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Aredhran posted 04-30-99 10:05 AM ET
I would like to start a new PBEM game, and I'm looking for a fellow CMN to create it and play the first 30 turns for us. No moderating/narrating necessary, we only want a neutral, sensible accelerated start.
Game rules:
Thinker, Large map, dense clouds, average life & erosion, all victories allowed, no spoils, blind off. No SPs built.
Players will be: GoobMeister ([email protected]), Darkstar ([email protected]), JAMiAM ([email protected]) and myself ([email protected]). Guys, please post your faction preferences here.
Send me a note if you'd like to do this for us, and/or if you have any questions. Thanks in advance for your help.
Aredhran
PS: Don't bother applying to be a part of it, as all human slots are already filled. If you still want to play in a game with me or the others, feel free to send me an e-mail.

Aredhran posted 04-30-99 10:08 AM ET
Darkstar,
Above are the settings for the game I originally wanted to play. I got your message where you say you'd rather play a faster game on a smaller map.
If our CMN-to-be (or someone else !) agrees to do it, while not take the same players and start another PBEM game with, the same parameters (see above), except maybe aggressive AI ?
What do you think ?
Aredhran
Goobmeister posted 04-30-99 10:23 AM ET
Aredhran, you beat me to it. (of course I would have posted for heavy life and weak erosion )
Faction preferences:
Gaians,Spartans,Peacekeepers
I am all for a large game or a small game or both. If we play extra games then we could accept some other players possibly.
The thing to remeber after watching/playing in a few games now is we have to set up a specific system for naming save files, filing them and sending them properly. With multiple games with common players it can get confusing quickly.
Goob
JAMiAM posted 04-30-99 07:00 PM ET
Hey Guys,
As I mentioned before, I'll take my pick of whoever is leftover. Let's get it going! If push comes to shove, rather than fart around waiting for someone to create a game for us, let's start from 2101. I'd like to finish before we get there and start before we leave.
JAMiAM
Glak posted 04-30-99 08:02 PM ET
whoa, you guys are playing large map? Ok, so.... you are planning of a three year game I guess.
Goob: what is this about naming files? You don't need a system at all. In fact I think it just makes things harder on people. In a PBEM that I have been playing for however long patch 3 has been out we have used the same file name the whole game. It is much simpler. You just download the file to your computer, take your turn, save over the old file and send. We don't bother zipping it up either (though I hear it takes a few minutes for the two modem guys to dl, but then again taking the time to zip and unzip takes about that long). We have had few problems but that is firaxis's fault for that save bug. I can see no advantage to a naming system, all it would do is fill your computer up with old saves.
Glak posted 04-30-99 08:03 PM ET
oh and I would volunteer but I don't think that I am qualified enough, especially since I don't know the tech tree. If you really need someone I could do it but don't expect good results.
tfs99 posted 04-30-99 08:30 PM ET
>>>>>>> Glak (re: ZIPping .SAV files)
With WinZip (or something like it), it should take all of five seconds to zip the file. Right drag, release, pick Add to Zip with same name and BOOM -- you have your zip.
Right click again and pick send to mail recipient and you are on your way.
I do agree that the complex naming can be a hassle. I too find that a unique name for each game suffices.
I am in a crabby mood so please forgive me if I sound nasty with the following:
Clogging up the internet with unnecessary data traffic is irresponsible. Probably not as bad as, but certainly akin to, littering.
SMAC On ... Ted S.
Meister Weizenkeim posted 04-30-99 09:09 PM ET
i'll do it for you. Starting ... now !
With the settings of the original thread.
How many turns do you want to have played ?
[email protected]
Goobmeister posted 05-01-99 02:50 AM ET
I vote for 50 to 60 turns, whatever looks good. 4 human factions and I am fine with a standard map but I will defer to the others.
Goob
Aredhran posted 05-01-99 11:23 AM ET
Hey Goob, see ? There's another Meister out there
Ok, Mr Meister II, your offer is accepted. I would go for about 50 years as well. I'd go for the Hive (never tried them MP) or Spartans but not Morgan or the Gaians.
Since quite a few people offered to CMN for us (cousLee, December Man), I think there's potential for at least another game, so Darkstar we could have a "small map" one going on as well with the same players and the same rules (and possibly the same factions, to see the impact of the map), what do you think ?
Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-01-99 11:53 AM ET
yeah, the Meisters rule :-) !
looks like Goobmeister is Gaia and Aredhran the Hive.
We should discuss the remaining factions via regular email.
I would also suggest to pursue a SP or two per faction. A game w/o a single SP in 2150 seems a bit forced to me.
Maybe each player could mail me his 2 or 3 SP he would *absolutely* build with his faction.
happy smacin !
JAMiAM posted 05-01-99 01:57 PM ET
Okay guys we got us a sucker, err...brave volunteer, to set us up a game. Many thanks to the right honorable Meister Weizenkeim. Since Darkstar has not yet responded to this thread and stated his preference for faction choice, I'll give mine in descending order:
PK, UoP, Morgan, Spartans, Believers. I assume we are still playing standard or larger map with the preferences stated at the top of the thread. If anything changes, I can live with (or die with ) just about anything. Just post a *complete* set of rules used so that we all know exactly what we're playing.
JAMiAM
the Pushy Peacekeeper
p.s. I thought I said that I wanted to play. Are we *still* only talking about this?
cousLee posted 05-02-99 04:41 AM ET
Aredhran, thrice I have had my email returned with fatal errors. The usa.net address has something worng with it. this has been happening over a period of about 3 days.
Aredhran posted 05-02-99 03:19 PM ET
cousLee:
I know, usa.net is f***ed up. Their service sucks, and now they want to charge for it, so I'm gonna change my e-mail address very soon.
In the meanwhile, try sending messages directly to my work e-mail [email protected]
Sorry about that.
Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-02-99 07:52 PM ET
the game is ready to be sent to Goob.
as soon as CousLee picks his faction.
Starting year is 2150, everyone is in pretty good shape.
Every faction is approx. halfway through a SP
gonna be fun !
cousLee posted 05-03-99 02:57 AM ET
OH, I didn't know I was included in this one. ermm, Believers or Whatever. Just not Lal. (I would have the PB myself)
Aredhran posted 05-03-99 04:31 AM ET
cous: Originally, you were not (maybe MW - hehehe, same initials as Mind Worm - got confused), Darkstar was our 4th player.
But it does not really matter, as long as the game starts !
We can always get another one going... Actually, if your CMN offers still stands, you could prepare another game with the same parameters (except map size: make it Small)
Aredhran
Aredhran posted 05-03-99 04:36 AM ET
To all the people who offered their assistance to get our game started:
cousLee
December Man
Glak
Meister Weizenkeim
micje
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Meister Weizenkeim "got it" because it was the first one to give me an answer...
I must say, I'm amazed that so many people offered their help so that fellow gamers could have some fun. It's really great to be part of the "SMAC brotherhood" !
Thanks again.
Aredhran
MoSe posted 05-03-99 06:12 AM ET
HOLY S***IT!
Don't you all have something better to do on weekends than making scenarios?
I stayed up till 4AM last night to crank out that possible start for you PBEM!!!
It took me some time to figure out. Twice it wiped out all when I just asked to reset factions (of course, twice coz the 1st time I didn't realize what thet reason was)!
I used the initial requests, large planet, played the 7 factions and saved a scenario at the end of 2129 and a .SAV at the beginnig of 2130.
I can imagine how to kick it, but some advice is welcome on the correct procedure to wimp out the AI factions and send the game to the 1st player.
WHO'S GONNA BENEFIT FROM MY SMAC COMMITMENT NOW!!!?
Meister WeizenKeim (Keim??? was meint es?), don't worry I don't really bear resentment, good job, and I'm offline in the weekend.
And I answer to you: AAAALLLLLLL!!!!!
I'm an SP monger. Of course I'd give priorities, but usually I adapt them to the actual situation. I guess it would be another hard task for a Creator to pretend not to know the real advancement of the several SPs in the race for them.

JAMuARE: I usually forget too which the actual defaults are, but we should only list the differences, not all the items! Last time I checked, it was :
ALL victories enabled
Blind Research ON
No Survey ON (map not visible)
everything else OFF
That's are the defaults.
Many choices tho are a double negative, so
NoScattering OFF means pods Yes
OTOH LookFirst OFF can be read as Start with a Base (this last one really DNA to CMN accelrated PBEMs).
In our (darn! YOUR) case the only one to state is Blind OFF. And for sure you do have to describe planetology, although you may assume average where not stated.
After all, I was so sad I had to give you way in leading the factions I nurtured and tended to in their first years!
MariOne
cousLee posted 05-03-99 06:50 AM ET
we can use MoSe game for the next one (otherwise we will all be PB'd)
I am not disappointed I am not in your game, The are many PBEMs to participate in.
Aredhran posted 05-03-99 07:50 AM ET
There, there, MoSe, don't you cry now... You're a big boy, and boys don't cry.
Your Challenge is not broken. People don't hate you. I'm sure you'll find dozens of them more than willing to play your game
(Hey I want to... that's one !)
Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-03-99 08:46 AM ET
oops, i got confused about the players list !
my bad
Anyhoo, this one is
-Goob - treehuggers
-Aredhran - borg
-CousLee - biblethumping b**
-Jamiam - whining wimps (PK)
The Goobmeister just received his turn
important P.S.: I'd absolutely *LOVE* to join the next challenge !
MoSe, bring it on :-)
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 10:27 AM ET
WHAAAAAAH, now I have to wait....
Over the weekend I was thinking, I really shouldn't join anymore PBEM games for a while, you know let these get going and all.
But now faced with more opportunities my whole body is shaking and I want to scream "Sign ME UP Baby..." (people would look at me more wierdly than they already do though...)
I am SMACaddicted, I do not want to be saved (thank you True Believers for offering, but I'll have to kill you if you come any closer with that lazy eyed look.)
MoSe if you need players let me know. I will play baby.
What happened to Darkstar? Did Alabama fall off the face of the earth? A fervent dream of many Georgians...
Oh by the way, I am going to ask this elsewhere as well but does anyone know how badly it sucks (I am assuming is sucks at least a little, to try and play "live" MP on AOL? Since I am in the May Madness tournament I should find out I guess.
Goob
Waiting breathlessly to hear from you all.
Aredhran posted 05-03-99 10:39 AM ET
MoSe,
Make sure to include DarkStar in your player list, since he was left out of Keim's... AND LET'S GET STARTED, DAMMIT !
Aredhran
JAMiAM posted 05-03-99 12:10 PM ET
Alright guys, WE'RE ROLLING!!!
A few final questions:
Have any of the human players made contact yet? And, does it matter? Which communication convention are we adopting? "Wild and Wooly", every commlink usable (my preference) or "You didn't trip over me yet so you don't know I exist", only talk to those who you've made physical contact with (I'll grin and bear it.) Does the file have a readily identifiable name? This makes my 4th game that I'm currently involved in and I don't want to accidentely send Goob my other games by mistake. This should only happen when I'm really drunk or losing or both. Did we stay with the preferences as stated by Aredhran in the original posting? Will we be posting progress or propaganda reports anywhere? Goob, ain't you done yet? Anyone care to rejoin the UN and work toward a cooperative settlement of Chiron? Do you know how to keep an idiot in suspense?... Delay his pbem turn!
JAMiAM
...whose never more dangerous to himself and others than when he's w/o coffee, sleep and SMAC. What will *you* do to save the world from this menace?
Aredhran posted 05-03-99 12:15 PM ET
Let's call it Weizenkeim's Challenge... uh, wait, no, that's WC, that won't do... OK, dear CMN, why don't *YOU* pick a name ?
Personally, I'm for "no diplomacy before first contact". Other rules, see "CMN HEADLINE NEWS", there's a few posts about Challenge Rules that I made for the Original Challenge. If you agree, let's use that.
I'm definitely in favor of a thread for tales, and another one to post turns. I'll create them if you want.
Aredhran
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 12:17 PM ET
JAMiAM, you have about 5.5 hours till I pass the turn to Aredhran. I vote we call the save file Meister<year>.sav and just keep it that way. Aredhran are you going to be ready at 11:00 pm your time for your turn? Are you GMT +1?
I am leaving work early to get home to play this.
Goob
Shh don't tell my boss
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 12:27 PM ET
Let's go with no "diplomacy" but emails and such to propaganise and BS and other fun things are of course OK.
Yes I feel the SMAC flu coming on strong here, I don't know how much longer I will be able to stay at work. The fever is rising.
Goob
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-03-99 12:53 PM ET
the way i handled diplomacy:
-next neighbours traded tech and made treaties
-factions further apart are in truce
-some Commlink frequencies were traded,
-after contact "truces" were established to indicate comntact was made
-Believers, be advised: some factions have an old copy of your maps. You were just to desperate to get *any* tech at all in the beginning. Now you are rolling, of course
-no other maps were traded
imho the best method to handle diplomacy is to ignore the human factions whose commlink frequencies you don't have yet.
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-03-99 01:04 PM ET
/christening sequence on
from now on my challenge will be known as "Weizenxxxx"
Weizen stands for a Bavarian beer specialty, (in the best best Homer Simpson voice: hmmmm, Beeer), the xxxx for the year played.
/ex christening sequence
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 01:06 PM ET
Cool, but no hefeweizen?
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-03-99 01:17 PM ET
hey Goob !
it's the same thing really,
and now say "Hefeweizen"
say it lodly and proudly
HEFEWEIZEN
tomorrow we will practice the German word for matches (little wooden sticks with Sulfur heads). That's a tough one >;-)

(Weizenkeim, shaking his head, Americans, tss !
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 01:25 PM ET
Did something just fly straight over my head?
JAMiAM posted 05-03-99 01:40 PM ET
Meister Weizenkeim,
So, if I see a truce listed on the commlink popup next to a faction, human or otherwise, I have made a "legal" contact with that faction and can conduct normal diplomacy with them?
JAMiAM
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-03-99 01:59 PM ET
-JAMiAM: yes, that's the intention. Of course its your game now and you can conduct diplomacy however you want. Just thought it makes sense the way i handled it to date.
-Goob: couldn't resist: you should hear me struggle with those bloody "v"s and "w"s .....
vat's up, buddy :-)
JAMiAM posted 05-03-99 02:49 PM ET
Meister Weizenkeim,
Yes, it's our game now. But you are the God who gave us life. Sure, you can argue that you also gave us free will...wait a minute... if I've got so much free will, why do I *have to* play SMAC? Why can't I leave the forums for more than 30 minutes at a time? Why am I *still* talking and not playing? Gooooooob, ain't you feeling a little woozy? I think you should go home.
JAMiAM
...still getting into trouble after all these years.
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 03:02 PM ET
Oh, I'm feeling woozy alright, but I still need to "play the situation right."
I've already skipped my lunch, I don't need to eat now because I will SMAC later. But that should get me out of here a little extra early.
JAMuAM, maybe we should look at having a west coast pbem to keep everything in a time zone and we may be able to rack up a few turns per night? I don't know that may be the hunger talking. Physical hunger or SMAC hunger you may be wondering.
I say there is only one hunger...
Goob
JAMiAM posted 05-03-99 03:58 PM ET
Goob,
C'mon now, even MoSe has better grammar than you. It's JAMuARE if you're speaking, JAMiAM if I'm speaking.
I know not everyone can have a job like mine. One where you can spend most of the day browsing the web, posting in forums, playing computer games and reading the newspaper, like I do. Not that I'm rubbing it in mind you. Well...maybe a little. Then again, you'd get your revenge if we ever stood next to each other the the bank teller's line to cash our checks. You can't have everything.
If you're up for a west coast game (2-player), I can squeeze in another. Heck, if we're really brave, we might see if AOL will let us play in "real-time." I don't expect that it will, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
JAMiAM
Goobmeister posted 05-03-99 06:19 PM ET
I am about to try a real time game with someone in Seattle, so I'll see.
I thought about switching it to JAMuAR, but figured that JAMuAM still had the right ring to it.
Weizen turn has been sent to Aredhran.
Goob
cousLee posted 05-04-99 03:58 PM ET
CMN Wizemeister
does this Challange have the standard SMAC play order? Please post the correct order if not. thx.
(I send the turn to JAMheWAS, hope this is correct)
Goobmeister posted 05-04-99 04:02 PM ET
cousLee from what I can tell the order is normal, but I know nothing that you don't know.
Goob
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-04-99 04:17 PM ET
should be normal unless i goofed it up badly.

Aredhran posted 05-04-99 06:42 PM ET
I have created a thread on the Apolyton forums to post WeizenXXXX turns... Please use it !
Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim posted 05-04-99 07:57 PM ET
I just read a copy a Aredhran's guideline to CMN - Smacin.
If you don't know that we are talking about drop me, or the man himself (Aredhran, of course ) a line to get a copy.
Judging from the posts of all parties involved in "Weizen" i foresee no problems whatsoever.
Knowing that A. follows this thread: That about some rules concerning diplomacy in and outside the game ?
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Author	Topic: CMN wanted !
Aredhran	posted 04-30-99 10:05 AM ET I would like to start a new PBEM game, and I'm looking for a fellow CMN to create it and play the first 30 turns for us. No moderating/narrating necessary, we only want a neutral, sensible accelerated start. Game rules: Thinker, Large map, dense clouds, average life & erosion, all victories allowed, no spoils, blind off. No SPs built. Players will be: GoobMeister ([email protected]), Darkstar ([email protected]), JAMiAM ([email protected]) and myself ([email protected]). Guys, please post your faction preferences here. Send me a note if you'd like to do this for us, and/or if you have any questions. Thanks in advance for your help. Aredhran PS: Don't bother applying to be a part of it, as all human slots are already filled. If you still want to play in a game with me or the others, feel free to send me an e-mail.
Aredhran	posted 04-30-99 10:08 AM ET Darkstar, Above are the settings for the game I originally wanted to play. I got your message where you say you'd rather play a faster game on a smaller map. If our CMN-to-be (or someone else !) agrees to do it, while not take the same players and start another PBEM game with, the same parameters (see above), except maybe aggressive AI ? What do you think ? Aredhran
Goobmeister	posted 04-30-99 10:23 AM ET Aredhran, you beat me to it. (of course I would have posted for heavy life and weak erosion ) Faction preferences: Gaians,Spartans,Peacekeepers I am all for a large game or a small game or both. If we play extra games then we could accept some other players possibly. The thing to remeber after watching/playing in a few games now is we have to set up a specific system for naming save files, filing them and sending them properly. With multiple games with common players it can get confusing quickly. Goob
JAMiAM	posted 04-30-99 07:00 PM ET Hey Guys, As I mentioned before, I'll take my pick of whoever is leftover. Let's get it going! If push comes to shove, rather than fart around waiting for someone to create a game for us, let's start from 2101. I'd like to finish before we get there and start before we leave. JAMiAM
Glak	posted 04-30-99 08:02 PM ET whoa, you guys are playing large map? Ok, so.... you are planning of a three year game I guess. Goob: what is this about naming files? You don't need a system at all. In fact I think it just makes things harder on people. In a PBEM that I have been playing for however long patch 3 has been out we have used the same file name the whole game. It is much simpler. You just download the file to your computer, take your turn, save over the old file and send. We don't bother zipping it up either (though I hear it takes a few minutes for the two modem guys to dl, but then again taking the time to zip and unzip takes about that long). We have had few problems but that is firaxis's fault for that save bug. I can see no advantage to a naming system, all it would do is fill your computer up with old saves.
Glak	posted 04-30-99 08:03 PM ET oh and I would volunteer but I don't think that I am qualified enough, especially since I don't know the tech tree. If you really need someone I could do it but don't expect good results.
tfs99	posted 04-30-99 08:30 PM ET >>>>>>> Glak (re: ZIPping .SAV files) With WinZip (or something like it), it should take all of five seconds to zip the file. Right drag, release, pick Add to Zip with same name and BOOM -- you have your zip. Right click again and pick send to mail recipient and you are on your way. I do agree that the complex naming can be a hassle. I too find that a unique name for each game suffices. I am in a crabby mood so please forgive me if I sound nasty with the following: Clogging up the internet with unnecessary data traffic is irresponsible. Probably not as bad as, but certainly akin to, littering. SMAC On ... Ted S.
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 04-30-99 09:09 PM ET i'll do it for you. Starting ... now ! With the settings of the original thread. How many turns do you want to have played ? [email protected]
Goobmeister	posted 05-01-99 02:50 AM ET I vote for 50 to 60 turns, whatever looks good. 4 human factions and I am fine with a standard map but I will defer to the others. Goob
Aredhran	posted 05-01-99 11:23 AM ET Hey Goob, see ? There's another Meister out there Ok, Mr Meister II, your offer is accepted. I would go for about 50 years as well. I'd go for the Hive (never tried them MP) or Spartans but not Morgan or the Gaians. Since quite a few people offered to CMN for us (cousLee, December Man), I think there's potential for at least another game, so Darkstar we could have a "small map" one going on as well with the same players and the same rules (and possibly the same factions, to see the impact of the map), what do you think ? Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-01-99 11:53 AM ET yeah, the Meisters rule :-) ! looks like Goobmeister is Gaia and Aredhran the Hive. We should discuss the remaining factions via regular email. I would also suggest to pursue a SP or two per faction. A game w/o a single SP in 2150 seems a bit forced to me. Maybe each player could mail me his 2 or 3 SP he would absolutely build with his faction. happy smacin !
JAMiAM	posted 05-01-99 01:57 PM ET Okay guys we got us a sucker, err...brave volunteer, to set us up a game. Many thanks to the right honorable Meister Weizenkeim. Since Darkstar has not yet responded to this thread and stated his preference for faction choice, I'll give mine in descending order: PK, UoP, Morgan, Spartans, Believers. I assume we are still playing standard or larger map with the preferences stated at the top of the thread. If anything changes, I can live with (or die with ) just about anything. Just post a complete set of rules used so that we all know exactly what we're playing. JAMiAM the Pushy Peacekeeper p.s. I thought I said that I wanted to play. Are we still only talking about this?
cousLee	posted 05-02-99 04:41 AM ET Aredhran, thrice I have had my email returned with fatal errors. The usa.net address has something worng with it. this has been happening over a period of about 3 days.
Aredhran	posted 05-02-99 03:19 PM ET cousLee: I know, usa.net is f***ed up. Their service sucks, and now they want to charge for it, so I'm gonna change my e-mail address very soon. In the meanwhile, try sending messages directly to my work e-mail [email protected] Sorry about that. Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-02-99 07:52 PM ET the game is ready to be sent to Goob. as soon as CousLee picks his faction. Starting year is 2150, everyone is in pretty good shape. Every faction is approx. halfway through a SP gonna be fun !
cousLee	posted 05-03-99 02:57 AM ET OH, I didn't know I was included in this one. ermm, Believers or Whatever. Just not Lal. (I would have the PB myself)
Aredhran	posted 05-03-99 04:31 AM ET cous: Originally, you were not (maybe MW - hehehe, same initials as Mind Worm - got confused), Darkstar was our 4th player. But it does not really matter, as long as the game starts ! We can always get another one going... Actually, if your CMN offers still stands, you could prepare another game with the same parameters (except map size: make it Small) Aredhran
Aredhran	posted 05-03-99 04:36 AM ET To all the people who offered their assistance to get our game started: cousLee December Man Glak Meister Weizenkeim micje THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Meister Weizenkeim "got it" because it was the first one to give me an answer... I must say, I'm amazed that so many people offered their help so that fellow gamers could have some fun. It's really great to be part of the "SMAC brotherhood" ! Thanks again. Aredhran
MoSe	posted 05-03-99 06:12 AM ET HOLY S***IT! Don't you all have something better to do on weekends than making scenarios? I stayed up till 4AM last night to crank out that possible start for you PBEM!!! It took me some time to figure out. Twice it wiped out all when I just asked to reset factions (of course, twice coz the 1st time I didn't realize what thet reason was)! I used the initial requests, large planet, played the 7 factions and saved a scenario at the end of 2129 and a .SAV at the beginnig of 2130. I can imagine how to kick it, but some advice is welcome on the correct procedure to wimp out the AI factions and send the game to the 1st player. WHO'S GONNA BENEFIT FROM MY SMAC COMMITMENT NOW!!!? Meister WeizenKeim (Keim??? was meint es?), don't worry I don't really bear resentment, good job, and I'm offline in the weekend. And I answer to you: AAAALLLLLLL!!!!! I'm an SP monger. Of course I'd give priorities, but usually I adapt them to the actual situation. I guess it would be another hard task for a Creator to pretend not to know the real advancement of the several SPs in the race for them. JAMuARE: I usually forget too which the actual defaults are, but we should only list the differences, not all the items! Last time I checked, it was : ALL victories enabled Blind Research ON No Survey ON (map not visible) everything else OFF That's are the defaults. Many choices tho are a double negative, so NoScattering OFF means pods Yes OTOH LookFirst OFF can be read as Start with a Base (this last one really DNA to CMN accelrated PBEMs). In our (darn! YOUR) case the only one to state is Blind OFF. And for sure you do have to describe planetology, although you may assume average where not stated. After all, I was so sad I had to give you way in leading the factions I nurtured and tended to in their first years! MariOne
cousLee	posted 05-03-99 06:50 AM ET we can use MoSe game for the next one (otherwise we will all be PB'd) I am not disappointed I am not in your game, The are many PBEMs to participate in.
Aredhran	posted 05-03-99 07:50 AM ET There, there, MoSe, don't you cry now... You're a big boy, and boys don't cry. Your Challenge is not broken. People don't hate you. I'm sure you'll find dozens of them more than willing to play your game (Hey I want to... that's one !) Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-03-99 08:46 AM ET oops, i got confused about the players list ! my bad Anyhoo, this one is -Goob - treehuggers -Aredhran - borg -CousLee - biblethumping b** -Jamiam - whining wimps (PK) The Goobmeister just received his turn important P.S.: I'd absolutely LOVE to join the next challenge ! MoSe, bring it on :-)
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 10:27 AM ET WHAAAAAAH, now I have to wait.... Over the weekend I was thinking, I really shouldn't join anymore PBEM games for a while, you know let these get going and all. But now faced with more opportunities my whole body is shaking and I want to scream "Sign ME UP Baby..." (people would look at me more wierdly than they already do though...) I am SMACaddicted, I do not want to be saved (thank you True Believers for offering, but I'll have to kill you if you come any closer with that lazy eyed look.) MoSe if you need players let me know. I will play baby. What happened to Darkstar? Did Alabama fall off the face of the earth? A fervent dream of many Georgians... Oh by the way, I am going to ask this elsewhere as well but does anyone know how badly it sucks (I am assuming is sucks at least a little, to try and play "live" MP on AOL? Since I am in the May Madness tournament I should find out I guess. Goob Waiting breathlessly to hear from you all.
Aredhran	posted 05-03-99 10:39 AM ET MoSe, Make sure to include DarkStar in your player list, since he was left out of Keim's... AND LET'S GET STARTED, DAMMIT ! Aredhran
JAMiAM	posted 05-03-99 12:10 PM ET Alright guys, WE'RE ROLLING!!! A few final questions: Have any of the human players made contact yet? And, does it matter? Which communication convention are we adopting? "Wild and Wooly", every commlink usable (my preference) or "You didn't trip over me yet so you don't know I exist", only talk to those who you've made physical contact with (I'll grin and bear it.) Does the file have a readily identifiable name? This makes my 4th game that I'm currently involved in and I don't want to accidentely send Goob my other games by mistake. This should only happen when I'm really drunk or losing or both. Did we stay with the preferences as stated by Aredhran in the original posting? Will we be posting progress or propaganda reports anywhere? Goob, ain't you done yet? Anyone care to rejoin the UN and work toward a cooperative settlement of Chiron? Do you know how to keep an idiot in suspense?... Delay his pbem turn! JAMiAM ...whose never more dangerous to himself and others than when he's w/o coffee, sleep and SMAC. What will you do to save the world from this menace?
Aredhran	posted 05-03-99 12:15 PM ET Let's call it Weizenkeim's Challenge... uh, wait, no, that's WC, that won't do... OK, dear CMN, why don't YOU pick a name ? Personally, I'm for "no diplomacy before first contact". Other rules, see "CMN HEADLINE NEWS", there's a few posts about Challenge Rules that I made for the Original Challenge. If you agree, let's use that. I'm definitely in favor of a thread for tales, and another one to post turns. I'll create them if you want. Aredhran
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 12:17 PM ET JAMiAM, you have about 5.5 hours till I pass the turn to Aredhran. I vote we call the save file Meister<year>.sav and just keep it that way. Aredhran are you going to be ready at 11:00 pm your time for your turn? Are you GMT +1? I am leaving work early to get home to play this. Goob Shh don't tell my boss
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 12:27 PM ET Let's go with no "diplomacy" but emails and such to propaganise and BS and other fun things are of course OK. Yes I feel the SMAC flu coming on strong here, I don't know how much longer I will be able to stay at work. The fever is rising. Goob
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-03-99 12:53 PM ET the way i handled diplomacy: -next neighbours traded tech and made treaties -factions further apart are in truce -some Commlink frequencies were traded, -after contact "truces" were established to indicate comntact was made -Believers, be advised: some factions have an old copy of your maps. You were just to desperate to get any tech at all in the beginning. Now you are rolling, of course -no other maps were traded imho the best method to handle diplomacy is to ignore the human factions whose commlink frequencies you don't have yet.
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-03-99 01:04 PM ET /christening sequence on from now on my challenge will be known as "Weizenxxxx" Weizen stands for a Bavarian beer specialty, (in the best best Homer Simpson voice: hmmmm, Beeer), the xxxx for the year played. /ex christening sequence
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 01:06 PM ET Cool, but no hefeweizen?
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-03-99 01:17 PM ET hey Goob ! it's the same thing really, and now say "Hefeweizen" say it lodly and proudly HEFEWEIZEN tomorrow we will practice the German word for matches (little wooden sticks with Sulfur heads). That's a tough one >;-) (Weizenkeim, shaking his head, Americans, tss !
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 01:25 PM ET Did something just fly straight over my head?
JAMiAM	posted 05-03-99 01:40 PM ET Meister Weizenkeim, So, if I see a truce listed on the commlink popup next to a faction, human or otherwise, I have made a "legal" contact with that faction and can conduct normal diplomacy with them? JAMiAM
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-03-99 01:59 PM ET -JAMiAM: yes, that's the intention. Of course its your game now and you can conduct diplomacy however you want. Just thought it makes sense the way i handled it to date. -Goob: couldn't resist: you should hear me struggle with those bloody "v"s and "w"s ..... vat's up, buddy :-)
JAMiAM	posted 05-03-99 02:49 PM ET Meister Weizenkeim, Yes, it's our game now. But you are the God who gave us life. Sure, you can argue that you also gave us free will...wait a minute... if I've got so much free will, why do I have to play SMAC? Why can't I leave the forums for more than 30 minutes at a time? Why am I still talking and not playing? Gooooooob, ain't you feeling a little woozy? I think you should go home. JAMiAM ...still getting into trouble after all these years.
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 03:02 PM ET Oh, I'm feeling woozy alright, but I still need to "play the situation right." I've already skipped my lunch, I don't need to eat now because I will SMAC later. But that should get me out of here a little extra early. JAMuAM, maybe we should look at having a west coast pbem to keep everything in a time zone and we may be able to rack up a few turns per night? I don't know that may be the hunger talking. Physical hunger or SMAC hunger you may be wondering. I say there is only one hunger... Goob
JAMiAM	posted 05-03-99 03:58 PM ET Goob, C'mon now, even MoSe has better grammar than you. It's JAMuARE if you're speaking, JAMiAM if I'm speaking. I know not everyone can have a job like mine. One where you can spend most of the day browsing the web, posting in forums, playing computer games and reading the newspaper, like I do. Not that I'm rubbing it in mind you. Well...maybe a little. Then again, you'd get your revenge if we ever stood next to each other the the bank teller's line to cash our checks. You can't have everything. If you're up for a west coast game (2-player), I can squeeze in another. Heck, if we're really brave, we might see if AOL will let us play in "real-time." I don't expect that it will, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. JAMiAM
Goobmeister	posted 05-03-99 06:19 PM ET I am about to try a real time game with someone in Seattle, so I'll see. I thought about switching it to JAMuAR, but figured that JAMuAM still had the right ring to it. Weizen turn has been sent to Aredhran. Goob
cousLee	posted 05-04-99 03:58 PM ET CMN Wizemeister does this Challange have the standard SMAC play order? Please post the correct order if not. thx. (I send the turn to JAMheWAS, hope this is correct)
Goobmeister	posted 05-04-99 04:02 PM ET cousLee from what I can tell the order is normal, but I know nothing that you don't know. Goob
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-04-99 04:17 PM ET should be normal unless i goofed it up badly.
Aredhran	posted 05-04-99 06:42 PM ET I have created a thread on the Apolyton forums to post WeizenXXXX turns... Please use it ! Aredhran
Meister Weizenkeim	posted 05-04-99 07:57 PM ET I just read a copy a Aredhran's guideline to CMN - Smacin. If you don't know that we are talking about drop me, or the man himself (Aredhran, of course ) a line to get a copy. Judging from the posts of all parties involved in "Weizen" i foresee no problems whatsoever. Knowing that A. follows this thread: That about some rules concerning diplomacy in and outside the game ?