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Lanke posted 04-22-99 08:57 PM ET
Here we go again...
;
; Sid Meier's ALPHA CENTAURI
;
; FACTION FILE: Scout Snipers
;
; Made with ACEdit (c)1999 ANX at http://www.acedit.8m.com
;
; For use this Faction file select load from
; faction select in the game and write... Snipers
;
#SNIPERS
Scout Snipers, The Marksman, Snipers, M, 2, Willowdale, M, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0,
TECH, 1, SOCIAL, +MORALE, SOCIAL, -POLICE, SOCIAL, --GROWTH, UNIT, 11, FANATIC, 0, IMMUNITY, SUPPORT
Politics, Democratic, EFFIC
none, none, nil
Sniper, Sniper
Praith, Fulwright, Praith Barracks
Corporal, humbling, stealthy, efficient, inaccurate,
Blind FNG
eliminate all our enemies
neutralize all opposition
picking us off one by one
picking all of us one by one
systematically eliminate any and all oppposition
filling out ill-gotten kill sheets
filling out ill-gotten kill sheets
ignoring your consience
M-14s, M2
tactical manuvers, M2
sniping efforts, M2
stocking charge, M1
neutralizing all enemies
fire squads
the sniper's code
#BASES
Corporal's Quarters
Qualifying Range
EM Club
Armoury
Medevac Central
Alpha Barracks
Beta Barracks
Charlie Barracks
Delta Barracks
Hill 65
Hill 32
Corpsman Barracks
Deployment Office
Mess Hall
Officer's Mess
Strategies & Tactics
Pad 103
Pad 18
Tower 7
Tower 29
#END
#WATERBASES
St. Lucia
Potomac
Holdensburg
Gratoley
SEAL Deploy 7
Delita
#END
#BLURB
There is a sign outside of a sniper school in Virginia -
^"In Vietnam, the average number of M-16 rounds expended per kill was 50,000. For snipers, it was 1.3 rounds. That's 2,300 dollars vs. 27 cents"
^
^J.T. Ward
^"Dear Mom: A Sniper's Vietnam"
#DATALINKS1
^LEADER: {Corporal Marshall Willowdale}
^BACKGROUND: {Led US sniper regiments in Zanzibar Conflict, highest qualification score ever}
^AGENDA: {Elimination of all opposition}
^TECH: {1 Free tech}
^
#DATALINKS2
^+1 MORALE: {Snipers treat each other like families}
^-2 GROWTH: {Snipers are few and far between}
^-1 POLICE: {Too busy out on hunter-kills}
^+25% attack: {Extremely well trained}
^{Immunity to negative support}
#FACTIONTRUCE
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"There's no reason for us to waste lives and supplies in fruitless attempts to cripple each other, when we could sign a treaty and focus our efforts elsewhere. What do you say?"
"Good point. Where do I sign?"
"No, you snipers can't be trusted."
#FACTIONTREATY
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"$TITLE0 $NAME1, even the best snipers need cover support. Why don't we become Pact Brothers, so we can combine our strengths?"
"Agreed, $NAME3. Cover us - we're going in."
"Sorry, but all I can envision is bullets in my men's backs."

# ; This line must remain at end of file
Thoughts, advice, etc. welcome.
Ghost posted 04-23-99 06:15 PM ET
I would say they are quite balanced, perhaps a little underpowered. Thematically, tho, they are a little sketchy. I understand the need for a concise and coherent story, but a whole society of snipers? Thats a little weird. Snipers are a military elite, and as such a sniper society is even more screwed up than a "normal" military society (Spartans, former USSR, in some ways United States). A country needs regular troops to hold the line, fight in trenches, etc, or else your cities will be destroyed, and then you will have an bunch of assassins with no homes and nowhere to get more bullets. But it also needs regular people doing other things... a whole society of snipers would have no research, no industry, etc.
If you really want to make a society which is wholly dedicated to being ruthless killers but does not overlap with the military model as expressed by the Spartans, model it after the NRA.
Tech: Applied Physics, Doctrine Mobility
+1 Econ (guns are good business)
+2 Growth (many are fruitful and multiply)
+2 Morale (unable to be swayed from their cause by anything... "you will take my gun from me when you pry it from my cold dead fingers")
+3 Support (many NRA households have more guns than people)
+25% attack bonus (shooting things is fun)
-5 Research (inability to grasp simple logical concepts dramatically limits research opportunities)
-1 Industry (much potential production wasted on producing redundant firearms)
-1 Planet (traditional Christian "dominion over animals")
--Ghost, who only wishes it was a joke
mrdeath posted 04-24-99 12:33 PM ET
Hey i have to take exception to the -5 research for the NRA.. Historically, arms research has led to major scientific breakthru's in other , more civilan areas.. just look at the rise of commercial sattelites in the 1960's and the better metalworking technologies created by the arms industry of the 1850's. so perhaps you should modify that one line to
++research{arms research create's many civilain spinoffs}
Ghost posted 04-24-99 03:42 PM ET
HAH!
The NRA is not dedicated to arms research. They are dedicated to having nice big shiny guns, which is not the same thing. They didn't have anything to do with airplanes (used in WWI as recon, then popularized), nuclear power (Manhattan project) and the million spin-offs from that into the new physics. The NRA simply keeps putting more deadly, concealable, and portable firearms into the publics hands. I suppose blaming all -5 research on the fact that the NRA is a bunch of yokels who can't see that guns (well, actually, bullets) do kill people, and they cause people who would otherwise go home and cool off to kill instead; perhaps a portion of the research penalty would be from the killing of important scientists and doctors who pissed off the wrong person. I can bring in statistics if I have to; I know a lot about this topic, and you are not going to out argue me on this one. It's not really on topic, anyway. I just thought I would toss out the hook and see if I could get someone to bite within days after the Colorado killings. I would say that the NRA should be ashamed, but I would be wasting my breath.
On the "arms development" line you pulled out... UoP gets ++, representing their total commitment to knowledge, over and above ethical standards, riches, belief, anything. Spartans get no bonus, no penalty; they represent the society most likely to implement a wide band arms development policy, and all it's subsequent spinoffs. The NRA would get -5, representing their aforementioned logical shortcomings, the increased firearm mortality for progressive scientists who are saying things concervatives don't like, and their general lack of interest in the sciences as unmanly, as well as their many developments which result in louder, shinier, and snappier looking guns, which have no practical advantage over previous models.
On the bright side, -5 is as low as research can go, so the NRA could play Fundamentalist essentially for free. I probably should have prohibited Knowledge, but it doesn't matter; you'd be a fool to neg your only research option of probe.
--Ghost
Lanke posted 04-24-99 08:37 PM ET
Okay, to justify this faction, in any of the more recent wars (Korea, Vietnam), snipers were dearly needed by every regiment. Why? They have free-fire capabilities. Unlike what Ghost said, they DON'T need grunts to support them (if you knew what is a hunter-kill is, then you'd understand). The don't follow protocol, and can get away with ignoring certain orders, BUT they are still very responsible. They're amazing at base defense. Basically, they're the evolved version of grunts. The NRA idea is a cool one, faction wise. I've always wanted to make a complete "**** research, we'll steal it" faction, but, well, I've got lots else to do. Then again, isn't that just like the Believers are supposed to be played? Oh well.
I'm done.
Ghost posted 04-24-99 09:16 PM ET
Snipers were effective in Korea and Vietnam because the battles were fought on enemy soil. But we still needed troops of the line to repulse heavy attacks on a base (that there were very few of these is a testament to the power of line troops)... there's no point in expending the resources necessary to train someone to have one shot one kill accuracy when they are going to be manning an M-60 machinegun, which pretty much guarantees that you won't.
In a battle like Korean and Vietnam, where you aren't sure who exactly you need to hit, where they are, and how to separate them from the good guys, then guerilla and sniper tactics are viable. In SMAC, you know where the enemy cities are, and sniper units are not effective in city defense against attacking tanks or air power. An entire military of snipers is simply not a viable option when a more conventional military force can use line tactics.
As an aside, SMAC wars tend to be quite bloody, only ending with the total destruction of one side or the other, with little fear of repercussion. The United States could not use it's "Planet Buster" ICBMs in Vietnam, nor could they use their conventional forces to strike Northern Vietnam, for political reasons... thus the use and success of infantry and recon over air power and armour.
--Ghost
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Lanke	posted 04-22-99 08:57 PM ET Here we go again... ; ; Sid Meier's ALPHA CENTAURI ; ; FACTION FILE: Scout Snipers ; ; Made with ACEdit (c)1999 ANX at http://www.acedit.8m.com ; ; For use this Faction file select load from ; faction select in the game and write... Snipers ; #SNIPERS Scout Snipers, The Marksman, Snipers, M, 2, Willowdale, M, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, TECH, 1, SOCIAL, +MORALE, SOCIAL, -POLICE, SOCIAL, --GROWTH, UNIT, 11, FANATIC, 0, IMMUNITY, SUPPORT Politics, Democratic, EFFIC none, none, nil Sniper, Sniper Praith, Fulwright, Praith Barracks Corporal, humbling, stealthy, efficient, inaccurate, Blind FNG eliminate all our enemies neutralize all opposition picking us off one by one picking all of us one by one systematically eliminate any and all oppposition filling out ill-gotten kill sheets filling out ill-gotten kill sheets ignoring your consience M-14s, M2 tactical manuvers, M2 sniping efforts, M2 stocking charge, M1 neutralizing all enemies fire squads the sniper's code #BASES Corporal's Quarters Qualifying Range EM Club Armoury Medevac Central Alpha Barracks Beta Barracks Charlie Barracks Delta Barracks Hill 65 Hill 32 Corpsman Barracks Deployment Office Mess Hall Officer's Mess Strategies & Tactics Pad 103 Pad 18 Tower 7 Tower 29 #END #WATERBASES St. Lucia Potomac Holdensburg Gratoley SEAL Deploy 7 Delita #END #BLURB There is a sign outside of a sniper school in Virginia - ^"In Vietnam, the average number of M-16 rounds expended per kill was 50,000. For snipers, it was 1.3 rounds. That's 2,300 dollars vs. 27 cents" ^ ^J.T. Ward ^"Dear Mom: A Sniper's Vietnam" #DATALINKS1 ^LEADER: {Corporal Marshall Willowdale} ^BACKGROUND: {Led US sniper regiments in Zanzibar Conflict, highest qualification score ever} ^AGENDA: {Elimination of all opposition} ^TECH: {1 Free tech} ^ #DATALINKS2 ^+1 MORALE: {Snipers treat each other like families} ^-2 GROWTH: {Snipers are few and far between} ^-1 POLICE: {Too busy out on hunter-kills} ^+25% attack: {Extremely well trained} ^{Immunity to negative support} #FACTIONTRUCE #xs 440 #caption $CAPTION7 "There's no reason for us to waste lives and supplies in fruitless attempts to cripple each other, when we could sign a treaty and focus our efforts elsewhere. What do you say?" "Good point. Where do I sign?" "No, you snipers can't be trusted." #FACTIONTREATY #xs 440 #caption $CAPTION7 "$TITLE0 $NAME1, even the best snipers need cover support. Why don't we become Pact Brothers, so we can combine our strengths?" "Agreed, $NAME3. Cover us - we're going in." "Sorry, but all I can envision is bullets in my men's backs." # ; This line must remain at end of file Thoughts, advice, etc. welcome.
Ghost	posted 04-23-99 06:15 PM ET I would say they are quite balanced, perhaps a little underpowered. Thematically, tho, they are a little sketchy. I understand the need for a concise and coherent story, but a whole society of snipers? Thats a little weird. Snipers are a military elite, and as such a sniper society is even more screwed up than a "normal" military society (Spartans, former USSR, in some ways United States). A country needs regular troops to hold the line, fight in trenches, etc, or else your cities will be destroyed, and then you will have an bunch of assassins with no homes and nowhere to get more bullets. But it also needs regular people doing other things... a whole society of snipers would have no research, no industry, etc. If you really want to make a society which is wholly dedicated to being ruthless killers but does not overlap with the military model as expressed by the Spartans, model it after the NRA. Tech: Applied Physics, Doctrine Mobility +1 Econ (guns are good business) +2 Growth (many are fruitful and multiply) +2 Morale (unable to be swayed from their cause by anything... "you will take my gun from me when you pry it from my cold dead fingers") +3 Support (many NRA households have more guns than people) +25% attack bonus (shooting things is fun) -5 Research (inability to grasp simple logical concepts dramatically limits research opportunities) -1 Industry (much potential production wasted on producing redundant firearms) -1 Planet (traditional Christian "dominion over animals") --Ghost, who only wishes it was a joke
mrdeath	posted 04-24-99 12:33 PM ET Hey i have to take exception to the -5 research for the NRA.. Historically, arms research has led to major scientific breakthru's in other , more civilan areas.. just look at the rise of commercial sattelites in the 1960's and the better metalworking technologies created by the arms industry of the 1850's. so perhaps you should modify that one line to ++research{arms research create's many civilain spinoffs}
Ghost	posted 04-24-99 03:42 PM ET HAH! The NRA is not dedicated to arms research. They are dedicated to having nice big shiny guns, which is not the same thing. They didn't have anything to do with airplanes (used in WWI as recon, then popularized), nuclear power (Manhattan project) and the million spin-offs from that into the new physics. The NRA simply keeps putting more deadly, concealable, and portable firearms into the publics hands. I suppose blaming all -5 research on the fact that the NRA is a bunch of yokels who can't see that guns (well, actually, bullets) do kill people, and they cause people who would otherwise go home and cool off to kill instead; perhaps a portion of the research penalty would be from the killing of important scientists and doctors who pissed off the wrong person. I can bring in statistics if I have to; I know a lot about this topic, and you are not going to out argue me on this one. It's not really on topic, anyway. I just thought I would toss out the hook and see if I could get someone to bite within days after the Colorado killings. I would say that the NRA should be ashamed, but I would be wasting my breath. On the "arms development" line you pulled out... UoP gets ++, representing their total commitment to knowledge, over and above ethical standards, riches, belief, anything. Spartans get no bonus, no penalty; they represent the society most likely to implement a wide band arms development policy, and all it's subsequent spinoffs. The NRA would get -5, representing their aforementioned logical shortcomings, the increased firearm mortality for progressive scientists who are saying things concervatives don't like, and their general lack of interest in the sciences as unmanly, as well as their many developments which result in louder, shinier, and snappier looking guns, which have no practical advantage over previous models. On the bright side, -5 is as low as research can go, so the NRA could play Fundamentalist essentially for free. I probably should have prohibited Knowledge, but it doesn't matter; you'd be a fool to neg your only research option of probe. --Ghost
Lanke	posted 04-24-99 08:37 PM ET Okay, to justify this faction, in any of the more recent wars (Korea, Vietnam), snipers were dearly needed by every regiment. Why? They have free-fire capabilities. Unlike what Ghost said, they DON'T need grunts to support them (if you knew what is a hunter-kill is, then you'd understand). The don't follow protocol, and can get away with ignoring certain orders, BUT they are still very responsible. They're amazing at base defense. Basically, they're the evolved version of grunts. The NRA idea is a cool one, faction wise. I've always wanted to make a complete "**** research, we'll steal it" faction, but, well, I've got lots else to do. Then again, isn't that just like the Believers are supposed to be played? Oh well. I'm done.
Ghost	posted 04-24-99 09:16 PM ET Snipers were effective in Korea and Vietnam because the battles were fought on enemy soil. But we still needed troops of the line to repulse heavy attacks on a base (that there were very few of these is a testament to the power of line troops)... there's no point in expending the resources necessary to train someone to have one shot one kill accuracy when they are going to be manning an M-60 machinegun, which pretty much guarantees that you won't. In a battle like Korean and Vietnam, where you aren't sure who exactly you need to hit, where they are, and how to separate them from the good guys, then guerilla and sniper tactics are viable. In SMAC, you know where the enemy cities are, and sniper units are not effective in city defense against attacking tanks or air power. An entire military of snipers is simply not a viable option when a more conventional military force can use line tactics. As an aside, SMAC wars tend to be quite bloody, only ending with the total destruction of one side or the other, with little fear of repercussion. The United States could not use it's "Planet Buster" ICBMs in Vietnam, nor could they use their conventional forces to strike Northern Vietnam, for political reasons... thus the use and success of infantry and recon over air power and armour. --Ghost