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GP posted 07-08-99 10:49 AM ET
The idea is who would win if these 2 countries fought. It's just an academic question. As far as I know the two countries have good relations. So think of it as a fight between 2 midgets. Both countries have very small armies. Austria has a 50 year history of neutrality and anti-war feelings. Hungary has a 50 year history of being screwed up by the Soviets. So who would win? Or more appropriately, who would lose? Note: I'm talking about a conflict right now, not some time in the future or past.
After the war, they could get together and have a big schnitzel and goulasch party!
Saras posted 07-08-99 11:35 AM ET
and some of these gory foods that they have in the Austrian countryside - blood soup, blood sausage, pork eyes... Azugal sounds better.
PS
Is this meant to bait Roland out of lurking?
Spoe posted 07-08-99 12:15 PM ET
If Austria, for whatever reason, attacked Hungary, they'd lose(NATO membership and all that).
walruskkkch posted 07-08-99 03:08 PM ET
Could they both lose?
"We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
GP posted 07-08-99 09:37 PM ET
I'm talking about a one on one fight. No NATO or other country involvement. Roland is busy yodeling and eating Sacher Tortes. I have no expectation of hearing from him. But seriously would like to hear from an Austrian or Hun. Or other European. I'm really curious.
Umm, both countries losing is a possible option.
SnowFire posted 07-09-99 08:40 AM ET
Austria should attack Italy before it attacks Hungary, and take Southern Tyrol back.
Saras posted 07-09-99 08:51 AM ET
Yeah, and give Ukraine and Belarus back to Lithuania!
Allod posted 07-11-99 03:44 AM ET
Given the state of our army, we would lose. Our plans for the case of an attack on Austria (this is no joke) are to give away the whole of the east and take up partisan-fighting, while our army gathers in the mountaineous west, the only territory we can hope to defend.
We haven't even won many land-wars when we were a European superpower.
So much for that.
Saras: Blood soup? Pork eyes? Who do you think we are? Klingons?!?
GP: Yodeling was mainly introduced for the tourists. Before that it was a very rare custom. Sacher Tortes are a Viennese (?) speciality. The ones they make in Salzburg you can't eat.
Roland: If you aren't here anymore, I'm the last Mundl standing...
Victor Galis posted 07-11-99 07:33 PM ET
"Our plans for the case of an attack on Austria (this is no joke) are to give away the whole of the east and take up partisan-fighting, while our army gathers in the mountaineous west, the only territory we can hope to defend."
-Sounds a little more effective than an answering machine that says "We surrender." in Russian.
Allod posted 07-12-99 04:02 AM ET
Popular Austrian joke:
Russian Migs enter Austrian airspace. After the prescripted fourty-minutes of putting the Austrian military into alert condition three (that's when we have actually decided to fight), our twelve Draken fighters engage the invaders. When they come into range, all the pilots open their cockpits and hold out a sign that reads: "You are intercepted. Please land at Schwechat Airport and prepare for filling forms 1a to 23b for unfriendly attacks on Austria. Afterwards you will be served some h�rs-d'euvre at the buffet. Thank you for your attention.
The Bundesheer"
We also tried the thing with the answering machine, but it didn't have the desired effect. The Russians expected a trap and withdrew instead of conquering us peacefully.
Saras posted 07-12-99 05:37 AM ET
Allod - no, not Klingons, but one Austrian told me they actually cook these things in the countryside. Sort of like to celebrate the slaughtering of a pig or something.
Allod posted 07-12-99 08:46 AM ET
Hmmm... interesting. Where exactly does he come from, I mean, from which federal state?
Saras posted 07-12-99 10:03 AM ET
She lives in Vienna, actually.
Saras posted 07-12-99 10:04 AM ET
She lives in Vienna, actually, and works for Raiffeisen Bank.
Alphaman posted 07-12-99 11:46 AM ET
Of course we would win. Damn Austrian pig head eaters!
Roland posted 07-13-99 03:41 AM ET
Hi!
I'm away for a few days, and what do I find when I come back ?
GP:
The idea is who would win if these 2 countries fought.
Hmm... I'd say, depends on who we would fight...
Roland is busy yodeling and eating Sacher Tortes. I have no expectation of hearing from him. But seriously would like to hear from an Austrian or Hun.
You want to hear a yodeling hun ? You gotta be really sick....
Allod:
Roland: If you aren't here anymore, I'm the last Mundl standing...
I'm still here, just not as Mundl. Fav quotes:
"Da Wossaschedl san mir!!!"
"Mei Bier.... is net deppert!" (Antwort auf "Du und dei depperts Bier.")
Sacher Tortes are a Viennese (?) speciality. The ones they make in Salzburg you can't eat.
Ah, come on. That's not true...
Saras:
Allod - no, not Klingons, but one Austrian told me they actually cook these things in the countryside. Sort of like to celebrate the slaughtering of a pig or something.
She lives in Vienna, actually, and works for Raiffeisen Bank.
Ahaaaa!!! People in Vienna start all sorts of nasty rumours about people "in the countryside". But did you know that in Vienna, they actually slaughter babies and eat them in chocolate sauce ?
Good... no, wait...strange to be back.
Roland posted 07-13-99 03:42 AM ET
Hmm... the "no italics" skills seem a bit rusty...
Saras posted 07-13-99 05:22 AM ET
Hey, howdy doo! Where have you been? This place is dying a slow and paiful death. Everyone is leaving to various places like Apolyton and Firaxis. Only die hard stubborn old-timers like me and some others reamin.
Saras posted 07-13-99 05:32 AM ET
Reamin... sounds Japanese.
Allod posted 07-13-99 05:49 AM ET
Roland: Nice to see you're back. Anyways, the over-sweet things you serve in Salzburg as "Sachertorte" do not have much in common with the real thing. I like Salzburg kitchen, though.
Saras: If the Austrian lives in Vienna, I'd really be careful what she tells about the countryside...
DCA posted 07-13-99 05:58 AM ET
Roland: Your disappearance act was scaring the bejesus out of people here - you shouldn't run away like that without warning! Welcome back, anyway.
Hope yer full of ideas for amusing topics, cuz this forum is going nowhere fast...
DCA,
If you think before you speak the other guy gets his joke in first.
Tapiolan poika posted 07-13-99 04:18 PM ET
Hey, Allod, even if Roland were still away, you wouldn't be alone. I'm an Austrian - well, at least according to my passport.
Roland: Hej och v�lkommen tillbaka! (As if I should say that, with my lately conspicuously high profile on the forum...)
Another thing, living in Sweden as an Austrian, I must say I'm happy that you have such nice planes in your air force (Austria bought them from Sweden. 'Draken' means '(The) Dragon', BTW.) Too bad you weren't allowed to have any missile weapons, so all you can do with them is to engage "the enemy" in short-range dogfights... ('s the truth! It's one of the things Austria had to agree to after WW2, along with e.g. not building any cars (that sort of industry can easily be converted to producing tanks, etc., so the automotive industry in Austria is strictly subcontractor-oriented).
Allod, Roland: Feel free to correct me on the above, it may well be that things have changed in the last few years (OK, let's say decade...), since I kept close tabs on things Austrian.
About Austria vs. Hungary:
Hey, why should we fight? Have you heard the word 'Doppelmonarchie'? In fact, in the years before Austria joined the EU, there were quite a few Austrians (and Hungarians, I might add), who thought that these two countries would be better served by joining one another in some way, rather than doing the same with EU...
I doubt that many would hold the same opinion today, but that's neither here nor there.
Another thing: what made you come up with the idea, GP? It's not as if the countries are natural enemies, or have a history of aggression, you know.
Still, fun topic, if you ask me.
About Viennese: I don't know what things _really_ are like, my family's based in Burgenland, the federal state bordering on both Hungary and Slovenia (though quite a few have moved to Vienna, or in some cases Nieder�sterreich, the federal state 'around' Vienna), and I've never really lived in Austria. However, from comparable experiences, I would guess it's normal/common for people out in the country to be critical of the capital and those living there, just as it isn't exactly unusual for people living in the capital to regard countrymen living elsewhere in the country as provincial (and, in some cases, to express this in arrogant ways...).
Ah, humans...
Allod: Where do you live/come from?
Roland: We know you're in Salzburg. Have you any other hidden affiliation?
Alphaman: Do you regard any part of Hungary as the place you hail from?
Hugo Rune: (Det f�rra namnet var b�ttre.) If you read this - what about you?
Anyone else: What about you? Affiliation? Provincialism? Other related borderline off-topicisms? (I do maintain that this sort of thing has a bearing on the reasons for going to war or not, actually, thinking about it...)
Allod posted 07-15-99 02:54 AM ET
As stated in my profile, I come from Vienna, and know what I'm talking of when I say that Viennese can be quite arrogant regarding the "G'scherten" (not realy translatable, sorry, treat it as "hillbillies") from the countryside. If that's of any use to you, I live in Ottakring, just beyond the Wilhelminenberg and approximately five minutes by foot away from the Wienerwald.
We don't stick to the regulations of the treaty of 1954 much anymore (only if it fits us). We are producing arms (although not rockets), and my father works as programmer for the second-largest carcompany in Austria, the �AF, which has recently been, err, "fusioned" with Steyr, which produces our tanks. And about the Draken - they WERE nice, but already old when we bought them. Well, at least they match our guns from WWII.
Roland posted 07-15-99 03:02 AM ET
Thanks for the welcome "back" !
DCA:
Hope yer full of ideas for amusing topics, cuz this forum is going nowhere fast...
I see, but I don't have the time or the ideas... sigh...
Tap, what do you mean by hidden affilition ? I'm half-Tyrolian, if that is of any help...
Allod, regarding Vienna: we usually return the favor...
The 1955 treaty doea not prohibit making cars or arms; the part about rockets has been repealed AFAIK. Austria is producing cars at Steyr and Graz (for DaimlerChrysler) and, as Allod said, some light tanks. I also think they bought some air-to-air missiles for the Draken recently (they only need to get the damn planes into the air, now...)
Allod posted 07-15-99 03:43 AM ET
Roland:
Ever heard of the ADC? Not? It's the Austrian Draken Catapult, mounted on the Gro�glockner. You put a Draken in, pull and suddenly let go. Usually the plane comes as far as Salzburg before crashing...
Besides, I'm half-Tyrolian, half-Viennese and just a bit of Bavarian. My father was born in Innsbruck, my mother in Vienna and I in Munich.
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Author	Topic: Austria vs. Hungary
GP	posted 07-08-99 10:49 AM ET The idea is who would win if these 2 countries fought. It's just an academic question. As far as I know the two countries have good relations. So think of it as a fight between 2 midgets. Both countries have very small armies. Austria has a 50 year history of neutrality and anti-war feelings. Hungary has a 50 year history of being screwed up by the Soviets. So who would win? Or more appropriately, who would lose? Note: I'm talking about a conflict right now, not some time in the future or past. After the war, they could get together and have a big schnitzel and goulasch party!
Saras	posted 07-08-99 11:35 AM ET and some of these gory foods that they have in the Austrian countryside - blood soup, blood sausage, pork eyes... Azugal sounds better. PS Is this meant to bait Roland out of lurking?
Spoe	posted 07-08-99 12:15 PM ET If Austria, for whatever reason, attacked Hungary, they'd lose(NATO membership and all that).
walruskkkch	posted 07-08-99 03:08 PM ET Could they both lose? "We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it." -Dwight D. Eisenhower
GP	posted 07-08-99 09:37 PM ET I'm talking about a one on one fight. No NATO or other country involvement. Roland is busy yodeling and eating Sacher Tortes. I have no expectation of hearing from him. But seriously would like to hear from an Austrian or Hun. Or other European. I'm really curious. Umm, both countries losing is a possible option.
SnowFire	posted 07-09-99 08:40 AM ET Austria should attack Italy before it attacks Hungary, and take Southern Tyrol back.
Saras	posted 07-09-99 08:51 AM ET Yeah, and give Ukraine and Belarus back to Lithuania!
Allod	posted 07-11-99 03:44 AM ET Given the state of our army, we would lose. Our plans for the case of an attack on Austria (this is no joke) are to give away the whole of the east and take up partisan-fighting, while our army gathers in the mountaineous west, the only territory we can hope to defend. We haven't even won many land-wars when we were a European superpower. So much for that. Saras: Blood soup? Pork eyes? Who do you think we are? Klingons?!? GP: Yodeling was mainly introduced for the tourists. Before that it was a very rare custom. Sacher Tortes are a Viennese (?) speciality. The ones they make in Salzburg you can't eat. Roland: If you aren't here anymore, I'm the last Mundl standing...
Victor Galis	posted 07-11-99 07:33 PM ET "Our plans for the case of an attack on Austria (this is no joke) are to give away the whole of the east and take up partisan-fighting, while our army gathers in the mountaineous west, the only territory we can hope to defend." -Sounds a little more effective than an answering machine that says "We surrender." in Russian.
Allod	posted 07-12-99 04:02 AM ET Popular Austrian joke: Russian Migs enter Austrian airspace. After the prescripted fourty-minutes of putting the Austrian military into alert condition three (that's when we have actually decided to fight), our twelve Draken fighters engage the invaders. When they come into range, all the pilots open their cockpits and hold out a sign that reads: "You are intercepted. Please land at Schwechat Airport and prepare for filling forms 1a to 23b for unfriendly attacks on Austria. Afterwards you will be served some h�rs-d'euvre at the buffet. Thank you for your attention. The Bundesheer" We also tried the thing with the answering machine, but it didn't have the desired effect. The Russians expected a trap and withdrew instead of conquering us peacefully.
Saras	posted 07-12-99 05:37 AM ET Allod - no, not Klingons, but one Austrian told me they actually cook these things in the countryside. Sort of like to celebrate the slaughtering of a pig or something.
Allod	posted 07-12-99 08:46 AM ET Hmmm... interesting. Where exactly does he come from, I mean, from which federal state?
Saras	posted 07-12-99 10:03 AM ET She lives in Vienna, actually.
Saras	posted 07-12-99 10:04 AM ET She lives in Vienna, actually, and works for Raiffeisen Bank.
Alphaman	posted 07-12-99 11:46 AM ET Of course we would win. Damn Austrian pig head eaters!
Roland	posted 07-13-99 03:41 AM ET Hi! I'm away for a few days, and what do I find when I come back ? GP: The idea is who would win if these 2 countries fought. Hmm... I'd say, depends on who we would fight... Roland is busy yodeling and eating Sacher Tortes. I have no expectation of hearing from him. But seriously would like to hear from an Austrian or Hun. You want to hear a yodeling hun ? You gotta be really sick.... Allod: Roland: If you aren't here anymore, I'm the last Mundl standing... I'm still here, just not as Mundl. Fav quotes: "Da Wossaschedl san mir!!!" "Mei Bier.... is net deppert!" (Antwort auf "Du und dei depperts Bier.") Sacher Tortes are a Viennese (?) speciality. The ones they make in Salzburg you can't eat. Ah, come on. That's not true... Saras: Allod - no, not Klingons, but one Austrian told me they actually cook these things in the countryside. Sort of like to celebrate the slaughtering of a pig or something. She lives in Vienna, actually, and works for Raiffeisen Bank. Ahaaaa!!! People in Vienna start all sorts of nasty rumours about people "in the countryside". But did you know that in Vienna, they actually slaughter babies and eat them in chocolate sauce ? Good... no, wait...strange to be back.
Roland	posted 07-13-99 03:42 AM ET Hmm... the "no italics" skills seem a bit rusty...
Saras	posted 07-13-99 05:22 AM ET Hey, howdy doo! Where have you been? This place is dying a slow and paiful death. Everyone is leaving to various places like Apolyton and Firaxis. Only die hard stubborn old-timers like me and some others reamin.
Saras	posted 07-13-99 05:32 AM ET Reamin... sounds Japanese.
Allod	posted 07-13-99 05:49 AM ET Roland: Nice to see you're back. Anyways, the over-sweet things you serve in Salzburg as "Sachertorte" do not have much in common with the real thing. I like Salzburg kitchen, though. Saras: If the Austrian lives in Vienna, I'd really be careful what she tells about the countryside...
DCA	posted 07-13-99 05:58 AM ET Roland: Your disappearance act was scaring the bejesus out of people here - you shouldn't run away like that without warning! Welcome back, anyway. Hope yer full of ideas for amusing topics, cuz this forum is going nowhere fast... DCA, If you think before you speak the other guy gets his joke in first.
Tapiolan poika	posted 07-13-99 04:18 PM ET Hey, Allod, even if Roland were still away, you wouldn't be alone. I'm an Austrian - well, at least according to my passport. Roland: Hej och v�lkommen tillbaka! (As if I should say that, with my lately conspicuously high profile on the forum...) Another thing, living in Sweden as an Austrian, I must say I'm happy that you have such nice planes in your air force (Austria bought them from Sweden. 'Draken' means '(The) Dragon', BTW.) Too bad you weren't allowed to have any missile weapons, so all you can do with them is to engage "the enemy" in short-range dogfights... ('s the truth! It's one of the things Austria had to agree to after WW2, along with e.g. not building any cars (that sort of industry can easily be converted to producing tanks, etc., so the automotive industry in Austria is strictly subcontractor-oriented). Allod, Roland: Feel free to correct me on the above, it may well be that things have changed in the last few years (OK, let's say decade...), since I kept close tabs on things Austrian. About Austria vs. Hungary: Hey, why should we fight? Have you heard the word 'Doppelmonarchie'? In fact, in the years before Austria joined the EU, there were quite a few Austrians (and Hungarians, I might add), who thought that these two countries would be better served by joining one another in some way, rather than doing the same with EU... I doubt that many would hold the same opinion today, but that's neither here nor there. Another thing: what made you come up with the idea, GP? It's not as if the countries are natural enemies, or have a history of aggression, you know. Still, fun topic, if you ask me. About Viennese: I don't know what things _really_ are like, my family's based in Burgenland, the federal state bordering on both Hungary and Slovenia (though quite a few have moved to Vienna, or in some cases Nieder�sterreich, the federal state 'around' Vienna), and I've never really lived in Austria. However, from comparable experiences, I would guess it's normal/common for people out in the country to be critical of the capital and those living there, just as it isn't exactly unusual for people living in the capital to regard countrymen living elsewhere in the country as provincial (and, in some cases, to express this in arrogant ways...). Ah, humans... Allod: Where do you live/come from? Roland: We know you're in Salzburg. Have you any other hidden affiliation? Alphaman: Do you regard any part of Hungary as the place you hail from? Hugo Rune: (Det f�rra namnet var b�ttre.) If you read this - what about you? Anyone else: What about you? Affiliation? Provincialism? Other related borderline off-topicisms? (I do maintain that this sort of thing has a bearing on the reasons for going to war or not, actually, thinking about it...)
Allod	posted 07-15-99 02:54 AM ET As stated in my profile, I come from Vienna, and know what I'm talking of when I say that Viennese can be quite arrogant regarding the "G'scherten" (not realy translatable, sorry, treat it as "hillbillies") from the countryside. If that's of any use to you, I live in Ottakring, just beyond the Wilhelminenberg and approximately five minutes by foot away from the Wienerwald. We don't stick to the regulations of the treaty of 1954 much anymore (only if it fits us). We are producing arms (although not rockets), and my father works as programmer for the second-largest carcompany in Austria, the �AF, which has recently been, err, "fusioned" with Steyr, which produces our tanks. And about the Draken - they WERE nice, but already old when we bought them. Well, at least they match our guns from WWII.
Roland	posted 07-15-99 03:02 AM ET Thanks for the welcome "back" ! DCA: Hope yer full of ideas for amusing topics, cuz this forum is going nowhere fast... I see, but I don't have the time or the ideas... sigh... Tap, what do you mean by hidden affilition ? I'm half-Tyrolian, if that is of any help... Allod, regarding Vienna: we usually return the favor... The 1955 treaty doea not prohibit making cars or arms; the part about rockets has been repealed AFAIK. Austria is producing cars at Steyr and Graz (for DaimlerChrysler) and, as Allod said, some light tanks. I also think they bought some air-to-air missiles for the Draken recently (they only need to get the damn planes into the air, now...)
Allod	posted 07-15-99 03:43 AM ET Roland: Ever heard of the ADC? Not? It's the Austrian Draken Catapult, mounted on the Gro�glockner. You put a Draken in, pull and suddenly let go. Usually the plane comes as far as Salzburg before crashing... Besides, I'm half-Tyrolian, half-Viennese and just a bit of Bavarian. My father was born in Innsbruck, my mother in Vienna and I in Munich.