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Alphaman posted 04-30-99 03:28 AM ET
... how do you stop it???
Have built Preserve, Tree Farm , Hybrid etc and still get WAY too much pollution (fungus)
The huge pile of mindworms that erupt every time is not helping either.
Suggestions??
iak posted 04-30-99 07:04 AM ET
Decrease your mineral production. Either move citizens to work on squares that give less minerals, or scrap some facilities that increase your mineral output. Of course, after the worms destroy sufficient amount of forest and mines, the ecodamage will tend to decrease due to the fact that the squares will give you less minerals, but that's not probably the way you have in mind.
Nessus mining stations will give you clean (no ecodamage) minerals, but the risk of relying on them is that an asteroid may strike Nessus and goodbye production. That'll hurt sea-bases unless you built some mining platforms (but in my opinion the sole purpose of sea-bases is to pump out energy, just buy the facilities).
There's some other facilities that help with ecology, but I don't remember them because I've learned to keep the damage in check and lately I've just bought things (yes, I've been playing Morgan), some SP I guess will help too (anyone remember which one?). Seeing a base of size 13 drop down to size 5 in one turn due to mindworms is an educating experience. And that was my top-production base.
And don't build the Bulk Matter Transmitter SP (I think it was that, very late game and useless because ecodamage shoots through the roof). That SP in particular is a suicidal thing to build. I had lowered my ecodamage to 20+ from 50+ with Preserve and just before transcending I built it (just for the score). Result? Ecodamage 108 (or so). Actually it was amusing.
StargazerBC posted 04-30-99 07:14 AM ET
Temple of Planet and Centauri Preserve? reduces eco-damage too. Increasing your PLANET rating via Social Engineering to a higher number will definitely help. Planting forest do not increase eco-damage; everything else does.
Resource Consumer posted 04-30-99 07:19 AM ET
Doesn't the Xenoempathy Dome help with Ecodamage or is it the Pholus Mutugen?
Resource Consumer
- at work and consequently ill-informed about things that matter -
StargazerBC posted 04-30-99 08:53 AM ET
Ayep. About 3-4 SP's reduce the variables that cause ec-damage. There's one that reduces mineral effects along with reducing needed mineral up keep (Self-Aware Colony?) There's one that reduces eco-damage due to heavy population (one of the att's of telepath-matri). Well, bunch of SP's out there to help (also at work, no manual ). In fact, Eco-damage should be Zero if you're building the buildings, SP's, and foresting.
Btw, PB'ing increases eco-damage in all your cities.
Johnny V posted 04-30-99 08:55 AM ET
How do you know what your faction total eco damage is. I know where to find it for a given base, but can you find your total somewhere. I have the votes to lower the oceans, does that have any down side? I was thinking about doing it as a preemptive strike because I think the game melts the polar caps just for fun no matter what the ecodamage is.
sandworm posted 04-30-99 09:21 AM ET
I've noticed that the 20 year, increased planet life at perihelion cycle tends to increase ecodamage in all cities as well. Fortunately, that problem takes care of itself if you can hold out long enough.
I seem to find a lot of fungus covered squares when I lower oceans, but that could be a result of my removing fungus everywhere else already, making it look like there's more. (If I hadn't removed any fungus at all in my early terraforming, the newly uncovered terrain -might- appear much like what was already above sea level). Otherwise, I've seen no major problems with lowering sea levels. This often opens of land bridges to other continents, which may or may not be a good thing. Be prepared if Yang is waiting on the other shore.
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Author	Topic: EcoDamage...
Alphaman	posted 04-30-99 03:28 AM ET ... how do you stop it??? Have built Preserve, Tree Farm , Hybrid etc and still get WAY too much pollution (fungus) The huge pile of mindworms that erupt every time is not helping either. Suggestions??
iak	posted 04-30-99 07:04 AM ET Decrease your mineral production. Either move citizens to work on squares that give less minerals, or scrap some facilities that increase your mineral output. Of course, after the worms destroy sufficient amount of forest and mines, the ecodamage will tend to decrease due to the fact that the squares will give you less minerals, but that's not probably the way you have in mind. Nessus mining stations will give you clean (no ecodamage) minerals, but the risk of relying on them is that an asteroid may strike Nessus and goodbye production. That'll hurt sea-bases unless you built some mining platforms (but in my opinion the sole purpose of sea-bases is to pump out energy, just buy the facilities). There's some other facilities that help with ecology, but I don't remember them because I've learned to keep the damage in check and lately I've just bought things (yes, I've been playing Morgan), some SP I guess will help too (anyone remember which one?). Seeing a base of size 13 drop down to size 5 in one turn due to mindworms is an educating experience. And that was my top-production base. And don't build the Bulk Matter Transmitter SP (I think it was that, very late game and useless because ecodamage shoots through the roof). That SP in particular is a suicidal thing to build. I had lowered my ecodamage to 20+ from 50+ with Preserve and just before transcending I built it (just for the score). Result? Ecodamage 108 (or so). Actually it was amusing.
StargazerBC	posted 04-30-99 07:14 AM ET Temple of Planet and Centauri Preserve? reduces eco-damage too. Increasing your PLANET rating via Social Engineering to a higher number will definitely help. Planting forest do not increase eco-damage; everything else does.
Resource Consumer	posted 04-30-99 07:19 AM ET Doesn't the Xenoempathy Dome help with Ecodamage or is it the Pholus Mutugen? Resource Consumer - at work and consequently ill-informed about things that matter -
StargazerBC	posted 04-30-99 08:53 AM ET Ayep. About 3-4 SP's reduce the variables that cause ec-damage. There's one that reduces mineral effects along with reducing needed mineral up keep (Self-Aware Colony?) There's one that reduces eco-damage due to heavy population (one of the att's of telepath-matri). Well, bunch of SP's out there to help (also at work, no manual ). In fact, Eco-damage should be Zero if you're building the buildings, SP's, and foresting. Btw, PB'ing increases eco-damage in all your cities.
Johnny V	posted 04-30-99 08:55 AM ET How do you know what your faction total eco damage is. I know where to find it for a given base, but can you find your total somewhere. I have the votes to lower the oceans, does that have any down side? I was thinking about doing it as a preemptive strike because I think the game melts the polar caps just for fun no matter what the ecodamage is.
sandworm	posted 04-30-99 09:21 AM ET I've noticed that the 20 year, increased planet life at perihelion cycle tends to increase ecodamage in all cities as well. Fortunately, that problem takes care of itself if you can hold out long enough. I seem to find a lot of fungus covered squares when I lower oceans, but that could be a result of my removing fungus everywhere else already, making it look like there's more. (If I hadn't removed any fungus at all in my early terraforming, the newly uncovered terrain -might- appear much like what was already above sea level). Otherwise, I've seen no major problems with lowering sea levels. This often opens of land bridges to other continents, which may or may not be a good thing. Be prepared if Yang is waiting on the other shore.