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Smeagol posted 05-11-99 03:02 AM ET
OK, I've tried a different sort of early strategy with the Spartans-- not building any drone facilities but instead using police state for +3 (6 drones suppressed with 3 units). Now, when I want to population boom, I have to switch to democracy, so that's 4 less drones suppressed, and thus I can't grow unless I nerve staple.
So I see that the other factions have imposed "economic sanctions" against me. Big deal. What I'm wondering is how else this affects me-- will the other factions not respect me? Will my reputation decrease signicantly? Any other terrible things that can happen? If not then I like this strategy quite a bit.
trippin daily posted 05-11-99 05:31 AM ET
Don't staple them in the same base to often, they can become immune to it, believe me, it sucks to find that out at an inoppertune moment.
Trippin Daily
K posted 05-11-99 05:33 AM ET
Trust me , I'm the atrocity king.
Any atrocity(from nerve stapling to nerve gas and PB's), UN Charter or no, will cause you to lose Reputation.
If an atrocity is committed while the UN Charter is still in place(the default until the Charter is revoked), then you get trade sactions, which means you get no trade from all Friendship Treatied and Pacted Factions(which can be Very nice if you are producing lots of energy).
Personally, in the early game I find that I don't want Pacts and Treaties because they antagonize my fellow Factions to become enemies, and in the later game I control so many Factions that the Un Charter is revoked and reinstated at my will anyway, so the point is moot. However, keeping REuptaion relati9vely clean can make it much easer to deal with other factions.
High Priest posted 05-11-99 12:35 PM ET
Out of curiousity:
Speaking of Police +3 or more ratings, I often (Using Police State and Ascetic Virtues) put three clean police units in each of my larger cities. Does this prvent nine drones, or twelve? I have yet to figure it out
High Priest
Perplexed
Smeagol posted 05-11-99 12:41 PM ET
High Priest-- If the units have non-lethal methods, you can suppress as many as 9 drones if your Police rating is +3.
Frank Moore posted 05-11-99 12:49 PM ET
Is it true that you can nerve staple during sunspot activity w/out any sanctions from the other factions?
Smeagol posted 05-11-99 12:57 PM ET
I have yet to try that, but it's probably true-- it's my understanding that you can commit almost any atrocity while those spots are around. About when in the game do they usually appear or is it random? If they come early enough that would be a nice advantage.
High Priest posted 05-11-99 01:20 PM ET
Thanx- Smeagol
Frank: Yah, its true. Works with all atrocities except PBs and the faction you do it to.
(Hasn't this already come up?)
High Priest
Losing his mind
Wolf Dreamer posted 05-11-99 02:52 PM ET
I've been gassing all of Miriam's bases to extinction, and yet I still have a noble rating. After you repeal the UN charter, you can commit that atrocity as much as you want.
Smeagol posted 05-11-99 03:02 PM ET
Yeah, but I'm talking about early game atrocities, before the option even exists to repeal the UN charter. Still, gasing with no charter works rather well until you realize the eco-damage you've done and have hordes of mindworms and locusts coming at you. Or at least so I've heard.
Submachinegun posted 05-11-99 09:34 PM ET
Please help a non-english, curios smac player. What exactly is nerve stapling. I mean, what
do you do to a person when you nerve staple him?
Urban Ranger posted 05-12-99 04:53 AM ET
Sub:
He's dead, toasted, gone.
DeVore posted 05-12-99 07:42 AM ET
Don't forget that even if the UN charter is repealled any faction you commit an atrocy against will get way pissed at you. (Like in no going back).
Also I'm pretty sure that Nerve Gas doesn't have any impact at all on Planet as I used it in abundance in almost all my games and I don't experience the crazy worm attacks others write about here.
/Dev
/Dev
Plato90s posted 05-12-99 08:06 AM ET
Nerve stapling is about the equivalent of a frontal lobotomy. Part of your brain is made inert to make you extremely suggestible to orders.
ApcJK posted 05-12-99 01:38 PM ET
Btw can you gas mind worms?
K posted 05-12-99 05:22 PM ET
Sunspots are like the UN charter being revoked. Your reputation is ****ed, but no trade sanctions.
And any atrocity will Permanently piss off the faction you used it on.
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Author	Topic: How bad is nerve stapling?
Smeagol	posted 05-11-99 03:02 AM ET OK, I've tried a different sort of early strategy with the Spartans-- not building any drone facilities but instead using police state for +3 (6 drones suppressed with 3 units). Now, when I want to population boom, I have to switch to democracy, so that's 4 less drones suppressed, and thus I can't grow unless I nerve staple. So I see that the other factions have imposed "economic sanctions" against me. Big deal. What I'm wondering is how else this affects me-- will the other factions not respect me? Will my reputation decrease signicantly? Any other terrible things that can happen? If not then I like this strategy quite a bit.
trippin daily	posted 05-11-99 05:31 AM ET Don't staple them in the same base to often, they can become immune to it, believe me, it sucks to find that out at an inoppertune moment. Trippin Daily
K	posted 05-11-99 05:33 AM ET Trust me , I'm the atrocity king. Any atrocity(from nerve stapling to nerve gas and PB's), UN Charter or no, will cause you to lose Reputation. If an atrocity is committed while the UN Charter is still in place(the default until the Charter is revoked), then you get trade sactions, which means you get no trade from all Friendship Treatied and Pacted Factions(which can be Very nice if you are producing lots of energy). Personally, in the early game I find that I don't want Pacts and Treaties because they antagonize my fellow Factions to become enemies, and in the later game I control so many Factions that the Un Charter is revoked and reinstated at my will anyway, so the point is moot. However, keeping REuptaion relati9vely clean can make it much easer to deal with other factions.
High Priest	posted 05-11-99 12:35 PM ET Out of curiousity: Speaking of Police +3 or more ratings, I often (Using Police State and Ascetic Virtues) put three clean police units in each of my larger cities. Does this prvent nine drones, or twelve? I have yet to figure it out High Priest Perplexed
Smeagol	posted 05-11-99 12:41 PM ET High Priest-- If the units have non-lethal methods, you can suppress as many as 9 drones if your Police rating is +3.
Frank Moore	posted 05-11-99 12:49 PM ET Is it true that you can nerve staple during sunspot activity w/out any sanctions from the other factions?
Smeagol	posted 05-11-99 12:57 PM ET I have yet to try that, but it's probably true-- it's my understanding that you can commit almost any atrocity while those spots are around. About when in the game do they usually appear or is it random? If they come early enough that would be a nice advantage.
High Priest	posted 05-11-99 01:20 PM ET Thanx- Smeagol Frank: Yah, its true. Works with all atrocities except PBs and the faction you do it to. (Hasn't this already come up?) High Priest Losing his mind
Wolf Dreamer	posted 05-11-99 02:52 PM ET I've been gassing all of Miriam's bases to extinction, and yet I still have a noble rating. After you repeal the UN charter, you can commit that atrocity as much as you want.
Smeagol	posted 05-11-99 03:02 PM ET Yeah, but I'm talking about early game atrocities, before the option even exists to repeal the UN charter. Still, gasing with no charter works rather well until you realize the eco-damage you've done and have hordes of mindworms and locusts coming at you. Or at least so I've heard.
Submachinegun	posted 05-11-99 09:34 PM ET Please help a non-english, curios smac player. What exactly is nerve stapling. I mean, what do you do to a person when you nerve staple him?
Urban Ranger	posted 05-12-99 04:53 AM ET Sub: He's dead, toasted, gone.
DeVore	posted 05-12-99 07:42 AM ET Don't forget that even if the UN charter is repealled any faction you commit an atrocy against will get way pissed at you. (Like in no going back). Also I'm pretty sure that Nerve Gas doesn't have any impact at all on Planet as I used it in abundance in almost all my games and I don't experience the crazy worm attacks others write about here. /Dev /Dev
Plato90s	posted 05-12-99 08:06 AM ET Nerve stapling is about the equivalent of a frontal lobotomy. Part of your brain is made inert to make you extremely suggestible to orders.
ApcJK	posted 05-12-99 01:38 PM ET Btw can you gas mind worms?
K	posted 05-12-99 05:22 PM ET Sunspots are like the UN charter being revoked. Your reputation is ****ed, but no trade sanctions. And any atrocity will Permanently piss off the faction you used it on.