posted 07-13-99 08:24 AM ET        

- blasting a hole in the side of a space shuttle with a minigun in Armageddon

- Batman kicking the floor out of the batmobile

- Bruce Willis lighting a stream of aviation fuel to kill the bad guys at the end of Die Hard 2.

posted 07-13-99 08:36 AM ET            

- Any starship that explodes in space and makes a sound

posted 07-13-99 11:36 AM ET         

"Jack! I'll never let you go!"

-Blub blub blub-

posted 07-14-99 03:20 AM ET            

Secretary of Defense, "I'm not Jewish"
Jeff Goldblum's Dad, " Nobody's perfect."

GRRRRRAAAAAAOOOOOOOONNNNNN.

posted 07-14-99 04:00 AM ET            

Will Smith's girlfriend avoids an explosion by ducking into a janitor's closet inside a tunnel, yet the special effects show the beam knocking over buildings, and there's
even a shot of the entire city being levelled. The next day, however, there's all sorts of debris and survivors left behind.

When Will Smith is trying to fly the craft, he pushes forward and the ship rams against the back wall. He then laughingly turns the "instruction sheet" taped in front of
him upside down. This would also reverse left and right, as well as forward and backward.

You cannot put disks from a Macintosh into an IBM and have them work, yet Jeff Goldblum is able to send a virus from a Mac into a completely alien system which,
for all we know, may not even run on electrons.

If these aliens are technologically advanced enough to travel distant worlds, create bio-mechanical suits, and have an organised docking system, how come they still
rely on the mother ship, full of civilians, probably, for the shield power to hundreds, maybe thousands, of fighters?

When the fleet of alien vessels is wiping out the army base, they fire hundreds of shots, yet we never see any of them hit the ground, except to blow up a few planes.

The wedding ring was huge. It wouldn't have fit Jasmine's fingers.

Why did the aliens take up position over the First Interstate building in downtown L.A.? This is not the centre of L.A., nor is it a pivotal role in the functioning of the
city, like the White House. Come to think of it, neither is The Empire State Building in New York City. These don't sound like very practical tactical positions. They
must really hate bankers.

When Dr. Okun and the group of other scientists are operating on the alien, its head springs open. Dr. Okun then says "...and now comes the really icky part." The
last aliens that were operated on were the ones from the crash in Roswell, New Mexico, back in 1947. How would he know how icky it was? He was a child the
last time that aliens were cut open. [He could have seen documents or videos about dissecting aliens].

Before the ships arrive, the Secretary of Defence offers to blow the ships up, then a general advises against it for fear of turning one falling object into many. This still
applies at the end when sizeable chunks of the ship are plummeting to Earth, but no one is worried about being struck by them.

When the alien wakes up, how come the alien doesn't try to escape through the glass, since the glass isn't bullet proof?

Why doesn't the Mother Ship recognise the 1953 model of the Alien Space Ship? Don't they make improvements on their models every year?

As Will Smith's girlfriend walks out of the tunnel, there are two palm trees still standing. If the flame bursts flatten buildings, how could two palm trees avoid being
flattened?

How is it that Will Smith's girlfriend could live through the gigantic fireball that barrelled its way through the tunnel she was in? A fireball of that size would no doubt
cause all the oxygen in the tunnel to either burn up (leaving her nothing to breathe) or become super-heated and kill her that way.

Will Smith's girlfriend finds an abandoned truck - why didn't the gasoline in the tank explode when it came in contact with the fireball? There is no way that fireball
missed a truck that size sitting so close to the opening of the tunnel.

When jets are sent in to attack the giant UFOs, a missile is fired at it and is shown to turn one way, but when it flips to another angle the jet and missile are shown
turning in opposite directions as to a few seconds before.

When Randy Quaid flies his jet into the giant ship, the ship was directly over top of the base where all the American military leaders were. As he blows the ship up, it
falls to the ground. Now keep in mind, the UFO was 15 miles in diameter - how could it NOT land on the base?

When the First Lady is hopping in the helicopter to fly out of L.A., another helicopter is nearby. It flies past a building that has a large IBM logo on it. People are
standing on the top of the building, giving the impression that it is one of the first buildings to blow up. Remember that the movie was sponsored by Apple.

Many people refer to the alien ships as "UFO's", yet UFO stands for "Un-identified Flying Object" These ships were clearly identified as alien craft, and are therefore
in no way UFO's. [You could argue that "UFO" has become a bit of a generic term]/

In the opening scene, the footprints on the moon are covered up as the Mothership flies by. How could this be? Without an atmosphere, no wind can be created, and
in order for vibrations to disturb the moon dust, a part of the ship would have to be touching the moon.

In the scene with Will Smith ad Jeff Goldblum in the cockpit of the alien ship, watch Will Smith's hand as he holds the cigar up. His fingers are together from one
camera angle, but they are separated from another.

When Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum are in the alien Mothership and they think they are going to die they light up their cigars. However after they escape and land in
the desert they are still smoking them! They must have continued smoking them throughout the entire escape of 30 seconds and coming back into the earth's
atmosphere.

When the President's assistant is waiting for him the first morning she is reading U.S.A Today. On the back there is a weather map and it is blue and green, the
colours for cold in U.S.A Today. It was a hot July day!

When the fighter shot the nuclear missile at the ship, the radar showed that the plane was very close to the blast when it hit. The shockwave would've either
destroyed the plane or killed the pilots within milliseconds! How could the jet possibly survive that?

When Jeff Goldblum and Judd Hirsch are playing chess, the radio next to them says it's 97 degrees outside. Yet the two men are both dressed as if it were winter
time.

The three helicopters hover by the alien space ship. The ship then shoots a beam to destroy all 3 of the helicopters. But the two smaller helicopters start to explode
from the inside before they are hit with the ray.

The ship in D.C. covers a significant portion of the city and doesn't move. It's raining when Jeff Goldblum and Judd Hirsch get there. Shouldn't the ground be dry
under the ship?

When Jeff Goldblum is getting drunk and he's talking to his ex-wife, at one point he slams the bottle down on the counter and a little liquor sprays up out the opening,
then they talk for a second, and he picks the bottle back up to pour himself more, but he now needs to unscrew the cap which was just lying next to the bottle.

When the dad stands up to talk about his flight experience and says that he was taken by aliens 10 years before, everyone laughs. Well we know there are aliens, so
why is everyone laughing?

While evacuating the white house thy used choppers - METAL choppers. The First Lady gets in one of those on the ground, 20 metres from where the beam hit,
which has enough heat to blow up buildings by itself. The chopper should have heated up to at least 3000 degrees - more then enough to vaporise the First Lady.

When Jeff Goldblum is throwing a tantrum in the hanger housing the captured alien craft he knocks over several plastic garbage cans one of which is clearly labelled
"Art Dept" - kind of odd for a top secret underground government military research facility.

When Will Smith is in his aircraft being chased through the canyon by by the alien fighters, I believe his airspeed indicator reads approximately Mach 2 or Mach 2.2
(or something in that range). As anyone who knows anything about flying and/or fighter aircraft knows, there is no way in hell an F/A-18 can go anywhere even close
to Mach 2. I believe they have a maximum speed of between Mach 1.3-1.6, and that is from flying straight and level (or probably straight down) at an altitude of
35,000 feet. The actual numbers are classified. The bottom line, however, is that the only way an F/A-18 is going to go Mach 2+ is by crashing.

Even if we suspend our disbelief of the aeroplane's speed capabilities, and we say the plane was actually capable of going Mach 2, the pilot would still have to
contend with the following:

1--The pilot would have to have superhuman reflexes to manoeuvre through a tight canyon at 1500 mph (or to put it in more down to earth terms: 2200+ feet per
second). By the time the mind acted on the need to turn the plane, it would be too late.
2--Making radical turns through a canyon at that speed would rip the wings off the plane (thus causing it to crash). But that is a moot point because a plane going that
fast would not be able to make tight turns, so being in such a tight canyon he would have just crashed into the side of the first turn he encountered.
3--The positive G forces from rapid manoeuvring would force all the blood out of his brain making him black out (and subsequently crash)
4--The negative G forces from rapid manoeuvring would force extra blood to his brain causing him to haemorrhage to death.

When the alien ship over New York blows up the Empire State Building you see the blastwave spill out in the street in front of the Empire State Building. This is in
that part of the city that's built in a grid pattern. In front of the Empire State Building there's just another building, not a street where the blastwave and debris can spill
into. All the people who are way down the street, looking at the building being hit by the beam just can't be there.

Anything hovering that huge over the earth would cause tidal waves.

In the movie, when Jeff Goldblum is sitting on the floor in the hanger where the alien ship is housed, he has had a bottle of alcohol and is falling down drunk. He even
knocks over several trash cans. Then, he gets the idea to implant the virus and is perfectly fine two seconds later. That's the fastest sobering up I've ever seen!

I think there's a comment about modern technology being based on alien technology. How, given that they only recently got power to the ship?

When Will Smith was flying over the remains of El Paso, there is nothing but rubble. It's flattened with only a few palm trees remaining. But when Jasmine comes to
the gate, you can clearly see planes (in good condition) behind her.

The signal the Mothership is sending, the so called beacon that times the arrival of all the ships over all their target sites, makes no sense. Why would you need that as
the captain of one of the smaller ships? If the order is given: be there at that time, why would you not be there? You're driving this big mother of a ship, you certainly
can make it in time.

And why bother waiting for the signal anyway? Why not enter the atmosphere guns blazing? Who is going to stop you? You just kill anything that moves. They
certainly had the fire power.

Why fire at the cities? Stupid, unnecessary mistake. First, from deep space, you make a detailed map of the planetary surface, then you fry all the cropland. You
don't need to kill anybody (save the odd unlucky farmer) and you wait for society to destabilise. You can have whatever stores you want, they will not last a year.

Why bother with the land? have them form a neat line over the oceans and turn them into water vapour. The heat those beams produced must certainly have been
sufficient (weapons grade and all). You wait for the clouds to block the sun and winter sets in. After a time, you just come down and harvest what you want.

More exotic: Those ships were big, I mean REALLY big. Why not fly a formation way out into space, and form a physical barrier before the sun, following the
earth's orbit? You induce arctic conditions overnight. You just do that and wait until earth is all neatly frozen over. There will be massive extinction of species on a
planetary scale, and after a while you just clean up and get what you want. What do these aliens want anyway? If it's resources, there must be limitless amounts in the
asteroids and on planetary moons. If it's "lebensraum" their technology must be sufficient for terraforming (or their equivalent). Why bother with earth?

From Dr. Okun in Area 51 we learn about the little gizmos in the roswell-ship, which turned alive with the arrival of the aliens. That
means, that the mothership supplies all the other units with energy and shield-power. This fact was the basis of Levinson�s plan to lounge a
virus there, knowing or hoping that the ships on earth would get infected. But a destroyed mothership would leave the invaders like the
roswell-ship during the preceded 45 years: unfunctional. Instead of fighting, President Whitmore and his mighty eagles could watch the
aliens bumping on earth and Levinson/Hiller running silent on their way to outer space.

When the "largest arial attack of mankind" is going on, right when the aliens start to fight back, the president orders "evasive
manuvers, squadron leaders, evasive manuvers!". Not one of the aliens shots hit any of the fighters. In the first arial battle, the air force
team get blown away in about 10 minutes. They were trained very well in that "crash course in modern avionics.

When Will Smith's character is flying against the alien, and they both crash, he walks over to the craft, and leaving aside that he
has no idea how to open it, he opens it anyway, and proceeds to punch out the alien with one hit, and it leave it unconcious for the next
however long it took them to get to the base. Now wouldnt the aliens come up with a better battle suit that one that can survive a crash into
a rock wall, but is still open to the sucker punch?

Will Smith's character, Steve, can fly everything it seems. Marine fighter pilots do not know how to fly helicopters. They have
trained pilots to fly them. Yet, Steve jumps in one to go find his woman and flys it perfectly. He also can fly an Alien Space craft that he
has never even trained on before to perfection! What an Ace!

In the beginning there is a reporter on T.V. asking people not to shoot their guns at the ships because they may inadvertantly start
an interstellar war. This statement implies that people had been doing this. Wouldn't the bullets fired at the ship have triggered the forcefield
like the air forces jets did later in the movie? Then why was the forcefield such a surprise later in the movie?

In the middle of the movie, they (humans) try to destroy a ship with nukes in stealth bombers. They are very concerned that it will
create a lot of damage... yet they fire at the SIDE of the huge ship. If the ship's so huge and wide in diameter - then why did't they shoot
the nukes from above, at the top of the ship?

Marines, actually all branches of the military, do not allow service members to grow facial hair except for neatly groomed
mustaches. No beards of any kind. However, Will Smith is a Marine officer and has a small patch of hair under his lip.

The scene where Jasmin and her son dive into the closet when the blast is coming, the dog jumps in right after and is not touched
by the blast of fire that zooms past them. Plus, the fire goes right past the door without going in at all. I kinda think that the heat from the
fire would at least boil Jasmin and her son.

After Will Smith punches the alien and sits down for after mission cigar, he pops off the top and pops the cigar DIRECTLY into his
mouth. No scenes prior to this show him opening the cigar tube and turning the cigar around. All cigars in metal tubes are oriented
upside-down, which is why they have a rounded tip. When you open the tube the end that you lite is on top.

I found it quite interesting that this F/A-18 plane coulf fly right into the alien weapon without any problems at all. Considering this
beam can take out an entire city, why can't it take out a simple little F/A-18 air plane, even if the plane is not grounded, I'm sure the energy
blast would still damage the plane some how or another.

The pieces of the exploded mothership would almost certainly wipe out the human race when it hits the earth. The mothership was
within the moon's orbit (pretty close by astronomical standards)and traveling fast (the bits outran the Roswell ship which made the trip there
in just a few minutes). If even a tiny fraction of this debris hit the earth, it would be orders of magnitude larger than the rock which hit the
Yucatan 65 million years ago and wiped out the dinosaurs. And that was just one rock.

posted 07-14-99 05:10 AM ET            

WHERE U GET THAT FROM

I have the misfortune for working for the RAF
I fly Gr - Tornado and with my service with thr RAF i have learnt to fly a chopper on officaly anyway, so it could be feasible that will smith could have flown the chopper.

posted 07-14-99 11:47 AM ET            

Why would aliens, who presumably can travel between solar systems, bother to try and invade Earth at all?

It isn't technology, because if interstellar travel is possible for them, then they have got us beat.

It isn't resources. There are plenty of mineral resources in space in the form of uninhabited rocks, which don't tend to fight back. As for organic resources, they are technologically superior to us, and can obviously support extended space travel without problem. It wouldn't be energy, because it takes tremendous energy to travel between stars, and the most abundant form, solar, is available to anybody who wants to put up a panel to collect it.

The only reasons I can think of are:

posted 07-14-99 12:56 PM ET            

If you fly Tornados, perhaps you can settle a bet for me? I know what ADV is, but what does IDS stand for? I think it's one thing, but my colleagues think it's something else,

posted 07-14-99 03:39 PM ET         

Why don't you send your long list about ID4 to Roland Emmerich, the stupid ass who shot that movie?

posted 07-14-99 06:58 PM ET            

ANY scene with a blatantly stupid contradictory moral message (e.g. a man spares the "life" of an evil robot on his way to destroy their master controller which will kill them all. Either the robots are consumer product safety rejects in which case the sooner disassembled the better or they are anthropomorphed humans in which case the question on the thinking person's mind is, "How can it be wrong to kill one badguy but okay to exterminate them all?")

Scenes with band members who can't act, like the saxophonist in the Blues Brothers movie who delivers the immortal classic, "I don't think so, man. Those lights are off on purpose."

posted 07-15-99 06:29 AM ET            

Tornado F.3 Air Defence Variant (ADV) has a longer slender nose than the GR1 which house a doppler radar (not due for replacement coz of the eurofighter.) which can track muliptal target upto 185KM away.The Rear fuselage was exended alowing for 2 tamdem pairs of AAMs to be housed.

Tornado Gr.1 (IDS) (InterDictor/Strike) - Reconnassance
Gr.1b(IDS) (InterDictor/Strike) - Attack variant