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GaryD posted 07-30-99 12:55 PM ET
Hang the flag I say !!!
UK - Cornish anger over pasty pasting
Biting back: Pasty makers say their industry could be hit
The owner of pasty shop in Cornwall has staged a ceremonial burning of the Stars and Stripes after an American food writer criticised the quality of Cornish pasties.
The BBC's Jane O'Brien: "The Cornish pasty has become the centre of an Anglo-American food war"
He had told readers of the New York Times, that Cornwall "probably offers more bad food per square mile than anywhere else in the civilised world".
As for the Cornish pasty, he had eaten them by the dozen and likened them to doorstops.
The basic problem, he said, was that they were bland.
'Football-shape'
"At least with a hamburger, you can disguise it with relish, but with a pasty, you've got this five pound football-shape thing sitting in your hand and there's nothing you can do with it."
Furious: Ann Muller
Ann Muller, who runs the award-wining Lizard Pasty Shop, said she had set fire to an American flag because the article represented an attack on the Cornish people and their way of life.
She told BBC News Online: "There are thousands of people who depend on the pasty industry and for him to describe them as doorsteps is irresponsible.
"We have got to defend it."
She admitted: "I am a little ashamed of burning the flag, but that is how Cornish people feel when the pasty is maligned.
"The flag is a symbol of the country and one of our symbols is the pasty and he should not have maligned something that is so special to us."
Energy food
Mrs Muller's pasties, which contain beef, turnip and onions, have featured in gourmet magazines across the world, and she maintains that properly made pasties are delicious and good for energy.
However, Mr. Grimes was not wholly condemnatory of Cornish food, praising the seafood and local cheeses, as well as the freshly dug potatoes and a perfect cream tea.
And he hopes the furore he has caused will lead to an improvement in the quality of pasties in Cornwall which he describes as "generally God awful".
"I'm hoping it will lead to a lot of soul searching, reflection and improvement in the pasty area," said the critic, who has visited Cornwall twice.
"I would love to find a good one. I'm willing to give it another try and a place has been recommended to me in Hayle."
'Positive impression'
Mr. Grimes stressed his criticism did not extend to other features of Cornwall, just the pasties.
"I have a very positive impression of Cornwall in general, particularly the people" he said.
And he denied that his comments were going to affect the tourist trade.
"The awfulness of traditional British food has been known to the world for a couple of hundred years, and Britain has a thriving tourist industry," he said.
"I don't think people go to Cornwall for the pasties."
He added: "Not often do I inspire the burning of the American flag."

Trappist posted 07-30-99 01:23 PM ET
The bastards! How dare they profane the godhead of savoury pastries! They'll be taking a pop at Scotch Eggs next.
This is the nation that gave the world McDonalds. That's outrageous cheek.
Anyhow, everyone knows that traditional British food is a Chicken Balti with a Keema Nan, Tarkha Dhal and Aloo Bhagee. With a pickled egg.
GaryD posted 07-30-99 01:25 PM ET
Not forgetting the Sweet Lassie of course.
(Weekend beckons...)
NoMercy posted 07-30-99 02:31 PM ET
Sadly I feel that there is a grain of truth in the review. Most pasties are particularly bad using minced (not flaked)beef with far too much potato or carrot. 'Gourmet' pasties on the the other hand are gorgeous.
I'd also like to say that I agree with the comments about Cream Teas and Cornish Cheese and would like to add that Cornish beer is excellent!
Cornish people are also probably the friendliest in the UK as well.
As an Englishman in NY I'd like to widen the debate and say that food in the US is generally (not always) tastier and very much less expensive. (American beer on the other hand is p*** and thier pints are only 16 fl. oz. instead of 20 )
- My GBP 0.02
Spoe posted 07-30-99 03:43 PM ET
Ah, but here in the US we have bigger fluid ounces.
29.6 ml US
28.4 ml UK
So, a US Pint is 16 * 29.6 ml / 28.4 ml = 16.67 Imperial Fl. Oz.
So you're making a big deal out 3-1/3 Imp. Fl. Oz./pint, only 1/6 of an Imperial pint.
(Just call me the resident pedant)
Bishop posted 07-30-99 06:33 PM ET
What�s a pasty ? Is it like a Yorkshire Pudding ?
Bishop
Ignorant
Trappist posted 07-31-99 05:48 AM ET
It's a thick semi-circular pie with a thick crust around the curve (designed as a handle to be discarded when the pie is eaten- they were mae for tin miners to eat with muddy hands). Traditionally contains meat and vegetables- usually chopped beef (though mutton is also used) with onion, carrot, turnip etc. Seasoned with pepper. Lovely stuff- eaten hot or cold.
Bishop posted 07-31-99 05:20 PM ET
Thanks, Trappist ! I would try it next time I�m in England, only I�m a vegeterian...
Bishop
Stewart Spink posted 07-31-99 05:42 PM ET
I'm sure there is a veggy version somewhere...there always is.
Misho posted 07-31-99 07:59 PM ET
I don't know what a hell are you talking about, but if that has something to do with food I say long live the meet, vegetables sux.
monolith94 posted 07-31-99 09:34 PM ET
Bah! Whining about a poor review! Wussies!
Give me a calzone instead anyday.
Stewart Spink posted 08-01-99 05:16 AM ET
It was a stupid American nationalist that has probably never seen nor tasted a Cornish Pasty and just assumed it was bad that wrote the article.
Bishop posted 08-01-99 06:05 AM ET
Misho
Wow, you really are a misantrope aren�t you ?
Bishop
Misho posted 08-01-99 06:58 AM ET
Bishop, why am I misantrope? Because I like meet? Damn! That's really weird.
Actually I am great filanthrope.
Bishop posted 08-01-99 04:14 PM ET
What I mean is you don�t seem have something good to say about anyone or anything. However it was mostly a humoruos remark (hence the )
Bishop
Misho posted 08-01-99 07:09 PM ET

Bishop, my dear European raver!
You are right.

that's all I have to say
Raven of Despair posted 08-02-99 10:15 AM ET
Actually, you can get Imperial Pints at many places, you just have to ask for it. At least you can in Philadelphia.
Trappist posted 08-02-99 01:52 PM ET
If it's American beer, you're better off with smaller units. How do you drink that effluent? It's carbonated urine. There is absolutely no flavour. Budweiser, Coors, Rolling Rock, Millers- all terrible.
Are there any decent American beers?
Spoe posted 08-02-99 02:22 PM ET
I know we've had this conversation before, but Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Anchor Steam, Pete's Wicked Multigrain and many more of the microbreweries are usually quite good. Export availability is probably pretty limited, however.
You might find Sam Adams outside the US, but their line is pretty variable. The Maple Porter is probably my favorite from their line. My least favorite of theirs is probably the Boston Lager.
The sad part is that Miller proved they could make decent beer, if they wanted to, with the short-lived Miller Reserve label a few years back(the Miller Reserve Ale was fairly good, for example), but they choose not to.
Valtyr posted 08-04-99 09:30 PM ET
And the Americans don't like lutefisk or lefse, either, the barbarians !
Valtyr posted 08-04-99 09:33 PM ET
Norway - the only country known for worse food than the UK...
Bishop posted 08-05-99 04:21 AM ET
Valtyr
How about surstr�mming ? (For those who doesn�t know surstr�mming is basically rotten fish, which they eat in the north of Sweden.
Bishop
Glad to be vegeterian when it comes to surstr�mming
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GaryD	posted 07-30-99 12:55 PM ET Hang the flag I say !!! UK - Cornish anger over pasty pasting Biting back: Pasty makers say their industry could be hit The owner of pasty shop in Cornwall has staged a ceremonial burning of the Stars and Stripes after an American food writer criticised the quality of Cornish pasties. The BBC's Jane O'Brien: "The Cornish pasty has become the centre of an Anglo-American food war" He had told readers of the New York Times, that Cornwall "probably offers more bad food per square mile than anywhere else in the civilised world". As for the Cornish pasty, he had eaten them by the dozen and likened them to doorstops. The basic problem, he said, was that they were bland. 'Football-shape' "At least with a hamburger, you can disguise it with relish, but with a pasty, you've got this five pound football-shape thing sitting in your hand and there's nothing you can do with it." Furious: Ann Muller Ann Muller, who runs the award-wining Lizard Pasty Shop, said she had set fire to an American flag because the article represented an attack on the Cornish people and their way of life. She told BBC News Online: "There are thousands of people who depend on the pasty industry and for him to describe them as doorsteps is irresponsible. "We have got to defend it." She admitted: "I am a little ashamed of burning the flag, but that is how Cornish people feel when the pasty is maligned. "The flag is a symbol of the country and one of our symbols is the pasty and he should not have maligned something that is so special to us." Energy food Mrs Muller's pasties, which contain beef, turnip and onions, have featured in gourmet magazines across the world, and she maintains that properly made pasties are delicious and good for energy. However, Mr. Grimes was not wholly condemnatory of Cornish food, praising the seafood and local cheeses, as well as the freshly dug potatoes and a perfect cream tea. And he hopes the furore he has caused will lead to an improvement in the quality of pasties in Cornwall which he describes as "generally God awful". "I'm hoping it will lead to a lot of soul searching, reflection and improvement in the pasty area," said the critic, who has visited Cornwall twice. "I would love to find a good one. I'm willing to give it another try and a place has been recommended to me in Hayle." 'Positive impression' Mr. Grimes stressed his criticism did not extend to other features of Cornwall, just the pasties. "I have a very positive impression of Cornwall in general, particularly the people" he said. And he denied that his comments were going to affect the tourist trade. "The awfulness of traditional British food has been known to the world for a couple of hundred years, and Britain has a thriving tourist industry," he said. "I don't think people go to Cornwall for the pasties." He added: "Not often do I inspire the burning of the American flag."
Trappist	posted 07-30-99 01:23 PM ET The bastards! How dare they profane the godhead of savoury pastries! They'll be taking a pop at Scotch Eggs next. This is the nation that gave the world McDonalds. That's outrageous cheek. Anyhow, everyone knows that traditional British food is a Chicken Balti with a Keema Nan, Tarkha Dhal and Aloo Bhagee. With a pickled egg.
GaryD	posted 07-30-99 01:25 PM ET Not forgetting the Sweet Lassie of course. (Weekend beckons...)
NoMercy	posted 07-30-99 02:31 PM ET Sadly I feel that there is a grain of truth in the review. Most pasties are particularly bad using minced (not flaked)beef with far too much potato or carrot. 'Gourmet' pasties on the the other hand are gorgeous. I'd also like to say that I agree with the comments about Cream Teas and Cornish Cheese and would like to add that Cornish beer is excellent! Cornish people are also probably the friendliest in the UK as well. As an Englishman in NY I'd like to widen the debate and say that food in the US is generally (not always) tastier and very much less expensive. (American beer on the other hand is p*** and thier pints are only 16 fl. oz. instead of 20 ) - My GBP 0.02
Spoe	posted 07-30-99 03:43 PM ET Ah, but here in the US we have bigger fluid ounces. 29.6 ml US 28.4 ml UK So, a US Pint is 16 * 29.6 ml / 28.4 ml = 16.67 Imperial Fl. Oz. So you're making a big deal out 3-1/3 Imp. Fl. Oz./pint, only 1/6 of an Imperial pint. (Just call me the resident pedant)
Bishop	posted 07-30-99 06:33 PM ET What�s a pasty ? Is it like a Yorkshire Pudding ? Bishop Ignorant
Trappist	posted 07-31-99 05:48 AM ET It's a thick semi-circular pie with a thick crust around the curve (designed as a handle to be discarded when the pie is eaten- they were mae for tin miners to eat with muddy hands). Traditionally contains meat and vegetables- usually chopped beef (though mutton is also used) with onion, carrot, turnip etc. Seasoned with pepper. Lovely stuff- eaten hot or cold.
Bishop	posted 07-31-99 05:20 PM ET Thanks, Trappist ! I would try it next time I�m in England, only I�m a vegeterian... Bishop
Stewart Spink	posted 07-31-99 05:42 PM ET I'm sure there is a veggy version somewhere...there always is.
Misho	posted 07-31-99 07:59 PM ET I don't know what a hell are you talking about, but if that has something to do with food I say long live the meet, vegetables sux.
monolith94	posted 07-31-99 09:34 PM ET Bah! Whining about a poor review! Wussies! Give me a calzone instead anyday.
Stewart Spink	posted 08-01-99 05:16 AM ET It was a stupid American nationalist that has probably never seen nor tasted a Cornish Pasty and just assumed it was bad that wrote the article.
Bishop	posted 08-01-99 06:05 AM ET Misho Wow, you really are a misantrope aren�t you ? Bishop
Misho	posted 08-01-99 06:58 AM ET Bishop, why am I misantrope? Because I like meet? Damn! That's really weird. Actually I am great filanthrope.
Bishop	posted 08-01-99 04:14 PM ET What I mean is you don�t seem have something good to say about anyone or anything. However it was mostly a humoruos remark (hence the ) Bishop
Misho	posted 08-01-99 07:09 PM ET Bishop, my dear European raver! You are right. that's all I have to say
Raven of Despair	posted 08-02-99 10:15 AM ET Actually, you can get Imperial Pints at many places, you just have to ask for it. At least you can in Philadelphia.
Trappist	posted 08-02-99 01:52 PM ET If it's American beer, you're better off with smaller units. How do you drink that effluent? It's carbonated urine. There is absolutely no flavour. Budweiser, Coors, Rolling Rock, Millers- all terrible. Are there any decent American beers?
Spoe	posted 08-02-99 02:22 PM ET I know we've had this conversation before, but Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Anchor Steam, Pete's Wicked Multigrain and many more of the microbreweries are usually quite good. Export availability is probably pretty limited, however. You might find Sam Adams outside the US, but their line is pretty variable. The Maple Porter is probably my favorite from their line. My least favorite of theirs is probably the Boston Lager. The sad part is that Miller proved they could make decent beer, if they wanted to, with the short-lived Miller Reserve label a few years back(the Miller Reserve Ale was fairly good, for example), but they choose not to.
Valtyr	posted 08-04-99 09:30 PM ET And the Americans don't like lutefisk or lefse, either, the barbarians !
Valtyr	posted 08-04-99 09:33 PM ET Norway - the only country known for worse food than the UK...
Bishop	posted 08-05-99 04:21 AM ET Valtyr How about surstr�mming ? (For those who doesn�t know surstr�mming is basically rotten fish, which they eat in the north of Sweden. Bishop Glad to be vegeterian when it comes to surstr�mming