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GeneralStalker posted 07-17-99 07:58 AM ET
Aren't blood truces supposed to expire eventually? Mine never do. Is there anything that prevents them from expiring?
K posted 07-17-99 03:13 PM ET
No contact for ten years will make a Truce expire, but any contact with the Factopn will renew the Truce, even if they threaten you.
The only honorable way to break a Truce is to threaten them so much that they declare Vendetta on you, or to land troops on their land, but you don't attack.
Krushala posted 07-17-99 03:35 PM ET
A lot of times even if they contact me at the 10 year point. If they threaten for money or tech and I deny it. The blood truce will expire but they won't attack. If I do agree to give tech or money it will renew. So when I do deny tech/money the comm link window will show no status at all next to that faction. You can go ahead an attack with no penalty.
ErisDiscordia5 posted 07-18-99 10:00 AM ET
I find that renewing war on Transcend is no problem, as long as you are not many times more powerful than them. Just right-click the faction name in the Commlink, and demand that they get off your land. Generally you get a "You'll see whose land this is! BUAHAHAHAHA!" message. Even if you have 10 helicopters waiting over their cities. This works just as well when they actually have no units on their land. I guess they get offended on general principle.
ErisD5
SMAniaC posted 07-18-99 01:35 PM ET
Steal some energy reserves and you've got a vendetta.
itdoesntfit posted 07-18-99 01:41 PM ET
It's impossible without attacking, or getting caught spying. I can't believe that every time I avoided them, they still continued to renew the truce.
Krushala posted 07-18-99 01:57 PM ET
Who cares, just attack them. You can't spell dishonor without honor.
WyldKarde posted 07-18-99 08:22 PM ET
Seems to be a major oversight on the part of Firaxis. You could declare war in Civ and Civ II, but with SMAC you have to provoke the opposition into doing it.
HELLO?? How the sneck did they miss this? Some of us bloodthirsty warmongers like to keep a spotless diplomatic reputation you know.
laurens posted 07-18-99 09:49 PM ET
Well, I don't end truces, I break them most of the time - before the AI gets you frustrated.
"Great honours are great burdens."
Natguy posted 07-22-99 06:07 PM ET
Wait until you have your forces repositioned to strike, and ask them to leave your territory. They hate that, so they declare Vendetta. Then your troops pour into their lands from the north, as numberless as leaves upon the wind, sweeping all before them! The surprised defenders are cut down by the Great Army until your troops are wading in a sea of the enemy's blood, as you raise your standard high among the wreckage of the slaughtered foe!
Sorry, I felt like a Mongol so I said it like a Mongol would.
Sun_Tzu posted 07-23-99 02:53 AM ET
I just want to put in my two cents. =) What you want to do is annoy the opposition until they get sick of talking to you and they declare Vendetta. Basically this entails Comming them and then making ludicrous demands. If you're in a Blood Truce, just keep on telling them to "get off my land." It works really well when you know that they don't have any units even remotely close to your territory, heh. If you're in a Treaty or Pact, just ask for cities/research/etc and then when they ask "why?" reply with "To refrain from crushing you like a squishy grape" (Yes, I know, it says "bug." Squishy grape just sounds so much better, hehe). If you do this enough then they get really angry and declare Vendetta. I don't know about you guys, but having to go through this whole process annoys ME more than it annoys the AI. I seriously hope that Firaxis puts in some sort of "Declare Vendetta" command in the next patch...
White_Cat posted 07-25-99 03:19 AM ET
I don't really think there should be a honourable way to declare war. After all, if the U.S. called up Mexico tomorrow and said "We're going to go to war with you" and then invaded the next day, they would still be considered the aggressor and become less liked, even though it wasn't a "sneak attack."
The only way to avoid the honour hit should be the sneaky way they have now, by provoking your enemy into attacking you (like Otto von Bismarck did in the Franco-Prussion War).
White_Cat posted 07-25-99 03:24 AM ET
I forgot to mention one complaint I have. I don't think really think that your honour should go down if you agree to "join with me to defend against the evils of faction X." (eg. The U.S. wasn't considered bad for joining WW2, because the Axis were obviously the ones at fault.) Perhaps this could be based on whether or not the faction you're declaring vendetta on is the aggressor or not (the computer knows this information; when you say "please call off your attack" the AI will say "But it is the other guy who's attacking me" if they were on the defensive).
I also think that your honour should slowly recuperate over time if you stop doing dishonourable deeds.
Do you lose honour for commiting atrocities while at war (or nerve stapling), even if the UN Charter is repealed?
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Author	Topic: How do you honorably end a truce?
GeneralStalker	posted 07-17-99 07:58 AM ET Aren't blood truces supposed to expire eventually? Mine never do. Is there anything that prevents them from expiring?
K	posted 07-17-99 03:13 PM ET No contact for ten years will make a Truce expire, but any contact with the Factopn will renew the Truce, even if they threaten you. The only honorable way to break a Truce is to threaten them so much that they declare Vendetta on you, or to land troops on their land, but you don't attack.
Krushala	posted 07-17-99 03:35 PM ET A lot of times even if they contact me at the 10 year point. If they threaten for money or tech and I deny it. The blood truce will expire but they won't attack. If I do agree to give tech or money it will renew. So when I do deny tech/money the comm link window will show no status at all next to that faction. You can go ahead an attack with no penalty.
ErisDiscordia5	posted 07-18-99 10:00 AM ET I find that renewing war on Transcend is no problem, as long as you are not many times more powerful than them. Just right-click the faction name in the Commlink, and demand that they get off your land. Generally you get a "You'll see whose land this is! BUAHAHAHAHA!" message. Even if you have 10 helicopters waiting over their cities. This works just as well when they actually have no units on their land. I guess they get offended on general principle. ErisD5
SMAniaC	posted 07-18-99 01:35 PM ET Steal some energy reserves and you've got a vendetta.
itdoesntfit	posted 07-18-99 01:41 PM ET It's impossible without attacking, or getting caught spying. I can't believe that every time I avoided them, they still continued to renew the truce.
Krushala	posted 07-18-99 01:57 PM ET Who cares, just attack them. You can't spell dishonor without honor.
WyldKarde	posted 07-18-99 08:22 PM ET Seems to be a major oversight on the part of Firaxis. You could declare war in Civ and Civ II, but with SMAC you have to provoke the opposition into doing it. HELLO?? How the sneck did they miss this? Some of us bloodthirsty warmongers like to keep a spotless diplomatic reputation you know.
laurens	posted 07-18-99 09:49 PM ET Well, I don't end truces, I break them most of the time - before the AI gets you frustrated. "Great honours are great burdens."
Natguy	posted 07-22-99 06:07 PM ET Wait until you have your forces repositioned to strike, and ask them to leave your territory. They hate that, so they declare Vendetta. Then your troops pour into their lands from the north, as numberless as leaves upon the wind, sweeping all before them! The surprised defenders are cut down by the Great Army until your troops are wading in a sea of the enemy's blood, as you raise your standard high among the wreckage of the slaughtered foe! Sorry, I felt like a Mongol so I said it like a Mongol would.
Sun_Tzu	posted 07-23-99 02:53 AM ET I just want to put in my two cents. =) What you want to do is annoy the opposition until they get sick of talking to you and they declare Vendetta. Basically this entails Comming them and then making ludicrous demands. If you're in a Blood Truce, just keep on telling them to "get off my land." It works really well when you know that they don't have any units even remotely close to your territory, heh. If you're in a Treaty or Pact, just ask for cities/research/etc and then when they ask "why?" reply with "To refrain from crushing you like a squishy grape" (Yes, I know, it says "bug." Squishy grape just sounds so much better, hehe). If you do this enough then they get really angry and declare Vendetta. I don't know about you guys, but having to go through this whole process annoys ME more than it annoys the AI. I seriously hope that Firaxis puts in some sort of "Declare Vendetta" command in the next patch...
White_Cat	posted 07-25-99 03:19 AM ET I don't really think there should be a honourable way to declare war. After all, if the U.S. called up Mexico tomorrow and said "We're going to go to war with you" and then invaded the next day, they would still be considered the aggressor and become less liked, even though it wasn't a "sneak attack." The only way to avoid the honour hit should be the sneaky way they have now, by provoking your enemy into attacking you (like Otto von Bismarck did in the Franco-Prussion War).
White_Cat	posted 07-25-99 03:24 AM ET I forgot to mention one complaint I have. I don't think really think that your honour should go down if you agree to "join with me to defend against the evils of faction X." (eg. The U.S. wasn't considered bad for joining WW2, because the Axis were obviously the ones at fault.) Perhaps this could be based on whether or not the faction you're declaring vendetta on is the aggressor or not (the computer knows this information; when you say "please call off your attack" the AI will say "But it is the other guy who's attacking me" if they were on the defensive). I also think that your honour should slowly recuperate over time if you stop doing dishonourable deeds. Do you lose honour for commiting atrocities while at war (or nerve stapling), even if the UN Charter is repealed?