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Veracitas posted 07-18-99 10:27 PM ET
So,
What is everyone's favourite SE Combo? I suppose the faction chosen would heavily influence the decision, however, implementing a tally for factions would be a moot point. Thus, mention it in your response, but do not keep a tally of it. Voting restricted to one choice per person per sub-division. Thus, one can have one vote each for Politics, Economics, Values, and Future.
Running total:
Politics:
Police: 0; Democracy: 1; Fund: 0;
Economics:
FM: 1; Planned: 0; Green: 0;
Values:
K: 1; P: 0; W: 0;
Future:
Eu: 0; Cyber: 1; Big Brother: 0;
I normally use the Demo/Free/Knowledge/Cyber SE combo under University.
Koshko posted 07-18-99 11:51 PM ET
Politics = Democracy for Efficiency
Economics = Green for Mind Worms and lack of Pollution
Values = Wealth because I play Morgan and get +1 energy per square
Future = Cybernetic because it's good for all factions
Running total
Politics: 2 Democracy; 0 else
Ecomonics: 1 FM; 1 Green; 0 Planned
Values: 1 Know; 1 Wealth; 0 Power
Future: 2 Cyber; 0 else
Sheitan posted 07-19-99 03:24 AM ET
Hmm... really depends what faction.
As Hive: Police State/Planned/Wealth
As Peaceniks: Democracy/FM/Knowledge
As Morganites: Democracy/Green/Wealth
As University: Democracy/Green/Knowledge
As Gaians: Democracy/Green/Wealth
I don't play the other factions much....
As for the future techs, it really depends on your wonders. If you have the vats, go thought control, or cybernetic. If you have the H/S Algorithm, go Cyb or Eudaimonic. If you have network backbone, go cyb (obviously).
Cyb is well balanced, but Eudaimonic's +2 energy is great when not on FM (whose no police penalty is a pain in the ass on Thinker or Transcend).
Just my thoughts.
- Sheitan
absimiliard posted 07-19-99 11:16 AM ET
Hail all.
My SE choices tend to be controlled by my allies. In other words, I socially engineer to keep my allies happy.
Example: I often play the UoP so I go democracy and nothing for my economic choice. You ask, 'Why?' Democratic means the PKs are happy allying with me. I like the PKs as allies. Simple instead of Green/FM/Planned because I like allying with both Morgan and Dierdre. If I go Green, I tick of Morgan. If I go FM I tick of Dierdre. If I go Planned I tick both of them off. (I do go Planned when I need to Pop Boom, but only stay in it for a bit.
Advanced SE choices, 'values' and 'future society' are a little easier. I typically fight Santiago anyway so going Wealth or Knowledge does not matter to me. Ticking Santiago off is going to happen anyway. So for the advanced SE choices I tend to use whatever makes up for weaknesses in my 'ally-determined' SE choices.
-absimiliard
absimiliard posted 07-19-99 11:16 AM ET
Hail all.
My SE choices tend to be controlled by my allies. In other words, I socially engineer to keep my allies happy.
Example: I often play the UoP so I go democracy and nothing for my economic choice. You ask, 'Why?' Democratic means the PKs are happy allying with me. I like the PKs as allies. Simple instead of Green/FM/Planned because I like allying with both Morgan and Dierdre. If I go Green, I tick of Morgan. If I go FM I tick of Dierdre. If I go Planned I tick both of them off. (I do go Planned when I need to Pop Boom, but only stay in it for a bit.
Advanced SE choices, 'values' and 'future society' are a little easier. I typically fight Santiago anyway so going Wealth or Knowledge does not matter to me. Ticking Santiago off is going to happen anyway. So for the advanced SE choices I tend to use whatever makes up for weaknesses in my 'ally-determined' SE choices.
-absimiliard
dilbert posted 07-19-99 03:35 PM ET
If my faction has less than 20 bases, my SE choices for each factions are:
Believers: Dem/Planned/Wealth
Gaians: Police/Green/Knowledge
Hive: Police/Planned/Wealth
Morgan: Police/Green/wealth
PK: Dem/Green/Knowledge
Spartan: ?/?/?
UoP: Police/FM/Knowledge
After my factions grows to more than 20 bases:
Hive: Frontier/Green/Wealth
Morgan: Dem/Green/Wealth
UoP: Dem/Green/Knowledge
Finally, the best SE mix for everyone except (Gaians) is:
Dem/Green/Power/Cybernetic with Cloning Vats
The Gaians can use Dem/Green/Power/Eudaimonic
Veracitas posted 07-20-99 08:13 PM ET
Much to my delight, this is becoming more of a discussion on SE choices than a Poll. I just thought, examining the general trends of postings, that Polls tend to live longer and get more responses, albeit not as drawn out and sophisticated as the true "discussion." groups. Even still--while I want to continue to perpetuate the discussions--the core of the thread should not be lost. I could not tell the preference of the latter few people--being that they were too ambiguous--so the running total stands at:
Politics: 2 Democracy; 0 Police; 0 Fund.
Ecomonics: 1 FM; 1 Green; 0 Planned
Values: 1 Know; 1 Wealth; 0 Power
Future: 2 Cyber; 0 Eud; 0 Thought Control
I understand if you believe it to be a moot point to establish the "best" socio-economic model considering the many variables that can affect one's decisions (Secret projects and choice of factions come to mind), but this is generally a poll of one's "Favourite" model, so I think that it is justified. If the people who responded earlier want to vote, then feel free to do so, but remember to keep a running tally...
--Veracitas
Zoetrope posted 07-21-99 04:17 AM ET
dilbert: Re your last paragraph about "best SE mix", Hive cannot be Democratic.
So I guess you mean Frontier.
Incidentally, Hive being Frontier is useful in the absimiliard context of diplomacy, when you negotiate Lal's surrender.
Veracitas: My favorite SE model is whatever produces the most of what I currently want. In peacetime that means population and energy. In vendetta it means military force.
Ideally, I'd have the Telepathic Matrix, be able to crush every other faction with a menacing glance, and go Democratic (Hive would go Police State or Frontier), Free Market or Green, Wealth or Knowledge, and whichever of Cybernetic and Eudaimonic gives the most energy.
The indecision is because sometimes Green gives more energy than Free Market, and Wealth can give more research than Knowledge, depending on the multitude of yet unanalysed factors to which you alluded.
Veracitas posted 07-21-99 10:26 PM ET
Actually, i can't see why Yang would NOT have Police/Planned without the Patch. He would have a whole bunch of stuff without any negatives...
Roland Sennholz posted 08-28-99 01:39 PM ET
With UoP I like to have Hunter seeker Algorithm, Politics: Democratic. Economics: Green. Values: Knowledge. Future Society: Cybernetic.
SMAniaC posted 08-28-99 07:05 PM ET
University, Gaians, Spartans and Peacekeepers :
Democratic/Green/Knowledge before future.
Then Democratic/Green/Power/Eudaimonic if Cloning Vats.
I am really expansionist and try to get every EFFIC I can get, so even with the Gaians and their efficiency bonus I never am Police State.
With Morgans
Democratic/Green/Wealth/Thought Control if Cloning Vats.
Hive no opinion.
And I never played the Believers . I am a real science and planet guy so I hate them.
So for Veracitas' poll purpose I would say
Democracy/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonic.
Hunterseeker posted 09-01-99 04:22 PM ET
I've never played for very long with the Hive, the Spartans and the PK(Just don't like those guys, I think). So for them no opininon.
University : Democracy, free market in peace, green in war, wealth in peace knowlegde in war, cybernetic combined with wealth and eudaimonic combined with green.
Gaians: Democracy, green, wealth, cybernetic.
Believers: Police state, green, power, thought control( I usually have the SP to eliminate the support penalty).
Morgans: Democracy, green, wealth, cybernetic.
Although I've just recently found out that democracy+planned+children's creche = POPULATION BOOM! So that strategy haven't I tried out yet. I don't know why anybody would choose Fundamentalist politics, I play as a technocrat(always have the HS-algorithm and high techlevel) and I really don't need pressingly the +1 morale bonus, since I play with Builder strategy.
White_Cat posted 09-03-99 07:34 AM ET
Spartans: Democratic/Free Market/Knowledge. In the late game, I'll switch to Green economy (FM unrealistically creates too much eco-damage) and go with Eudamonia. (Gotta keep that +1 energy per square...)
WhiteHowler posted 09-03-99 02:02 PM ET
It really depends on the faction, but these are my favorite choices:
Politics: Democracy for efficiency (I pick this one for every faction that can use it)
Economics: It mainly depends on the type of victory. I like having lots of money and knowledge, so I usually go with Free Market, switching to Planned or Green in times of war (whichever makes my allies happy).
Values: Wealth, wealth, wealth. Money and knowledge win almost every game -- depending on your energy allocation and city setup, you can get techs much faster with Wealth than with Knowledge.
Future: These show up so late in the game that it usually doesn't matter much. I just choose whichever meets my current needs.
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Author	Topic: Poll: Favourite Social Engineering Choices
Veracitas	posted 07-18-99 10:27 PM ET So, What is everyone's favourite SE Combo? I suppose the faction chosen would heavily influence the decision, however, implementing a tally for factions would be a moot point. Thus, mention it in your response, but do not keep a tally of it. Voting restricted to one choice per person per sub-division. Thus, one can have one vote each for Politics, Economics, Values, and Future. Running total: Politics: Police: 0; Democracy: 1; Fund: 0; Economics: FM: 1; Planned: 0; Green: 0; Values: K: 1; P: 0; W: 0; Future: Eu: 0; Cyber: 1; Big Brother: 0; I normally use the Demo/Free/Knowledge/Cyber SE combo under University.
Koshko	posted 07-18-99 11:51 PM ET Politics = Democracy for Efficiency Economics = Green for Mind Worms and lack of Pollution Values = Wealth because I play Morgan and get +1 energy per square Future = Cybernetic because it's good for all factions Running total Politics: 2 Democracy; 0 else Ecomonics: 1 FM; 1 Green; 0 Planned Values: 1 Know; 1 Wealth; 0 Power Future: 2 Cyber; 0 else
Sheitan	posted 07-19-99 03:24 AM ET Hmm... really depends what faction. As Hive: Police State/Planned/Wealth As Peaceniks: Democracy/FM/Knowledge As Morganites: Democracy/Green/Wealth As University: Democracy/Green/Knowledge As Gaians: Democracy/Green/Wealth I don't play the other factions much.... As for the future techs, it really depends on your wonders. If you have the vats, go thought control, or cybernetic. If you have the H/S Algorithm, go Cyb or Eudaimonic. If you have network backbone, go cyb (obviously). Cyb is well balanced, but Eudaimonic's +2 energy is great when not on FM (whose no police penalty is a pain in the ass on Thinker or Transcend). Just my thoughts. - Sheitan
absimiliard	posted 07-19-99 11:16 AM ET Hail all. My SE choices tend to be controlled by my allies. In other words, I socially engineer to keep my allies happy. Example: I often play the UoP so I go democracy and nothing for my economic choice. You ask, 'Why?' Democratic means the PKs are happy allying with me. I like the PKs as allies. Simple instead of Green/FM/Planned because I like allying with both Morgan and Dierdre. If I go Green, I tick of Morgan. If I go FM I tick of Dierdre. If I go Planned I tick both of them off. (I do go Planned when I need to Pop Boom, but only stay in it for a bit. Advanced SE choices, 'values' and 'future society' are a little easier. I typically fight Santiago anyway so going Wealth or Knowledge does not matter to me. Ticking Santiago off is going to happen anyway. So for the advanced SE choices I tend to use whatever makes up for weaknesses in my 'ally-determined' SE choices. -absimiliard
absimiliard	posted 07-19-99 11:16 AM ET Hail all. My SE choices tend to be controlled by my allies. In other words, I socially engineer to keep my allies happy. Example: I often play the UoP so I go democracy and nothing for my economic choice. You ask, 'Why?' Democratic means the PKs are happy allying with me. I like the PKs as allies. Simple instead of Green/FM/Planned because I like allying with both Morgan and Dierdre. If I go Green, I tick of Morgan. If I go FM I tick of Dierdre. If I go Planned I tick both of them off. (I do go Planned when I need to Pop Boom, but only stay in it for a bit. Advanced SE choices, 'values' and 'future society' are a little easier. I typically fight Santiago anyway so going Wealth or Knowledge does not matter to me. Ticking Santiago off is going to happen anyway. So for the advanced SE choices I tend to use whatever makes up for weaknesses in my 'ally-determined' SE choices. -absimiliard
dilbert	posted 07-19-99 03:35 PM ET If my faction has less than 20 bases, my SE choices for each factions are: Believers: Dem/Planned/Wealth Gaians: Police/Green/Knowledge Hive: Police/Planned/Wealth Morgan: Police/Green/wealth PK: Dem/Green/Knowledge Spartan: ?/?/? UoP: Police/FM/Knowledge After my factions grows to more than 20 bases: Hive: Frontier/Green/Wealth Morgan: Dem/Green/Wealth UoP: Dem/Green/Knowledge Finally, the best SE mix for everyone except (Gaians) is: Dem/Green/Power/Cybernetic with Cloning Vats The Gaians can use Dem/Green/Power/Eudaimonic
Veracitas	posted 07-20-99 08:13 PM ET Much to my delight, this is becoming more of a discussion on SE choices than a Poll. I just thought, examining the general trends of postings, that Polls tend to live longer and get more responses, albeit not as drawn out and sophisticated as the true "discussion." groups. Even still--while I want to continue to perpetuate the discussions--the core of the thread should not be lost. I could not tell the preference of the latter few people--being that they were too ambiguous--so the running total stands at: Politics: 2 Democracy; 0 Police; 0 Fund. Ecomonics: 1 FM; 1 Green; 0 Planned Values: 1 Know; 1 Wealth; 0 Power Future: 2 Cyber; 0 Eud; 0 Thought Control I understand if you believe it to be a moot point to establish the "best" socio-economic model considering the many variables that can affect one's decisions (Secret projects and choice of factions come to mind), but this is generally a poll of one's "Favourite" model, so I think that it is justified. If the people who responded earlier want to vote, then feel free to do so, but remember to keep a running tally... --Veracitas
Zoetrope	posted 07-21-99 04:17 AM ET dilbert: Re your last paragraph about "best SE mix", Hive cannot be Democratic. So I guess you mean Frontier. Incidentally, Hive being Frontier is useful in the absimiliard context of diplomacy, when you negotiate Lal's surrender. Veracitas: My favorite SE model is whatever produces the most of what I currently want. In peacetime that means population and energy. In vendetta it means military force. Ideally, I'd have the Telepathic Matrix, be able to crush every other faction with a menacing glance, and go Democratic (Hive would go Police State or Frontier), Free Market or Green, Wealth or Knowledge, and whichever of Cybernetic and Eudaimonic gives the most energy. The indecision is because sometimes Green gives more energy than Free Market, and Wealth can give more research than Knowledge, depending on the multitude of yet unanalysed factors to which you alluded.
Veracitas	posted 07-21-99 10:26 PM ET Actually, i can't see why Yang would NOT have Police/Planned without the Patch. He would have a whole bunch of stuff without any negatives...
Roland Sennholz	posted 08-28-99 01:39 PM ET With UoP I like to have Hunter seeker Algorithm, Politics: Democratic. Economics: Green. Values: Knowledge. Future Society: Cybernetic.
SMAniaC	posted 08-28-99 07:05 PM ET University, Gaians, Spartans and Peacekeepers : Democratic/Green/Knowledge before future. Then Democratic/Green/Power/Eudaimonic if Cloning Vats. I am really expansionist and try to get every EFFIC I can get, so even with the Gaians and their efficiency bonus I never am Police State. With Morgans Democratic/Green/Wealth/Thought Control if Cloning Vats. Hive no opinion. And I never played the Believers . I am a real science and planet guy so I hate them. So for Veracitas' poll purpose I would say Democracy/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonic.
Hunterseeker	posted 09-01-99 04:22 PM ET I've never played for very long with the Hive, the Spartans and the PK(Just don't like those guys, I think). So for them no opininon. University : Democracy, free market in peace, green in war, wealth in peace knowlegde in war, cybernetic combined with wealth and eudaimonic combined with green. Gaians: Democracy, green, wealth, cybernetic. Believers: Police state, green, power, thought control( I usually have the SP to eliminate the support penalty). Morgans: Democracy, green, wealth, cybernetic. Although I've just recently found out that democracy+planned+children's creche = POPULATION BOOM! So that strategy haven't I tried out yet. I don't know why anybody would choose Fundamentalist politics, I play as a technocrat(always have the HS-algorithm and high techlevel) and I really don't need pressingly the +1 morale bonus, since I play with Builder strategy.
White_Cat	posted 09-03-99 07:34 AM ET Spartans: Democratic/Free Market/Knowledge. In the late game, I'll switch to Green economy (FM unrealistically creates too much eco-damage) and go with Eudamonia. (Gotta keep that +1 energy per square...)
WhiteHowler	posted 09-03-99 02:02 PM ET It really depends on the faction, but these are my favorite choices: Politics: Democracy for efficiency (I pick this one for every faction that can use it) Economics: It mainly depends on the type of victory. I like having lots of money and knowledge, so I usually go with Free Market, switching to Planned or Green in times of war (whichever makes my allies happy). Values: Wealth, wealth, wealth. Money and knowledge win almost every game -- depending on your energy allocation and city setup, you can get techs much faster with Wealth than with Knowledge. Future: These show up so late in the game that it usually doesn't matter much. I just choose whichever meets my current needs.