posted 07-19-99 06:38 AM ET            

WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

posted 07-19-99 07:31 AM ET            

Ok. Calm and slow...

JEBEN TI MATER NA RADIJATORU!

I hope you burned your balls badly on that RADIATOR

GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT:

"Lithuania sucks more than Croatia"

Lithuania - 5 place.
Croatia - not even in play offs

"At least we have beautiful coast"

We do, too.

[sarcasm]
And no bears, we ate them all. Raw! We're savages here, you know, way below such civilised people as Croatians who have never waged war with their neighbors and never committed atrocities against innocent civilians.
[/sarcasm]

"What do you have?"

A basketball team better than Croatia's. Plus - remember Euroleague 98-99 finals? Get your facts straight.

"Who from Lithuania plays in NBA?No one."

Sabonis from Blazers and Ilgauskas from Cleveland Cavaliers.

"Who was THIRD ON THE WORLD IN THE LAST SOCCER CHAMPIONSHIP?
Usa? Germany? Lithuania? No asshole.
Croatia."

You got lucky. It will not happen again

"I don't like sports"

What do you like then? Playing with you mommas underwear? (Sorry, that was rude. I should't get that personal)

"Kuko� is with Bulls."

Where are Bulls now, heh? Maybe he should help them by leaving? He was SOOO pathetic in the Lithuania-Croatia match... These wimps did't even play in the play-off part. Oh well, with brains like Misho's coaching...

"Did you ask yourself that that might have something to do with Lithuanian nazi troops during WW2 who supported Germans?"

There was a Croatian SS division, all volunteers. There was a Belorussian SS division, all volunteers. Latvian, Estonian, French, Dutch, Belgian, Albanian, all volunteers. But NOT Lithuanian. All the young Lithuanians went into the woods and fought against BOTH sides. We fought the Russians until in 1972 the last fighter surrendered.

"Buddy, you are lucky that you still have your country at all...If I was Stalin I would burn it to the ground."

You do, too. If I was Milosevic, I'd burn Croatia to the ground. This is not getting us anywhere.

"Nazists don't deserve democracy"

I'm with you on this one

"And finally, you can kiss my ass with your conservatism"

I'm not a conservative. If it helps, I'm closest to Libertarians.

"Bud as idea, communism is briliant,much more human than capitalism."

No, it is not brilliant because it is not feasible, to begin with, and to end with, the only way it is feasible is forceful and violent, just like USSR. Capitalism, in turn, is justice, peace, prosperity and equality of rights.

"At least real communists (such as Marx, Lenin, Guevara, Lorca..., not Stalin) tried to change something to better, and what capitalists tried to change?"

Guevara with Castro turned Cuba communist and slaughtered political opposition. Marx inspired them all, Lenin built the first concentration camps in the world. Lorca wrote books, I don't know how that can hurt.

Capitalists gave you Internet as it is now, better cars, better and more food, the possibility to become rich, to drive a car that eats less gas than your previous one. You know, the little things that make a life.

"I can't tell you how much I hate that nazi bastard Tudjman (croatian president)."

So you've never seen capitalism, then?

I saw your page...YOUR FACE SUCKS! YOU LOOK LIKE A LOSER! Kidding.

On the "he started first" argument:

To me your pro-communist idiocy sounds like nazi propaganda to a jew. You deserved every F-word I posted. I have little hope my reasoning will change your POV, but at least now you know some facts that can help you understand reality better.

posted 07-19-99 11:35 AM ET            

Did you read the title of this topic??

If I wanted to arque with some American pathetic and worthless minds, then I would stay in "If you dislike America..." forum, in which, by the way, no one dislikes America at all.
So I created this forum to talk with someone who really hates USA.
Why should I piss on American flag? Because I want to. If Americans can drop nuclear and napalm bombs on the innocent civilians,and rule all over the world, then why I shouldn't want to piss on American flag (methaphorically speaking)? I have always hated rulers of any kind.
Especially dumb ones and with no style.

posted 07-19-99 11:51 AM ET            

Saras, I am sorry for radiator stuff.
I didn't want to insult you although you started first.

Like I said, your anti-communistic poetic won't get you anywhere.
I can understend your fear of communism beacuse your pathetic country was the part of former USSR, who, bye the wy, obviously didn't threat it well.
Or maybe you had nightmares as a kid, so you actually just imagine that it was so bad?

I said before - there are many kinds of communism, like many kind of women.
Some are ugly, and some are pretty nice and sexy.
You lived in ugly one (stalinism), and you just had bad luck.
I lived in pretty good one (titoism), and I wish I could return it somehow back.
But what Russia has now in capitalism anyway?
Nothing but horrors.

I can't forgive you insulting Lenin, Guevara or Marx. Their acts witness for themselves.
Your problem is that you read falsed history.

And bye the way... don't think I am Croatian nationalist. That would be the worst insult for me. I hate Croatia, it's full of crap and human trash.
I just doubt that Lithuania is not much better. Knowing you I am sure it's worse.

posted 07-19-99 03:39 PM ET            

I think you're mistaking 'patriotism' for 'nationalism'.

'Patriotism' is thinking your country has a pretty good thing going. It is not, except for extremists, thinking your country is perfect.

'Nationalism' is thinking your nation is the best.

There is a difference between 'nation' and 'country', though it is often overlooked these days. 'Nation' refers to an ethnic group. 'Country' refers to a political entity. For example, one of Hitler's goals was to unite the German nation in one country.

posted 07-19-99 04:46 PM ET            

I am begging you on my knees, would you please exit this forum beacuse I AM SO ****EN TIRED OF READING YOUR SUPERBORING AND STUPID POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

Please have a mercy upon me and go away from me. What do you want? You people torhcered my mind with your idiotism in that forum, now you want to come in this one too?
Ooooooh noo. Please no!!
Look, I know you are American but please have a mercy. Please?

Didn't I say about my last post in "If you dislike America..."? I said I am leaving you guys so I left. Now you have that forum just for yourself and you can write whatever you want. I don't care and I won't read it.

So I am asking you really nice: leave me alone.There are many other people who wish to submit their posts about this subject - hating USA and all related with - so please be civilizated and spare us of your cheap american patriotism?

I don't want to read your posts anymore - I might get sleep.

So please...
Ok?

posted 07-19-99 05:08 PM ET            

Sorry for being boring with another post, but I just sew your page and I must say that
I am so impressed with it.

"Just say no to religion."

YEAAAAAAAH BABY!! LONG LIVE WISE AND INTELIGENT PEOPLE!!

You know, I live in the neighbourhood jusimilar to Stephen Dedalus' from Joyce's
" A Portrait of the Artist as Young Man."

How can you convince that people that there is no God, there is no Hell or Heaven, and there are no any angels, kerubins, devils and such fairy-tales for little children?
You can't, the religion is the opium that poisoned their pathetic minds.
They hate all who don't believe (or believe different) and they think that I am the mean and they are good ones!!
What a idiotism!!

Thank you for your page. I have put it in my bookmarks. It's really inspiring.

To "stranger":

posted 07-19-99 05:24 PM ET            

Look at the difference(from Webster's):

Main Entry: pa�tri�ot�ism
Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&-"ti-z&m, chiefly British 'pa-
Function: noun
Date: circa 1726
: love for or devotion to one's country

Main Entry: na�tion�al�ism
Pronunciation: 'nash-n&-"li-z&m, 'na-sh&-n&l-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1844
: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its
culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

I see nothing wrong with loving one's country. Nationalism, however, revolts me.

Misho:

"'Just say no to religion.'

YEAAAAAAAH BABY!! LONG LIVE WISE AND INTELIGENT PEOPLE!!"

posted 07-19-99 06:13 PM ET            

I SWORE TO MYSELF THAT I WON'T DO THIS, THAT I AM NOT GOING TO ANSWER ON ANY OF YOUR FURTHER POSTS.
BUT LIKE OLD LATIN SAYING SAIS :

ERRARE HUMANUM EST.
(It's human to make mistakes.)

AND HERE I AM, I AM MAKING MISTAKE AGAIN.

Spoe, my dear friend.
Why do you have to cite some books and dictionaries again? Is it what turns you on?
You finally found your fetish? Excellent!! Some people live whole life without discovering their fetishes!!

Spoe, my dear American.
Perhaps you are not stupid (although I really doubt that), but you are being soooooooooooo BORING with your arguments that you write directly from the books.

Can you admit (without citing any book again)
that patriotism perhaps leads toward nationalism?

Patriot today, nationalist tommorow, bloody fool forever!!!

What is the country anyway? The big group of people from who I'll never meet even 0.0000001% ?
And I should be familiar with that people who are mostly different than I am?
Why? Because they all love me?
I wouldn't say so.

And bye the way...all goverments sucks.
Politics is not what it used to be.

Politics comes from "polis", the ancient Greek town, and early politics where about leading the towns in the best way possible.
Now politics means generating lies and craps for the best interests of few (politicians.
Tell me, can you really believe what Bill Clinton says? I can't.

posted 07-19-99 06:38 PM ET            

"Is it what turns you on?"
No, just trying to pass the time while I'm at work(and before you think I'm shirking my duties, I work help desk; if they don't call it's free-time).

"...but you are being soooooooooooo BORING with your arguments that you write directly from the books."
I won't dispute that my posts bore you; such things are a matter of personal taste.
But I don't simply regurgitate what I read. What I read often helps form my opinions. But for the most part anything I quote from a book are facts used to support my position. The one exception I can think of recently was from the Geneva Conventions on civilians. Someone asked what they said and I know of no other way to aswer than to quote the document itself.

"Can you admit (without citing any book again) that patriotism perhaps leads toward nationalism?"

Certainly, in extreme forms patriotism closely resembles nationalism. But that does not make patriotism inherently evil. I think a reasonable amount of patriotism is a good thing; it means you are interested in making your country a better place. By analogy, alcoholism is bad but that does not mean drinking in moderation is unhealthy(some studies actually suggest it can promote good health).

"And bye the way...all goverments sucks."
Yep. But some suck less than others.

"Tell me, can you really believe what Bill Clinton says? I can't."

posted 07-20-99 04:48 AM ET            

And, Misho, there is another latin saying for you:

fanatici sunt tenues in animo

posted 07-20-99 06:34 AM ET            

Ok, I am fanatic so leave me alone, ok?
Ignore me and don't reply your post here anymore.

Like I said: I've created this forum for to exchange opinions with someone who does hate USA, not for to arque with stupid idiots like you are.
You talk about democracy but you can't even stand different opinions so you insult everybody who opossites your point of view.

You Saras pronounce me for fanatic, and you used F-words in every your former posts because I said that communism wasn't so bad.

My dear friend, you are the one who's being INTOLERANT FANATIC, who can't stand different opinion and starts with insults.

You see, Internet is not American or Russian. Internet is free for everybody, and if I want to say that communism isn't bad as philosophy, than I have my right to say that. And if you don't want to read that than go away. I didn't call you here.

Goodbye apes.

I hope I won't see your fanatic and insulting posts again.

posted 07-20-99 06:38 AM ET            

Because you have been insulting, I'll reply in the same manner with just one sentence:

posted 07-20-99 06:48 AM ET            

I sew you as a author of some post here.
I didn't read it. I have no extra time to spend on people like you.
Hmmm.....Oh boy.....
You are really boring, you know that?
What can I say more?

Didn't you say you'll be happy when I left "If you dislike America..." forum?

By the way that forum was just a trap that you and your pals can find and insult someone who truly disagree American politics.

I left, I didn't want to be your target for insults anymore.
Only that Spoe guy behaved decently.

Spoe,thank you for not insulting me.

posted 07-20-99 05:14 PM ET            

Oh man, I'm thursty. I should go to the store and buy some cold mineral water.
This summer heat is penetrating the walls of my room and I really don't know what to do...what to do...

I go with my friends on the beach almost every day, but that doesn't help. As soon as we get out from the water that Sun toasts my back and I am starting to feel like fried chicken.

IT'S A SUMMER OF LOOOOOOOOOVE, BABY!!!
YEAAAAAAAAH!!

Yes indeed, it's a summer of love.
I see many beautiful babies on the streets willing for love.

Antonija asked me two days ago to go with her to the cinema.
-Yes- I said with stupidity in my voice and with my eyes on her beautiful abundant boobs.
Maybe this isn't such a damned place after all.
And bye the way... what man gotta do man gotta do.

Tonight I still have some time to go visit my pal Cele. He's home alone, and I am sure he'll find some grass for his old friend.
We'll probably listen some music too...or maybe watch stoned that series with Rick Mayall, the biggest British creep who ever existed!

- Good day. Is this sex-shop?
- Certainly sir, how can I help you?
- 2 kilos of sex, please.

You said something? Walrusssssh, Krusalla, Sara, Dance?

I really don't know. I don't read what you post.You are so boring.

Your sentences are always the same - stupid and full of egocentrism.
Why don't you do me a favor and get a hell out of this forum which, bye the way, I have created bye myself?
But,I won't beg you for that. But if you change from being boring to being interested, maybe I'll alow you to stay here.

And I won't call you apes anymore.
I didn't meet any ape in my life so how can I know that apes are not better than you?
And I suppose they are.
At least they are funny. You don't have even the gramm of sense of humor.

I also suppose that my posts are the biggest exitments in your pathetic, meaningless and empty lifes.

You have never met before such a cool guy like me, right? Do I make you laugh?
O come on,admit that,don't be ashamed!hehehe
Just kidding, ap....ooopss!

I said I won't do that again.
Apes may be too much valuable for being compared with you.

As far as I am concerned, you can all go to hell.
Exept of Spoe. I guess he's a good man.

And Saras...he was good guy in the beginning (you really made me laugh sometimes), but then he become too serious and all this pissed him off.
Now he can go to hell to (or you'll teach me that HTML so I'll forgive you...hehehe).

OK, GOODBYE FOR NOW, APES.

OH, AND IN THE CASE IF I DON'T SEE YOU - GOODMORNING, GOODEVENING AND GOODNIGHT!

P.S. did I call you apes again?

posted 07-20-99 05:51 PM ET            

How are you? How wife and kids?
I hope the are all fine. Say hello to them for me.

Krushala, you are in the U.S. Navy, right?
So practically, you are soldier?
Am I right?

So Krushala, my friend...
Why do you think that some ordinary student of philosophy (like myself), would like to hear what that particulary soldier (you) have to say about his country and its policy?

I know what do you think (that's actually mistake, you just think that you think), and what do you feel for your beloved USA.

And you know what - I doesn't impress me at all.
You tiny brain is being washed up by lousy patriotism and anti-communistic propaganda, so why should I give a damn about you and about your cheap patriotic words?

So I don't. I don't give a damn at all.

Goodbye.

posted 07-20-99 06:32 PM ET            

He has no less a valid opinion than your own, Misho. One's profession or topic of study has no weight on one's own opinions of country and that country's policy.
Now to go your route, only more legible.
Why should we listen to a mere philosophy student? Philosophy is nothing more than esoteric thoughts on the universe and your beliefs, based on things that happened in the past. You're not a history student, you're not a political sciences student, you're not an American; therefore, why should we pay attention to what you have to say about the historical actions of this country and their political motives?
Of course, rationality has no place within your mind. You believe that the deaths of 5 million people (mostly civilians; hell, on one island the Americans invaded somewhere in the pacific, Japanese -women and children- were -JUMPING- off cliffs; I fear to imagine what would have happened if we had invaded the Japanese mainland. Would there still be a Japanese culture today?) via carpet bombing and invasion is a better idea than the deaths of 120,000 and radiation-caused maimings of a couple hundred thousand more via two bombs.

: I know what do you think (that's actually mistake, you just think that you think), and what do you feel for your beloved USA.
And you know what - I doesn't impress me at all.

It isn't meant to impress you. If we meant to impress you (although I doubt it would, considering your large, yet diffuse brain clogged with pro-communist, anti-American rhetoric), all we'd have to say is 'Look at this country. We're 220 years old, founded on capitalism, and we're the most powerful damn nation in the world. Capitalism sucks, eh?'

:You tiny brain is being washed up by lousy patriotism and anti-communistic propaganda, so why should I give a damn about you and about your cheap patriotic words?

Brain size doesn't really matter. It's all a matter of density and bodysize/brainsize ratio.
You know, the same thing can be said about you, Misho. You're wrapped up in inane anti-American and anti-capitalist propaganda, with little experience with what you're bitching about. You're spouting off anti-American rhetoric that we've heard for decades.
Just a quick aside...without we Satan-Americans and our Evil Capitalist Economy, you wouldn't have that little box sitting on/next to your desk. You wouldn't have this whole 'Internet' thing (although, I admit, it has roots in CERN in Sweden (right, folks?), it was Satan-American universities who expanded it, then Evil American Capitalists who grabbed hold of it and grew it into what it is today). Without we Evil Satan-American Capitalists, there very likely wouldn't have a global satellite-based communications system available to anyone.
Without we Evil Satan-American Capitalists, Microsoft wouldn't exist (Ok, so that's -1 point for the ESAC). Without we Evil Satan-American Capitalists, North America would be controlled entirely by Canadians.

: So I don't. I don't give a damn at all.

"If I don't like what you're saying, you're irrelevant, boring, stupid, and I don't give a damn about you."
Whoa, I think that's the real-world (not ideal, like 'tolerance' or 'love') basis for a bunch of religions.

: Goodbye.

Do you intend to keep that promise, this time? Or are you planning on coming back to call me 'boring' or 'stupid'?
If you intend to keep it, here're some parting words...
Don't let the door hit you on your way out. That door's worth money, and it's hell to clean ignorance off of it.

posted 07-20-99 07:21 PM ET            

YOU ARE A GODDAMN MORON

posted 07-21-99 06:09 PM ET            

Hello!! Did you miss me?! I bet you did, hehehe.

Well, I had some work to do, sorry.

So, what's up?
I see you all still hate me.
But what can I say? It's your Internetial right to hate whoever you want.
And I agree with you. I really am.
I'm such a stupid and pathetic bastard, aren't I?

Well, like I said...
I didn't invite you here.

Spoe, thank you for not insulting me again.

Krushala, sorry, that was spontaneous.
Sometimes I am really impulsive. Eh!

Breaddnight, I saw your post again.
I didn't read so I can't comment.

posted 07-21-99 06:27 PM ET            

I'm sorry. You are right.
America is so cool. The richest country in the world. But there is only one thing (and that's I guess the personal problem of mine and of some other millions of people):

WE DO NOT VALUE THE MONEY AS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD.

And I also said before: do you Americans have some real time to spend your money?
You work all the time (usually 8.00-16.00, many even more).
You can't even take some time for a decent crap.

And I am not communist (this is the last time that I am saying this).
I prefer social democracy (like in Netherlands, France, Germany...).
I am just saying that communism as idea is not so bad like your propaganda claims.
American mouths are full of democracy and civils rights, but what about senator Joseph McCarthy during 50's?

Does someone has right to be the communist in your country? McCarthy showed clearly.

I do not hate America.
I hate Americans beacuse they think they can buy some brains with their money.
And they can't. Just like you can't.

And about your disregard to philosophy...
That's sais all about you.

Philosophy is the mother of all modern sciences.If you don't believe me, read some works of Aristotle.
Without philosophy the humans would still be like apes.
Just like you.

Goodbye primitive.

posted 07-21-99 07:41 PM ET            

"Does someone has right to be the communist in your country? McCarthy showed clearly."
Indeed they do. There's been a Communist ticket for president(Gus Hall has been the candidate for the most part, IIRC) for as long as I can remember.

posted 07-21-99 08:04 PM ET            

Do you really think that I could enter some bar in Lousiana or Arizona, and say:
"Hi guys, you know, I really like communism."
Well I could, but I wouldn't exit alive.

Spoe,like I said once before, you are probably the smartest guy among all of us.
Although I do not agree with your stands about use of nuclear weapon, I must admit that I really think about all of your arguments that you posts lately.
You know much more than I (after all I am just a student), and I like to read what you have to say .Just don't cite any books like you did before hehehe.

Draeddnutz, I saw your post again.
Sorry, I didn't read it.

posted 07-21-99 10:24 PM ET            

"But who guarantee that new 'McCarthy' won't show up, and maybe do even worse things?"

posted 07-22-99 05:59 PM ET            

To Dreadnought:

Sorry man, I lied. I read your every post,hehehe and I bet you know I do.
What would I do if I was Truman?

posted 07-22-99 06:11 PM ET            

Yes Spoe, you are right.
But actually, I think nobody would give a real damn on what do I think or talk about communism.
When I was in USA I saw some guy on the main street of the city who has a large and real snake (I think it was a piton) around his neck.
When I saw it I started to laugh, but nobody else around me didn't give a damn about his snake. They just didn't care.
They minded their own bussinesses.

Well I am trying to say that communism is dead, and nobody cares for dead ideas.
But I also think that people shouldn't say : "That guy Stalin was a sick communist".

First communist (if we talk about communism as an idea) was actually Plato, and the first Christian community also had communistic charatheristics (no private property,etc.)

Almost all "communistic" countries in the past were actually anti-communistic because they all were anti-human too.
Communism is just a noble idea, and nothing else, but most people can't understand that.

posted 07-22-99 06:27 PM ET            

I AM GOING WITH MY FRIENDS TO SAIL RHEGATA CUP AROUND DALMATIAN COAST (DALMATIA IS A PART OF CROATIA; REMEMBER 101 DALMATIANS? THAT KIND OF DOG IS ORIGINALLY FROM DALMATIA), SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO POST ANY MESSAGES DURING THAT TIME.

WELL, I'LL SURF WITH my BOAT FOR REAL!hehehe

WE'LL SAIL THAT CUP ("Neptunic" class) AND WE'LL TRY (FOUR OF US) TO WIN AT LEAST 1 st PLACE hehehehe.
THE RHEGATA WILL LAST FOR ABOUT 5 DAYS, BUT AFTER THAT I'LL THINK WE'LL SAIL TO PESCARA (ITALIAN CITY) AND VISIT SOME NICE bellas signorinas!!! yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhh

I WISH YOU ALL WELL, AND YOU'LL DEFINATELY SEE MY POSTS HERE AGAIN.
SO DON'T CRY FOR ME, OK? hehehe
I KNOW I PISSED OFF MANY OF YOU, BUT PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING BAD.

posted 07-25-99 07:15 AM ET            

I assuming you're referring to the passage in Acts where a couple is killed, supposedly for not giving all the money from the sale of some land to the community. However, look at the actual passage. Peter says "Didn't [the land] belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

posted 07-26-99 08:24 AM ET            

What do you know about happyness, joy?

posted 07-26-99 09:27 AM ET            

Americans cannot cook good food (MACDONALDS!!!), so they hire French to do it;

Americans are so awful at maths and calculus, so all the univeristies are crammed with Majids, Rajivs, Igors etc. (Russians and Indians)

Californian software support nerds can't read books because they have paper allergy, so they go to public forums, post flame bait and expect to get all the answers they need to know for free. That will cost you $1,500/hour, boy

There is a fantastic economic miracle known as comparative advantage. US makes microchips, Europe makes Ferraris, Bimmers and tours of Paris. US can't make good beer (now I hear there is this micro brewery hype in the US, that they actually CAN make beer) so they ship it from Europe... Cormilloors is not beer. Europe makes luxury goods because it has taste.

Etc blah yada