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Monkeyboy posted 06-07-99 12:09 PM ET
This is a strange game I'm involved in right now. I'm playing UoP, Transcend, Blind Research, Iron Man.
I started the game close to the PeaceKeepers to the east on a HUGE continent. No biggie, he was friendly, I was friendly, I expanded to the west and prepared for war. He offered a Treaty of Friendship and then a couple of turns later offered a Pact. Great I thought. I took it. Pact Brother #1.
Then I discovered the Gains on an Island due north of the PK's. No biggie, she wasn't that powerful at the time, being friendly. We traded technology. Then she offered Treaty of Friendship. Sure, I thought. I'd rather wait until I have Air Power before I start any really big wars. I took it.
Then I discovered that Holy Bitch Miriam on an island to the northwest of me. Damn. I hate her. And she especially hates UoP. But since I had built up for a war with the PK's, she wasn't TOO aggressive. About this time the Gaians propossed a Pact Brotherhood with me. I acceptted. Pact Brother #2. Rankings at this point. UoP - 1, Gains -2, Believers -3, PK's -4.
Well, The Holy Bitch attacked. I got Air Power. I attacked back. After taking just three bases (although one was her HQ with the Merchant Exchange). She rolled on her back and surrendered. Pact Brother #3.
Now the Top Four Powers (WAY ahead of the Spartans, Hive and Morganites) in a Pact Brother Peace, it's time for some internal building. Only once did war break out between us four (Miram of course), but I was able to persuade peace between the two.
Gaians are slightly ahead of me in the charts..but that's okay. I'm killing her in research....
Off to Transcendance we go in the Wonderful Word of Peace. (Well, okay, I'm slowly killing off the Hive just to give my Air Force something to do...but that's what he gets for not wanting to be Pact Brothers)
Monkeyboy
Natguy posted 06-07-99 12:16 PM ET
Hmmm...Peace? People actually make peace with you? You establish alliances that LAST? Wow!
Whenever I make an alliance they end up cancelling it for some reason, usually that I'm too powerful.
Verminlord posted 06-07-99 12:50 PM ET
I just finished a game as the Gaians where I had atleast a treaty with everyone but the Spartans. I never really attacked, just defended and the Spartans weren't that tough. Then for no apparent reason within 10 turns every one declared a vendetta against me. All of that commerce income gone really hurt. The PK's declared a truce shorly thereafter (they were #2). After about 10 turns of truce, the PK backstabbed me. I asked council to repeal the UN agreement, the vote was 6-1 against. Since everyone had a vendetta against me anyway, I sent a couple of PB's Lal's way . Within 10 turns Morgan asks if I want a truce. Believe it or not. Anyway to make a long story short, I trancended for victory. Every faction had a significant empire going in the end. Not one faction was eliminated. Luckily for me, the Hive and Belivers had their own little war going for most of the game. This was the first game I have played that all factions were fairly sucessful. I just found it interesting.
Ron
Series II posted 06-07-99 01:04 PM ET
Everyone being equal makes peaceful games easier.
If you are way ahead it is time to dogpile on the human player.
Monkeyboy posted 06-07-99 02:17 PM ET
That's what makes it weird. I was way ahead for a while, then dropped to second, even further down during the early parts of the war w/Miriam. Then I rose again. Generally, I've found the computer HATES you if you're first or second. If you're second, the first place person HATES you even more.
I've just never experienced this kind of passive, peace-loving game.
Series II posted 06-07-99 03:07 PM ET
The AI is designed so that the first or second place computer faction DOES hate the other faction.
It makes some sense. No one likes being number 2.
brad posted 06-07-99 07:17 PM ET
I have had some similar games that were quite "peaceful". I play PKs - and when UoP, Gaians, or Morgan are next door I usually can form a pact with at least of of them them. Sometimes there is a small war and I have to take 2 cities, but they they become more or less quiet. In my last game Hive was sandwiched between Believers and Spartans on a big continent, and those three seemed to fight continually, leaving the other four of us to quietly grow.
In these games I do not push ahead too far of the other forces in temrs of military or population - I tend to build a strong defensive force with some counter-attack punch to grab a few cities if someone acts up.
Monkeyboy posted 06-08-99 07:39 AM ET
Well, the Great Peace is growing. I've been hitting Yang (My Air Force wanted to do something other than patrol) and took over two of his cities. He rolled over. Pact Brother #4. The only two left are the two lowest in the rankings...Morgan and the Spartans. I wonder what will happen with Pact Brothers for everyone?
DrPhibes posted 06-08-99 10:22 AM ET
You all hold hands and sing we are the world, Sid Meyer comes and kisses you on both cheeks while draping a garland of hydrabgeas around your neck and bill "sex 'n violence" clinton bombs your house.
HMFIC posted 06-08-99 01:21 PM ET
I know this is off topic and totally uncalled for but I can't help but ask Monkeyboy if, when he was bad, did his father spank the monkey?
MajiK6pt5 posted 06-11-99 02:07 AM ET
lol (i can't help myself)
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well, if you want peace you have to be peaceful too
by the way, provost gets pissed at everyone when he's in 1st place, he thinks that he is all powerful or something...
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Author	Topic: The Great Peace...
Monkeyboy	posted 06-07-99 12:09 PM ET This is a strange game I'm involved in right now. I'm playing UoP, Transcend, Blind Research, Iron Man. I started the game close to the PeaceKeepers to the east on a HUGE continent. No biggie, he was friendly, I was friendly, I expanded to the west and prepared for war. He offered a Treaty of Friendship and then a couple of turns later offered a Pact. Great I thought. I took it. Pact Brother #1. Then I discovered the Gains on an Island due north of the PK's. No biggie, she wasn't that powerful at the time, being friendly. We traded technology. Then she offered Treaty of Friendship. Sure, I thought. I'd rather wait until I have Air Power before I start any really big wars. I took it. Then I discovered that Holy Bitch Miriam on an island to the northwest of me. Damn. I hate her. And she especially hates UoP. But since I had built up for a war with the PK's, she wasn't TOO aggressive. About this time the Gaians propossed a Pact Brotherhood with me. I acceptted. Pact Brother #2. Rankings at this point. UoP - 1, Gains -2, Believers -3, PK's -4. Well, The Holy Bitch attacked. I got Air Power. I attacked back. After taking just three bases (although one was her HQ with the Merchant Exchange). She rolled on her back and surrendered. Pact Brother #3. Now the Top Four Powers (WAY ahead of the Spartans, Hive and Morganites) in a Pact Brother Peace, it's time for some internal building. Only once did war break out between us four (Miram of course), but I was able to persuade peace between the two. Gaians are slightly ahead of me in the charts..but that's okay. I'm killing her in research.... Off to Transcendance we go in the Wonderful Word of Peace. (Well, okay, I'm slowly killing off the Hive just to give my Air Force something to do...but that's what he gets for not wanting to be Pact Brothers) Monkeyboy
Natguy	posted 06-07-99 12:16 PM ET Hmmm...Peace? People actually make peace with you? You establish alliances that LAST? Wow! Whenever I make an alliance they end up cancelling it for some reason, usually that I'm too powerful.
Verminlord	posted 06-07-99 12:50 PM ET I just finished a game as the Gaians where I had atleast a treaty with everyone but the Spartans. I never really attacked, just defended and the Spartans weren't that tough. Then for no apparent reason within 10 turns every one declared a vendetta against me. All of that commerce income gone really hurt. The PK's declared a truce shorly thereafter (they were #2). After about 10 turns of truce, the PK backstabbed me. I asked council to repeal the UN agreement, the vote was 6-1 against. Since everyone had a vendetta against me anyway, I sent a couple of PB's Lal's way . Within 10 turns Morgan asks if I want a truce. Believe it or not. Anyway to make a long story short, I trancended for victory. Every faction had a significant empire going in the end. Not one faction was eliminated. Luckily for me, the Hive and Belivers had their own little war going for most of the game. This was the first game I have played that all factions were fairly sucessful. I just found it interesting. Ron
Series II	posted 06-07-99 01:04 PM ET Everyone being equal makes peaceful games easier. If you are way ahead it is time to dogpile on the human player.
Monkeyboy	posted 06-07-99 02:17 PM ET That's what makes it weird. I was way ahead for a while, then dropped to second, even further down during the early parts of the war w/Miriam. Then I rose again. Generally, I've found the computer HATES you if you're first or second. If you're second, the first place person HATES you even more. I've just never experienced this kind of passive, peace-loving game.
Series II	posted 06-07-99 03:07 PM ET The AI is designed so that the first or second place computer faction DOES hate the other faction. It makes some sense. No one likes being number 2.
brad	posted 06-07-99 07:17 PM ET I have had some similar games that were quite "peaceful". I play PKs - and when UoP, Gaians, or Morgan are next door I usually can form a pact with at least of of them them. Sometimes there is a small war and I have to take 2 cities, but they they become more or less quiet. In my last game Hive was sandwiched between Believers and Spartans on a big continent, and those three seemed to fight continually, leaving the other four of us to quietly grow. In these games I do not push ahead too far of the other forces in temrs of military or population - I tend to build a strong defensive force with some counter-attack punch to grab a few cities if someone acts up.
Monkeyboy	posted 06-08-99 07:39 AM ET Well, the Great Peace is growing. I've been hitting Yang (My Air Force wanted to do something other than patrol) and took over two of his cities. He rolled over. Pact Brother #4. The only two left are the two lowest in the rankings...Morgan and the Spartans. I wonder what will happen with Pact Brothers for everyone?
DrPhibes	posted 06-08-99 10:22 AM ET You all hold hands and sing we are the world, Sid Meyer comes and kisses you on both cheeks while draping a garland of hydrabgeas around your neck and bill "sex 'n violence" clinton bombs your house.
HMFIC	posted 06-08-99 01:21 PM ET I know this is off topic and totally uncalled for but I can't help but ask Monkeyboy if, when he was bad, did his father spank the monkey?
MajiK6pt5	posted 06-11-99 02:07 AM ET lol (i can't help myself) --- well, if you want peace you have to be peaceful too by the way, provost gets pissed at everyone when he's in 1st place, he thinks that he is all powerful or something...