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Chronomog posted 06-09-99 11:12 PM ET
Have you ever done this to a believer base.
In no paticular order.
Nerve Gassed It
Virused it
Planet Busted it
Obliterated base
Nerve stapled citizens inside
----------------------------
Why Do we do it?
The names of the cities
The witch over the research screens (Her Voice)
Whining over commlink
The Witch is a Traitor
Religion
Miriam
Sadistic Pleasure
------------------------
Your personal questions to other faction leaders you wish you could say about atrocities.
Okay it was the Believers We all hate her
Right.
I was doing what had to be done.
Shouldnt the believers be excluded from the UN charter.
HEY I WANTED TO NERVE GAS THE WITCH FIRST
--------------------------------
Doesn't Miriam look like a Catholic School Teacher.
And Act.

Nell_Smith posted 06-09-99 11:33 PM ET
More to the point, why does Miriam ALWAYS land in the Monsoon Jungle? And then spread like one of the Plagues of Egypt all over the map... a horrible rash of Believers... an unstoppable infestation of orange pustules... a liberal sprinkling of festering heavily armed nuisances who somehow manage always to be ahead of everyone else in the research graph despite their research penalty? It can only be divine intervention... so watch out for thunderbolts, Chronomog!
Nell... still too scared to go and reply to the massive threads about all the metaphysical stuff!
Q: Why am I still awake and blithering on here?
A: I still can't find my cigarette lighter.
Dim Cat posted 06-10-99 12:07 AM ET
I hereby confess that I've committed the following atrocities to Believers:
(i) Planet Busted their whole continent;
(ii) Obliterated idiotically positioned bases.
I didn't take any other actions mentioned in the beginning of the thread because I never take them at all.
In my defence, I can say that Sister Miriam is the worst hypocrite I've ever met; has no imagination whatsoever (which is reflected in her bases' names); and provokes a sadistic feeling of pleasure when being destroyed.
By the way, Miriam's quotation for Controlled Singularity sounds pretty close to herecy, and that for Advanced Spaceflight smells more of eastern mysticism than Christianity.
HolyWarrior posted 06-10-99 01:34 AM ET
Yeah, right, and Yang has great names for his bases:
Huddling of the People
Fecundity Tower
Sea Hive
What the Hell is that?
My greatest pleasure in SMAC is shooting a PB right up Yang's Commie ass.
Shining1 posted 06-10-99 01:51 AM ET
Personally, it's the colour orange - just awful.
I played two years of CivII and never played the greeks once - who chooses the colours for these things? Are they suffering some form of eye damage? Why can't barbarians be black, and one of the real factions be red. Why, amoung all the options given, isn't there a simple way to change this?
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-10-99 01:52 AM ET
Miriam PB'd me once (a human in an IP game, though, not the A-nonI we all hate) I only had 18 PB's in range to respond with - man, those craters were nice. She had 20 cities though, so a couple got off. Didn't bother me anymore though - in fact quit the game
Hey Nell, kick the damned habit and go put something on the relativity thread.
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-10-99 01:58 AM ET
Shining - you can change it in CivII or SMAC by playing with the graphics files. I didn't like the cheesy tank, towed gun for the howitzer, or the Hunvee for Mech Infantry, so I made my own unit designs.
The only hangup in your art program is that these files are palletted, meaning that if you change a color to something not in the file pallette, you'll get weird clashy ugly effects. If the art program you use has a "picker" tool where you can grab a color from an image pixel, you'll have no problem.
You can also redesign the architecture of the faction cities, etc.
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-10-99 01:59 AM ET
Last post referring to Civ II units.
I've redesigned Hive and Spartan cities on SMAC though. <<evil grin>>
Eris posted 06-10-99 09:16 AM ET
Funny... in my games it seems like the Gaians or the PKs always get the Monsoon Jungle. Except my most recent one, where I have the majority of it (not my starting point) except for the seabases my Pact Brother Lal keeps building. The Morganites /did/ have a city there. Heh, heh, heh.
I admit to finding the Beleivers slightly annoying as an opponent, but I don't find them anywhere NEAR as annoying as the Hive. And if we're gonna bitch about city names, as someone else pointed out, the Hive names, ugh. Paradise Swarming? Fecundity Tower?
At least the Believer names, even if they're sermons, make some sort of sense to me.
I have committed precisely one atrocity against any faction in any game so far. I obliterated a seabase. It was the University's.
Dim Cat:
"By the way, Miriam's quotation for Controlled Singularity sounds pretty close to herecy, and that for Advanced Spaceflight smells more of eastern mysticism than Christianity."
Heresy is in the eyes of the beholder, DC. The Catholics thought the Protestants were heretics. Some Baptists and other sects consider the Catholics heretics. Some people feel that Christianity should be a more inclusive religion; that God has spoken to various people in various ways and that doesn't make thsoe other people 'wrong', just using different names and going at it from a different angle.
In other words, Miriam might be more open-minded than you think she is.
Eris (who, btw, has been known to stay up for the same reason, Nell)
Dim Cat posted 06-10-99 07:44 PM ET
Eris:
For one thing, my whole point about quotations was that Miriam may be not as orthodox, as she sometimes pretends to be
As for herecy, I wasn't actually referring to any particular kind of Christianity. IMO, the very question "Why would God create the universe" is pretty much borderline to any denomination. Although "herecy" may not be the best word here, I don't think this is a type of questions mainstream religions are comfortable with.
Nell_Smith posted 06-10-99 09:07 PM ET
Courtesy of Oxford English Dictionary:
"heresy : a belief or practice contrary to the orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church".
I hate to have to defend Miriam (mainly because she just took out one of my 'Copters with her stupid Missile Tactical, moan whinge), but it's not heretical to ask questions about WHY God does something... it would be heretical to say that he hadn't done it at all, though, which is why Galileo got into such a lot of trouble... am I right in thinking that the Catholic Church have only recently un-excommunicated him, or did I imagine that?? hmmm... obviously my recent nicotine deprivation is messing with my memory!! hehe
Much though I don't love Miriam, I've never committed any atrocities against her, or anyone else (well, except human opponents...<evil cackle> ), because I play a builder game and hate the sanctions... and because I just don't want to do all that stuff anyway. I don't build Punishment Spheres for the same reason... the very idea of it makes my skin crawl Actually, thinking about it, I may have obliterated the odd base or two, but only because the AI had put them in such incredibly silly locations. Necessity, you understand...
As far as base names goes, I actually think they're pretty good... I may not personally like them all, but I think they're quite in keeping with the various factions' stated aims and ideals. "Huddling of the People" might sound ugly, but it sums up Yang's mentality quite nicely... on the other hand, perhaps Firaxis should have named all Yang's cities as "Base That Builds PBs And Drops Them On You No.1", "Base That Does The Same Thing No.2", and so on!
Nell... happy as a fluffy bunny, with her lovely new lighter
PS: Michael... are the SMAC graphics as easy to modify as the CIV2 ones were? And I'm still too scared to get involved in those relativity threads (actually, the truth is that I'm way snowed under with emails, not to mention PBEM turns, or else I'd be in there like a rat up a drainpipe, spouting my uninformed opinions as usual! )
Koshko posted 06-11-99 12:45 AM ET
Believer names are actually pretty creative. Terrible Swift Sword. Look at Pk or Morgan. They just stick U.N. or Morgan in front of a word and there's the name.
TheMadStork posted 06-11-99 03:22 AM ET
The one time I found Miriam placing her lovely, antigonizingly-named bases in the Jungle at the silliest positions, I sent in my only PB to eliminate all 9 of them. Quite the catharsis!
And the Roman Catholic Church recently officially _forgave_ Galileo, conceding his correctness re: astronomy. And it only took 4 centuries! Yay!
I go now.
Resource Consumer posted 06-16-99 09:57 AM ET
If I'm right then. He would only be forgiven during the game on Librarian or below. On Thinker and Transcend he would be damned forever.
googlie posted 06-16-99 11:03 AM ET
He'd be damned forever at Librarian as well (Top 3 diff = 400, lower 3 = 500)
korn469 posted 06-16-99 11:15 AM ET
Don't Belive Nell about how she is a nice and friendly faction! Nell nuked me twice in one game! millions of citizens were massacered! she also used nerve gas and oblitorated based! she's evil in MP evil i tell you hehehe
korn469
Rackam posted 06-16-99 11:16 AM ET
I feel rather inadequet now. I've never obliterated a base, built a punishment sphere, used nerve gas or used a PB. After all, why destroy a base, when you can disband it by building drop colony pods and putting bases in 'usefull' places .
~Rackam
Nell_Smith posted 06-16-99 01:16 PM ET
korn:
hehe yeah but it was fun wasn't it!!
And I did say... "I've never committed any atrocities against her, or anyone else (well, except human opponents...)"
Nell... fighting her desire to obliterate the world in a nuclear extravaganza
PS: Shame we never completed that game... I had a sneaky sea-base just within range of your SP mega-city, and a PB on its way down there!! Now THAT would have been a lovely crater...
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Author	Topic: Universal Questions About Believer Hate
Chronomog	posted 06-09-99 11:12 PM ET Have you ever done this to a believer base. In no paticular order. Nerve Gassed It Virused it Planet Busted it Obliterated base Nerve stapled citizens inside ---------------------------- Why Do we do it? The names of the cities The witch over the research screens (Her Voice) Whining over commlink The Witch is a Traitor Religion Miriam Sadistic Pleasure ------------------------ Your personal questions to other faction leaders you wish you could say about atrocities. Okay it was the Believers We all hate her Right. I was doing what had to be done. Shouldnt the believers be excluded from the UN charter. HEY I WANTED TO NERVE GAS THE WITCH FIRST -------------------------------- Doesn't Miriam look like a Catholic School Teacher. And Act.
Nell_Smith	posted 06-09-99 11:33 PM ET More to the point, why does Miriam ALWAYS land in the Monsoon Jungle? And then spread like one of the Plagues of Egypt all over the map... a horrible rash of Believers... an unstoppable infestation of orange pustules... a liberal sprinkling of festering heavily armed nuisances who somehow manage always to be ahead of everyone else in the research graph despite their research penalty? It can only be divine intervention... so watch out for thunderbolts, Chronomog! Nell... still too scared to go and reply to the massive threads about all the metaphysical stuff! Q: Why am I still awake and blithering on here? A: I still can't find my cigarette lighter.
Dim Cat	posted 06-10-99 12:07 AM ET I hereby confess that I've committed the following atrocities to Believers: (i) Planet Busted their whole continent; (ii) Obliterated idiotically positioned bases. I didn't take any other actions mentioned in the beginning of the thread because I never take them at all. In my defence, I can say that Sister Miriam is the worst hypocrite I've ever met; has no imagination whatsoever (which is reflected in her bases' names); and provokes a sadistic feeling of pleasure when being destroyed. By the way, Miriam's quotation for Controlled Singularity sounds pretty close to herecy, and that for Advanced Spaceflight smells more of eastern mysticism than Christianity.
HolyWarrior	posted 06-10-99 01:34 AM ET Yeah, right, and Yang has great names for his bases: Huddling of the People Fecundity Tower Sea Hive What the Hell is that? My greatest pleasure in SMAC is shooting a PB right up Yang's Commie ass.
Shining1	posted 06-10-99 01:51 AM ET Personally, it's the colour orange - just awful. I played two years of CivII and never played the greeks once - who chooses the colours for these things? Are they suffering some form of eye damage? Why can't barbarians be black, and one of the real factions be red. Why, amoung all the options given, isn't there a simple way to change this?
MichaeltheGreat	posted 06-10-99 01:52 AM ET Miriam PB'd me once (a human in an IP game, though, not the A-nonI we all hate) I only had 18 PB's in range to respond with - man, those craters were nice. She had 20 cities though, so a couple got off. Didn't bother me anymore though - in fact quit the game Hey Nell, kick the damned habit and go put something on the relativity thread.
MichaeltheGreat	posted 06-10-99 01:58 AM ET Shining - you can change it in CivII or SMAC by playing with the graphics files. I didn't like the cheesy tank, towed gun for the howitzer, or the Hunvee for Mech Infantry, so I made my own unit designs. The only hangup in your art program is that these files are palletted, meaning that if you change a color to something not in the file pallette, you'll get weird clashy ugly effects. If the art program you use has a "picker" tool where you can grab a color from an image pixel, you'll have no problem. You can also redesign the architecture of the faction cities, etc.
MichaeltheGreat	posted 06-10-99 01:59 AM ET Last post referring to Civ II units. I've redesigned Hive and Spartan cities on SMAC though. <<evil grin>>
Eris	posted 06-10-99 09:16 AM ET Funny... in my games it seems like the Gaians or the PKs always get the Monsoon Jungle. Except my most recent one, where I have the majority of it (not my starting point) except for the seabases my Pact Brother Lal keeps building. The Morganites /did/ have a city there. Heh, heh, heh. I admit to finding the Beleivers slightly annoying as an opponent, but I don't find them anywhere NEAR as annoying as the Hive. And if we're gonna bitch about city names, as someone else pointed out, the Hive names, ugh. Paradise Swarming? Fecundity Tower? At least the Believer names, even if they're sermons, make some sort of sense to me. I have committed precisely one atrocity against any faction in any game so far. I obliterated a seabase. It was the University's. Dim Cat: "By the way, Miriam's quotation for Controlled Singularity sounds pretty close to herecy, and that for Advanced Spaceflight smells more of eastern mysticism than Christianity." Heresy is in the eyes of the beholder, DC. The Catholics thought the Protestants were heretics. Some Baptists and other sects consider the Catholics heretics. Some people feel that Christianity should be a more inclusive religion; that God has spoken to various people in various ways and that doesn't make thsoe other people 'wrong', just using different names and going at it from a different angle. In other words, Miriam might be more open-minded than you think she is. Eris (who, btw, has been known to stay up for the same reason, Nell)
Dim Cat	posted 06-10-99 07:44 PM ET Eris: For one thing, my whole point about quotations was that Miriam may be not as orthodox, as she sometimes pretends to be As for herecy, I wasn't actually referring to any particular kind of Christianity. IMO, the very question "Why would God create the universe" is pretty much borderline to any denomination. Although "herecy" may not be the best word here, I don't think this is a type of questions mainstream religions are comfortable with.
Nell_Smith	posted 06-10-99 09:07 PM ET Courtesy of Oxford English Dictionary: "heresy : a belief or practice contrary to the orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church". I hate to have to defend Miriam (mainly because she just took out one of my 'Copters with her stupid Missile Tactical, moan whinge), but it's not heretical to ask questions about WHY God does something... it would be heretical to say that he hadn't done it at all, though, which is why Galileo got into such a lot of trouble... am I right in thinking that the Catholic Church have only recently un-excommunicated him, or did I imagine that?? hmmm... obviously my recent nicotine deprivation is messing with my memory!! hehe Much though I don't love Miriam, I've never committed any atrocities against her, or anyone else (well, except human opponents...<evil cackle> ), because I play a builder game and hate the sanctions... and because I just don't want to do all that stuff anyway. I don't build Punishment Spheres for the same reason... the very idea of it makes my skin crawl Actually, thinking about it, I may have obliterated the odd base or two, but only because the AI had put them in such incredibly silly locations. Necessity, you understand... As far as base names goes, I actually think they're pretty good... I may not personally like them all, but I think they're quite in keeping with the various factions' stated aims and ideals. "Huddling of the People" might sound ugly, but it sums up Yang's mentality quite nicely... on the other hand, perhaps Firaxis should have named all Yang's cities as "Base That Builds PBs And Drops Them On You No.1", "Base That Does The Same Thing No.2", and so on! Nell... happy as a fluffy bunny, with her lovely new lighter PS: Michael... are the SMAC graphics as easy to modify as the CIV2 ones were? And I'm still too scared to get involved in those relativity threads (actually, the truth is that I'm way snowed under with emails, not to mention PBEM turns, or else I'd be in there like a rat up a drainpipe, spouting my uninformed opinions as usual! )
Koshko	posted 06-11-99 12:45 AM ET Believer names are actually pretty creative. Terrible Swift Sword. Look at Pk or Morgan. They just stick U.N. or Morgan in front of a word and there's the name.
TheMadStork	posted 06-11-99 03:22 AM ET The one time I found Miriam placing her lovely, antigonizingly-named bases in the Jungle at the silliest positions, I sent in my only PB to eliminate all 9 of them. Quite the catharsis! And the Roman Catholic Church recently officially _forgave_ Galileo, conceding his correctness re: astronomy. And it only took 4 centuries! Yay! I go now.
Resource Consumer	posted 06-16-99 09:57 AM ET If I'm right then. He would only be forgiven during the game on Librarian or below. On Thinker and Transcend he would be damned forever.
googlie	posted 06-16-99 11:03 AM ET He'd be damned forever at Librarian as well (Top 3 diff = 400, lower 3 = 500)
korn469	posted 06-16-99 11:15 AM ET Don't Belive Nell about how she is a nice and friendly faction! Nell nuked me twice in one game! millions of citizens were massacered! she also used nerve gas and oblitorated based! she's evil in MP evil i tell you hehehe korn469
Rackam	posted 06-16-99 11:16 AM ET I feel rather inadequet now. I've never obliterated a base, built a punishment sphere, used nerve gas or used a PB. After all, why destroy a base, when you can disband it by building drop colony pods and putting bases in 'usefull' places . ~Rackam
Nell_Smith	posted 06-16-99 01:16 PM ET korn: hehe yeah but it was fun wasn't it!! And I did say... "I've never committed any atrocities against her, or anyone else (well, except human opponents...)" Nell... fighting her desire to obliterate the world in a nuclear extravaganza PS: Shame we never completed that game... I had a sneaky sea-base just within range of your SP mega-city, and a PB on its way down there!! Now THAT would have been a lovely crater...