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akathisia posted 05-02-99 10:56 AM ET
After whooping Santiago into a submissive Pact, an election was called to vote on throwing out the UN Charter. I asked her to vote NAY and she demanded 3 techs from me to vote my way.
She DEMANDED anything ?!?!? I thought if the computer was submissive they would vote the way you wanted always. This happened in a number of elections with Santiago. And no, she wasn't strong enough to try to break the pact.
Anyone else have this happen?

sandworm posted 05-02-99 12:04 PM ET
Yep, outright ridiculous demands, too.
Plato90s posted 05-02-99 01:02 PM ET
It's one of those weird things. Submissiveness apparently don't extend into the Planetary Council.
seth5454 posted 05-02-99 03:59 PM ET
seth5454
yes, constantly, you think she would be grateful to you for letting her live.
R A Spottiswood posted 05-03-99 01:07 AM ET
I have found that as well. There is -- or should be -- a way around it. Call the surrendered leader up beforehand and demand that she vote the way you want her to. That should get you the vote for free. I have also found it is less expensive to bribe someone before a Council meeting then during it.
RAS
Necromncr posted 05-03-99 04:30 PM ET
I am playing a game at the moment as Santiago (I _always_ play Santiago -- I hate paying extra for those annoying prototypes, and the scout rover at the beginning is a big help). Playing on the huge map of Planet (always play on huge maps too, I like long games), I started on that continent with the Garland Crater and Uranium Fields. After running into Morgan in the first 25 years or so, I built a load of laser speeders and crushed him into a submissive pact by 2200 (he was left with about 5 cities on the east coast of the continent).
The next part is what was weird -- Dierdre, who was across the ocean to the west, was sharing that continent with Lal. They were engaged in a brutal struggle and Yang (who I had been at war with forever) got Dierdre to come in an fight me. After skirmishing with her troops for a little while, I told Dierdre she could screw off and I was coming for her -- and, despite the fact that she was tied for the lead with Yang almost (I was a very close second), she surrenderred to me! I was pretty surprised, but I was like....uh....okay. Then I proceeded to help her kick Lal around (and gave a lot of cities to Morgan to prop him up) and Lal surrendered to me as well. So far so good -- only Yang and Miriam were left to resist the growing Spartan Empire.
Until DIERDRE called for a vote to elect her Supreme Leader! What is up with that? she didn't succeed, since I shot that down real quick, but the mere fact that my subservient little slave Dierdre DARED to think she could get away with that made me....unhappy. Does anyone else think that vassal states should not be able to try and become supreme leader? I also think that they should just cough up their council votes for you, otherwise, what's the point?
I solved this little flaw by demanding that Dierdre hand over the city she had that contained the Empath Guild (and she would give me that for cheaper than it would have been for me to buy the votes -- and I did not do the swap cities cheat), but this should just not happen....
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Author	Topic: Submissive Santiago and Elections
akathisia	posted 05-02-99 10:56 AM ET After whooping Santiago into a submissive Pact, an election was called to vote on throwing out the UN Charter. I asked her to vote NAY and she demanded 3 techs from me to vote my way. She DEMANDED anything ?!?!? I thought if the computer was submissive they would vote the way you wanted always. This happened in a number of elections with Santiago. And no, she wasn't strong enough to try to break the pact. Anyone else have this happen?
sandworm	posted 05-02-99 12:04 PM ET Yep, outright ridiculous demands, too.
Plato90s	posted 05-02-99 01:02 PM ET It's one of those weird things. Submissiveness apparently don't extend into the Planetary Council.
seth5454	posted 05-02-99 03:59 PM ET seth5454 yes, constantly, you think she would be grateful to you for letting her live.
R A Spottiswood	posted 05-03-99 01:07 AM ET I have found that as well. There is -- or should be -- a way around it. Call the surrendered leader up beforehand and demand that she vote the way you want her to. That should get you the vote for free. I have also found it is less expensive to bribe someone before a Council meeting then during it. RAS
Necromncr	posted 05-03-99 04:30 PM ET I am playing a game at the moment as Santiago (I _always_ play Santiago -- I hate paying extra for those annoying prototypes, and the scout rover at the beginning is a big help). Playing on the huge map of Planet (always play on huge maps too, I like long games), I started on that continent with the Garland Crater and Uranium Fields. After running into Morgan in the first 25 years or so, I built a load of laser speeders and crushed him into a submissive pact by 2200 (he was left with about 5 cities on the east coast of the continent). The next part is what was weird -- Dierdre, who was across the ocean to the west, was sharing that continent with Lal. They were engaged in a brutal struggle and Yang (who I had been at war with forever) got Dierdre to come in an fight me. After skirmishing with her troops for a little while, I told Dierdre she could screw off and I was coming for her -- and, despite the fact that she was tied for the lead with Yang almost (I was a very close second), she surrenderred to me! I was pretty surprised, but I was like....uh....okay. Then I proceeded to help her kick Lal around (and gave a lot of cities to Morgan to prop him up) and Lal surrendered to me as well. So far so good -- only Yang and Miriam were left to resist the growing Spartan Empire. Until DIERDRE called for a vote to elect her Supreme Leader! What is up with that? she didn't succeed, since I shot that down real quick, but the mere fact that my subservient little slave Dierdre DARED to think she could get away with that made me....unhappy. Does anyone else think that vassal states should not be able to try and become supreme leader? I also think that they should just cough up their council votes for you, otherwise, what's the point? I solved this little flaw by demanding that Dierdre hand over the city she had that contained the Empath Guild (and she would give me that for cheaper than it would have been for me to buy the votes -- and I did not do the swap cities cheat), but this should just not happen....