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ZuluMenace25 posted 03-26-99 12:09 PM ET
Ok I played the demo and enjoyed it so yesterday I finally bought the game even though it was a tough decision with SimCity3000 staring at me. I was just thinking about this. Earth was supposedly in decay when the unity mission was launched.
What if the Earth made a 180 degreee turnaround and is now a paradise. I could see the following idea for an expansion pack.
Say 300 years have passed. One faction is in control of the planet. An earth ship is arrives at chiron and is obliterated as a communication beams to earth. The face of the descendent of one of the faction leaders greets the earth council with a warning not to interfere with thier planet.
Earth fearing that there is a human population enslaved by this dictator sends and invasion force which you control or you could control the defending faction.
This would be a "real-time" war game with a chiron well established with all technologies and then some and both sides would have units that can be upgraded. The war would take place on chiron with a controlling faction the user chooses. The other factions whose populations were not whiped out or assimilated could be represented as servent workers who may join the earth army.
Of course planet would have to be dealt with also with the mind worms and all.
Anyway thats just my idea, now back to enjoying the game.

DerekM posted 03-26-99 12:15 PM ET
How would it be any different from Starcraft? What WOULD be cool would be a wargame that focused on both ground and space conflict. Something like a combination of MOO2 and Star General. You would have to come up with a reason why controlling space wouldn't automatically give you dominance on the ground as well, though.
ZuluMenace25 posted 03-26-99 12:18 PM ET
Never played StarCraft although I have certainly heard of it. Many games are similar but dosen't SC have humans fighting against aliens or something.
DerekM posted 03-26-99 12:29 PM ET
It does, but the premise is pretty much the same as human vs. human combat. One alien race specializes in wave tactics (and biotech), the other in fewer, high-tech units, while the humans are in between.
Actually, it isn't THAT different from Deidre and Yang on one side (biotech and waves), Zak and Morgan on a second (expensive tech), and Santiago and Lal (good-balance) on the third. I hate Miriam, so I ignore her.
"My forces have just completed a synthmetal sentinal prototype (1-2-1) that make them practically invincible!" -- Miriam Godwinson, just before I bombed her @ss back to the stone age.
DanS posted 03-26-99 01:05 PM ET
You could probably create a scenario such as this with SMAC. Perhaps you wouldn't have as sophisticated a space combat system as you might like, but it should be do-able.
Purple posted 03-27-99 12:33 PM ET
I like your idea, Zulu. I thought of another possible extrapolation, one where the Earth is recolonized from Planet. Beware mindworm/locust/fungus infestation of devastated Earth!
Regarding SC3K, it's pretty, but ultimately just SC2K with icing. Great for a newbie, but not all that innovative. They should have named it SC2500. I wish I'd saved the bucks.
Mike
Glak posted 03-27-99 02:55 PM ET
Zulu: That is the basic plot of the expansion for Starcraft. The main group of humans (not on earth) has been fighting the zerg (aliens) when the UED (earthlings) decide to conquer the other humans and bring all of humanity under their control. There are a lot of cool plot twists and it is a lot more complex but you get the idea.
If you haven't played Starcraft well just go out and buy it. Play the single player missions then get on battle.net where there are always 30,000 people ready to play. Of course 99% of them are idiots and play on a retard map but that is another issue. I've been playing Starcraft everyday for a year and I'm not bored yet (but I only play about 2 hours a day now, instead of 8+).
evil_conquerer posted 03-27-99 03:02 PM ET
Sounds cool, but just a personality question:
Why would the people blow up the space ship? They haven't heard from their home planet and they thought it was dead. Then 300 years later, there is news that Earth is now a paradise. Their response: Blow up the earth ship. If you haven't heard from a long-lost relative in 300 years, wouldn't you want to see him (or her)?
CyberSpyder posted 03-27-99 03:04 PM ET
Nah, I'd kill them. Relatives get annoying.
Achilles posted 03-27-99 04:07 PM ET
Here's a more peesimistic idea. The humans on Earth are totally wiped out with only some small artifact as a testament to their existace. Alpha Centauri, having been united as one sends a large ship to repopulate Earth. While en route they have a catastrophic accident which wakes the crew from sleep early. As the ship slowly brakes apart near Earth the crew breaks into separate idealogically based groups. These groups battle for survival and dominance on Earth. I wonder why nobody tried this idea before .
TheRob posted 03-28-99 04:31 AM ET
Turn the "interludes" back on next time you win by transcendence. Some of the AC humans do go back, and you hear of a new nanomolecular civilization flourishing there...
Which is technospeak for just about anything happening. Shoot a few nanobots on mercury, and in a month, you've got anything from a fleet of ships, to a solar system wide first stage infrastructure for a Dyson Sphere.
Have a nice day!
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Author	Topic: What if earth survived - Invasion Alpha Centauri
ZuluMenace25	posted 03-26-99 12:09 PM ET Ok I played the demo and enjoyed it so yesterday I finally bought the game even though it was a tough decision with SimCity3000 staring at me. I was just thinking about this. Earth was supposedly in decay when the unity mission was launched. What if the Earth made a 180 degreee turnaround and is now a paradise. I could see the following idea for an expansion pack. Say 300 years have passed. One faction is in control of the planet. An earth ship is arrives at chiron and is obliterated as a communication beams to earth. The face of the descendent of one of the faction leaders greets the earth council with a warning not to interfere with thier planet. Earth fearing that there is a human population enslaved by this dictator sends and invasion force which you control or you could control the defending faction. This would be a "real-time" war game with a chiron well established with all technologies and then some and both sides would have units that can be upgraded. The war would take place on chiron with a controlling faction the user chooses. The other factions whose populations were not whiped out or assimilated could be represented as servent workers who may join the earth army. Of course planet would have to be dealt with also with the mind worms and all. Anyway thats just my idea, now back to enjoying the game.
DerekM	posted 03-26-99 12:15 PM ET How would it be any different from Starcraft? What WOULD be cool would be a wargame that focused on both ground and space conflict. Something like a combination of MOO2 and Star General. You would have to come up with a reason why controlling space wouldn't automatically give you dominance on the ground as well, though.
ZuluMenace25	posted 03-26-99 12:18 PM ET Never played StarCraft although I have certainly heard of it. Many games are similar but dosen't SC have humans fighting against aliens or something.
DerekM	posted 03-26-99 12:29 PM ET It does, but the premise is pretty much the same as human vs. human combat. One alien race specializes in wave tactics (and biotech), the other in fewer, high-tech units, while the humans are in between. Actually, it isn't THAT different from Deidre and Yang on one side (biotech and waves), Zak and Morgan on a second (expensive tech), and Santiago and Lal (good-balance) on the third. I hate Miriam, so I ignore her. "My forces have just completed a synthmetal sentinal prototype (1-2-1) that make them practically invincible!" -- Miriam Godwinson, just before I bombed her @ss back to the stone age.
DanS	posted 03-26-99 01:05 PM ET You could probably create a scenario such as this with SMAC. Perhaps you wouldn't have as sophisticated a space combat system as you might like, but it should be do-able.
Purple	posted 03-27-99 12:33 PM ET I like your idea, Zulu. I thought of another possible extrapolation, one where the Earth is recolonized from Planet. Beware mindworm/locust/fungus infestation of devastated Earth! Regarding SC3K, it's pretty, but ultimately just SC2K with icing. Great for a newbie, but not all that innovative. They should have named it SC2500. I wish I'd saved the bucks. Mike
Glak	posted 03-27-99 02:55 PM ET Zulu: That is the basic plot of the expansion for Starcraft. The main group of humans (not on earth) has been fighting the zerg (aliens) when the UED (earthlings) decide to conquer the other humans and bring all of humanity under their control. There are a lot of cool plot twists and it is a lot more complex but you get the idea. If you haven't played Starcraft well just go out and buy it. Play the single player missions then get on battle.net where there are always 30,000 people ready to play. Of course 99% of them are idiots and play on a retard map but that is another issue. I've been playing Starcraft everyday for a year and I'm not bored yet (but I only play about 2 hours a day now, instead of 8+).
evil_conquerer	posted 03-27-99 03:02 PM ET Sounds cool, but just a personality question: Why would the people blow up the space ship? They haven't heard from their home planet and they thought it was dead. Then 300 years later, there is news that Earth is now a paradise. Their response: Blow up the earth ship. If you haven't heard from a long-lost relative in 300 years, wouldn't you want to see him (or her)?
CyberSpyder	posted 03-27-99 03:04 PM ET Nah, I'd kill them. Relatives get annoying.
Achilles	posted 03-27-99 04:07 PM ET Here's a more peesimistic idea. The humans on Earth are totally wiped out with only some small artifact as a testament to their existace. Alpha Centauri, having been united as one sends a large ship to repopulate Earth. While en route they have a catastrophic accident which wakes the crew from sleep early. As the ship slowly brakes apart near Earth the crew breaks into separate idealogically based groups. These groups battle for survival and dominance on Earth. I wonder why nobody tried this idea before .
TheRob	posted 03-28-99 04:31 AM ET Turn the "interludes" back on next time you win by transcendence. Some of the AC humans do go back, and you hear of a new nanomolecular civilization flourishing there... Which is technospeak for just about anything happening. Shoot a few nanobots on mercury, and in a month, you've got anything from a fleet of ships, to a solar system wide first stage infrastructure for a Dyson Sphere. Have a nice day!