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Topic: CTP get 97%
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Andrews |
posted 04-07-99 11:31 PM ET
Yeah, CTP get 97% in GameOver. I think this is a much fair review of CTP than Gamecenter
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Andrews
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posted 04-07-99 11:33 PM ET
One more thing, SMAC got 87% on GameOver. |
TheClockKing
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posted 04-07-99 11:58 PM ET
Then its not a fair review, just out of curiosity what did MGE get? |
Latin
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posted 04-08-99 12:24 AM ET
I'm a quasi-newbie so this may be a stupid question. . .What is "Gameover"? I have not heard of them. Is that a gaming magazine (published magazine, online or both)? Do they have a web site and if so what is it? |
TheClockKing
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posted 04-08-99 12:27 AM ET
I think it is at www.game-over.net |
Imran Siddiqui
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posted 04-08-99 01:43 AM ET
Supposedly it is a game magazine. Not any reputable one though. I'll wait for Gamespot to come out with a review (on the other hand, CTP ads are all over Gamespot! If anyone is buying reviews....)Imran Siddiqui |
Shining1
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posted 04-08-99 01:45 AM ET
Imran: They can buy ads, even if they can't buy reviews. Dune 2000 was similarly advertised, and got a very fair score of 5.1 |
Andrews
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posted 04-08-99 02:08 AM ET
Yeah, I know that gameover is not the most reputable one but neither is gamecenter.. Guess we'll have to wait until gamespot and PC magazine rate CTP. |
edromia
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posted 04-08-99 11:29 AM ET
The CTP review seemed fair enough, although he did fall into a couple of Infamous Bad Reviewer Traps (e.g., one reason why CTP is good is the fact that SMAC isn't as good).The SMAC review, on the other hand, was just sad. Lots of hipshot opinions without really going into depth about *why* he felt that way or *why* that opinion is valid or useful to anyone using that review as a basis for buying the game. ("Gee, I don't like the color red. Red sux.") Factual inaccuracies, as well, which may seem trivial but really eats away at his credibility for making any sort of informed statement about the game. I've written theatre and movie reviews for newspapers before, and in my estimate this guy was shoddy. Whether you like or dislike the game is largely irrelevant; what matters is that your review helps the potential buyer make an informed decision about whether to spend her money. You could fit ten of this GameOver guy in Yin's little finger. -M. |
Analyst
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posted 04-08-99 11:30 AM ET
Taking the time to read (and analyze ) these "reviews" sheds a lot of light on them.Preliminarily, a clarification: There are two SMAC reviews, one gives an 87% and one gives a 91%. Interestingly, the poorer review gets top billing at the site. Important to note that the reviews are "signed" by persons using handles, not real names. Consistent with that bit of informality, the reviews themselves strike me as amateurish and superficial, but I encourage you to read them for yourselves. I'm speaking of all of the reviews here. All three reviews of CTP and SMAC were done by different persons. One important distinction between them is that the person reviewing CTP said that he was initially disappointed, but persevered to play through an entire game and, by hard work, discovered the differences that led him to like the game. By sharp contrast, the two persons reviewing SMAC at that site played the game very little before giving their reviews as is quite apparent from their descriptions of the game. Examples: the main SMAC review (the 87% one) said that the Factions in SMAC were identical to the indistinct races in Civ II and had no personality. Really? That would come as a tremendous shock to persons that actually play SMAC. Similarly, the reivewer said the mindworms in SMAC were identical to barbarians in Civ and, tellingly, said that there were only land and sea versions of mindworms. This reveals that he never played the game even to the stage of researching Centauri PSI (Locusts) much less endured Planet's revolts later in the game. Other examples of his grossly superficial experience with the game abound, but suffice it to say that his failure to give much time or thought to the effort is manifest in his review. One presumes that if the CTP reviewer had given up as early as this fellow, then CTP's review would have read similarly. All three reviews place tremendous emphasis on graphics, animation, sound, etc. IOW, window dressing, and not game play, seems to dominate the thoughts of these reviewers. The CTP reviewer devotes some time to praising stacked combat, but this is also one of the more controversial "mixed blessing" features of that game (i.e. the Phalanx kills Tank debate raging on the Apolyton boards). The CTP reviewer praises the combat stacking as an improvement, without hinting at it's dark side. Finally, all three reviews, to a greater or lesser degree, indicate that the reviewer was partially moved to prefer CTP and/or dislike SMAC out of a dislike for scifi settings. I hardly think it was appropriate to let that sort of personal bias reflect itself in the comparative analysis of the games. In sum, I would place little faith in the analysis contained in these reviews. If this site has a poor reputation, it seems well deserved. |
charybidis
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posted 04-08-99 04:00 PM ET
I've never been entirely sure about Game-Over! because all of their stuff is supplied by a big chain. I know this because I was once offered a writing job with them but had to drop out (If gkinson or anyone else from CIX is around, drop me a line - it's Corvus) |
PrinceBimz
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posted 04-09-99 01:52 AM ET
CTP deserves the 97% and every bit of it! One of the best PC games I have played ever and its only going to get better. |
Andrews
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posted 04-09-99 02:02 AM ET
Totally agree. And SMAC should get 97% as well. |
Corvus Corax
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posted 04-09-99 12:05 PM ET
Folks, sorry to disagree with you, but rating CTP or SMAC @ 97% is RIDICULOUS. 97% is 'just shy of total perfection, missed cosmic orgasm by the skin of its teeth'. Come on guys, does this apply to either game? Both of which had (better: still have) numerous bugs & game-play deficiencies? And, as far as CTP is concerned, didn't even include a scenario editor? Pulleeeez... |
QuantumJ
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posted 04-09-99 12:20 PM ET
I'm with Mr. Corax on this one.No game that, even after 3 patches, has as many bugs and inconsistencies as SMAC gets 97%. IMVHO it's a great game, I can bare the bugs and there is a lot of playability despite the flaws but enough with the over-enthusiastic hyperbole. Anyone would think it was console game! The day publishers start producing games with the calibre and craftmanship suggested by such a score is the day yin26 will have to lay down his keyboard of right and mouse of justice and take up flower arranging. I think he may have a few more decades of crusading ahead of him... Cynically, Jammer. |
Bossman
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posted 04-09-99 12:24 PM ET
Jammer and the other guyYeah your all right so lets lay down the last tile. SMAC is BETTER than CTP. SMAC has lots of bugs though BUT CTP has MORE. SMAC has BETTER gameplay. CTP is boring SMAC isn't I rest my case,
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