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Jimmy posted 02-09-99 04:19 PM ET
episode 35 is up. It is huge with 9 parts. I loved it: the story ends with a bang. Everybpdy that said that the captain was a wimp should read the story because he truly has panache.

ThRiLL posted 02-09-99 07:36 PM ET
panache? That's a wussie word. =)
"I really dig Jackie Chan... His movies kick arse! ... and all those stunts? He does em himself! Man that guy has panache!"

Jimmy posted 02-09-99 07:52 PM ET
You do not know what panache means.
it means someone who puts others first with a sense of right from wrong. Someone who has a sense of honor. It would have nothing to do with someone who does his own stunts. if you want a better idea of the definition of the word watch the play "Cyrano of bergerac" by Edmond Rostand.
Cyrano was a man who wrote love letters to a woman he loved but made her think all the time that the letters came from his best friend who she loved. He did it because he realized that his love would not be true love if he tried to take her from the man she trully wanted. That's what panache is !
Jarke posted 02-09-99 09:31 PM ET
Awesome ending. I think the captain died with honor, and at least now he is with his family. It seemed to me that this Sarah Jaydo person was blinded by her own vanity. Probally a spartan.
ThRiLL posted 02-09-99 10:02 PM ET
Heheh.. Man, Jimmy.. That Panache stuff shore do sound all confusin and stuff. If I was in luv with a gurl, I don't think ah'd go writin letters and stuff to her tellin her I was really some other guy she liked. I think I'd just go take my baseball bat and open up a can o' whup-arse on the guy so's that she'd see whut a manly man I am.
I guess I should read the dictionary more. (Still think panache sounds like something I'd order with my sausages at Denny's.)
toodle pipski.
(Post Scriptum; Oh yes.. Kudos to The Captain. Way to die painfully. )
goofydrew posted 02-09-99 10:12 PM ET
i really do enjoy reading posts by the under-educated... especially when it comes to the the use of words of which they have no clue to the meaning... as casey stengel used to say, "you could look it up"... panache... a manner of confidence or instilled certainty... panache is most concerned, whether the premise is right or wrong, with the style in which the premise is presented...
the3.14t
Xentropy posted 02-10-99 02:11 AM ET
All I have to say is, I finally understand how even that psycho-bitch Miriam found a group of people to follow her ;>
CumuloNimbus posted 02-10-99 09:17 AM ET
THrill, you obviously haven't read the story or seen the movie. What his true love was really interested in was a poet with a beautiful face, instead of a big strong macho man.
Jimmy posted 02-10-99 11:57 AM ET
Goofydrew: who are you calling undereducated ? I am a physics major in college. I would not call that undereducated. Panache is a French word and my definition is the best way I found to describe what it ORIGINALLY meant. Maybe in english it has taken on a different definition but my definition is the original one and I think it applies perfectly to Captain Garland who died with honor to save his crew.
Lazarus posted 02-10-99 12:17 PM ET
Actually, 'panache' comes from the Latin word penna, meaning 'feather'. According to the 1913 edition of Webster's, a 'panache' is 'A plume or bunch of feathers, esp. such a
bunch worn on the helmet; any military plume, or ornamental group of feathers.'
Find me a (reliable) source that says this word ever had anything to do with honor, Jimmy, and I'll believe you. Seems unlikely, though.
nwells posted 02-10-99 12:50 PM ET
True, panache does mean a feather, usually worn in a cap, as Cyrano wore it. In the end as he lays dying, he mentions the feather, which is why it has taken on the conotations of both virtue and things done extremely well, i.e. the qualities of Cyrano DeBegerac.
goofydrew posted 02-10-99 05:51 PM ET
and webster says: panache n. a tuft of feathers, esp. on the headdress or helmet // bravura, swagger... garland was not about a foppish, strutting style. he was about a strong, heroic substance... without him, there would be no planet, he gave it all...
goofydrew posted 02-10-99 06:06 PM ET
oh, yeah... is there any way to change the name of the planet? Garland's Planet has a nice ring to it... the3.14rt
JT posted 02-10-99 06:10 PM ET
The nineteen _THIRTEEN_ edition of webster's?!!??!! How the HECK did you find one that old?!?!?!?
Vanilja posted 02-10-99 07:26 PM ET
Merriam Webster Collegiate on <panache>:
1. An ornamental tuft (as of feathers) esp. on a helmet;
2. dash or flamboyance to style and action: VERVE (special ability or talent;...energy, vitality);
3. John Garland, UNITY
Lazarus posted 02-11-99 09:06 AM ET
The 1913 Webster's is available on the web. I used it specifically to obtain an older definition, since Jimmy was referring to what the word used to mean. Obviously, 1913 isn't THAT long ago, linguistically speaking, but it's still pretty long. Can you imagine calling a whole decade 'gay' today?
Incidentally, contrary to Jimmy's contention that 'panache' comes from a French word for virtue, the French dictionary I searched did not even contain the word 'panache'. Could be a shortcoming of the dictionary, of course.
cyberpape posted 02-11-99 10:16 AM ET
Hi!
I'm french, and "Panache" is definatly a french word, which has little to do with virtue!
It's style, making things impressive and flamboyant. For example when you win with panache, you win gloriously (?? excuse my poor english ! ) even your ennemies will consider you highly, you get prised not only for your victory but also for the way you achieve that victory!
hope this will help!
Roland posted 02-11-99 11:07 AM ET
panache (french), what my dictionary says:
- the feather thing
- pride
- dignity
- courage
- the french version of the english "stiff upper lip" (? - I always found that phrase very weird, hope I didn't get it wrong here)
- style
Isn't there the pharse of "the feather in your cap" or so ? It's also about a thing you have achieved or you are admired for. If I didn't mess that up, the connotation between the hat/helmet/whatever feather and the other meanings would not look that farfetched...

Roland posted 02-11-99 11:11 AM ET
Well, I hope it's a phrase, not a farce (and I hope Maya doesn't read this).
Following what cyberpape said: all those meanings of "panache" seem to have a connotation of... well, being a bit superficial, more show than substance. Is that impression right ?
Gmork posted 02-11-99 03:19 PM ET
I'm waiting for people to start making some much deserved apologies as it turns out the only crew without blood on their hands and faction that was founded with a genuine motivation to assist their fellow man was the _Believers_.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
goofydrew posted 02-11-99 06:21 PM ET
you're right roland, panache is more concerned with style, strut, and if you will, braggadocio... none of which apply to garland, a man who was willing to give his all, without recognition, for the continuation of the human race. none of the factions know that the only reason they are now vying for the planet is the selfless sacrifice, in the end, of one man! GARLAND!!! name the planet after him! if not for him, it wouldn't be... the3.14rt
Jeffery posted 02-11-99 06:56 PM ET
I watched the French version of Cyrano de Begerac in French class. If panache truly means only for show and little material, then it wouldn't apply to cyrano either. The whole point of Cyrano is that he's a poet with an ugly face, he has substance, but very little on the surface. I think what cyberpape meant by Panache(he said he's French) isn't something like show with no substance. I think it's more like substance in deserving of recognition, like the congressional medal of honor, it's not all show and no substance, you have to do some really courageous task that's way beyond the calls of duty to get it. In other words, you'd need panache to get it. It's some show, but that's not all, there's substance behind the show
Jeffery posted 02-11-99 06:59 PM ET
BTW, I know this is off topic, but I thought the irony in Cyrano is that the person he's in love with was his cousin, and everything at the end was so messed up, everybody died unhappy.
Khan Singh posted 02-11-99 07:13 PM ET
No, No. Panaches were those little boats in Pirates! that you used before you captured a sloop. You would run across lots of annoying little panaches sailing around when what you really wanted was a galleon. Yes, I remember it well.
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Author	Topic: episode 35
Jimmy	posted 02-09-99 04:19 PM ET episode 35 is up. It is huge with 9 parts. I loved it: the story ends with a bang. Everybpdy that said that the captain was a wimp should read the story because he truly has panache.
ThRiLL	posted 02-09-99 07:36 PM ET panache? That's a wussie word. =) "I really dig Jackie Chan... His movies kick arse! ... and all those stunts? He does em himself! Man that guy has panache!"
Jimmy	posted 02-09-99 07:52 PM ET You do not know what panache means. it means someone who puts others first with a sense of right from wrong. Someone who has a sense of honor. It would have nothing to do with someone who does his own stunts. if you want a better idea of the definition of the word watch the play "Cyrano of bergerac" by Edmond Rostand. Cyrano was a man who wrote love letters to a woman he loved but made her think all the time that the letters came from his best friend who she loved. He did it because he realized that his love would not be true love if he tried to take her from the man she trully wanted. That's what panache is !
Jarke	posted 02-09-99 09:31 PM ET Awesome ending. I think the captain died with honor, and at least now he is with his family. It seemed to me that this Sarah Jaydo person was blinded by her own vanity. Probally a spartan.
ThRiLL	posted 02-09-99 10:02 PM ET Heheh.. Man, Jimmy.. That Panache stuff shore do sound all confusin and stuff. If I was in luv with a gurl, I don't think ah'd go writin letters and stuff to her tellin her I was really some other guy she liked. I think I'd just go take my baseball bat and open up a can o' whup-arse on the guy so's that she'd see whut a manly man I am. I guess I should read the dictionary more. (Still think panache sounds like something I'd order with my sausages at Denny's.) toodle pipski. (Post Scriptum; Oh yes.. Kudos to The Captain. Way to die painfully. )
goofydrew	posted 02-09-99 10:12 PM ET i really do enjoy reading posts by the under-educated... especially when it comes to the the use of words of which they have no clue to the meaning... as casey stengel used to say, "you could look it up"... panache... a manner of confidence or instilled certainty... panache is most concerned, whether the premise is right or wrong, with the style in which the premise is presented... the3.14t
Xentropy	posted 02-10-99 02:11 AM ET All I have to say is, I finally understand how even that psycho-bitch Miriam found a group of people to follow her ;>
CumuloNimbus	posted 02-10-99 09:17 AM ET THrill, you obviously haven't read the story or seen the movie. What his true love was really interested in was a poet with a beautiful face, instead of a big strong macho man.
Jimmy	posted 02-10-99 11:57 AM ET Goofydrew: who are you calling undereducated ? I am a physics major in college. I would not call that undereducated. Panache is a French word and my definition is the best way I found to describe what it ORIGINALLY meant. Maybe in english it has taken on a different definition but my definition is the original one and I think it applies perfectly to Captain Garland who died with honor to save his crew.
Lazarus	posted 02-10-99 12:17 PM ET Actually, 'panache' comes from the Latin word penna, meaning 'feather'. According to the 1913 edition of Webster's, a 'panache' is 'A plume or bunch of feathers, esp. such a bunch worn on the helmet; any military plume, or ornamental group of feathers.' Find me a (reliable) source that says this word ever had anything to do with honor, Jimmy, and I'll believe you. Seems unlikely, though.
nwells	posted 02-10-99 12:50 PM ET True, panache does mean a feather, usually worn in a cap, as Cyrano wore it. In the end as he lays dying, he mentions the feather, which is why it has taken on the conotations of both virtue and things done extremely well, i.e. the qualities of Cyrano DeBegerac.
goofydrew	posted 02-10-99 05:51 PM ET and webster says: panache n. a tuft of feathers, esp. on the headdress or helmet // bravura, swagger... garland was not about a foppish, strutting style. he was about a strong, heroic substance... without him, there would be no planet, he gave it all...
goofydrew	posted 02-10-99 06:06 PM ET oh, yeah... is there any way to change the name of the planet? Garland's Planet has a nice ring to it... the3.14rt
JT	posted 02-10-99 06:10 PM ET The nineteen _THIRTEEN_ edition of webster's?!!??!! How the HECK did you find one that old?!?!?!?
Vanilja	posted 02-10-99 07:26 PM ET Merriam Webster Collegiate on <panache>: 1. An ornamental tuft (as of feathers) esp. on a helmet; 2. dash or flamboyance to style and action: VERVE (special ability or talent;...energy, vitality); 3. John Garland, UNITY
Lazarus	posted 02-11-99 09:06 AM ET The 1913 Webster's is available on the web. I used it specifically to obtain an older definition, since Jimmy was referring to what the word used to mean. Obviously, 1913 isn't THAT long ago, linguistically speaking, but it's still pretty long. Can you imagine calling a whole decade 'gay' today? Incidentally, contrary to Jimmy's contention that 'panache' comes from a French word for virtue, the French dictionary I searched did not even contain the word 'panache'. Could be a shortcoming of the dictionary, of course.
cyberpape	posted 02-11-99 10:16 AM ET Hi! I'm french, and "Panache" is definatly a french word, which has little to do with virtue! It's style, making things impressive and flamboyant. For example when you win with panache, you win gloriously (?? excuse my poor english ! ) even your ennemies will consider you highly, you get prised not only for your victory but also for the way you achieve that victory! hope this will help!
Roland	posted 02-11-99 11:07 AM ET panache (french), what my dictionary says: - the feather thing - pride - dignity - courage - the french version of the english "stiff upper lip" (? - I always found that phrase very weird, hope I didn't get it wrong here) - style Isn't there the pharse of "the feather in your cap" or so ? It's also about a thing you have achieved or you are admired for. If I didn't mess that up, the connotation between the hat/helmet/whatever feather and the other meanings would not look that farfetched...
Roland	posted 02-11-99 11:11 AM ET Well, I hope it's a phrase, not a farce (and I hope Maya doesn't read this). Following what cyberpape said: all those meanings of "panache" seem to have a connotation of... well, being a bit superficial, more show than substance. Is that impression right ?
Gmork	posted 02-11-99 03:19 PM ET I'm waiting for people to start making some much deserved apologies as it turns out the only crew without blood on their hands and faction that was founded with a genuine motivation to assist their fellow man was the _Believers_. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
goofydrew	posted 02-11-99 06:21 PM ET you're right roland, panache is more concerned with style, strut, and if you will, braggadocio... none of which apply to garland, a man who was willing to give his all, without recognition, for the continuation of the human race. none of the factions know that the only reason they are now vying for the planet is the selfless sacrifice, in the end, of one man! GARLAND!!! name the planet after him! if not for him, it wouldn't be... the3.14rt
Jeffery	posted 02-11-99 06:56 PM ET I watched the French version of Cyrano de Begerac in French class. If panache truly means only for show and little material, then it wouldn't apply to cyrano either. The whole point of Cyrano is that he's a poet with an ugly face, he has substance, but very little on the surface. I think what cyberpape meant by Panache(he said he's French) isn't something like show with no substance. I think it's more like substance in deserving of recognition, like the congressional medal of honor, it's not all show and no substance, you have to do some really courageous task that's way beyond the calls of duty to get it. In other words, you'd need panache to get it. It's some show, but that's not all, there's substance behind the show
Jeffery	posted 02-11-99 06:59 PM ET BTW, I know this is off topic, but I thought the irony in Cyrano is that the person he's in love with was his cousin, and everything at the end was so messed up, everybody died unhappy.
Khan Singh	posted 02-11-99 07:13 PM ET No, No. Panaches were those little boats in Pirates! that you used before you captured a sloop. You would run across lots of annoying little panaches sailing around when what you really wanted was a galleon. Yes, I remember it well.