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Alkis posted 07-06-99 11:53 AM ET
I sign NOT to bring him back. This guy has offended many people. It's not Democracy having someone using his swearing and vulgar language to terrorize people. I cannot compete with him on that level to begin with. So what am I supposed to do? Just tolerate him?
To exppress an opinion about the game is one thing. But to say :
"It is basically bull**** (the game) with a bottle of perfume poured on it to make it somewhat desireable. Brian and Sid were too busy seeing which one of them has a stick shoved further up their ass than the other to actually write a whole new game engine which is balanced."
is something else. These were his exact words on the thread SMAC is dead.
This was just an example. I think some of you got used to his behaviour and you consider it normal. I don't. Or maybe it's because he has treated you well (you know the scenario, you flatter him and he leaves you alone). In one occasion where he tried to, well, "apologize" he said that he had been using drugs and that was his excuse. Typical in my opinion for someone who doesn't accept responsibility for his actions.
However I want to clarify that I wasn't the one who send the complain to Firaxis.
As things are now he has this alternative, to use a new name and behave well. But instead he uses handles like, Jamsuckthis, or Firaxissucks. Some people never learn.
This place would be much better without people like him.
P.S. Everyone knows who I' m talking about, right?
evil_conquerer posted 07-06-99 12:25 PM ET
You're saying that trippn' daily (and yes I am using his real name, what's with you skipping around it) should be banned because he said SMAC sucks. If he didn't express his opinions about the game, would he still be banned? Most of us think not. I agree that he deserved to be banned for swearing, but so did many other people who were not banned. That's why I made the petition -- trip had to promise that he won't use swearing, and JKM had to promise to ban people based on violation of the rules, not based on what he said about the team or the game. Since nobody else got banned for swearing, trip deserves to be reinstated. From then on, *everybody* should be prosecuted *objectively* for swearing.
HelloKitty posted 07-06-99 12:55 PM ET
You're welcome to your opinion but for all the others see you at
http://www.an.i-dentity.com/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
Kitty
evil_conquerer posted 07-06-99 01:57 PM ET
What is this? A massive advertising campaign for the new forum? Please post all such messages in the *off-topic* forum where they belong. Advertising on this forum for a competing forum is not only bad form, it's *very* tacky bad form.
tfs99 posted 07-06-99 02:39 PM ET
Things that make you go: "hmmmmmmm ..."
Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Didst thou have similar objections posted re: Apolyton and AC Nexus @ Sidgames?
Hmmmmmmm ...
SMAC n ... Ted S.
LackOfKnack posted 07-06-99 03:30 PM ET
I swear, I don't work for them!
Lack
evil_conquerer posted 07-06-99 03:45 PM ET
I don't remember that thread, so I probably didn't reply to it . Back then, I was mostly a lurker -- 100 posts in about 5 months (since Decmeber)!
Bossman posted 07-06-99 04:39 PM ET
Right proof...

SMAC SUCKS!!!!!
SMAC SUCKS!!!!!
SMAC SUCKS!!!!!
I LOVE CTP!!!!!
ITS A GREAT GAME!!!!
PLEASE, PLEASE BAN ME!!!!
Lets see if I get banned, and if I dont then your argument is, to put it frankly, crap.
Darkstar posted 07-06-99 05:07 PM ET
Bossman, you didn't make any statements OTHER than its crap. You didn't say that its a total rip of Civ2 with a few minor changes to the Art and a subtle graphics engine change.
You didn't attack Brian and Sid and Jeff as all snot drooling idiots to busy counting their money to diddle each other.
Just saying SMAC sucks won't get you banned. It gets you flamed by the fanatics. When you start to defend your statements (Tech levels suck at/after 6 - Chagarra) you start getting personally attacked a lot more by people how have all passion and no logical counterpoint. You go any further, and most of the replies are very nasty personal attacks.
Trip insulted and flamed those who made the game with the same amount of energy that is usually focused on people that say SMAC sucks. He was banned for trash talking them AND trashing out the game with his beliefs. If Firaxis would just admit that that's why they banned him, and no matter how nice or nasty he is being about NEW ids, they trash those on SUSPECTING its TD, we could then move on. But they won't because MOST of the people would just leave this forum. So they are trapped between us whining and gnashing our proverbial teeth over the injustice, and admitting to the truth and losing most everyone here to other forums. Hey, would I dare talk about strategy and tactics that exploit the general A-not-I tactics here? Nope. They might ban me as picking on BR.
Alkis, this is more than about whether Trip gets a potty mouth. This is about Unfair Treatment and Injustice. Trip rarely flamed me, but its as easy to flame back without using *-*-*-*.
Trip did go off. He said he was off his rocker due to the meds, but that wasn't (according to him) any excuse for being NASTY and SMALL and using naughty words. He'd apologize to anyone that thought he was out of line, and he agreed. As I recall, he did apologize for using nasty words to those who asked, although he kept on attacking the issues irritating him.
-Darkstar
Bossman posted 07-06-99 05:15 PM ET
Yowwww!!!!
VERY rarely do you get the Bossman put in his place. Enjoy this momentary victory for it shall be short lived.
From now on im keeping the old 'bouche' 'ferme' in my very best french, over matters I havent a clue about!
Freddz posted 07-06-99 05:16 PM ET
Boss: Yeah, if you get banned we have a serious clue to this mystery.
Alkis: (I won't get into the "Wank did the same agrument". We have all heard it, and I think it's correct if I remember right.)
I really can understand your view. However, Trippin started that thread and attacked Firaxis. It must have been possible to avoid discussing with Trippin if you(where you involved?)/other people felt he used such terrible language in the first place. I avoid lots of threads, or at least used to, when people whom I didn't particularly liked started them. That's daily business in here. More, I know a couple of people who I wouldn't volunteer to start an argument with simply 'cause I know we have too different views. I mean, what's the point when two people start head-bashing steel walls. Neither wall's gonna bend right? .
BUT, to summarize your argument, it seems you want Trippin gone more because he said annoying things about other persons in here or Firaxians, not because he used foul language?
I do understand that point more than the foul language point. But I have to say, sorry, being rude is a privilige we all have here. Obviously, using bad language is another privilage everyone has, well, except Trippin that is.
So, set Trppin free!

By the way, you have a very good memory Alkis. Wasn't that thread, whatever its name was, gone? Of course, this must be another conspiracy theory.
Alkis posted 07-06-99 07:28 PM ET
To answer or not to answer...
The temptation is great, I can't resist.
Let me state first that I' m not one of those people who praise the game blindly. I' ve posted messages about the game having many bugs, that it could have been a lot better, that the companies underestimate our intelligence etc. So this is not the point. Furthermore some of my posts were angry. Nevertheless I wasn't banned, (only flamed by the fanatics). Do you want to hear an irony? One of the hatefull responses was by Trippin who apparently liked the game at that time.
Also the point is not about a bad word or two. It's about the language combined with a negativity and hate that no one else ever exppressed on this forum.
I think the people at Firaxis are very tolerant and it's a shame that some posters try to provoke them. On the other hand I have great respect for people who try to protest in a constructive way. Like evil_conquerer for instance.
Bear in mind that I just exppress my own personal opinion here. I wasn't the one who bannished him. I agree, but for my own reasons.
To summarise everything in one sentence:
Trippin's posts were the most hatefull and offending.
P.S. Fredz, that thread is still on my browser. Not that I don't have a very good memory.
jimmytrick posted 07-06-99 10:13 PM ET
evil_conquerer:
Putting aside what is and is not tacky or bad form; who the hell are you to tell Kitty or anybody else where they should or should not post?
MoSe posted 07-07-99 08:08 AM ET
I'm busy with SMACing instead of Foruming for a few days, and look at the mess!
Hey, evil_cop, maybe I should send some winter pics of mine, so that you could check. If you don't like the color of one of the scarves I sport, you'd have a great occasion for starting another banning petition
Mario Squillace
Scarf - Ace
Geeez.... Puritans!!!
(I make a point of being tolerant, and, you know? the hardest is understanding sheer plain stupidity)
evil_conquerer posted 07-07-99 08:58 AM ET
Jimmytrick: They can post whatever they feel like. But in the same way, I have the right to tell them that the message should probably go somewhere else. Also in the same way, they have the right to ignore me and stay here, if they should chose to do so. I respect your right to have an opinion, even if I don't agree with it, and that's the problem JKM has. No matter how little he wants to admit it, he banned trip partly because of his statements about SMAC. Don't get me wrong -- trip should've been banned; just for a different reason.
Jacob,
who can change every argument into one about Firaxis
Shining1 posted 07-08-99 08:07 AM ET
EC: Yeah, but tragicially, if you read the forum rules and conditions, they left that clause out .
Besides, anyone who bothers to frequent these forums should know that a personal attack from trip isn't meant as a serious attack on one's dignity, it's just the way he approaches such things. With flame. Some people find argumentum ad hominum offensive - well, that's the whole point of doing it. But if you take trip seriously, or at least think he's speaking in cold blood and truly, deeply means what he says, you're wrong.
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Author	Topic: DON'T bring him back!
Alkis	posted 07-06-99 11:53 AM ET I sign NOT to bring him back. This guy has offended many people. It's not Democracy having someone using his swearing and vulgar language to terrorize people. I cannot compete with him on that level to begin with. So what am I supposed to do? Just tolerate him? To exppress an opinion about the game is one thing. But to say : "It is basically bull**** (the game) with a bottle of perfume poured on it to make it somewhat desireable. Brian and Sid were too busy seeing which one of them has a stick shoved further up their ass than the other to actually write a whole new game engine which is balanced." is something else. These were his exact words on the thread SMAC is dead. This was just an example. I think some of you got used to his behaviour and you consider it normal. I don't. Or maybe it's because he has treated you well (you know the scenario, you flatter him and he leaves you alone). In one occasion where he tried to, well, "apologize" he said that he had been using drugs and that was his excuse. Typical in my opinion for someone who doesn't accept responsibility for his actions. However I want to clarify that I wasn't the one who send the complain to Firaxis. As things are now he has this alternative, to use a new name and behave well. But instead he uses handles like, Jamsuckthis, or Firaxissucks. Some people never learn. This place would be much better without people like him. P.S. Everyone knows who I' m talking about, right?
evil_conquerer	posted 07-06-99 12:25 PM ET You're saying that trippn' daily (and yes I am using his real name, what's with you skipping around it) should be banned because he said SMAC sucks. If he didn't express his opinions about the game, would he still be banned? Most of us think not. I agree that he deserved to be banned for swearing, but so did many other people who were not banned. That's why I made the petition -- trip had to promise that he won't use swearing, and JKM had to promise to ban people based on violation of the rules, not based on what he said about the team or the game. Since nobody else got banned for swearing, trip deserves to be reinstated. From then on, everybody should be prosecuted objectively for swearing.
HelloKitty	posted 07-06-99 12:55 PM ET You're welcome to your opinion but for all the others see you at http://www.an.i-dentity.com/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro Kitty
evil_conquerer	posted 07-06-99 01:57 PM ET What is this? A massive advertising campaign for the new forum? Please post all such messages in the off-topic forum where they belong. Advertising on this forum for a competing forum is not only bad form, it's very tacky bad form.
tfs99	posted 07-06-99 02:39 PM ET Things that make you go: "hmmmmmmm ..." Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Didst thou have similar objections posted re: Apolyton and AC Nexus @ Sidgames? Hmmmmmmm ... SMAC n ... Ted S.
LackOfKnack	posted 07-06-99 03:30 PM ET I swear, I don't work for them! Lack
evil_conquerer	posted 07-06-99 03:45 PM ET I don't remember that thread, so I probably didn't reply to it . Back then, I was mostly a lurker -- 100 posts in about 5 months (since Decmeber)!
Bossman	posted 07-06-99 04:39 PM ET Right proof... SMAC SUCKS!!!!! SMAC SUCKS!!!!! SMAC SUCKS!!!!! I LOVE CTP!!!!! ITS A GREAT GAME!!!! PLEASE, PLEASE BAN ME!!!! Lets see if I get banned, and if I dont then your argument is, to put it frankly, crap.
Darkstar	posted 07-06-99 05:07 PM ET Bossman, you didn't make any statements OTHER than its crap. You didn't say that its a total rip of Civ2 with a few minor changes to the Art and a subtle graphics engine change. You didn't attack Brian and Sid and Jeff as all snot drooling idiots to busy counting their money to diddle each other. Just saying SMAC sucks won't get you banned. It gets you flamed by the fanatics. When you start to defend your statements (Tech levels suck at/after 6 - Chagarra) you start getting personally attacked a lot more by people how have all passion and no logical counterpoint. You go any further, and most of the replies are very nasty personal attacks. Trip insulted and flamed those who made the game with the same amount of energy that is usually focused on people that say SMAC sucks. He was banned for trash talking them AND trashing out the game with his beliefs. If Firaxis would just admit that that's why they banned him, and no matter how nice or nasty he is being about NEW ids, they trash those on SUSPECTING its TD, we could then move on. But they won't because MOST of the people would just leave this forum. So they are trapped between us whining and gnashing our proverbial teeth over the injustice, and admitting to the truth and losing most everyone here to other forums. Hey, would I dare talk about strategy and tactics that exploit the general A-not-I tactics here? Nope. They might ban me as picking on BR. Alkis, this is more than about whether Trip gets a potty mouth. This is about Unfair Treatment and Injustice. Trip rarely flamed me, but its as easy to flame back without using ---. Trip did go off. He said he was off his rocker due to the meds, but that wasn't (according to him) any excuse for being NASTY and SMALL and using naughty words. He'd apologize to anyone that thought he was out of line, and he agreed. As I recall, he did apologize for using nasty words to those who asked, although he kept on attacking the issues irritating him. -Darkstar
Bossman	posted 07-06-99 05:15 PM ET Yowwww!!!! VERY rarely do you get the Bossman put in his place. Enjoy this momentary victory for it shall be short lived. From now on im keeping the old 'bouche' 'ferme' in my very best french, over matters I havent a clue about!
Freddz	posted 07-06-99 05:16 PM ET Boss: Yeah, if you get banned we have a serious clue to this mystery. Alkis: (I won't get into the "Wank did the same agrument". We have all heard it, and I think it's correct if I remember right.) I really can understand your view. However, Trippin started that thread and attacked Firaxis. It must have been possible to avoid discussing with Trippin if you(where you involved?)/other people felt he used such terrible language in the first place. I avoid lots of threads, or at least used to, when people whom I didn't particularly liked started them. That's daily business in here. More, I know a couple of people who I wouldn't volunteer to start an argument with simply 'cause I know we have too different views. I mean, what's the point when two people start head-bashing steel walls. Neither wall's gonna bend right? . BUT, to summarize your argument, it seems you want Trippin gone more because he said annoying things about other persons in here or Firaxians, not because he used foul language? I do understand that point more than the foul language point. But I have to say, sorry, being rude is a privilige we all have here. Obviously, using bad language is another privilage everyone has, well, except Trippin that is. So, set Trppin free! By the way, you have a very good memory Alkis. Wasn't that thread, whatever its name was, gone? Of course, this must be another conspiracy theory.
Alkis	posted 07-06-99 07:28 PM ET To answer or not to answer... The temptation is great, I can't resist. Let me state first that I' m not one of those people who praise the game blindly. I' ve posted messages about the game having many bugs, that it could have been a lot better, that the companies underestimate our intelligence etc. So this is not the point. Furthermore some of my posts were angry. Nevertheless I wasn't banned, (only flamed by the fanatics). Do you want to hear an irony? One of the hatefull responses was by Trippin who apparently liked the game at that time. Also the point is not about a bad word or two. It's about the language combined with a negativity and hate that no one else ever exppressed on this forum. I think the people at Firaxis are very tolerant and it's a shame that some posters try to provoke them. On the other hand I have great respect for people who try to protest in a constructive way. Like evil_conquerer for instance. Bear in mind that I just exppress my own personal opinion here. I wasn't the one who bannished him. I agree, but for my own reasons. To summarise everything in one sentence: Trippin's posts were the most hatefull and offending. P.S. Fredz, that thread is still on my browser. Not that I don't have a very good memory.
jimmytrick	posted 07-06-99 10:13 PM ET evil_conquerer: Putting aside what is and is not tacky or bad form; who the hell are you to tell Kitty or anybody else where they should or should not post?
MoSe	posted 07-07-99 08:08 AM ET I'm busy with SMACing instead of Foruming for a few days, and look at the mess! Hey, evil_cop, maybe I should send some winter pics of mine, so that you could check. If you don't like the color of one of the scarves I sport, you'd have a great occasion for starting another banning petition Mario Squillace Scarf - Ace Geeez.... Puritans!!! (I make a point of being tolerant, and, you know? the hardest is understanding sheer plain stupidity)
evil_conquerer	posted 07-07-99 08:58 AM ET Jimmytrick: They can post whatever they feel like. But in the same way, I have the right to tell them that the message should probably go somewhere else. Also in the same way, they have the right to ignore me and stay here, if they should chose to do so. I respect your right to have an opinion, even if I don't agree with it, and that's the problem JKM has. No matter how little he wants to admit it, he banned trip partly because of his statements about SMAC. Don't get me wrong -- trip should've been banned; just for a different reason. Jacob, who can change every argument into one about Firaxis
Shining1	posted 07-08-99 08:07 AM ET EC: Yeah, but tragicially, if you read the forum rules and conditions, they left that clause out . Besides, anyone who bothers to frequent these forums should know that a personal attack from trip isn't meant as a serious attack on one's dignity, it's just the way he approaches such things. With flame. Some people find argumentum ad hominum offensive - well, that's the whole point of doing it. But if you take trip seriously, or at least think he's speaking in cold blood and truly, deeply means what he says, you're wrong.