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Dreadnought posted 07-06-99 12:01 AM ET
....Post here why. I dispise America, even though I live there. If anyone actually replies, I'll tell why.
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Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics.
"This one goes there, that one goes there!"
M_ashwell posted 07-07-99 08:52 AM ET
why?
GaryD posted 07-07-99 09:00 AM ET
Why ... bring this one to the top ?
ZRand007 posted 07-07-99 09:38 AM ET
How could anyone hate the most electrifying nation in the world? If you hate the US, I have a little nursury rhyme for you:
Mary had a little lamb,
Well piss on Mary
Piss on the lamb
And piss on you!
j/k. Had a little bit of a conceided moment there. But I still think America is the best!
-007
GaryD posted 07-07-99 11:30 AM ET
"How could anyone hate the most electrifying nation in the world?"
Is that a reference to your fondness for capital punishment ?
M_ashwell posted 07-07-99 01:49 PM ET
why do i hate the us?
1 i am english and am sick of your stupid tourists asking me where some thing is... GET A MAP!
2 it really annoys me how u have degraded our language into "hi"s and "cool"s you cant even spell colour or fertaliser
HINT "color" has a u in it
"fertalizer" is a s not a z!
im sick of people like bill gates absorbing all the wealth when people are starving for F*** sake
i do not beleive the death penalty is right
is that enough?
or shall i keep going!!
Shadwhawk posted 07-07-99 02:22 PM ET
M_ashwell, your tourism complaint goes -both- ways.
Your language argument is petty; languages -always- diverged back when it took months to travel from place to place. The accents from New York and the South are quite different; there's almost no change in accents from Washington state to California, to Nevada, to Alaska. Why? Railroads. Faster travel.
It diverged even more when we absorbed so many words from so many -other- languages. We don't speak English. We speak American.
Spellings change over time. It's a fact of life; deal with it. You spell it 'colour', but we pronounce it 'culer;' there's no 'u' sound in the word. You use more S's than Z's; yet depending on their placement in the word, they can both sound similar to each other.
There are rich people in England, you know. You hear that the Queen has been overpaid by $31 million in the past decade?
A lot of Americans don't think the death penalty is right, either. Until we can find a way to incarcerate people for life, for cheap, with absolutely no possibility for release and very slim chances for escape, I'm all for the death penalty.
And, now for the 'petty' part of my reply.
Don't you know how to capitalize words? Don't you know how to use the apostrophe? Don't you know you say 'an' instead of 'a' before a word that starts with a vowel sound?
Petty part finished.
I love this country; it has governing problems, just like every country. It has officials in embarassing situations, just like most countries. It has a number of stupid and useless laws, just like every other country. It caters to religion, just like nearly every other country.
If this country sucked so bad, how could we make it from British colony to superpower and one of the leaders in technology, wealth, and manufacturing in a mere 220 years?
Shadowhawk
Spoe posted 07-07-99 03:56 PM ET
M_ashwell:
I, too, shall be petty for the first part of my reply.

"it really annoys me how u have degraded our language into 'hi's and 'cool's you cant even spell colour or fertaliser."
Since when has the English language contained the word 'u'? I also seem to remember concepts known as 'punctuation' and 'capitalization'. You also seem to have forgotten the fine art contractions. I mean, since when is 'can't' spelled 'cant'? Let me correct your sentences(the original was a run-on): "It really annoys me how you have degraded our language into 'hi's and 'cool's. You can't even spell colour or ferti>lizer."
"'fertalizer' is a s not a z"
In neither English nor American spelling does it have an 'a'. It is 'fertilizer', derived from the word 'fertile'.
Also, it is spelled 'believe', not 'beleive'.
In short, you may wish to learn at least a semblance of proper grammar before you start complaining about ours.
Now for the serious portion of the reply.
The difference between American and English spelling goes back to when there were no codified spellings for English words. Then in the 19^th century Webster in the US and some other guy in England published their spelling primers; each interpretation of correct spelling became the standard for its respective country. So, in fact, we Americans did not take your 'proper' English spellings and 'pervert' them; both systems evolved along side each other and are equally valid.
Spoe posted 07-07-99 03:58 PM ET
Erk. I managed to close a end bold tag twice. Should obviously be 'fertilizer', not 'ferti>lizer'.
Valtyr posted 07-07-99 04:19 PM ET
ZRand007 has been watching way[/b) too much WWF wrestling! I have a "friend" who watches that and he's unbearable! Why does every wrestling fan have to copy the wrestler "The Rock" and his "nursery rhymes" all the time? And I mean [b]all the time!
Valtyr posted 07-07-99 04:20 PM ET
Aaarrrggghhh!!! I want post edit!!!
Valtyr posted 07-07-99 04:30 PM ET
Grrr... I'm giving up on ubb code.
Dreadnought posted 07-07-99 06:28 PM ET
Valtyr- Wrestling, INHO, is nothing more than a disgrace to human culture. There is nothing more depressing than seeing a 40-year old man walking down the street with a shirt that reads "100% PERCENT WHOOP-ASS!!!"
*Shudder*
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Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics.
"This one goes there, that one goes there!"
Krushala posted 07-07-99 06:30 PM ET
actually I find that humorous. A 40 year old man wearing that t-shirt.
Valtyr posted 07-07-99 06:59 PM ET
Luckily I don't have cable, so I don't get exposed to that crap .
Krushala posted 07-07-99 07:07 PM ET
didn't upn or some other wannabe network sign a deal for wrestling? I heard something like wrestling is coming to network tv or something.
Valtyr posted 07-07-99 07:28 PM ET
My "friend" haven't been talking about anything else but wrestling lately, and it's getting annoying. I've told him I'm not interested, but he keeps on yapping. It's "the most electrifying this" and "the most electrifying that", "roody poo", "candy ass" etc. I'm thinking I should tell him to get a life, but then again I don't have a life, so...
MiKaeLe posted 07-07-99 08:18 PM ET
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MiKaeLe
-not actualy here!flashback
FauxCujo posted 07-08-99 02:05 AM ET
Back to the death penalty...
Why would somebody want to live in a prison with security restrictions such that escape is impossible? This would mean, basically, that life would be a living hell, and I guarantee after about a year of this, your average convict would be BEGGING to have the death penalty reinstated.
Yeah, everybody hates rich people, but there are plenty of disgustingly rich billionaires across the globe. There's a high concentration in Japan.
Dreadnought, you never said why you hated America, other than wrestling.
I hate censorship. The USA is the most disgustingly censored nation on the planet. Europe has pretty much free porn, and the people there don't seem to become sex addicts, rapists, or even blind. Movies get shown to kids in other countries, but have to be edited to get played in the US at all, even under an R rating. It's only in this country that we get such a buzz talking about school shootings- which have seen a drastic rise from about 2 to 7- and only in this country that we seem to have a problem.
Man, when I hear adults talk about carding me for a stupid movie, it makes me want to get a bunch of guns and shoot everybody at my school.
Tolls posted 07-08-99 05:21 AM ET
Come to the UK sometime...in some situations we have harsher censorship for the cinema.
Shining1 posted 07-08-99 05:23 AM ET
About the only reason I can honestly find to hate the U.S is that y'all can't play football and don't understand cricket. If you had football teams and cricket teams playing test matches in places like Berlin and Auckland, you'd be a regular member of the world. Instead you play Basketball and Golf. This all seems to bespeak a dire unwillingness to EVER lose at anything to anyone. Get over that, and you'd be fine.
Other than that, you seem to have similar problems to the rest of the world. Poor vs. rich (though you should look at Saudi Arabia for a real example of the loaded vs. the starving), violence in a free society, hypocracy in government (esp. the U.S [not the us] being pro free trade, which cracks me up - APEC's gonna be so much fun...) and so forth. And, being a young country with a short history, you're also struggling to overthrow the last remains of religious oppression.
The only real downer is that the food sucks, apparently. Again, probably due to the trade barriers.
Wrestling is funny, and should be regarded as such. And, just occasionally, there's some that borders on the spectacular. I watch regularly, because the plotlines are often deeper and usually more worthwhile than those of daytime soaps, and I am a compulsive fan of script writing.
Earwicker posted 07-08-99 07:55 AM ET
>>>but have to be edited to get played in the US at all, even under an R rating
I find the prudish nature of my countrymen regarding nudity in the media to be very silly. After all, it's only bodies. It is disturbing that we (as a people) do not place similar restrictions on depictions of violence in media. One of the things I found most interesting about watching tv in Europe was that movies would leave nudity in but edit the scenes of violence. Bravo!
DCA posted 07-08-99 03:05 PM ET
Unsurprisingly, this sex-vs-violence question is not at all new. In the good old days, they practiced public 'aggrevated' executions, where people were tied up, their stomach cut up, their bowels removed, their chest broken up, and finally their heart removed. All while the criminal was still alive, of course. However, they never did this to women - that would naturally mean a public display of female breasts, which was, of course, immoral. And the Christian men of old were of course all very moral men...
DCA,
The word heretic ought to be a term of honour...
JohnIII posted 07-08-99 03:30 PM ET
Hey Shining1, you know that Test at Edgbaston last week? The one where England (shock) won? I WAS THERE.
And, in fact, last year I saw Michael Atherton get a century against South Africa. Must be me
John III
Saras posted 07-08-99 04:42 PM ET
shining, you have to hate Lithuania's guts then...
Philip McCauley posted 07-09-99 03:08 AM ET
Football? We LOVE football! Oh, damn, language again.
The food sucks? Jesus, man, the only food we don't have is British! Within fifteen minutes of driving, I can have a burger, chinese, mexican, italian, seafood, thai, sushi, sandwich, sub sandwich, soup/salad, fruit smoothie, hot dogs, coffee, pizza... The only strictly 'american' foods, like corn, kick ass too.
Wrestling is a soap opera for men.
As for capital punishment...if we have the right to take away an individual's freedom, why don't we have the right to take his life? However, I'm against capital punishment, cuz it's actually cheaper, in our screwed up legal system, to put 'em in for life without parole.
Images are only images. It's the way people focus on them that we should pay attention to.
Tolls posted 07-09-99 04:42 AM ET
JohnIII:
Get tickets for all England's Test matches...even the ones abroad...PLEASE!??!??!
Ambro2000 posted 07-10-99 06:53 AM ET
How can you possibly dislike a country that has Jerry Springer as a National Icon and Wrestling as a National Sport?
I mean Wrestling? Those guys have a lesser brain activity than a dead squirrel and they pump their bodies so full with horse hormones and other **** that they actually start to whinny during an orgasm! I also think that you need a master degree in English if you are going to understand what that strange noise that is coming out from their mouths is or be very good at guessing.........I guess!
I mean Jerry Springer? Those guys have a lesser brain activity than a dead squirrel and I don�t mean the silly people that are being paid to do the silly things they do at stage. I mean the silly audience (which is approximately 2/3 of USA�s population). Why do they start yelling Jerry Jerry every time their is a fight going on? And what hilariously stupid comments they make all the time! USA is the only country were they actually have a �comedy show� about the silly talkshows.( ever heard of the Dick Dietrick show?)
USA isn�t bad, it just that it is turning out to be one big amusement park!
your faithful.....
Ambro2000
JohnIII posted 07-10-99 08:01 AM ET
Sorry to disappoint you Tolls, but I can only go once a year, one of the benefits of having lots of cricket-obsessed teachers
John III
Krushala posted 07-10-99 12:22 PM ET
actually we have talk soup to make fun of talk shows. Anyway no more fights on jerry. So maybe stupid people will stop chanting jerry! jerry!. Believe it or not there actually some americans that are mature. I'm probably not one of them though.
Dreadnought posted 07-10-99 12:48 PM ET
I have a feeling once the take the fights off of the show, it will start to become less popular. The only reason I've ever seen that damn show is bocuase where I used to live in St. Louis, it was on right before my favorite show, Late Night with Conan O'Brain. I decided to see what all of the hoopla was all about. I think just by watching it my IQ decreased by about 3 points.....
Ambro, you are very much right about those idiotic audience members. "Girlfriend, you need to kick that man to the curb! Ditch that zero, and getyourself a hero!" And for some reason, no matter how little sense the comment makes, the rest of the audience never fails to appluad. Oh and BTW, to anyone who knows what I'm talking about, how did those Jerry Springer court trials turn out?
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Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics.
"This one goes there, that one goes there!"
Timexwatch posted 07-10-99 09:07 PM ET
About the football crack Shining, our ladies just got the World Cup, so....at least half of us can play
JohnIII posted 07-11-99 05:00 AM ET
What World Cup? It's in 2002, isn't it? And why would you enter your women instead of the men?

John III
M_ashwell posted 07-11-99 05:28 PM ET
ok ok
i apologise
its just on that paticular day an american tourist nearly cost me my job and i was a little bitter ok.
to the two self admitied petie people
so I cant spell, SUE me
ok thats about it
bye
The Great Tawdal posted 07-11-99 06:37 PM ET
Damn it, nobody respects the mighty beaver anymore.
MangoBreeder posted 07-13-99 06:02 AM ET
The reason America sucks is that your all so stuck up. It annoys me how America only spends 23.2% of its total tax income on social welfare but a whopping 32.7% on the military. Were the armed forces in america only employ an fraction of the people who acutally need welfare. In glorious sunny britannia we only spend 12.4% of our budget on the armed forces with a whopping 45% on Social spending,
Not to mention our links with the EU and the Commonwealth which make us an ideal trading center.
Laterz
MangoBreeder
Spoe posted 07-13-99 01:29 PM ET
M_ashwell:
"...american tourist nearly cost me my job..."
What'd this tourist do?
M_ashwell posted 07-13-99 02:26 PM ET
ok heres the story
i was folding my shirts at work (i work for madhouse so ne1 in england may visit me)
this person came up to me and asked me where the nearest phone was .
I told him 100 meters that way on the left
about 5 minuits later he came back and told me that they arnt there.
NOW I WORK there i'm sure i know the layout of the place
anyway i told him that they are there
he shouted that they wern't
my manager came up and asked me what the problem was
without waiting for me the american person plowed in throwing abuse at me and then left
my manager threw his nut and nearly sacked me
Fin
Krushala posted 07-13-99 06:29 PM ET
Why does it annoy you what america does with it's money if you don't live here. I think it was the other dislike america thread that walruskkkch pointed out that the federal goverment was not created for social programs. It was mainly designed for to maintain the armed forces to guard against invasion. All social programs should rest on the states. Not being from here you might not know how state goverments work and how they used to work. They used to be very powerful. But the federal goverment felt they weren't doing their job in the 30's and instituted massive social reforms which some called socialist (not me though). Considering that the entire planet hates us we need to maintain such a large military except for the army. Local programs are more effective for social reform. Poor people in alaska aren't the same as poor people in mississippi.
Krushala posted 07-13-99 06:32 PM ET
And british people are just as arrogant as americans. I admit we are arrogant. But that's because we got it from the English. What do you expect from nations that were the most powerful on the planet.
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Dreadnought	posted 07-06-99 12:01 AM ET ....Post here why. I dispise America, even though I live there. If anyone actually replies, I'll tell why. _______________________________________ Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics. "This one goes there, that one goes there!"
M_ashwell	posted 07-07-99 08:52 AM ET why?
GaryD	posted 07-07-99 09:00 AM ET Why ... bring this one to the top ?
ZRand007	posted 07-07-99 09:38 AM ET How could anyone hate the most electrifying nation in the world? If you hate the US, I have a little nursury rhyme for you: Mary had a little lamb, Well piss on Mary Piss on the lamb And piss on you! j/k. Had a little bit of a conceided moment there. But I still think America is the best! -007
GaryD	posted 07-07-99 11:30 AM ET "How could anyone hate the most electrifying nation in the world?" Is that a reference to your fondness for capital punishment ?
M_ashwell	posted 07-07-99 01:49 PM ET why do i hate the us? 1 i am english and am sick of your stupid tourists asking me where some thing is... GET A MAP! 2 it really annoys me how u have degraded our language into "hi"s and "cool"s you cant even spell colour or fertaliser HINT "color" has a u in it "fertalizer" is a s not a z! im sick of people like bill gates absorbing all the wealth when people are starving for F*** sake i do not beleive the death penalty is right is that enough? or shall i keep going!!
Shadwhawk	posted 07-07-99 02:22 PM ET M_ashwell, your tourism complaint goes -both- ways. Your language argument is petty; languages -always- diverged back when it took months to travel from place to place. The accents from New York and the South are quite different; there's almost no change in accents from Washington state to California, to Nevada, to Alaska. Why? Railroads. Faster travel. It diverged even more when we absorbed so many words from so many -other- languages. We don't speak English. We speak American. Spellings change over time. It's a fact of life; deal with it. You spell it 'colour', but we pronounce it 'culer;' there's no 'u' sound in the word. You use more S's than Z's; yet depending on their placement in the word, they can both sound similar to each other. There are rich people in England, you know. You hear that the Queen has been overpaid by $31 million in the past decade? A lot of Americans don't think the death penalty is right, either. Until we can find a way to incarcerate people for life, for cheap, with absolutely no possibility for release and very slim chances for escape, I'm all for the death penalty. And, now for the 'petty' part of my reply. Don't you know how to capitalize words? Don't you know how to use the apostrophe? Don't you know you say 'an' instead of 'a' before a word that starts with a vowel sound? Petty part finished. I love this country; it has governing problems, just like every country. It has officials in embarassing situations, just like most countries. It has a number of stupid and useless laws, just like every other country. It caters to religion, just like nearly every other country. If this country sucked so bad, how could we make it from British colony to superpower and one of the leaders in technology, wealth, and manufacturing in a mere 220 years? Shadowhawk
Spoe	posted 07-07-99 03:56 PM ET M_ashwell: I, too, shall be petty for the first part of my reply. "it really annoys me how u have degraded our language into 'hi's and 'cool's you cant even spell colour or fertaliser." Since when has the English language contained the word 'u'? I also seem to remember concepts known as 'punctuation' and 'capitalization'. You also seem to have forgotten the fine art contractions. I mean, since when is 'can't' spelled 'cant'? Let me correct your sentences(the original was a run-on): "It really annoys me how you have degraded our language into 'hi's and 'cool's. You can't even spell colour or ferti>lizer." "'fertalizer' is a s not a z" In neither English nor American spelling does it have an 'a'. It is 'fertilizer', derived from the word 'fertile'. Also, it is spelled 'believe', not 'beleive'. In short, you may wish to learn at least a semblance of proper grammar before you start complaining about ours. Now for the serious portion of the reply. The difference between American and English spelling goes back to when there were no codified spellings for English words. Then in the 19^th century Webster in the US and some other guy in England published their spelling primers; each interpretation of correct spelling became the standard for its respective country. So, in fact, we Americans did not take your 'proper' English spellings and 'pervert' them; both systems evolved along side each other and are equally valid.
Spoe	posted 07-07-99 03:58 PM ET Erk. I managed to close a end bold tag twice. Should obviously be 'fertilizer', not 'ferti>lizer'.
Valtyr	posted 07-07-99 04:19 PM ET ZRand007 has been watching way[/b) too much WWF wrestling! I have a "friend" who watches that and he's unbearable! Why does every wrestling fan have to copy the wrestler "The Rock" and his "nursery rhymes" all the time? And I mean [b]all the time!
Valtyr	posted 07-07-99 04:20 PM ET Aaarrrggghhh!!! I want post edit!!!
Valtyr	posted 07-07-99 04:30 PM ET Grrr... I'm giving up on ubb code.
Dreadnought	posted 07-07-99 06:28 PM ET Valtyr- Wrestling, INHO, is nothing more than a disgrace to human culture. There is nothing more depressing than seeing a 40-year old man walking down the street with a shirt that reads "100% PERCENT WHOOP-ASS!!!" Shudder _______________________________________ Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics. "This one goes there, that one goes there!"
Krushala	posted 07-07-99 06:30 PM ET actually I find that humorous. A 40 year old man wearing that t-shirt.
Valtyr	posted 07-07-99 06:59 PM ET Luckily I don't have cable, so I don't get exposed to that crap .
Krushala	posted 07-07-99 07:07 PM ET didn't upn or some other wannabe network sign a deal for wrestling? I heard something like wrestling is coming to network tv or something.
Valtyr	posted 07-07-99 07:28 PM ET My "friend" haven't been talking about anything else but wrestling lately, and it's getting annoying. I've told him I'm not interested, but he keeps on yapping. It's "the most electrifying this" and "the most electrifying that", "roody poo", "candy ass" etc. I'm thinking I should tell him to get a life, but then again I don't have a life, so...
MiKaeLe	posted 07-07-99 08:18 PM ET SPAM SPAM SPAM AMERICA SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM WRESTLING SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM ENGLAND SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM WHATEVER SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM AL PACINO SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM FURASSES SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAMSPAM SMAC SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM. :l~ MiKaeLe -not actualy here!flashback
FauxCujo	posted 07-08-99 02:05 AM ET Back to the death penalty... Why would somebody want to live in a prison with security restrictions such that escape is impossible? This would mean, basically, that life would be a living hell, and I guarantee after about a year of this, your average convict would be BEGGING to have the death penalty reinstated. Yeah, everybody hates rich people, but there are plenty of disgustingly rich billionaires across the globe. There's a high concentration in Japan. Dreadnought, you never said why you hated America, other than wrestling. I hate censorship. The USA is the most disgustingly censored nation on the planet. Europe has pretty much free porn, and the people there don't seem to become sex addicts, rapists, or even blind. Movies get shown to kids in other countries, but have to be edited to get played in the US at all, even under an R rating. It's only in this country that we get such a buzz talking about school shootings- which have seen a drastic rise from about 2 to 7- and only in this country that we seem to have a problem. Man, when I hear adults talk about carding me for a stupid movie, it makes me want to get a bunch of guns and shoot everybody at my school.
Tolls	posted 07-08-99 05:21 AM ET Come to the UK sometime...in some situations we have harsher censorship for the cinema.
Shining1	posted 07-08-99 05:23 AM ET About the only reason I can honestly find to hate the U.S is that y'all can't play football and don't understand cricket. If you had football teams and cricket teams playing test matches in places like Berlin and Auckland, you'd be a regular member of the world. Instead you play Basketball and Golf. This all seems to bespeak a dire unwillingness to EVER lose at anything to anyone. Get over that, and you'd be fine. Other than that, you seem to have similar problems to the rest of the world. Poor vs. rich (though you should look at Saudi Arabia for a real example of the loaded vs. the starving), violence in a free society, hypocracy in government (esp. the U.S [not the us] being pro free trade, which cracks me up - APEC's gonna be so much fun...) and so forth. And, being a young country with a short history, you're also struggling to overthrow the last remains of religious oppression. The only real downer is that the food sucks, apparently. Again, probably due to the trade barriers. Wrestling is funny, and should be regarded as such. And, just occasionally, there's some that borders on the spectacular. I watch regularly, because the plotlines are often deeper and usually more worthwhile than those of daytime soaps, and I am a compulsive fan of script writing.
Earwicker	posted 07-08-99 07:55 AM ET >>>but have to be edited to get played in the US at all, even under an R rating I find the prudish nature of my countrymen regarding nudity in the media to be very silly. After all, it's only bodies. It is disturbing that we (as a people) do not place similar restrictions on depictions of violence in media. One of the things I found most interesting about watching tv in Europe was that movies would leave nudity in but edit the scenes of violence. Bravo!
DCA	posted 07-08-99 03:05 PM ET Unsurprisingly, this sex-vs-violence question is not at all new. In the good old days, they practiced public 'aggrevated' executions, where people were tied up, their stomach cut up, their bowels removed, their chest broken up, and finally their heart removed. All while the criminal was still alive, of course. However, they never did this to women - that would naturally mean a public display of female breasts, which was, of course, immoral. And the Christian men of old were of course all very moral men... DCA, The word heretic ought to be a term of honour...
JohnIII	posted 07-08-99 03:30 PM ET Hey Shining1, you know that Test at Edgbaston last week? The one where England (shock) won? I WAS THERE. And, in fact, last year I saw Michael Atherton get a century against South Africa. Must be me John III
Saras	posted 07-08-99 04:42 PM ET shining, you have to hate Lithuania's guts then...
Philip McCauley	posted 07-09-99 03:08 AM ET Football? We LOVE football! Oh, damn, language again. The food sucks? Jesus, man, the only food we don't have is British! Within fifteen minutes of driving, I can have a burger, chinese, mexican, italian, seafood, thai, sushi, sandwich, sub sandwich, soup/salad, fruit smoothie, hot dogs, coffee, pizza... The only strictly 'american' foods, like corn, kick ass too. Wrestling is a soap opera for men. As for capital punishment...if we have the right to take away an individual's freedom, why don't we have the right to take his life? However, I'm against capital punishment, cuz it's actually cheaper, in our screwed up legal system, to put 'em in for life without parole. Images are only images. It's the way people focus on them that we should pay attention to.
Tolls	posted 07-09-99 04:42 AM ET JohnIII: Get tickets for all England's Test matches...even the ones abroad...PLEASE!??!??!
Ambro2000	posted 07-10-99 06:53 AM ET How can you possibly dislike a country that has Jerry Springer as a National Icon and Wrestling as a National Sport? I mean Wrestling? Those guys have a lesser brain activity than a dead squirrel and they pump their bodies so full with horse hormones and other **** that they actually start to whinny during an orgasm! I also think that you need a master degree in English if you are going to understand what that strange noise that is coming out from their mouths is or be very good at guessing.........I guess! I mean Jerry Springer? Those guys have a lesser brain activity than a dead squirrel and I don�t mean the silly people that are being paid to do the silly things they do at stage. I mean the silly audience (which is approximately 2/3 of USA�s population). Why do they start yelling Jerry Jerry every time their is a fight going on? And what hilariously stupid comments they make all the time! USA is the only country were they actually have a �comedy show� about the silly talkshows.( ever heard of the Dick Dietrick show?) USA isn�t bad, it just that it is turning out to be one big amusement park! your faithful..... Ambro2000
JohnIII	posted 07-10-99 08:01 AM ET Sorry to disappoint you Tolls, but I can only go once a year, one of the benefits of having lots of cricket-obsessed teachers John III
Krushala	posted 07-10-99 12:22 PM ET actually we have talk soup to make fun of talk shows. Anyway no more fights on jerry. So maybe stupid people will stop chanting jerry! jerry!. Believe it or not there actually some americans that are mature. I'm probably not one of them though.
Dreadnought	posted 07-10-99 12:48 PM ET I have a feeling once the take the fights off of the show, it will start to become less popular. The only reason I've ever seen that damn show is bocuase where I used to live in St. Louis, it was on right before my favorite show, Late Night with Conan O'Brain. I decided to see what all of the hoopla was all about. I think just by watching it my IQ decreased by about 3 points..... Ambro, you are very much right about those idiotic audience members. "Girlfriend, you need to kick that man to the curb! Ditch that zero, and getyourself a hero!" And for some reason, no matter how little sense the comment makes, the rest of the audience never fails to appluad. Oh and BTW, to anyone who knows what I'm talking about, how did those Jerry Springer court trials turn out? _________________________ Dreadnought- acting president of the AUWM, Associated Union of Wookie Mechanics. "This one goes there, that one goes there!"
Timexwatch	posted 07-10-99 09:07 PM ET About the football crack Shining, our ladies just got the World Cup, so....at least half of us can play
JohnIII	posted 07-11-99 05:00 AM ET What World Cup? It's in 2002, isn't it? And why would you enter your women instead of the men? John III
M_ashwell	posted 07-11-99 05:28 PM ET ok ok i apologise its just on that paticular day an american tourist nearly cost me my job and i was a little bitter ok. to the two self admitied petie people so I cant spell, SUE me ok thats about it bye
The Great Tawdal	posted 07-11-99 06:37 PM ET Damn it, nobody respects the mighty beaver anymore.
MangoBreeder	posted 07-13-99 06:02 AM ET The reason America sucks is that your all so stuck up. It annoys me how America only spends 23.2% of its total tax income on social welfare but a whopping 32.7% on the military. Were the armed forces in america only employ an fraction of the people who acutally need welfare. In glorious sunny britannia we only spend 12.4% of our budget on the armed forces with a whopping 45% on Social spending, Not to mention our links with the EU and the Commonwealth which make us an ideal trading center. Laterz MangoBreeder
Spoe	posted 07-13-99 01:29 PM ET M_ashwell: "...american tourist nearly cost me my job..." What'd this tourist do?
M_ashwell	posted 07-13-99 02:26 PM ET ok heres the story i was folding my shirts at work (i work for madhouse so ne1 in england may visit me) this person came up to me and asked me where the nearest phone was . I told him 100 meters that way on the left about 5 minuits later he came back and told me that they arnt there. NOW I WORK there i'm sure i know the layout of the place anyway i told him that they are there he shouted that they wern't my manager came up and asked me what the problem was without waiting for me the american person plowed in throwing abuse at me and then left my manager threw his nut and nearly sacked me Fin
Krushala	posted 07-13-99 06:29 PM ET Why does it annoy you what america does with it's money if you don't live here. I think it was the other dislike america thread that walruskkkch pointed out that the federal goverment was not created for social programs. It was mainly designed for to maintain the armed forces to guard against invasion. All social programs should rest on the states. Not being from here you might not know how state goverments work and how they used to work. They used to be very powerful. But the federal goverment felt they weren't doing their job in the 30's and instituted massive social reforms which some called socialist (not me though). Considering that the entire planet hates us we need to maintain such a large military except for the army. Local programs are more effective for social reform. Poor people in alaska aren't the same as poor people in mississippi.
Krushala	posted 07-13-99 06:32 PM ET And british people are just as arrogant as americans. I admit we are arrogant. But that's because we got it from the English. What do you expect from nations that were the most powerful on the planet.