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Ambassador Collins posted 04-10-99 09:43 PM ET
Wonderful News!
Everyone who has posted recently has joined The BrotherHood! We are still waiting for several others to see what is happening, but we are sure that the will be as excited as we are about this wonderful alliance.
As many of the factions have requested that their government remain independent, I believe that we should use this board as a place to post messages regarding The BrotherHood in order to achieve more perfect communication, as perfect communication can only be achieved through assimilation.
Primarily, I would ask Ambassador Winston what people, if any, he would like to be assimilated. JT 3 has described some of the amazing things that we can do with this technology. If you request, however, all of your people can remain independent and unassimilated.
And Remember:
"Obedience brings victory; and victory is life"

JT 3 posted 04-10-99 09:47 PM ET
This is for Winston and Ecceles.
SEE?!?!? DO YOU SEE NOW?!?! OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE STILL INDEPENDANT!! OUR PEOPLE ARE STILL INDEPENDANT! WE ARE STILL INDEPENDANT! THIS IS NOT SOME TYRANNY OF ASSIMILATING ALL LIFE! THIS IS AN ALLIANCE!
(I am not really mad, it's just fun to write in capital letters)
Speaker Jius posted 04-10-99 10:24 PM ET
(Yes, I know I posted this on another thread, but this is where it ought to go)
SPEAKER JIUS: Ambassador, we have assimilated our population to our own form, to assist in restoring order, and preventing an uprising. We has made an invatation to Karok to convert my peoples to Christianity, however he/she did not respond, and so we had to implant the people. We wish to join you. We will share 50 percent of our ships (25 ships) for this effort. We are ready for transmission of data and conciousness.
God Emperor Eccles V posted 04-11-99 09:17 AM ET
Stop spelling my Name wrong!! Besides its Eccles the Fifth to you.
WE WISHED FOR PEACE WITHOUT ASSIMILATION ALL ALONG! FOR CHRISTS SAKE. WE DO NOT WANT WAR, BUT WE DO NOT WANT COMMUNICATIVE IMPLANTS EITHER.
Our sick are used for their water and their pottasium etc
We can clone all the people we need.

Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 12:20 PM ET
Jius:
Thank you for you offer. We are preparing to recieve your people.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 05:09 PM ET
Our first item of buisness is to elect a chairman. Everyone gets one vote, and you may vote for yourself.
JT 3 posted 04-11-99 05:38 PM ET
I vote for myself.
Collins, I think everyone should get two votes, since everyone should probably vote for himself. If this happens, my second vote is for Collins.
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
Governor Korian posted 04-11-99 05:59 PM ET
I cast my vote for Ambassador Collins.
Governor Korian of the territory of the Federated States of Democracy on Alpha Centarui
Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 06:03 PM ET
JT 3:
I am sorry for any confusion, but only Inner Party members can run for chairman. This includes Korian, myself, and Galen. You however, can still vote.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 06:03 PM ET
JT 3:
I am sorry for any confusion, but only Inner Party members can run for chairman. This includes Korian, myself, and Galen. You however, can still vote.
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:13 PM ET
I do not know why I am an inner party member, I refuse to be assimilated. But if I can vote I vote for Counsel Karok. B/c Karok is stupid and hates you. :P
Director Galen
AqKnow
A FREE Faction
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:14 PM ET
That last post, voting for Karok was a joke.
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:39 PM ET
We now realize the folley we made. We are commencing the (voulentary) assimilation of our people. Approxamatly 1/8 of our people refuse to be assimilated and are joinging their own astroid group. AqKnow casts our vote for Collins and AqKnow.
AqKnow
JT 3 posted 04-11-99 06:41 PM ET
Man.... How _do_ you decide the party members? Anyway, I vote for Collins.
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:44 PM ET
We will present a proposal:
1. All members of the Brotherhood shall be assimilated.
AqKnow
JT 3 posted 04-11-99 06:47 PM ET
I vote NAY. I will probably get an artificial heart, neural amplifiers, and bone reenforcements, but I don't want to be totally assimilated, at least for right now. No offense to those who are.
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:52 PM ET
We conclude that only assimilated factions may rules. As non-assimilated are irrational.
JT 3 posted 04-11-99 06:54 PM ET
Assimilated may rules? What?
Galen posted 04-11-99 06:57 PM ET
excuse our error. May rule. Or only assimilated factions may vote
JT 3 posted 04-11-99 07:00 PM ET
Oh, okay. That's good, because I changed my mind and got assimilated(I am not just a power-hungry person who said he got assimilated just to be able to vote. I said I was assimilated before you said that). I change my vote to YEA. Assimilation helps a lot!
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
Speaker Jius posted 04-11-99 07:23 PM ET
JIUS: We vote for ourselves and Collins. We also vote YEA.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 10:24 PM ET
1.All factions may vote! It is only the inner party members who can run for chairman, however. Also, Assimilation has nothing to do whith being an Inner Party Member.
2. Everyone gets only one vote.
3.I hereby admit JT 3 to the Inner Party.
4. Jius is NOT an Inner Party member.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-11-99 10:27 PM ET
I vote NEA. All factions can chose if they want to be assimilated or not.
In the words of Big Brother:
"Freedom is Paramount!"
Galen posted 04-12-99 01:24 AM ET
That is 1 against, 3 for. We need the rest, IOW, Korian. We note that, barring any members unreported as of yet, the measure will pass. Korian will be assimilated.
Votes for Speaker/Chairunit:
Collins:5
Korian:0
JT:1
Galen:1
Collins is speaker/Chairunit.
AqKnow
Ambassador Collins posted 04-12-99 03:22 PM ET
I propose that in the event of a tie, the chairman has the deciding vote.
Governor Korian posted 04-12-99 05:00 PM ET
Galen, I already am assimilated. I vote YEA.
Spider posted 04-12-99 06:42 PM ET
...And in the naked light I saw/ten thousand people, maybe more/people talking without speaking/people hearing without listening/people writing songs that voices never share/and no one dare/disturb The Sound Of Silence./"Fools" said I, "You do not know/silence like a cancer grows./Hear my words that I might teach you,/take my arms that I might reach you."/But my words like silent raindrops fell,/and echoed/in the wells of silence./And the people bowed and prayed/to the neon god they made./And the sign flashed out its warning/in the words that it was forming,/and the signs said, "The words of the prophets are wrotten on the subway walls/and tenement halls."/and whisper'd in The Sounds Of Silence.
I think that accurately sums up my position, relative to you minions of a neon god. I welcome hostilities!
"Assimilation is futile. You will be resisted."
Paraphrase of Borg quote, Datalinks.
Spider
Someone who has a deep-seated hatred of totalitarian governments.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-12-99 07:48 PM ET
Spider:
While that poem was very well writen and touching, it does not accuratly discribe The BrotherHood. Here is a copy of the message I posted in "Freedom Alliance" to Kestril.
Note:
It that your poem or did you copy it?
Kestril:
Since you are new, I fell it necessary to inform you of what has happened on these forums regarding The BrotherHood.
The first event the involved me with The BrotherHood was when I was assimilated. At first I resisted, but then I came to realize the good in assimilation. Soon I was a powerful leader in The BrotherHood.
Soon, I started running an underground campaign for peace. Although it was hard, eventually, LeaderShip embraced my ideas, and what we have today began to form.
We no longer control the minds of our people; we merely enhance them.
This enhancement does not do anything to impair their individuality. In fact, we have many people who are so radical you would label them as traitors and execute them. We, however, listen to their ideas and consider them. Many changes have been made to our government based on the ideas of these "dissidents".
If you still think we are a totalitarian, then please state your concerns and we will try to resolve them.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-12-99 07:54 PM ET
You, my friend, are the minion of orthodoxy. We are not the Borg. We are not a totalitarianism. And most of all, we do control the minds of our citizens.
I do not welcome military confrontation, as The BrotherHood is a peaceful faction.
Resistance is far from futile, but it is extremely ungrounded and unnecessary. Please reconsider.
Spider posted 04-12-99 08:26 PM ET
[OOC]
Collins: When did I say it was a poem? It's the last three verses from a VERY good song, but one that you obviously know nothing about, leading me to wonder....
[/OOC]
Attack me/us! I/We don't really care! I/We meant what I/we said about assimilation being futile! And do you know why you will never assimilate me/us? I/WE AM/ARE ALL ONE MIND! THAT IS ONE OF MY/OUR STRENGTHS AGAINST YOU, AS IS THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO RIP THE SURFACE OFF CHIRON TO REMOVE ME/US! I/WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU WEAK, PATHETIC CONSTRUCTS, DESPITE ALL YOUR "ENHANCEMENTS"! I/WE THINK YOU GOT TO NUMBER THREE ALREADY! (I/We know, it's a cheap shot.)
SPIDER
I/WE KNOW WHAT I'M/WE'RE DOING!!!!!
Klug posted 04-12-99 09:27 PM ET
*Out of character*
I've been away from my computer for a few days...Sorry for not keeping up."
*In Character*
ENGAGING MULTI-DIMENSIONAL COMMUNICATION DEVICE...
PLEASE ENTER DIMENSIONAL VARIANT NUMBER:
233
ENGAGING COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL..
I Malcolm Klug wish to address this Council. I apologize for interrupting your meeting. I have sent the issue of whether or not we should allow assimilation to my people over the PSI-Net. They overwhelmingly said no, Even the Cyber-Union (our Cybernetic-Cyborg political party) was skeptical. I offer a treaty of friendship & will offer trade treaties to all who desire it. I look forward to at least diplomatic relations. Now are you one governement or are you a collective of a number of other factions?
*OUT of character*
Now I don't remember but I think that only id G.O.D & Jt3 had Dimensional gating technology. If this incorrect just let me know.
*IN character*
Anyway... I, as president of the Seekers, am curious how this new brotherhood will effect our relations with the the factions such as JT3's who we had (have?) a Pact with. This new brotherhood might force a complete reconsideration of relations since the factions of have changed in some degree. Any info you can give us on your intentions would be nice.
Auf Weidersehen
President Malcolm Klug
Seekers of Knowledge.
God Emperor Eccles V posted 04-12-99 10:29 PM ET
Hello. Just hated ol' me.
I congratulate you Collins on creating your 'Brotherhood' it proves divide and conquer is always effective. Having JT3, the most vocal, join you was a real coup d'etait. Then concluding peace seperately and causing the military alliance to disintegrate was pure masterwork.
Anyhow I think we both agreed to exchange societal information, as part of the Freedom Alliance.
My Datalinks stand ready. I will send you info via the Freedom Alliance Thread, as should you.

Ambassador Winston posted 04-13-99 03:02 PM ET
Now it would seem that the BrotherHood's intentions are good, but we still don't fully trust it, espically after its 180 degree turn around in its ways. Our faction or its members have no need to be assimilated, for we already use bio-implants to prolong life.
-Ambassador Winston
The Alliance of Free People
Ambassador to Centauri Space
Ambassador Collins posted 04-13-99 03:09 PM ET
God Emperor Eccles V:
Thank you, but diabolical planning and charisma did not give me this position. I was elected because of the wisdom and the power of my faction.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-13-99 03:10 PM ET
God Emperor Eccles V:
Thank you, but diabolical planning and charisma did not give me this position. I was elected because of the wisdom and the power of my faction.
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 04:53 PM ET
Hello, again. Klug. First off, unless you do not want it, we are still in a Pact.
It will have no effect on our relations. My Faction has a Pact with the Brotherhood, but we are not actually in the Brotherhood(I'll explain, Collins. Don't call me a traitor yet). We _have_ agreed to absolutly free trade, map sharing, and tech trades. Most of my Faction has been assimilated, except for those who want to. However, The Federation of Research and Knowledge does not have to join in any wars they have, although we probably will, unless it's one of our good friends(like you). We encourage you to at least get some relations going with the Brotherhood, as the assimilation tech can help you live longer and do many things better.
The assimilation still leaves you a free person. We are still democratic, we still have a free market, we still have baseball games, holo theatres, and rec commons for fun. All assimilation does is help the body be a body. It does not control anything/one.
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 04:54 PM ET
Oh, yes, and Eccles V, thank you(I think) for the...uhhh....compliment(?).
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
Ambassador Collins posted 04-13-99 05:38 PM ET
I am VERY dissapointed to inform you that Governor Korian is a traitor. He has recently been executed.
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 06:10 PM ET
He has? I didn't see that anywhere.
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
Governor Korian posted 04-13-99 06:44 PM ET
I am simply posting this to assure you I have not been executed. If I was, I would obviously not be able to talk to you.
*OOC*
(Collins, what you just did is against the rules.)
*IC*
I am a traitor to the Brotherhood, but they are traitors to humanity.
Governor Korian of the Union of Liberty
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 07:02 PM ET
How are they traitors to humanity?
God Emperor Eccles V posted 04-13-99 08:42 PM ET
Collins, can't you enslave anything?
You should have used non-chemical obedience methods, then used chemicals on them.
That would have meant that if they broke the chemical bonds, the rebels would have still been relatively passive.
Or you could have made the humans dependant on the chemicals. (the ones Korian says are in the implants)
Anyhow if Korian is lying I will send you some good libel lawyers/ Biological Bombs.
Ask for help and I will come.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
WAR IS PEACE
Ambassador Collins posted 04-13-99 08:47 PM ET
Ignore that last post. It was in error.
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 08:47 PM ET
You're giving help to _BOTH_ sides?!? Why? Pick one and stick with it!
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 08:49 PM ET
Okay.(OOC) Forgot about the no killing rule, huh? Don't worry, I think I've already forgotten two.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-13-99 08:54 PM ET
We did not attack Korian!!!
JT 3 posted 04-13-99 08:58 PM ET
Oh, yeah, Eccles, besides that, Korian's atwar with the FSD. Get the sides straight before you pick them(even though you aren't picking sides).
JT3
Head Scientist of The Federation of Research and Knowledge
Member of AOP
God Emperor Eccles V posted 04-14-99 07:37 AM ET
I was neutral! I am awaiting information before committing forces.
Fine, sorry for the inconvenience. Just because I opposed the Brotherhood does not mean I oppose it now.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
God Emperor Eccles V posted 04-14-99 07:42 AM ET
I know you are not at war, yet. But don't you want to aid the FSD?
Ambassador Collins posted 04-15-99 08:00 PM ET
I move to start an economic embargo against Galen for his recent attack on Korian. The BrotherHood does not force its perfection on people. We show them the advantages of it, and then let them make their own choice.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-15-99 08:01 PM ET
I'm sorry. I meant his recent threat to attack Winston.
JT 3 posted 04-15-99 08:18 PM ET
I am staying neytral, at least for now. He has not attacked Winston yet. If he does, I might reconsider my neutrality.
Ambassador Collins posted 04-15-99 08:33 PM ET
I also think we should do this because of his actions in "The True Humans"
JT 3 posted 04-15-99 08:36 PM ET
Yes, that was offending, but I'm still neutral for now.
Galen posted 04-15-99 08:48 PM ET
I vote against, I am noting that if Winston has 3 entire planets that he can move his people on my planet off. I have more people and need at least 2 planets, the other star system the Kepler found would suit him well. As for the incident with the FSD, we are simply defending the people from attack. If the rest of the Brotherhood wishes our people to leave, we will withdraw, leaving only 2 AAA Gluon Garrisons per base.
AqKnow
JT 3 posted 04-15-99 08:59 PM ET
I want a total withdraw. You are helping in a war that is not yours. If you go into any battles, defending or not, you are officially in a state of war with the Union of Liberty. I do not wish to have this happen.
Galen posted 04-15-99 09:27 PM ET
okay, we are withdrawing, however, the Gluon Garrisons are no longer our forces, and therefore cannot be taken away.
AqKnow
Governor Korian posted 04-16-99 07:29 AM ET
What do you mean defending the people? Why would we kill people that were once our neighbors and will be soon again? Also, our people were not given a choice in assimilation. They were under the strong influence of neurochemical triggers.
Galen posted 04-16-99 04:21 PM ET
How do you know? You do the same. You FORCE them to leave the Brotherhood. And let us not forget that we are at war with the acheans, and all you do fight a war against other AOP members.
AqKnoe
Senator Byzeal posted 04-16-99 07:12 PM ET
I would like to join the Brotherhood. I apologize for my absense, but I was sick with saf'hih.
Governor Korian posted 04-16-99 09:31 PM ET
What do you mean "How do you know?" I'm the one in control of the Union! Also, we are just removing their implants temporarily, since they were not given a choice in receiving them. Once the war is over, they will be given the option of assimilation.
Governor Korian of the Union of Liberty
JT 3 posted 04-17-99 04:38 PM ET
Our people aren't. I have had the assimilation implants taken out of over 100 random people. They felt exactly the same before and after(yes, I did use truth detectors). I had them put back in. They still felt the same.
Someone was trying to sabatoge your Faction, Korian.
Governor Korian posted 04-17-99 04:48 PM ET
Since we have regained control of the FSD, we have just given our citiznes the option of assimilation. Not suprisingly, none of them opted for it after this tragedy.
Governor Korian of the Federated States of Democracy
JT 3 posted 04-17-99 05:00 PM ET
I'm not surprised.
Galen posted 04-18-99 01:01 AM ET
That is not nessecarily true. I have evidence.
Study 1: 9000 citizens, 1/3 Talents, 1/3 Normal, and 1/3 drones were taken out to be examined. 1/3 of each kind had their implants removed (group 1); 1/3 didn't, but had their contacts with those not in their group severed (group 2); 1/3 remained in normal connection (group 3). We placed each in their own caste. A constant psychological and physical(done without outside interaction) monitoring revealed interesting results. Note, this is on our old collective method. 1st set of numbers indicate percentage with "good vibes" or elevated happiness.
______|_1_|___2__|_3_|
Talent|52 |88 |73 |
----------------------
Normal|71 |62 |67 |
----------------------
Drone | 9*|32 |85 |
----------------------
Total |44 |60 2/3|75 |
----------------------
* indicates descent into anarchy and deaths, equaling 76% of pop
This study shows that some interaction helps talents, is not helpful to the normal person, and ESSENTIAL to a drone.
Study 2.
Same as Study 1 but with new communal mind.
______|__1___|_2_|_3_|
Talent|65 |81 |92 |
----------------------
Normal|70 |76 |86 |
----------------------
Drone |20 |34 |74 |
----------------------
Total |51 2/3|67 |84 |
----------------------
This study indicates that the new mind helps everyone. I think that perhaps YOUR studies are flawed.
Galen
AqKnow
JT 3 posted 04-18-99 09:25 AM ET
How could his studies be flawed?! He had implants, he had them removed, he felt different! He didn't even have to study to realize something was going on!
Governor Korian posted 04-18-99 01:22 PM ET
Galen, I do not see the relevance of your "study." Also, we have not done any studies. I do not wish to be assimilated, and neither does my population. That is how it will remain.
JT 3 posted 04-18-99 06:48 PM ET
I think Korian should be able to choose how to run his own Faction, Galen.
Galen posted 04-18-99 08:21 PM ET
Now that you mention that, we did sevral studies on that too. We came to the conclusion that after they were de-assimilated all normals and drones were VERY prone to suggestion. We got in 1 study 82% of normals to beleive that we were on a flat planet, 93% of drones fell, but only 10% of Talents did.
Galen
AqKnow
JT 3 posted 04-18-99 08:24 PM ET
Hmmm.... that's strange. Noone believed the earth was flat(well, there was this one drone from the local asylum....), but 4% did believe that they were on the Unity... hmmm....
Galen posted 04-18-99 09:12 PM ET
You have to do it right. When we told them through computers not much happened, when we had people who acted with conviction and tried to convince them, showing "the edge of the world" to them, we got those results.
Also, we did further tests on other ideas, including that they were robbed when their implants were removed and that assimilation is bad.
1 (using robbed idea)
Percent beleiving:
Talent:6%
Normal:78%
Drone:96%
We also tested if they (those convinced) could be convinced otherwise with logical arguments 5 days later, talking only with each other.
Percent convinced otherwise:
Talent:98%
Normal:13.5%
Drone:2.5%
2:
Talent:5%
Normal:79%
Drone:97%
Otherwise:
Talent:97%
Normal:11%
Drone:2%
This shows my point.
JT 3 posted 04-18-99 09:22 PM ET
I did do it that way.
When asked if assimilation was bad after the implants were takenm out, only .23% of the people said yes. When others tried to convince them, 2.657% of the people said it was bad.
They aren't controlled.
Governor Korian posted 04-19-99 07:21 AM ET
Galen, I care not for your "studies." I have chosen how to run my faction, and you will only be able to run it for me over my dead body.
Governor Korian of the Federated States of Democracy
JT 3 posted 04-19-99 11:13 AM ET
Korian, you have gotten a little touchy in your last posts. Calm down. Everyone knows you can run your Faction the way you want to.
Governor Korian posted 04-19-99 09:07 PM ET
JT, it is my business as to what my attitude is. If you think I'm being touchy, well that's your problem. Also, Galen, you could throw your so-called "studies" at me for the next millenia and I still wouldn't assimilate my faction. I asked everyone of my citizens if they wished to be assimilated, and they all said NO!! Here is my study:
When asked if they wanted to be assimilated, here is how each group responded:
Talents- YES-0.00% NO-100.00%
Workers- YES-0.00% NO-100.00%
Drones- YES-0.00% NO-100.00% Get the picture?
President Korian of the Federated States of Democracy
JT 3 posted 04-19-99 09:11 PM ET
OOC
hehheh. Pretty good way of showing a study.
Galen posted 04-20-99 04:39 PM ET
I would just like to know how you know what the babies want. And how you got 100% of your population polled correctly without using implants. Your margin of error must be awfully high... Anyways, I am simply saying that you are wrong, but I know it is your faction, and not mine.
Galen
AqKnoq
JT 3 posted 04-20-99 04:43 PM ET
Why would he get more errors without implants? Just use commlinks, Network Nodes, polls, coomputers, etc. to get everyone to say what they want.
Galen posted 04-21-99 04:45 PM ET
There is no way you will get everyone, those who are mute? those who don't feel like going to the network node... That is a problem.
Galen
AqKnow
President Korian posted 04-21-99 05:07 PM ET
There is no reason for them to go to the Network Nodes, as in every living containment facility, there is a government monitor. When an issue like this arrises, a voting screen appears on the monitor and every citizen can vote. Also, babies are not classified as workers, talents, or drones, so obviously they are not included in the survey.
President Korian of the Federated States of Democracy
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