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Krushala posted 07-17-99 08:41 PM ET
I feel bad for him and his family. Although I can't say I like the guy. And I'm already getting sick of all this news coverage. He hasn't had an impact on our country. But I'm beginning to think his family has a curse. They may have a lot of money and fame, but I don't think I would want to be a kennedy. Anybody else feel that family has a curse?
HolyWarrior posted 07-18-99 12:49 AM ET
When you make a deal with the Devil, payment's a bitch.
OhWell posted 07-18-99 09:49 AM ET
... and another one bites the dust...
walruskkkch posted 07-18-99 01:06 PM ET
Why not Ted? Why?
Trappist posted 07-18-99 01:31 PM ET
Because he'd float. Anyone remember Chappaquiddick? Or is that just water under the bridge?
Mind you, Ted's not in great shape these days. In the same situation he might get harpooned.
OhWell posted 07-18-99 01:32 PM ET
Well, they didn't have a C5 which would be required to get Ted off the ground...
walruskkkch posted 07-18-99 05:56 PM ET
New Theory on Chappaquiddick, Ted wasn't in the car. Made up story about driving and diving to sound "gallant". Real story was that he and Maryjo were spooked at Lover's Lane by some cops. Ted told her to drive home without him so he wouldn't be spotted. She was drunk and didn't know the roads so fell off bridge. This is supposed to be consistent with her lack of injuries to the face, the passanger side was heavily damaged and glass broken. I don't buy it, but then either story doesn't paint my senior senator in a very good light.
Dreadnought posted 07-18-99 06:24 PM ET
Hmmmmmm. Could someone plesae be so kind as to explain what Chappaquiddick is?
walruskkkch posted 07-18-99 10:19 PM ET
It's a small island next to Martha's Vineyard. You have to get there by a short ferry ride. Martha's Vineyard is a larger Island off the coast of massachusetts, many rich people summer there.
walruskkkch posted 07-18-99 10:21 PM ET
A bit further information. Ted Kennedy drove a car off a bridge on the island while returning home from a party. In the car was a young woman, not his wife. The woman died and Ted gave a lame excuse as to what happened.
Dreadnought posted 07-18-99 10:28 PM ET
I was just watching the local news, and they have dedicated almost half of the program to reporting about JFK Jr. I don't mean to come of as insensitve, but what did this man do for our contry to marrit such attention? He was the son of a mediocre president and he published a magazine, nothing more. Given, I do feel sympathy for the loss his all ready misofortuned family must feel, but please, save the media obsession for a citzen who truly desrves it.
Saras posted 07-19-99 02:40 AM ET
Dead Kennedys
Dreadnought posted 07-19-99 03:06 AM ET
Wow, I sure managed to cram a lot of typos into that little paragraph.....
walruskkkch posted 07-19-99 01:29 PM ET
He's getting media coverage because he's a Kennedy. Nothing more. They are a national fixation here since we don't have royalty and we tend to really go overboard in regards to worshiping celebrities. It's as bad as princess Di.
stranger posted 07-19-99 01:35 PM ET
This lunacy is like an episode of Monty Python, in real time.
onepaul posted 07-19-99 01:39 PM ET
-click-
"...plane is missing..."
-click-
"...shoes were found..."
-click-
"...beacon..."
48 hours later...
-click-
"...plane still missing..."
-click-
"...plane can carry 6 people and fly at 166 knots..."
Only in America, can a tv newtork extend a 10 minute event to countless hours.
Another example: when that Evil canival dick was jumping over that building, it took only about 15 seconds to do it, but FOX made it into 1 hour wroth of "quality" programming.
I can just picture the Fox suits going:
C.E.O: "Allright here he goes, cross your fingers boys..."
vrm...vrm...vrrrrrooooomm...ehhhh...ehhhhh!!!
C.E.O: "God damn it! He made it! I owe you dinner, Mike. FAQ!"
I love this country!
Spoe posted 07-19-99 05:30 PM ET
I think that most of us here cannot understand why there is a fascination with the Kennedys in this country. Why? I think it is because most of us did not live through Camelot, the Kennedy presidency(at least no while old enough to remember it).
Rex Little posted 07-19-99 08:13 PM ET
I did live through it (14 years old when JFK was shot) and I still can't understand what the fuss is all about. Never could.
A local talk show host this morning pointed out that except for the assassinations, all the Kennedy misfortunes have been brought on by behavior that was self-destructive or at least risky. I agree with that, but even so it does seem like their numbers come up more often than the odds warrant. I mean, how many hundreds of pilots have flown in worse weather with less experience than Junior, and made it down just fine?
walruskkkch posted 07-19-99 08:23 PM ET
The question isn't how many pilots flew in worse weather and were fine, rather, how many crashed and you didin't hear anything about them? Aside from the assassinations if you examined families over a 40 year stretch, you would probably see a lot of similar tragedies occuring. It is just that when it involves the Kennedys it's front page news.
Misho posted 07-20-99 05:33 PM ET

Well, I really think that it's all fault of CIA or US Army.
Like those WASP bastard murdered J.F.K. in Dallas, and later his brother - also the candidate for president - than I wouldn't be surprised that some F-16 shot down that piper in the sea.
After all, they are all racists and fagets.
(I mean on US Army, the CIA is even worse).
So long...
OhWell posted 07-20-99 06:04 PM ET
Yea right, Misho, the US Army is a bunch of "fagets"... And they are coming to get YOU! Look out your window! Buwahahahaha...
walruskkkch posted 07-20-99 11:09 PM ET
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Misho!
Timexwatch posted 07-20-99 11:47 PM ET
Misho,
Thank god you didn't diss the Navy. A relative of mine would have to send a few cruise missle at you from his 688.....
JayPegg posted 07-21-99 11:07 AM ET
They just found the plane wreckage and jr kennedy's body.
sandworm posted 07-21-99 11:29 AM ET
Misho should fear his english teacher more than he fears "fagets", whatever those are.
So if I crashed a piper at sea with my wife and her sister on board, would I get a search party like he had? I think not.
sandworm posted 07-21-99 11:30 AM ET
trappist, that joke was all wet
ugh, sandworm
walruskkkch posted 07-21-99 12:55 PM ET
No Sandman, we'd just have a party.
Seriously, just kidding. Honest unjun!
Misho posted 07-21-99 04:19 PM ET
Yes, I must admit that my English is pretty rusty. But what can I do, I have never learned it in the school (I chose French).
But anyway, you understand what I want to say, right? hehehehe

Timexwatch, you mentioned US Navy?
Well there is nothing much to say about those guys...
The whole world know that US Navy is a bunch of to S/M addicted rednecks who are playing with their exspensive ships and rockets...but they really don't fear anyone.
They are pussycats after all.
Krushala posted 07-21-99 05:12 PM ET
I guess everyone in america is a redneck right Misho. Do you even know what one is?
Misho posted 07-21-99 07:08 PM ET

I do. You.
Krushala posted 07-21-99 08:41 PM ET
Fraid' not. One big requirement is to be born in the south. Even though I currently live in the south I was not born there. Believe it or not I was born in a western state with a very good school system. But I guess because I don't have a college degree I'm a redneck. Jeff Foxworthy forgot to include that one.
Dreadnought posted 07-21-99 09:11 PM ET
Please, Misho, you remind me of children attempting to argue-
"You're a moron!"
"Do you know what a moron is?"
"Yeah, YOU!"
And what makes you think the Navy is addicted to S & M? Unfortunatly, Misho, you inadvertaly are the prime example of government controlled media on the average citizen's mind. Most third world nations are quite bitter that the United States economy is so succesful but doesnt give massive loans to them. So, the government fills it's airwaves with anti-US propganda attempting to re-educated the unfortunate citizens of it's semi-despotic nation. Misho, I am curious to know, what exactly makes you think that the United States is so imperialistic and enfatuated with the almighty dollar. Just becuase our nation is doing so exceptionally well economy-wise donest nessecarily mean that all of it's citizens are money grubbing social climbers. Please do not knock something you do not fully understand, at least do some research first.
Krushala posted 07-21-99 09:39 PM ET
Actually Misho just wishes us Navy guys are into S&M. I'm sure he's up night fantasizing about sweaty navy guys in the showers together. I hate to dissapoint you Misho, but most navy guys are just regular family guys with wife and kids. But that doesn't mean you can't keep fantasizing.
JayPegg posted 07-21-99 09:52 PM ET
This topic is too depressing, I'll lighten it up
hope this works~

hope that's readable
JayPegg posted 07-21-99 09:53 PM ET
damn
Ronbo posted 07-22-99 12:35 AM ET
Hey, Krushala,
What is your rate? Seeing that you are stationed in Pascagoula, I am assuming you are a blackshoe...
Ron the Airedale twidget
NAS North Island, CA
Dreadnought posted 07-22-99 12:40 AM ET
Worth a shot.....
OhWell posted 07-22-99 07:08 AM ET
Back on topic...
I just heard that they were going to bury him at sea off of a US Navy Destroyer. What�s up with that? I don�t really care one way or the other, but it seems rather odd. ???
JayPegg posted 07-22-99 01:49 PM ET
What were you trying to post dread? I was trying to get a news article I found about killer robots storming Bill Gates' childhood bully....
~kelso
no ****
Dreadnought posted 07-22-99 03:00 PM ET
Jaypegg, I was trying to re-post whatever you were posting. I looked in veiw source, and it looked as if you didnt put the " marks in there. Nevamind though.
Ohwell, the way people are talking about John Jr, you would think the president died. He never did anything for America, save publishing a poor magazine. There are so many more people in America who have spent thier lives trying to make a diffrence, or trying to make the world a better place. And when they die, you will never hear about them. They won't even get a burial at sea by a destoryer . I think America's fixation on celebrrities is quite disturbing. I guess we all feel our lives are boring and worthless. [rant]AND WHY THE FUC ARE ACTORS AND ACRTESSES GETTING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER PICTURE?!!?!?!? They don't deserve it! Neither do atheletes! They get paid to play games for crissake! When will this damn country take the time to celebrate the REAL heros out there? Such as the inner city public school teachers, who try to make a diffrence in a young student's life, but get paid next to nothing? I bet you dollars to ****ing donuts that if a scientist discovered fusion power or the Unified Field Thoery tommorow, it would still get overshadowed by this John Jr. Shit. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH[/rant]
OhWell posted 07-22-99 03:23 PM ET
Dread,
I agree 100%. The good news is that we don�t have to worry about him running for Prez some day and he didn�t get to breed (AFAIK... well he may have had a few "off record"). I don�t think that the average American is necessarily �fixated� on this crap. It�s mainly the screwy media. Maybe we should give all the news/entertainment media morons a free burial at sea! Oh wait. That wouldn�t work. Two reasons: 1) Crap floats. 2) Green Peace would be on our case for polluting the oceans!
DerekM posted 07-22-99 03:33 PM ET
It seems like they spent a lot of taxpayer dollars finding the body, after which they burned it and basically used more taxpayer money to put it back where they found it. Why? The man was a magazine publisher, known more for his relationship to JFK senior and his choice of bedmates than anything else. Being the son of a president normally does not grant you any special honors.
The reason has to be the baby boomers. They see JFK jr. and remember "Camelot," and all the other pseudo-touchy-feely legend that has risen around the Kennedy administration. IMNSHO, Kennedy was a very charismatic man who was assassinated before he had the chance to publicly screw something up in a big way. Let us not forget how he cheated on his wife, or the fact that he almost caused a nuclear war. Let us also not forget the Vietnam War, which Kennedy pushed us into before Johnson went over the top with it.
Dreadnought posted 07-22-99 04:06 PM ET
What is the big fixation on the Kennedys anyway? He was a mediocre president. The only thing I can think of is that since we don't have any royalty, the Kennedys are the closest thing to it. I think someone said that already. This is just like that Princess Di thing a few years back, but at at least she did some charity work, I think. If you think the American media is obssesed with celebrities, you should look at Britian! Just about everything the royalty does is front age news.
Misho posted 07-22-99 05:51 PM ET
Well, I'm sorry to hear that guy is dead.
I hope he gained eternal piece after all.

Dreadnought, I must admit that you are right.
I really have some bad prejudices about USA.

Krushala, sorry man. I didn't want to insult you. I do not think you are redneck.
And college degree doesn't mean anything.
I know many people with college degree who are so mean and immoral.
I really don't have anything against US Army or Navy either. I just wanted to provocate you a little bit.
I hope you are not too mad me.
bye now...
Krushala posted 07-22-99 08:01 PM ET
I don't get mad at people I never have met. Navy jokes don't bother me. I've heard them all.
Ronbo, I'm a MM2 (machinist mate). A dieing rate I know. As gas turbine ships are slowly taking over.
Natguy posted 07-26-99 04:41 PM ET
In my opinion, Kennedy was not a mediocre president. He was a bad President! Let's review the highlights of his term (now remember I was not alive then so this could be distorted by misreportation of misinterpretation (I made the first of those two words up!) to me:
Height of the Cold War (bad)
Bay of Pigs (bad)
Cuban Missile Crisis (bad, although he handled it well)
And his personal life:
Mob ties, or at least some shady connections
The whole Matilyn Monroe affair (Do you remember that Saturday Night Live skit where Clintion had just been elected and Madonna sang "Happy Inauguration Day to You" in that same sexy voice as Marylin and Hillary was throwing a fit and threatening to leave? Hilarious!)
Spoe posted 07-26-99 05:23 PM ET
It wasn't so much that he was a good or bad president(though to be fair you should also add in the thing he did that were good: cut the top income tax bracket from 94%, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was his(he just didn't live long enough), the space program; I also think it's a bit false to blame the cold war on him) but that he was a president that appealed to the public and was assasinated before the scandals really came out.
Krushala posted 07-26-99 05:33 PM ET
He wasn't blaming the cold war on JFK. He was just saying the cold war was at it's worst during his administration. Although I feel this is not JFK's fault. He was a strong president and that was what we needed at that time. A lesser president would have let the soviets build as many missles as they wanted in cuba. But I don't think he was a great president though. I'll never understand america's fixation with him and his family.
Spoe posted 07-26-99 05:45 PM ET
Or a weaker president would have invaded Cuba, triggering a nuclear war(Soviet forces had operational tactical nukes that were effectively under the control of the commander on the scene; you think he wouldn't have dropped a couple at the beachhead and Guantanamo for good measure?).
And I meant blaming the state of the nuclear war on him(though campaigning on the nonexistant missile gap probably didn't help a while lot, but this was completely understandable based on unclassified info from the time).
Timexwatch posted 07-26-99 07:45 PM ET
Krushala,
Off-topic, are you conventional or nuclear Machineist mate? Just wanted yo know because up here in my corner of NY, there are tons of nuke guys up here...
Krushala posted 07-27-99 05:58 PM ET
I used to be a nuclear machinist mate, but I got into a little trouble, he he. So I'm with the conventional guys now. Not too bad though.
Krushala posted 07-27-99 06:00 PM ET
I thought they were going to close that nuclear prototype school in NY. I went to the prototype in South Carolina. Then I went to the USS Enterprise.
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Author	Topic: JFK jr.
Krushala	posted 07-17-99 08:41 PM ET I feel bad for him and his family. Although I can't say I like the guy. And I'm already getting sick of all this news coverage. He hasn't had an impact on our country. But I'm beginning to think his family has a curse. They may have a lot of money and fame, but I don't think I would want to be a kennedy. Anybody else feel that family has a curse?
HolyWarrior	posted 07-18-99 12:49 AM ET When you make a deal with the Devil, payment's a bitch.
OhWell	posted 07-18-99 09:49 AM ET ... and another one bites the dust...
walruskkkch	posted 07-18-99 01:06 PM ET Why not Ted? Why?
Trappist	posted 07-18-99 01:31 PM ET Because he'd float. Anyone remember Chappaquiddick? Or is that just water under the bridge? Mind you, Ted's not in great shape these days. In the same situation he might get harpooned.
OhWell	posted 07-18-99 01:32 PM ET Well, they didn't have a C5 which would be required to get Ted off the ground...
walruskkkch	posted 07-18-99 05:56 PM ET New Theory on Chappaquiddick, Ted wasn't in the car. Made up story about driving and diving to sound "gallant". Real story was that he and Maryjo were spooked at Lover's Lane by some cops. Ted told her to drive home without him so he wouldn't be spotted. She was drunk and didn't know the roads so fell off bridge. This is supposed to be consistent with her lack of injuries to the face, the passanger side was heavily damaged and glass broken. I don't buy it, but then either story doesn't paint my senior senator in a very good light.
Dreadnought	posted 07-18-99 06:24 PM ET Hmmmmmm. Could someone plesae be so kind as to explain what Chappaquiddick is?
walruskkkch	posted 07-18-99 10:19 PM ET It's a small island next to Martha's Vineyard. You have to get there by a short ferry ride. Martha's Vineyard is a larger Island off the coast of massachusetts, many rich people summer there.
walruskkkch	posted 07-18-99 10:21 PM ET A bit further information. Ted Kennedy drove a car off a bridge on the island while returning home from a party. In the car was a young woman, not his wife. The woman died and Ted gave a lame excuse as to what happened.
Dreadnought	posted 07-18-99 10:28 PM ET I was just watching the local news, and they have dedicated almost half of the program to reporting about JFK Jr. I don't mean to come of as insensitve, but what did this man do for our contry to marrit such attention? He was the son of a mediocre president and he published a magazine, nothing more. Given, I do feel sympathy for the loss his all ready misofortuned family must feel, but please, save the media obsession for a citzen who truly desrves it.
Saras	posted 07-19-99 02:40 AM ET Dead Kennedys
Dreadnought	posted 07-19-99 03:06 AM ET Wow, I sure managed to cram a lot of typos into that little paragraph.....
walruskkkch	posted 07-19-99 01:29 PM ET He's getting media coverage because he's a Kennedy. Nothing more. They are a national fixation here since we don't have royalty and we tend to really go overboard in regards to worshiping celebrities. It's as bad as princess Di.
stranger	posted 07-19-99 01:35 PM ET This lunacy is like an episode of Monty Python, in real time.
onepaul	posted 07-19-99 01:39 PM ET -click- "...plane is missing..." -click- "...shoes were found..." -click- "...beacon..." 48 hours later... -click- "...plane still missing..." -click- "...plane can carry 6 people and fly at 166 knots..." Only in America, can a tv newtork extend a 10 minute event to countless hours. Another example: when that Evil canival dick was jumping over that building, it took only about 15 seconds to do it, but FOX made it into 1 hour wroth of "quality" programming. I can just picture the Fox suits going: C.E.O: "Allright here he goes, cross your fingers boys..." vrm...vrm...vrrrrrooooomm...ehhhh...ehhhhh!!! C.E.O: "God damn it! He made it! I owe you dinner, Mike. FAQ!" I love this country!
Spoe	posted 07-19-99 05:30 PM ET I think that most of us here cannot understand why there is a fascination with the Kennedys in this country. Why? I think it is because most of us did not live through Camelot, the Kennedy presidency(at least no while old enough to remember it).
Rex Little	posted 07-19-99 08:13 PM ET I did live through it (14 years old when JFK was shot) and I still can't understand what the fuss is all about. Never could. A local talk show host this morning pointed out that except for the assassinations, all the Kennedy misfortunes have been brought on by behavior that was self-destructive or at least risky. I agree with that, but even so it does seem like their numbers come up more often than the odds warrant. I mean, how many hundreds of pilots have flown in worse weather with less experience than Junior, and made it down just fine?
walruskkkch	posted 07-19-99 08:23 PM ET The question isn't how many pilots flew in worse weather and were fine, rather, how many crashed and you didin't hear anything about them? Aside from the assassinations if you examined families over a 40 year stretch, you would probably see a lot of similar tragedies occuring. It is just that when it involves the Kennedys it's front page news.
Misho	posted 07-20-99 05:33 PM ET Well, I really think that it's all fault of CIA or US Army. Like those WASP bastard murdered J.F.K. in Dallas, and later his brother - also the candidate for president - than I wouldn't be surprised that some F-16 shot down that piper in the sea. After all, they are all racists and fagets. (I mean on US Army, the CIA is even worse). So long...
OhWell	posted 07-20-99 06:04 PM ET Yea right, Misho, the US Army is a bunch of "fagets"... And they are coming to get YOU! Look out your window! Buwahahahaha...
walruskkkch	posted 07-20-99 11:09 PM ET Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Misho!
Timexwatch	posted 07-20-99 11:47 PM ET Misho, Thank god you didn't diss the Navy. A relative of mine would have to send a few cruise missle at you from his 688.....
JayPegg	posted 07-21-99 11:07 AM ET They just found the plane wreckage and jr kennedy's body.
sandworm	posted 07-21-99 11:29 AM ET Misho should fear his english teacher more than he fears "fagets", whatever those are. So if I crashed a piper at sea with my wife and her sister on board, would I get a search party like he had? I think not.
sandworm	posted 07-21-99 11:30 AM ET trappist, that joke was all wet ugh, sandworm
walruskkkch	posted 07-21-99 12:55 PM ET No Sandman, we'd just have a party. Seriously, just kidding. Honest unjun!
Misho	posted 07-21-99 04:19 PM ET Yes, I must admit that my English is pretty rusty. But what can I do, I have never learned it in the school (I chose French). But anyway, you understand what I want to say, right? hehehehe Timexwatch, you mentioned US Navy? Well there is nothing much to say about those guys... The whole world know that US Navy is a bunch of to S/M addicted rednecks who are playing with their exspensive ships and rockets...but they really don't fear anyone. They are pussycats after all.
Krushala	posted 07-21-99 05:12 PM ET I guess everyone in america is a redneck right Misho. Do you even know what one is?
Misho	posted 07-21-99 07:08 PM ET I do. You.
Krushala	posted 07-21-99 08:41 PM ET Fraid' not. One big requirement is to be born in the south. Even though I currently live in the south I was not born there. Believe it or not I was born in a western state with a very good school system. But I guess because I don't have a college degree I'm a redneck. Jeff Foxworthy forgot to include that one.
Dreadnought	posted 07-21-99 09:11 PM ET Please, Misho, you remind me of children attempting to argue- "You're a moron!" "Do you know what a moron is?" "Yeah, YOU!" And what makes you think the Navy is addicted to S & M? Unfortunatly, Misho, you inadvertaly are the prime example of government controlled media on the average citizen's mind. Most third world nations are quite bitter that the United States economy is so succesful but doesnt give massive loans to them. So, the government fills it's airwaves with anti-US propganda attempting to re-educated the unfortunate citizens of it's semi-despotic nation. Misho, I am curious to know, what exactly makes you think that the United States is so imperialistic and enfatuated with the almighty dollar. Just becuase our nation is doing so exceptionally well economy-wise donest nessecarily mean that all of it's citizens are money grubbing social climbers. Please do not knock something you do not fully understand, at least do some research first.
Krushala	posted 07-21-99 09:39 PM ET Actually Misho just wishes us Navy guys are into S&M. I'm sure he's up night fantasizing about sweaty navy guys in the showers together. I hate to dissapoint you Misho, but most navy guys are just regular family guys with wife and kids. But that doesn't mean you can't keep fantasizing.
JayPegg	posted 07-21-99 09:52 PM ET This topic is too depressing, I'll lighten it up hope this works~ hope that's readable
JayPegg	posted 07-21-99 09:53 PM ET damn
Ronbo	posted 07-22-99 12:35 AM ET Hey, Krushala, What is your rate? Seeing that you are stationed in Pascagoula, I am assuming you are a blackshoe... Ron the Airedale twidget NAS North Island, CA
Dreadnought	posted 07-22-99 12:40 AM ET Worth a shot.....
OhWell	posted 07-22-99 07:08 AM ET Back on topic... I just heard that they were going to bury him at sea off of a US Navy Destroyer. What�s up with that? I don�t really care one way or the other, but it seems rather odd. ???
JayPegg	posted 07-22-99 01:49 PM ET What were you trying to post dread? I was trying to get a news article I found about killer robots storming Bill Gates' childhood bully.... ~kelso no ****
Dreadnought	posted 07-22-99 03:00 PM ET Jaypegg, I was trying to re-post whatever you were posting. I looked in veiw source, and it looked as if you didnt put the " marks in there. Nevamind though. Ohwell, the way people are talking about John Jr, you would think the president died. He never did anything for America, save publishing a poor magazine. There are so many more people in America who have spent thier lives trying to make a diffrence, or trying to make the world a better place. And when they die, you will never hear about them. They won't even get a burial at sea by a destoryer . I think America's fixation on celebrrities is quite disturbing. I guess we all feel our lives are boring and worthless. [rant]AND WHY THE FUC ARE ACTORS AND ACRTESSES GETTING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER PICTURE?!!?!?!? They don't deserve it! Neither do atheletes! They get paid to play games for crissake! When will this damn country take the time to celebrate the REAL heros out there? Such as the inner city public school teachers, who try to make a diffrence in a young student's life, but get paid next to nothing? I bet you dollars to ****ing donuts that if a scientist discovered fusion power or the Unified Field Thoery tommorow, it would still get overshadowed by this John Jr. Shit. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH[/rant]
OhWell	posted 07-22-99 03:23 PM ET Dread, I agree 100%. The good news is that we don�t have to worry about him running for Prez some day and he didn�t get to breed (AFAIK... well he may have had a few "off record"). I don�t think that the average American is necessarily �fixated� on this crap. It�s mainly the screwy media. Maybe we should give all the news/entertainment media morons a free burial at sea! Oh wait. That wouldn�t work. Two reasons: 1) Crap floats. 2) Green Peace would be on our case for polluting the oceans!
DerekM	posted 07-22-99 03:33 PM ET It seems like they spent a lot of taxpayer dollars finding the body, after which they burned it and basically used more taxpayer money to put it back where they found it. Why? The man was a magazine publisher, known more for his relationship to JFK senior and his choice of bedmates than anything else. Being the son of a president normally does not grant you any special honors. The reason has to be the baby boomers. They see JFK jr. and remember "Camelot," and all the other pseudo-touchy-feely legend that has risen around the Kennedy administration. IMNSHO, Kennedy was a very charismatic man who was assassinated before he had the chance to publicly screw something up in a big way. Let us not forget how he cheated on his wife, or the fact that he almost caused a nuclear war. Let us also not forget the Vietnam War, which Kennedy pushed us into before Johnson went over the top with it.
Dreadnought	posted 07-22-99 04:06 PM ET What is the big fixation on the Kennedys anyway? He was a mediocre president. The only thing I can think of is that since we don't have any royalty, the Kennedys are the closest thing to it. I think someone said that already. This is just like that Princess Di thing a few years back, but at at least she did some charity work, I think. If you think the American media is obssesed with celebrities, you should look at Britian! Just about everything the royalty does is front age news.
Misho	posted 07-22-99 05:51 PM ET Well, I'm sorry to hear that guy is dead. I hope he gained eternal piece after all. Dreadnought, I must admit that you are right. I really have some bad prejudices about USA. Krushala, sorry man. I didn't want to insult you. I do not think you are redneck. And college degree doesn't mean anything. I know many people with college degree who are so mean and immoral. I really don't have anything against US Army or Navy either. I just wanted to provocate you a little bit. I hope you are not too mad me. bye now...
Krushala	posted 07-22-99 08:01 PM ET I don't get mad at people I never have met. Navy jokes don't bother me. I've heard them all. Ronbo, I'm a MM2 (machinist mate). A dieing rate I know. As gas turbine ships are slowly taking over.
Natguy	posted 07-26-99 04:41 PM ET In my opinion, Kennedy was not a mediocre president. He was a bad President! Let's review the highlights of his term (now remember I was not alive then so this could be distorted by misreportation of misinterpretation (I made the first of those two words up!) to me: Height of the Cold War (bad) Bay of Pigs (bad) Cuban Missile Crisis (bad, although he handled it well) And his personal life: Mob ties, or at least some shady connections The whole Matilyn Monroe affair (Do you remember that Saturday Night Live skit where Clintion had just been elected and Madonna sang "Happy Inauguration Day to You" in that same sexy voice as Marylin and Hillary was throwing a fit and threatening to leave? Hilarious!)
Spoe	posted 07-26-99 05:23 PM ET It wasn't so much that he was a good or bad president(though to be fair you should also add in the thing he did that were good: cut the top income tax bracket from 94%, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was his(he just didn't live long enough), the space program; I also think it's a bit false to blame the cold war on him) but that he was a president that appealed to the public and was assasinated before the scandals really came out.
Krushala	posted 07-26-99 05:33 PM ET He wasn't blaming the cold war on JFK. He was just saying the cold war was at it's worst during his administration. Although I feel this is not JFK's fault. He was a strong president and that was what we needed at that time. A lesser president would have let the soviets build as many missles as they wanted in cuba. But I don't think he was a great president though. I'll never understand america's fixation with him and his family.
Spoe	posted 07-26-99 05:45 PM ET Or a weaker president would have invaded Cuba, triggering a nuclear war(Soviet forces had operational tactical nukes that were effectively under the control of the commander on the scene; you think he wouldn't have dropped a couple at the beachhead and Guantanamo for good measure?). And I meant blaming the state of the nuclear war on him(though campaigning on the nonexistant missile gap probably didn't help a while lot, but this was completely understandable based on unclassified info from the time).
Timexwatch	posted 07-26-99 07:45 PM ET Krushala, Off-topic, are you conventional or nuclear Machineist mate? Just wanted yo know because up here in my corner of NY, there are tons of nuke guys up here...
Krushala	posted 07-27-99 05:58 PM ET I used to be a nuclear machinist mate, but I got into a little trouble, he he. So I'm with the conventional guys now. Not too bad though.
Krushala	posted 07-27-99 06:00 PM ET I thought they were going to close that nuclear prototype school in NY. I went to the prototype in South Carolina. Then I went to the USS Enterprise.