoSe posted 05-06-99 01:46 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
NEWHON1 Launched!
Others keep on applying for next instances.
JAMiAM posted 05-06-99 04:21 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Goob,

Sheeeeeesh! I thought I was long winded. A simple "yes" would have sufficed. We'll see how much hot air that borehole blows when I've overrun those pathetic palisades and poopshacks you have the gall to call bases. I only hope we leave enough splinters and mangled bodies to compost the turnip gardens we'll plant across your former lands.

Chairman JAMiAM

cousLee posted 05-06-99 04:47 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for cousLee  Click Here to Email cousLee     
those that can't, wail on and on and on and on...

Those that can, will be found in the University ranks

Goobmeister posted 05-06-99 05:05 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goobmeister  Click Here to Email Goobmeister     
Those that can, will be found in the University ranks

Yes and they will be probeing the **** out of the University Datalinks.

JAM, once you get your Hive encased head out of the ground, oh I forgot you live there, you will see that the Spartan children will be rounding up your elite troops and leading them to your "feeding tanks".

Lt. Colonel Goob
(much better than a "Major Goob")
Is this W&W enough?

JAMiAM posted 05-06-99 05:18 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JAMiAM  Click Here to Email JAMiAM     
Colonel Goob,

Your snotty nosed, orphaned brats will bring our stormtroopers flowers and beg to be adopted into a safe and nurturing society. We will educate them as to their true place in society and purge from them this rabid individualism that you have so selfishly implanted into their feeble minds. If they are unwilling... Well, what do I care for their pain and suffering?

Chairman JAMiAM

MoSe posted 05-12-99 07:51 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MoSe  Click Here to Email MoSe     
Isle of the Deep emerging...
for reference purposes

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