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Topic: Some really deep questions.
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EchoKnight |
posted 07-06-99 10:32 AM ET
Back on saturday night i went over my friend Paul's house. We went in his pool and did all other stuff (we built this HUGE lego base, I mean HUGE!). It was alota fun.Anyway, around 12 o'clock somehow we got sidetracked and started talking about what god actually was, were he was, and how he got there. NOTE THAT I'M NO AThEIST. These are the following theorys we developed: My THeory on GOd Himself: God is not a "being". He is actually a theory of everything, or the guiding theory that governs the other theories. The actual creation of god was probably by some ancient king (or queen) who's people lost faith in him so he gave himself powers and things of that sort and said he was a "god". THen from then on people made stories up surrounding this god that made him the creator of everything. I punched a whole the size of Michigan in the idea that god is a being by bringing up a simple law of physics--"Matter can neither be created nor destroyed in the universe" (this theory can not be correct anyway becuase things do not last forever and they do not stay for infinity, because our simple minds can not process infinity) SUMMARY: god is the law of everything and nothing. All other laws are subdivisions of the god law. -------------------------------- Also on the topic of time travel: 1. We know it wasn't done before because someone would have remembered seeing someone else pop into existance. That and how would we remember the past when it changed because of us seeing that figure pop into existance? 2. When we do develop timetravel there will be no way to reach foward to the time you traveled from because you have two bodies, one in that time and one in the future (during timetravel) when you went to go back to the future your transmitted form would be destroyed, it wouldn't be able to link through from time to time. (If you did make the link you would go catatonic and therefor go insane.) Please tell me what you think on my theories!
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GaryD
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posted 07-06-99 11:14 AM ET
Define 'being'. Does any intellect count, or do you need a physical body ?Matter can neither be created nor destroyed in the universe I think this is meant to be understood as matter and energy being essentially the same thing. Sure the matter may seem to be created or destroyed, but in fact it has merely changed from one form to another.
You time travel argument is supported by Steven Hawkings. But I'm uncertain it holds water. It assumes you can interact with the time you have moved to. It also assumes that there would be a sufficient number of folk visiting this time that failed to keep themselves out of the public eye. Didn't understand why you thought your transmitted form would be destroyed. It implies you think that the 'same' atoms can not exist in two places at once. Which is quite an act of faith. There was a reasonable thread on time travel before. Don't know if it is still there as they do disappear from time to time (into the past I think ). |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-06-99 04:33 PM ET
I know that matter changes forms (ya know, solid liquid gas, and plasma) but i nor any human can actually grasp "infinity" it is actually beyond our ability to comprehend in this current erra of usage of the human brain/mind. Therefor there is no logic to the universe because of the illogic of ifinity (forever befor, forever after). I mean, by definition everything has to be "created" sometime. This might be because of the minds non ability to compregend infinity. Oh, and when i say being i mean something that exists that is wholly or partially tangible. And my freind veiws god as living in the fourth demension (time). Wait, i made a mistake. You wouldn't be able to go into the future because your body would not exist. Non existance mean you would be destroyed. Time Travel is pointless anyway because if you traveled back in time to chang one thing it would change everything in the future and you wouldn't remeber traveling in time because you didn't in the past but did in the future and the future hasn't been lived yet at that time in the future you came from. Therefor if you didn't timetravel when you lived your life from the past your changes would be "offset" therefor you would be stuck in a "loop" of time. Confusing Ehh? |
Trappist
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posted 07-06-99 04:41 PM ET
If matter cannot be created, where did it come from?If matter is eternal, why can't God be? This is an non-christian taking turns at being devil's advocate. I'm interested in how the theories turn out.
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Darksider
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posted 07-06-99 09:05 PM ET
Ever wonder, if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Is there a barrier at the edge of the universe, somewhere far far away? Was there a second big bang, is there a second universe out there, expanding from a center point on a collision course with all the galaxies and planets of our universe?Physicsts (I cant's spell for ****) already belive that they can travel backwards in time. It would involve travelling to a black hole and causing it to spin. The two main problems are, it would take an enormous amount of energy, both to get there and to set it spinning and you would only be able to go back to when you first set the black hole spinning. Einstein also theorised that if you travel faster than light in "normal" space you will go backwards in time. But Einstein is a jackass anyway. If time was the rigid thing they say it is, how come some people can see the future? I'm saying this because sometimes I can see the future. I once saw a lottery ticket in a dream. I took note of the numbers and played them and they won. The week after I played them! I should have taken note of the date on the ticket as well! The faster than light/back in time theroy is an expansion of the "twins" theroy. You know take one twin, put him on a space ship and fly him around the earth at the speed of light for a year, bring him back and his twin will have aged 100 years, or something like that. Total bull****. The first twin would be very dizzy and have travelled a long long way but his twin would still have aged only one year. Why would time suddenly slow down at the speed of light? It doesn't slow down at Mach 1, Mach 2, Mach 3. Why would it slow down at the speed of light? And why the hell is E=mc^2? Energy (e) is proportional to mass (m) times a constant, thats easy to understand but why c squared? Why would all the light energy, heat energy, kinetic energy, electro-magnetic energy, etc., be equal to the speed of light (c) squared. Awfully neat and convenient figure there from Einstein. |
jig
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posted 07-06-99 09:14 PM ET
If matter cannot be created, where did it come from? Nowhere, it was always there. It just is.If matter is eternal, why can't God be? No reason at all. It doesn't matter what the laws of the universe are when you argue the existence of God because God is not part of the system. There will always be people who believe in God(s). By the way, I think the concept of infinity certainly is comprehendable. Sure, we can't witness infinity because our lives are finite but what is so hard about understanding infinity?? (Where is Octopus!?) jig has no self-control to self-impose self-ban dammit, ban me! |
stranger
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posted 07-06-99 11:09 PM ET
Darksider If you are traveling with the speed of light how many times are you gonna cross the point of origin were the other twin is. The twin on the spaceship is gonna have one hell of jetlag when he is done flying around like a fool.
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Koshko
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posted 07-07-99 01:10 AM ET
Time Travel is a Paradox. 5 Time Travel possibilities: 1)If you traval backwards into time, you might create a parallel universe. 2)A rift in the Space-Time continuim might simply destroy the universe as we know it. 3)Your existance will travel backwards, but your body might stay in the same palce. Your spirit will hover out the past surrounding totally oblivious to other human eye. It has to be this way in order the keep from changing the past slightly. Even a slight change can lead to a drastic one. 4)You can see what happens when traveling back in time by traveling back 5 minutes to see yourself traveling back into time. Once these 5 minutes are up, there will be one true you and the other ceases to exist. Plus, if you are planning to travel in time and you suddenly see a horribly mutated self appearing in front of you, you'll change your mind. At the 5 minute mark, the mutant you will cease to exist becuase you never left this time. 5)Finally, when we die our soul could rise into a (Heavenly if you are religious) mass of pure 'energy'. This energy can exist in the past, present, and future. Thus, in essense, you'll experience a Quasi-Time Travel. |
FauxCujo
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posted 07-07-99 01:49 AM ET
Yeah, actually I've wondered what the universe is expanding into. Is it some universe on the outside of ours, governed by fundamentally different laws of physics and shrinking instead of expanding? And if matter can never be created or destroyed, what's at the edge of the universe? Are we absorbing matter from this neighboring universe and incorporating it into our own?Who made God, anyway? Does He have a conscience? If so, I'd hate to be Him. Einstein was wrong about the theory of relativity. It totally clashes with quantum mechanics, which is a correct theory. And E=mc^2 means energy=mass times the speed of light squared. BUT, Einstein himself said that nothing can exceed the speed of light, right? So the speed of light can't be squared, because nothing can go faster than light, sez Einstein. What would happen if you were traveling in a spaceship going at almost the speed of light, say, the speed of light minus 10 mph, and shot a bullet forward? Wouldn't the bullet exceed the light barrier? What if you ran forward and are healthy enough to do 11 mph? |
Tolls
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posted 07-07-99 04:41 AM ET
You'll have to get Octopus to explain the relativity stuff, since my ability to describe things like that is pretty non-existent.As for the "what is the universe expanding into", well...the universe isn't expanding into anything. Space-Time is expanding...there is nothing outside of Space-Time (our universe)...to be honest there isn't even nothing...probably. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 05:17 AM ET
quote: "Einstein was wrong about the theory of relativity. It totally clashes with quantum mechanics, which is a correct theory. And E=mc^2 means energy=mass times the speed of light squared. BUT, Einstein himself said that nothing can exceed the speed of light, right? So the speed of light can't be squared, because nothing can go faster than light, sez Einstein." FauxCujo
That must be a joke right?
If that was true don't you think the thousands of scientists who use this theory would have spotted it? Squaring the speed of light doesn't mean something is travelling at the speed of light squared. There are so many things wrong with that statement I can't even start. I don't feel up to teaching a beginners algebra class this morning. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 05:19 AM ET
Oh and Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity aren't mutually exclusive. That's a misconception. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 05:24 AM ET
Sorry, also Einstein stipulated that an observer in a stationary or constant velocity frame couldn't tell by the results of any local physics experiment whether he was in a rest frame or a constand velocity frame. A consequence of this is that the speed of light is a constant in all stationary and constant motion frames. ie any frame where there is no accelleration. That is Special relativity. General relativity states that an observer in a gravitational field couldn't tell by the results of any local physics experiment whether he was in a gravitational field or a constantly accellerating frame. A consequence of which is that, combined with special relativity the speed of light is a constant in all frames of reference. |
GaryD
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posted 07-07-99 06:38 AM ET
Gosh, the voice of reason still exists in this forum. |
M_ashwell
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posted 07-07-99 07:01 AM ET
hello all very intresting exept one thing..."What would happen if you were traveling in a spaceship going at almost the speed of light, say, the speed of light minus 10 mph, and shot a bullet forward? Wouldn't the bullet exceed the light barrier? What if you ran forward and are healthy enough to do 11 mph?" HA ok a quick physics lesson 1) the galaxy is not stationary 2) the universe is not stationary 3) speed is relative this means that a concorde travles at 700 km/h is this the speed of the plane... BULL**** it is. the earth rotates at 64,000 in addition the galaxy rotates and the universe keeps moving in summary a concord may only seem to be moving at 700 km/h but is is traveling at >64,700 km/h you could be travelind at 10 mph slower than C according to your view point but you wont be it is impossible to travel than the absolute C but that doesent mean you cant appear to My Example 2 2 space ships travling in opposite directions at exactly 1 mph over 1/2 C from the two cockpits they are moving away from each other at C + 2 mph are they breaking the laws of physics any way FTL travel is possible just use wormholes c u all later Commander M E Ashwell of the Hive |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 07:41 AM ET
You cannot appear to travel at c unless you actually are. The answer to your problem is that as their relative observed speed increases their clocks run slower so they don't actually move at c+2m/s apart. If you are an observer on either of the space ships. A stationary observer in the middle you would observe them moving away at (c/2) +1m/s in opposite directions but to him they aren't breaking any laws. Always remember that moving clocks run slow. You are applying Newtonian laws to Einsteinian velocities and they don't work. Intuitively what you say is right but it doesn't happen in real life. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 07:47 AM ET
If Spoe or Octopus notice any errors in what I said please correct them. I'm a bit tired and relativity hurts my head. |
M_ashwell
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posted 07-07-99 07:58 AM ET
thank you MikeH II ok how about this one for time travel. you design a time machine you go back in time you breath,shead skin bacicly live in the past for 10 minuits you return... the altered timeline also sends another you back in time... loop infinate times the extra skin moleclues\ carbon atoms etc build up colapse and form a star\black hole this is according to the laws of conservation of matter & energy i'm sorry if i have done a bad job of explaining this but i am only 19 yrs old and it was explained to me a few years ago bye |
GaryD
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posted 07-07-99 08:35 AM ET
It would be the sam skin that was shed, in the same loopback, so there is no build up. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 09:40 AM ET
How do you go back in time?Gary D has got it spot on, there is a loop but it's the same one every time so there is no build up, the same person leaves the same stuff every time. |
Tolls
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posted 07-07-99 10:57 AM ET
"How do you go back in time?" Using a nice old blue Police Box of course... |
1001100110001
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posted 07-07-99 11:15 AM ET
Newtonian Physics was replaced by Einsteinian Relativity.However, Quantum Mechanics did not replace Eintsteinian Relativity. Quantum Mechanics is wood, classifying everything by breaking it into tinier and tinier bits...eventually, such subatomic particles will be so small and require so much energy to isolate, it will prove impossible to fully "define" the fundamental building blocks of the universe. Special Relativity is marble, simplifying everything into a simple and beautiful equation. However, it cannot unify all of the principle forces of the universe in the four dimensions in which it exists. It cannot factor in gravity, while it is able to factor in the other three (strong and weak nuclear force and electromagnetism). Then, there is the Grand Unification Theory, which seeks to unify the four primary forces in higher dimensions. This has yet to be sucessfully proven mathematically. Both Quantum Mechanics and Special Relativity can be unified in higher dimensions with the Superstring Theory and other similar theories. Obviously, they aren't contradictory. Quantum Mechanics (the dreams that stuffs are made of) is classifying microcosmic things. Relativity (the stuffs that dreams are made of) is classifying macrocosmic things. |
onepaul
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posted 07-07-99 11:15 AM ET
time travel: nope god: probably |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 11:31 AM ET
Why "God: probably"? |
onepaul
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posted 07-07-99 12:02 PM ET
Well, when I hear the word "god" I think about the Catholicism, the only religion that I was exposed to as a kid, and so I considered myself Roman Catholic. After analyzing this "system" of beliefs, I questioned everything about it. I believe in god, I don't believe in hell or heaven, there are simply no such places. Think about it, if there really was heaven, how come nobody is killing themselves to get there, so they can live forever in paradise with their loved ones. That is why, this religion is so..."full of it." Maybe that is why it is so attractive to so many people, with the promise of heaven, etc. And at the center of it all, stands god himself, the creator and an "observer" of all When my parents died, people said that it's god's will, or if something else happens, god is testing me. That is really sad that people would actually believe that. We are nothing more than a chemical reaction. And we label and give names to such chemical reactions (love, hate, anger, etc.) just like we give labels and name to any other thing in this universe. When we die, our chemical reaction (a.k.a life) halts, no soul, no light at the end of the tunnel.Question: Why bad things happen to good people? Answer: "Well, my son, it's god's will" Question: Why bad things happen at all? Answer #1: "God is testing you" Answer #2: "It's Devil's work, my son" Question: Why do people kill other people over religion/god? Answer: anybody? Question: Why doesn't god show himself? Answer: "You can't ask for proof, you must believe in him son." So... Time Travel: nope God: probably not/maybe/hope so "Since you die from the moment you are born, don't take life too seriously, because nobody ever get out alive." |
MikeH II
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posted 07-07-99 12:07 PM ET
Fair enough, nice answer. |
GaryD
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posted 07-07-99 12:24 PM ET
2pQuestion: Why bad things happen to good people? Answer: So that they may learn and advance from the experience. Question: Why bad things happen at all? Answer: See previous answer.
Question: Why do people kill other people over religion/god? Answer: Because they have a lot to learn before they act correctly. Question: Why doesn't god show himself? Answer: Because it would ruin your opportunity to advance via experience in this life. Hey stick with 'probably', it is a more hopeful philosophy than 'maybe'. |
onepaul
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posted 07-07-99 12:30 PM ET
GaryD, what religion does these answers come from? Because as you have probably noticed, I quoted all the answers. That is how Catholicism would answer. I'm smart enough to answer these questions myself, I was simply giving an example of how Catholicisms works. |
GaryD
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posted 07-07-99 12:45 PM ET
More of my personal feelings, than any established religion.I've changed my opinion of such things at various times in my life, so when I say I'm fairly certain now, maybe in ten or fifteen years time I will have changed my mind again. But I hope not. They arise from trying to make sense of everything. The big weakness in that is there is no guarantee that everything is supposed to make sense. Ah well. We live (for the moment) in hope. |
DerekM
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posted 07-07-99 05:13 PM ET
Does God exist? Are we more than "chemical reactions?" Is there an eternal spirit, or even an eternal element? Is humanity special?The answer to most of this for those not inclined to take things on faith is "not enough evidence," although a good alternative is, "it depends upon how you look at it." For example, God definitely exists as a concept, and in the beliefs of billions of people. Humanity is special to itself, even in the cosmic scheme of things. Self consciousness allows us to contemplate reality as a subjective experience, giving each person a special uniqueness. |
Spoe
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posted 07-07-99 06:03 PM ET
Looks basically right, Mike. |
FauxCujo
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posted 07-08-99 01:22 AM ET
Wait a second, I'm not sure what I was thinking... Einstein's theory of relativity isn't wrong, just incomplete. That has been stated even by Stephen Hawking. And relativity and quantum mechanics aren't fundamentally different, but I believe they do clash... Can't remember how though. Oh well, the only part of A Brief History of Time that I can remember is the part about black holes.Wait... What you're saying, M_ashwell, seems to be that speed can't really be measured because it's all relative depending on the observer. Now, I know that, but how can light break this rule? Does this mean that if you travel at C minus 1, the speed of light is still six trillion mph or whatever faster than what you're doing, or what you appear to be doing... Crap. And by the way, I hear light travels around six trillion miles in a year, so about how fast is that in mph? School's out for summer, and my brain is still today, so I'd rather not do the math. If, as you say, the universe isn't stationary, what is it moving through? How can there be absolutely nothing, or LESS than nothing, around the universe? By "not stationary," do you just mean it's expanding? Oh yeah. I've always wondered: Just what is E=mc^2 used for? What practical purpose did it serve? Sure, it rolls right off the tongue and looks right purty on paper, but most folks don't know anything more about it than that. I know what everything stands for, but I guess I'm too dumb (or maybe just happy) to figure out what it does. |
MikeH II
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posted 07-08-99 04:17 AM ET
It's used to determine the increase in an object's mass as it increases velocity. If you use Kinetic energy = 1/2 Mv^2 and E=Mc^2 you can get a relation between M and v. That's the most simple explanation. |
ZyXEL
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posted 07-08-99 04:28 AM ET
Why do you mix black holes with time travel? Black hole is a star collapsed into it self becoue of it's incredible mass - gravity. This gravity is so strong that even light, if we presume it is a matter, is'nt 'strong' enough to flee from it. That's why black holes are black.If you would fall into a hole (we're talking Einstein) the time would become so 'streched' fo you that you would falling into it forever. P.S. I believe E=MC^2 is for fusion. Not sure.
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ZyXEL
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posted 07-08-99 04:31 AM ET
About that God thing...Well, I believe there must be something that controlls universe. There must be something. I DO NOT belive in theory of caos. It's stupid. |
Earwicker
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posted 07-08-99 08:32 AM ET
At 186,000 miles/second (it's not just a good idea, it's the law), that would translate to (186000mi/sec)*(60sec/min)*(60min/hr) = 669,600,000 mph Known in layman's terms as mighty dern fast. |
Spoe
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posted 07-08-99 11:09 AM ET
E=mc2 simply states the relationship between mass and energy(that they are different aspects of the same thing). Nothing more.
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1001100110001
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posted 07-08-99 11:13 AM ET
FauxCujo: I stated that earlier: Special Relativity is incomplete because it cannot unify Gravity with the other Three Fundamental Forces (Strong and Weak Nuclear Forces, and Electromagnetism).It does not clash with Quantum Mechanics. |
Tolls
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posted 07-08-99 12:15 PM ET
FauxCujo: The less-than-nothing I mentioned is what was around before the Big Bang... That is, there is no Space "out there", and there is no Time either...so saying the universe is moving through, or expanding into, something is incorrect...there isn't anything there... |
Spoe
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posted 07-08-99 12:25 PM ET
0x1331: "...Special Relativity is incomplete because it cannot unify Gravity with the other Three Fundamental Forces..."Neither General Relativity nor Quantum Mechanics can. Special Relativity doesn't even take gravity(or accelerating frames of reference in general) into account at all. Tolls: Exactly. |
GaryD
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posted 07-08-99 01:53 PM ET
I thought that was what all those superstring theories were for.*OLD* Thread |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-08-99 03:54 PM ET
Okay, this stuff is sorta confusing, but you could figure it out using common sense and some booksmarts. (Heck, I'm thirteen and i think about this stuff, and my dad is fifty and talking to him about this would leave him sick and sixfeet under) Let me get everyone from going too OT so that they start talking about baking cookies.My theories: GOD: It isn't a being, it is a theory of everything, or a governing theory of the universe. Some Psycho king made the being up. It is just the theory the says the other theorys exists. IT GUIDES THEM. therefor they're is no "tangible god" just a theory amplified to a human. Think a little that humanity always wants things to relate back to itself--therefor for some reason, we think "god" is human. This is really stupid because humanity IS NOT THE FIRST FORM OF LIFE IN THE UNIVERS(S). Even saying they're is a tangible "being" god is sorta crazy. It is probably just the energy. TImE TRAVEL: To amplify what some of you are getting so close too: Lets say one human (1) goes back in time and kills one flower (1). Know we all know that one flower (1) probably has around a few hundred thousands seeds (100,000) that it sends out. Now lets say that about five thousand (5,000) of these seeds actually become flowers. So: when you return (if you do) to the present (or in the future) there will be 5,000 less flowers, there for thousands less bees, therefor thousands less of the things as you go up in the food chain. SO: You would pretty much ruin (sort of) time. -------------------------------------------- We know evolutions is at work, but what is evolving is still unknown. |
Noisy
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posted 07-08-99 04:09 PM ET
It always puzzled me that if the universe was infinite, then why can you distinguish individual stars and galaxies? Surely the sky should be full of light. Somewhere, I did come across the answer to this conundrum, but I've forgotten it. Can someone refresh me? Noisy |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-08-99 06:11 PM ET
Noisy: It's because of the vast expanse between stars, galexys and possibly even universes that drowns out the light of other stars galexys and universes therefor we cannot see through//across the univers(s). |
Spider
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posted 07-08-99 07:00 PM ET
Echo: In your time travel example, you would create a (screwed up) timeline by killing the flower, and there would be no way to return to the original, as it becomes a completely separate universe. There is a universe for every event; for example, if I were faced with a yes or no decision, that creates two universes: one for each possible choice. This is extended infinitely, because every choice creates new choices; this universe is merely the product of many changes, random factors, etc. If one factor is changed, a new universe results. All the factors are simultaneously in all possible states, but not in the same universe. Again, I state: there is a universe for every combination of factors, and this is merely one of them. And so I leave you with this all too true statement: E Pluribus Unum.Spider Freelance Metaphysicist |
Darksider
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posted 07-08-99 07:20 PM ET
Ever see those Star Trek episodes where they go back in time and change/fix the past? If they go back and fix it, then they would not know it had to be fixed, and therefore would not go back in time to fix it. If this kind of situation did happen, then yes, only the theroy of parallel dimensions would explain it. No it isn't possible to go faster than the speed of light, that's why Roddenbury( probably stole) came up with the idea of warping space. E=mc^2 has nothing to do with going at the speed of light squared, but that dosn't mean the theory is valid. Do you really think that "scientists" understand everthing they study? How many people, when given a theory, just assume it's true, and if they don't understand it, just learn it by rote? I know that's what I did for my exams. We already theoryitically know how to make wormholes but it takes a massive amount of energy. Just because a clock runs slow doesn't mean time runs slowly. I don't know what black holes have to do with time travel, I just heard somewhere that by "spinning" a black hole you can travel backwards to the time it was first set spinning.AND this is where you will think I'm a weirdo ( if you don't already ). How can you accept any theory about space/time from someone who can't explain how some people can see the future. |
ZyXEL
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posted 07-09-99 02:37 AM ET
I was thinking:lets say that timetravel is possible, and you go back in time. Do something 'massive' (like killing someone), and dramatticly change the future. By killing this man, you (in future, but before time travel) did'nt get a job, but your friend did, so your friend would be first person to travel through the time.For you, back in future, it is normaly that this man was killed, that you work in some factory and that your friend is time traveling. What would happened to you ? Where would you come back? You would be a person without your universe. You can't go back in the future, you are already there. Again blackholes... How can you travel through the time by spinning the star (with souch incredible mass and gravity that have collapsed into it self, but stil a star) on the other side? By the way, how can we create a wormhole? �oki |
Spider
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posted 07-09-99 03:03 AM ET
You would be locked in a paradox...unless that person dies anyway, in which case you would return to the future and your new job. Either the paradox would happen, or the you that came back would cease to exist after the killing.Spider No witty comment; this is a serious thread. |
Tolls
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posted 07-09-99 04:37 AM ET
Noisy: 1) The universe isn't infinite...being 15(approx) billion years old it is finite...2) However there is a background "glow" all across the universe, which is the "echo" of the big bang. |
GaryD
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posted 07-09-99 05:59 AM ET
EchoKnight: The 1 flower/5,000 flower thing. It isn't obvious that differences explode over time like that. There is nothing to say that because you have taken 1 flower's seeds, that then another flower's seeds, that didn't previously thrive, doesn't now find the space and nutrients to grow. Thus change would then be minimal and would converge over time. So eventually you don't see any difference (bear with me, we assume you can compare the before and after situations).Noisy: I don't believe that the universe is infinite. I think this is the most popular view amongst scientists at present. But even if it were there would be two reasons I can think of, off the top of my head, why the sky wouldn't be full of light. (Well one actually, but bear with me.) If there is dust etc. in the universe then it could block the light reaching you. "Ah" you say, "but given sufficient time the dust would gain enough energy to glow and so no longer stop the light", which would be true if the universe was infinitely (or very) old : which brings me on to the second reason. There may not have been sufficient time to allow all the light to reach Earth, making it infinitely bright, and infinitely hot. So this tells us something. Either the universe is not infinite, or it is not infinitely old, or both. Spider: Yes that is another possibility. Darksider: Ah in the 'new' timeline they may find that they decided to go back on a whim, and by some lucky chance (although we know luck had little to do with it) found there was something they needed to do, and did it. Oh you don't need to be able to explain everything about everything for a theory to be considered credible. Inevitably it is done by making a best guess, testing it, changing your guess, until you get nearer and nearer what appears to be the truth. Anyway we're all weirdos here  ZyXEL: Run that by me again ? Is this a variant on the usual "killing your own forebear" paradox ? You can retreat to the multi-universe theory to avoid that one, but otherwise, if you do something to screw yourself up who is to say that your birth, and the birth of all others who are screwed by your change, are not just removed from the timeline ? I stated in an earlier thread of this nature that it is only us more cautious folk who are left !  Tolls: Yeah, it is worth searching the net for info on COBE. I read a book called Wrinkles In Time a few months ago. It was similar to a biography of the author during the course of that project. (Biographies are not something I normally go for so I wouldn't have bought it if I had known, but it turned out to be a good read.) Recommend it to anyone. Hey that was fun.... |
Tolls
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posted 07-09-99 09:41 AM ET
I'd recommend Wrinkles In Time as well (George Smoot?)...apart from the fact it is still sat in my Really Must Read pile, two years after I bought it so I haven't actually read it yet. I'm sure I'll be back in the science phase of my reading cycle soon and it'll get consumed then... |
HMFIC
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posted 07-09-99 10:16 AM ET
Geeze. Anyone remember the Monty Python skits with the Gumbys in them... "my brain hurts" |
Darksider
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posted 07-10-99 09:24 AM ET
I've aready said I don't know how you spin a blackhole. And I wasn't really paying attention when the guy was explaining how to create a wormhole either, sorry. |
JohnIII
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posted 07-10-99 12:18 PM ET
Er... I think the Universe is infinite, seeing as it contains everything that exists n'all. John III |
Spoe
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posted 07-10-99 02:36 PM ET
Darksider: "I've aready said I don't know how you spin a blackhole."Conservation of angular momentum. Just dump a bunch of matter into it with a large net angular momentum and the black hole will spin. Getting an electrically charged black hole is a similar process: dump of bunch of charged particles into a black hole. You see, the amount of mass, angular momentum, and charge are the only things that remain of the original matter and energy that falls into a black hole. |
Spoe
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posted 07-10-99 02:40 PM ET
JohnIII: What if everything in the universe is finite? THen is the universe finite? |
FauxCujo
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posted 07-11-99 06:48 PM ET
I was just wondering: a star becomes a black hole if it's big enough to, er, implode under its own power. But can anything, in theory, become a black hole is squeezed dense enough? This probably sounds retarted, but I'm thinking that if you were able to pack, say, a superball tight enough, eventually even it would turn into a black hole. Think about it for a second, and then tell me where I'm going wrong.I read a column called the Straight Dope, in which people write the newspaper and ask the strangest, stupidest questions imaginable about practically anything. (One person asked what would happen if everybody in China jumped off chairs at once.) Somebody said that 20 years earlier, he had killed 57 flies in a mad frenzy. He wanted to know how many flies he prevented from being born. Using raw math to calculate, it turned out that the population from those 57 flies would have covered the earth in bug bodies- but of course, they point out that the vast majority of the eggs aren't going to make it to maturity. Same goes for your flower seeds. Oh yeah, thanks for setting me straight on all my bad ideas... |
ZyXEL
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posted 07-12-99 01:48 AM ET
FaxCujo: Yes, in theory anything can become a black hole. In reality, to create a black hole from the superball you would have to squeeze it so tight to turn it into singularity, a matter of infinite density. Then gravity would attract matter around (magnifying the mass), and eventially it would become so strong that it would 'suck in' Earth, Solar system,...Yes, this sounds retarded to, so if I'm wrong, please correct me.
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ZyXEL
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posted 07-12-99 01:51 AM ET
FauxCujo FauxCujo FauxCujoSorry, next time I will NOT �oki |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-12-99 01:06 PM ET
Just now i remember something that i talked to myself about alot:People say the "space" is a "void" of "nothing". but a law of physics (or some science) says that if something has to be everywhere because the absence of something means nothing exists in that space, therefor whatever things are around that nothingness would be compressed together(or something like that). The mass of nothing is 0, therefor it takes up NO SPACE AT ALL so saying it does is one big contradiction. ALso-- By my definition of a "void" (an area in which NOTHING exists) space is not one becuase in order for things to be distances apart there has to be something inbetween them. That and that "nothing" exists in a void, yet stars, galexies, etc. exist in this one? It makes no sense. ANd one more thing-- WE CANNOT COMPREHEND INFINITY because our brains (of yet) quantify everything in numbers of some sort yet infinity is no number it is a state of being infinite (forever). ------------------------------- We know evolution is at work here but what is evolving is still unknown. |
Spoe
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posted 07-12-99 05:10 PM ET
ZyXEL: "In reality, to create a black hole from the superball you would have to squeeze it so tight to turn it into singularity, a matter of infinite density."Almost, but not quite. You'd just need to sqeeze it down to its Schwarzchild radius, where escape velocity becomes c. EchoKnight: "People say the 'space' is a 'void' of 'nothing'." It is. It's the bare fabric of 4-D spacetime(or 11 dimensional, if string theory is correct), the only absolute metric in the universe. |
MangoBreeder
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posted 07-13-99 06:26 AM ET
GOD is DOG backwards therefore worship DOGSOK MangoBreeder |
GaryD
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posted 07-13-99 06:56 AM ET
I find your statements a little difficult to follow sometimes EchoKnight. Could you run that "whatever things are around that nothingness would be compressed together" by me again ?"The mass of nothing is 0, therefore it takes up NO SPACE AT ALL so saying it does is one big contradiction." Sorry, why is this a contradiction ? Space doesn't need to be filled as I understand it, although in practice it is thought that it will be seething with virtual particles, coming in to, and out of existence. But if we stay with the thought experiment, I believe that these particles can then be ignored. OK it is also thought that space can not exist without matter. Fair enough. But the matter need not be in evidence in the bit of space you are considering does it ? Space need not be full of solid matter. Matter outside of the space considered isn't compressed to any noticeable amount. Then you jump to this "mass of nothing" statement. No I am not following your logic. Sorry. |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-13-99 07:14 AM ET
I should apoligize. Sorry, my wording was overly haphazard.I'll try to clarify: As people see space, they thinks it is a vast nothingness. But there hasto be something there in order for their to be a distance between the stars, galexys, universes. If nothing is there to hold that space (since nothing has no mass therefor takes up NO space) the things on either side would fill the gap of nothingness util there was something to hold them apart. |
Tolls
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posted 07-13-99 09:39 AM ET
I don't see where you get the idea that "things" (do you mean, say, galaxies?) need to be held apart. There is a gravitational attraction between all the masses we see out there...but all the galaxies we see are moving as well...in general the whole lot is moving apart, which prevents it all collapsing into itself. This collapse (the Big Crunch) might happen in umpteen billion years time, but the latest calculations show that the universe will probably just keep on expanding until it eventually suffers heat death. |
Darksider
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posted 07-13-99 06:28 PM ET
I think I just found a way to dis-prove E=mc^2, maybe. If you detonated a plutonium bomb and then detonated a hydrogen bomb of the same mass of hydrogen as there was plutonium, after factoring out whatever differences there are, would the energy yield ( light, heat, etc. ) be the same from the two devices? |
Spoe
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posted 07-13-99 06:38 PM ET
Darksider: Flawed analogy. The hydrogen bomb would give off much more energy than the plutonium. Why? Because a higher percentage of the original mass is converted to energy in a fusion reaction compared to fission. If you look over the reaction formula you'll find that E=mc2 holds true. |
Darksider
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posted 07-14-99 06:33 PM ET
I already said you would have to factor out any differeces like that. Is the energy per mass released by the H-bomb the same as the energy per mass of the plutonium bomb? Is there really anyway to measure? |
GaryD
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posted 07-19-99 04:48 AM ET
Thanks for the clarification."As people see space, they think it is a vast nothingness." Not convinced that is true. Space can be seen as filled with matter, or empty of matter. If considering space as a thing/concept/whatever then it is natural to ignore any matter that it may contain. So if it is thought of as a vast nothingness 'at this time', this shouldn't be extended to draw unwarranted conclusions elsewhere. "But there has to be something there in order for their to be a distance between the stars, galaxies, universes." Why ? It is sufficient that space is there. You seem to need matter to hold everything apart. This is not a requirement. Things can stay apart with nothing but gap between them. After all if you surmise that you need some form of matter for some reason, where do you draw the line ? Does it have to be solid ? Liquid ? Gaseous ? Plasma ? Naw... Space can hold nothing, rejoice in the nothingness. "If nothing is there to hold that space (since nothing has no mass therefore takes up NO space)..." Did you mean "If nothing is there to fill that space.." ? Space doesn't need holding does it ? Nothing does take up no space, or all space, depending on your point of view. It has that unusual property, because it isn't matter and therefore can not be subjected to the same rules/limitations. But that is not the significant bit. The significant bit is that space does not have to be taken up. It can just be. "... the things on either side would fill the gap of nothingness until there was something to hold them apart." I believe that is an assumption on your part, one that I can not concur with. Things are 'happy' to be apart without anything needing to hold them there. |
M_ashwell
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posted 07-20-99 07:55 PM ET
this thread will not dissapper ok! |
ShiningOne
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posted 07-21-99 11:56 PM ET
Wow this is alot of deep stuff. I really dont have time to read all the really long replys.So i say this life is a computer game and the desinger is god time travel is simple as reloading the auto save. We have our own desiners who proudce computer games who produce more games in a continual loop. Neat huh. click over to my postin GODS on Earth?? Could you be one?? for more on this idea. |
bene4
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posted 07-22-99 12:48 AM ET
The first thing to do when coming across a time machine is to go back in time to get yourself to the time machine. Great little story "By His Bootstraps" forgotten autor, 1 main character. Next - complete relative universes: God does/doesn't exist. In effect, you are god because you control what is real. But you share the same beliefs as the beings around you, and this brings you to a similar reality. Next - The universe is big. It is full - there is no where in the whole universe that does not have anything in it. It's just spread very thin in the vacuum. Next - Edge of the universe? Innaccessible. But if anyone makes it there, just the energy from the big bang slowly slowing, but expanding into true nothing (the space between atoms, except none of the 4 forces exist). Next - Relativity: to accellerate any object with mass to the speed of light would require an infinite amount of energy (ie, all the energy in the universe). No matter how fit you are, that ain't in you. Kinda makes the whole concept a little less interesting and limited. Next - preservation of mass/energy: The universe has a fixed amount of mass/energy. it's only the ratio that matters. Mass can be converted to energy, the important thing is converting energy to mass. The interesting thing is: How will converting mass into energy affect the maximum size of the universe and whether it will expand forever or contract into a big crunch. But that depends on whether light has mass. |
Dreadnought
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posted 07-22-99 03:19 AM ET
This is a quesiton I asked my Dad years ago, and I don't think I got a meaningful response-Me, "Dad, say you had a wish, and with that wish you wished that forks were never invented. But if forks were never invented, what would your wish be? They would be around for you to wish they were never there, so would you get an extra wish?" Dad, "Um, er, um, ah, let me go get something from the kitchen, yeah, the kitchen" *Dashes out of room* Also, on a similar note, has anyone here ever played the game Chrono Trigger? Well, in that game, the charecters travel into the future and learn how the world is destroyed through information in a computer. Now, if they go back in time and destroy the thing that destroys the earth, the information wouldnt be in the computer explaining how the world would be destroyed, no? So, if the information was never there, how could they go back in time to save the world? |
NoMercy
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posted 07-22-99 05:14 PM ET
One of the reasons that we may have problems with time-travel paradoxes (and incidently why time has an arrow) may because of our view of what we physically mean by time.To illustrate this, consider a problem that plagues Physicists; point singularities. These occur as distances tend to zero with such things as black holes, electric charge etc. String Theory tries to avoid these infinities (point singularities) by assuming thet distance is quatised with each quanta being a plank length. With this interpretaion, there no meaning to distance of less than the plank length and thus point singularities nicely disappear. Now this may seem obvious but what do you mean by time? (Before you dismiss this question as splitting of hairs or the contemplation of ones navel remember from Special and General Relativity that our intuitive idea of what speed and velocity are not accurate under certain circumstances). My personal view is that if a theory results in a paradox then that is a sure sign that the theory needs refining. Time travel paradoxes will disappear as soon as a better theory for time/space emerges. NoMercy - Who lives in 10, 26 (or possibly 0) dimensions depending on which current theory turns out to be correct |
NoMercy
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posted 07-22-99 05:15 PM ET
My spelling and grammer are not good in the above point! |
GaryD
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posted 07-23-99 04:54 AM ET
OK, but what was your point ?Are you suggesting that you have a quantised time theory that solves the problems ? |
Darksider
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posted 07-25-99 10:47 PM ET
You know the latest theroy about Atlantis? That it is on the top of some mountain in South America. The theroy is that "sinking beneath the sea" was actually continental drift. Doesn't continental drift take million's of years and hasn't man only been around for 100,000? How could the myth have started when there was no one alive to see it? |
GaryD
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posted 07-26-99 04:55 AM ET
I've not heard that one, but then there are so many viewpoints on the subject, all as unlikely as each other.Anyway, to answer to your question, I suspect the proposer of this theory would argue that man has been around much longer than presently accepted theory suggests. (That, or that Atlantis was created by alien immigrants). |
Spoe
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posted 07-26-99 04:33 PM ET
"I already said you would have to factor out any differeces like that. Is the energy per mass released by the H-bomb the same as the energy per mass of the plutonium bomb? Is there really anyway to measure?" Bit of a late reply, but... We know the masses of the inputs(uranium or plutonium in the one case; deuterium, tritium, lithium in the other) and the output of the possible reactions as well as each reaction's probability(there are several ways that Plutonium can fission, for example). You compare and you can figure out the delta mass and therefore the energy released for the average reaction. From this, and the expected efficiency of the bomb, you can calculate an expected yield. Usually this is pretty close and when it's off, further investigation usually shows the efficiency was incorrectly calculated.Not really a way to measure the mass change directly(in a bomb; you could probably compare power piles directly), since 1 kiloton relates to a delta mass of only 0.0466 grams. Considering that you have around of 10 kg(minimum around 4-5 kg; the critical mass for a bare uncompressed alpha phase(the densest form at 19.84 g/cm3) Pu 239 core) of plutonium(about 93% Pu-239) in a fission bomb and the same plus a goodly amount of fusion fuel in a hydrogen bomb, kinda hard to check afterward, eh? |
Darksider
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posted 07-27-99 08:45 PM ET
If I eat three tins of beans and light 22% of the farts, what percentage of my body will be covered in burns? |
GaryD
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posted 07-28-99 04:03 AM ET
That question was really deep. |
CrayonX
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posted 07-29-99 03:33 AM ET
Okay, this topic has turned into a free for all (sort of), but here's my 2 cents on time travel...The way I see it, time falls under the category of "perceived things". Other examples include color and gravity. We know that color is really just a perception of how we see light bent and fractured along the electromagnetic spectrum. Gravity is just there...it has no mass in and of itself and is not composed of anything physical, it is just a force perceived to exist just because it does. Another example is consciousness. These are things that we accept as existing even though there is no real substantial material existence for them. Time is the same thing. The only reason why we perceive it is because we have created linear frames of reference (ie seconds, minutes, hours, etc). Otherwise, time would just "exist" and not given a second thought about. The act of existing relies on the references of time we have created...there is no measurement for a "moment" or even an "eon" for that matter. So, what exactly is the "speed" of time. Well, since all "speeds" are referenced against time, could we not also reference time against speed? For example, I can travel 60 miles per hour. Do we not also say we travel 1 minute per mile. See, sometimes we reverse the stereotypical reference. So, in terms of time travel, lets say t was a moment in time. That means t-x is x units in the past and t+x is x units into the future. That means that every moment in the present will become the past (eventually). So, in order to travel through time, we need to create the perception that we can stay at point t-x. We know that we can alter the perception of color, as well as the perception of gravity. If the world decides that today is yesterday, is that not travelling through time? It is after all, just a perception. Okay, enough incoherent ramblings. Time for bed. CrayonX |
EchoKnight
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posted 07-30-99 11:52 AM ET
Personally I agree with the statement that time is "percieved". It is completely true. In the book "Eistein's Dreams" many theories of time are discussed. One is: in the center of time everything moves so slowly that movement of a single molecule takes thousands of years. As you travel out from the center time speeds up. But people do not feel a difference in the time. For instance, lets say New York City is the center of time. If you live in New Jersey time would be a thousand or so times slower than if you lived in florida. so lets sya you live in New Jersey in Jersey City and you travel 3,000 miles south when you 60, lets say you have two brothers of 80, and 90. you stay in florida until you die at the ripe old age of 120. *your brothers live in Jersey city*. they each would only age one year in the span it took you to live 50. |
Darksider
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posted 08-03-99 08:56 PM ET
I agree with the view that god was "made up" to give weight to laws. I suppose it makes sense : Do not steal or your god will strike you down. This is coming out all wrong, the point is that GOD IS MADE UP. It's awfully convienient that "faith" is believing in something that can't be proved. If we do not believe our faith is not stong enought? Bollox! |
Kangawallafox
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posted 08-06-99 01:06 AM ET
The One Electron Theory (long post warning)I wish I'd invented this one, but I didn't. Have you heard about antimatter being stuff that has opposite charge to matter and which annihilates (normal) matter when they meet? Well the theory supposes that antimatter is normal matter but going "backwards in time", and then takes that supposition further. So take a pair of electrons. If one is going backwards in time it must appear to act as an antielectron, attracting a normal electron (the reverse-time version of repelling it). If you don't believe in going backwards in time you'd call it a positron: a particle with electron-like mass but with reverse charge namely positive charge instead of negative. We've detected these particles and call them positrons. Two perspectives on what could be the same thing. The cool thing is when you get a positron and an electron close enough (in a laboratory equipped to detect these things) they attract and annihilate one another with a little blast of energy. And the reverse is also, apprently, observable: that certain high energy interactions leads to lots of (short lived) positrons being detectable. The theory says that the energy you see is the influence that makes the single electron change "direction" in time. Need to hear that again? An electron is influenced by a lot of energy to change direction in time. An observer sees the electron twice up until the even with all the energy happens, then sees neither the electron nor the positron after that. So we didn't see an electron and positron annihilate but a single charged particle change direction. The theory goes further. The same thing happens to protons. I'm not sure if it extends to neutrons, which can be fabricated from an electron and a proton and some energy for the mass delta. Anyway the theory says that the big bang was a whole lot of these matter-antimatter pairs all changing direction at the same point in time - and with a whopping great energy input to balance the equation. It predicts that each electron must some time meet a positron somewhere (maybe as a big crunch, maybe as several smaller crunches, plus all the messing about in between such as in laboratories, it doesn't matter) and that energy will be involved each time. It predicts this by saying that there was only ever one electron, not heaps of electrons that just *happen* to have the same mass and charge as each other and just *happen* to have the reverse charge and same mass as positrons. Similarly there only ever was one proton. I don�t know the theory or my particle physics nearly well enough to explain why a proton and positron have the same charge and different mass but I still think it's a cool theory! Extrapolating, you could predict that any electron-positron pair created in a lab cannot self-annihilate, because every interaction should be traceable back to the big bang or equivalent event in a single continuous stream of "creations" and "annihilations". Or it wouldn't be the same one electron and wouldn't have the same mass etc. A pretty difficult theory to test. Does this prove/disprove God? No Does this help answer relativity or time travel? No Does it support e=mc^2? I don't know (creation of charge might screw with the equation) But I like it!!! K-fox
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Blitzkrieger
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posted 08-06-99 06:33 PM ET
This has nothing to do with physics or anything but does anyone subscribe to the Insert Your Name Here theory?You know that the entire point of the universe is for you to exist. You are the only "real person" in the universe and everybody else only exists because you do. They only appear to think because you made them this way. The entire universe is there because you made it that way. I saw this on some american show, must have been the philosophers version of the Jerry "I am a love child of a turd " Springer show. He claimed this explained how he could see the future - i.e. because he creates it. What a nutter? |
GaryD
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posted 08-09-99 06:34 AM ET
I would reply, but why should I bother ? You only exist because I thought of you anyway. |
M_ashwell
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posted 08-11-99 02:18 PM ET
wow this is better than the constant flame wars paradoxis time travel FTL travel matter energy ratio this is more my feild. i have used the "none of you exist exept me" line soo many times now it seems old but here goes. ok every one prove to me that you exist. you cant can i prove i exist? no therefore no-one exists and this is all in the mind of a sick delusional god who can't prove that he exists hmmm that should get some attention!!!Commander M E Ashwell |
GaryD
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posted 08-12-99 05:08 AM ET
I can prove that I exist to me, as I am aware of thoughts so must exist to be aware of them. I can not prove this to you of course, but there again I don't have to, as you only exist because I thought of you.Perhaps it is I who is the "sick delusional god" then. |
Mertz
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posted 08-13-99 07:30 PM ET
Since I have seen a lot of incorrect statements and wrong interpretations on basic concepts of physics, I find a need to explain some fundamentals:Einsteins theories: E=mc^2 is used to explain the relationship between energy and mass, which means mass can be converted into energy (like in your standard fission nuclear reactor) and energy can be converted into mass (like in a cyclotron). That all there is to it. Proving the theory: E=mc^2 can be proven easily. Weigh the uranium you put in to a nuclear plant, run the plant a certain amount of time, then weigh the waste. The mass defect (loss of mass) will be equal to E/c^2, where E is energy out. It can also be proven with a Michelsen-Morley interferometer (read any book on physics for more on this). Faster than light: Relativity theory has nothing to do with things being able to travel faster than c. Squaring c does NOT mean anything travels at c^2, it is only used as a constant of proportionality in the equation. Things can NOT travel faster than light. Speed of light and applications: In case you have forgoten, c=300 000 000 m/s, which means 1 gram of mass can be converted into 90 TJ (tera joules). This is the idea of anti-mattered powered engines. Ordinary engines (chemical combustion) generate around 1000 J per gram, so 1 gram of anti-matter is roughly equal to 1 million tons (yes!) of ordinary rocket fuel. Note that anti-matter must be created, consuming equal (in effect larger) amounts of energy that are "stored" in the anti-matter. The advantage of an anti-mattered powered space craft would be the much lower weight, meaning lower consumption of energy to accelerate. With an anti matter engine, accelerations of around g are possible for shorter distances, say to Mars. Getting to Mars in this way would take roughly 4 days. Definition of universe: To make things more clear, the term "universe" is is most usually known as all that which is between (and including) those places of mass (stars etc.) that are at the furthest distance from the point of origin of the Big Bang (the center of the universe), i.e. the "universe" is a finite place. The stuff outside the universe is a vacuum. Some people refer to the "universe" as the above definition, but also including the stuff (vacuum) outside. This definition is not usually used (not in physics textbooks anyway), but with this definition the universe is infinate. Origin of universe: The origin of the universe (as defined above) is just a mathematical probability, so technically there could be other universes (places with own mass, i.e. other Big Bangs) outside our own. So far none have been spotted (duh!), so these would technically be VERY far away from us (at least 30 billion lightyears away). Expansion of universe: The universe is expanding 360 degrees in 3 planes (X,Y,Z), like any explosion in a vacuum. It is expanding into nothing (into a vacuum). Time travel: Time travel (both forward/backward) is possible according to many different theories. According to theory of relativity (a proven theory) you can travel forward in time, but not back. Get in your spaceship (equivalent) and travel at a sufficiently high speed, say 0.9c. Your frame of reference (time frame) slows down. Travel back to earth, and other people (with their own time frame, "reference frame") will have aged more than you. The drawback to this is that the human body can not be accelerated much faster than around g (10 m/s^2) (meaning that it takes a long time to get to 0.9 c), chances of collision with other matter (the galaxy is full of stuff) and the energy needed to accelerate is HUGE. In other words, time travel into the future is practically not very usefull. The best way to travel into the future, as I see it, is to (in the future there will be better technology) to freeze yourself, and rewake at a later date. Can't see what this would be good for though, but you could always invest $1000 in the stockmarket, sleep for a few hundred years, and wake up a millionaire. My theory of God (the "General Theory of God"): God (or sometimes Gods) where created by primitive man (cavemen etc.) to help explain their world. Since they didn't have any developed theories of physics, they had to make things up using their imagination, producing God.
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Spoe
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posted 08-16-99 01:55 PM ET
Mertz: "E=mc^2 can be proven easily. Weigh the uranium you put in to a nuclear plant, run the plant a certain amount of time, then weigh the waste. The mass defect (loss of mass) will be equal to E/c^2, where E is energy out."Well, it'd almost be this easy. Have to make sure you count all the neutrons, photons, etc. that leave the pile as radiation also. "Squaring c does NOT mean anything travels at c^2"
True. c2 isn't even in units of speed -- it's area per time2. "The universe is expanding 360 degrees in 3 planes (X,Y,Z), like any explosion in a vacuum. It is expanding into nothing (into a vacuum)."
Not necessarily. There are plenty of good theories(i.e. the can are solutions of the equations of general relativity, etc.) where the universe has no outside or edge(there are a number of possible geometries. There was even a recent Scientific American article about how to tell if we live in a particular class of these). The descriptions you give makes it sound as if if you travel far enough you'll reach a place the universe hasn't expanded into yet. While this is I suppose possible, it's not a feature of most cosmological theories. This also applies to your definition of the universe as well. |
Darksider
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posted 08-16-99 08:30 PM ET
Mertz:"E=mc^2 can be proven easily. Weigh the uranium you put in to a nuclear plant, run the plant a certain amount of time, then weigh the waste. The mass defect (loss of mass) will be equal to E/c^2, where E is energy out." I'd like to see you try to prove it! You'd have to measure every degree of temperature rise, every (photon?) unit of light, every unit of radiation, every unit of kinetic energy (blast wave), every unit of sound, etc. It seems inconcievable that all these things and many more not listed would add up to exactly c^2 times m. And many people have said many times in this very thread that C^2 is not the speed of light squared. I know I sound like I'm taking the piss but it looks like you only read half the posts and then skipped to the end to reply! Who knows what is outside our universe? Maybe their is more than one "universe". Maybe before the big bang there was more than one incredibly dense ball of matter. Maybe they both went bang at the same time. Maybe this second "universe" is headed right for us right now, but started from so far away that no light from it has reached us here yet. Of course the above is completer bollox, but can you disprove it. Sometimes I'm amazed at how narrow our view of the universe is. I mean we don't even understand space and time! |