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CrayonX posted 06-09-99 01:58 PM ET
Is it worth it? Should I take courses or learn on my own (i.e. buy the training package) and just take the exams?
Am I talking to the right people?
CrayonX posted 06-09-99 02:01 PM ET
D'oh! I meant MCSE!
(Apologies to the Modern Subspace Cryogenic Entities)
Wraith posted 06-09-99 05:33 PM ET
Hail,
I'm about half-way through my MCSE (and, incidentally, my CNE), and I haven't gone to a class yet, and don't plan to. You almost don't even need the training "packages". If you have a copy of NT server (or can get one), you really only need the Exam Cram books and some practice tests (I'd recommend the Transcenders). It's certainly worth getting, simply cause employers are more willing to give more money to someone who's certified. However, in skill terms, it's almost worthless. It's a very watered down point-and-click sort of testing.
Wraith
It's trivial to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a god to make them do anything useful.
Spoe posted 06-09-99 05:41 PM ET
"...it's trivial to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a god to make them do anything useful."
And this, boys and girls, is known as 'job security'.
Dark Nexus posted 06-09-99 06:07 PM ET
It's not worth it. It's all but worthless, according to people in the computer industry.
"Kentucy Fried Education" is the term I believe.
CrayonX posted 06-09-99 06:14 PM ET
I suppose my main motivation would be job security and the mucho dineros part. Apparently its the "thing to do" around here on the West Coast. I'd rather not go to classes becuase of time constraints and also that they are a rip-off (I'm not paying $14,000 Canadian for 6 months of point-and-click learning).
Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming. Anyone else?
Spoe posted 06-09-99 07:29 PM ET
"It's all but worthless"
Unless management doesn't ask its systems people about hiring decisions. But would you really want to work at such a place?
It'll impress the PHBs and maybe get your foot in the door some places, but won't get you anywhere with the actual systems people.
Mainly it's resume padding(similar to the A+ cert) and the _very_ first line of weeding.
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Author	Topic: MSCE Certification
CrayonX	posted 06-09-99 01:58 PM ET Is it worth it? Should I take courses or learn on my own (i.e. buy the training package) and just take the exams? Am I talking to the right people?
CrayonX	posted 06-09-99 02:01 PM ET D'oh! I meant MCSE! (Apologies to the Modern Subspace Cryogenic Entities)
Wraith	posted 06-09-99 05:33 PM ET Hail, I'm about half-way through my MCSE (and, incidentally, my CNE), and I haven't gone to a class yet, and don't plan to. You almost don't even need the training "packages". If you have a copy of NT server (or can get one), you really only need the Exam Cram books and some practice tests (I'd recommend the Transcenders). It's certainly worth getting, simply cause employers are more willing to give more money to someone who's certified. However, in skill terms, it's almost worthless. It's a very watered down point-and-click sort of testing. Wraith It's trivial to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a god to make them do anything useful.
Spoe	posted 06-09-99 05:41 PM ET "...it's trivial to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a god to make them do anything useful." And this, boys and girls, is known as 'job security'.
Dark Nexus	posted 06-09-99 06:07 PM ET It's not worth it. It's all but worthless, according to people in the computer industry. "Kentucy Fried Education" is the term I believe.
CrayonX	posted 06-09-99 06:14 PM ET I suppose my main motivation would be job security and the mucho dineros part. Apparently its the "thing to do" around here on the West Coast. I'd rather not go to classes becuase of time constraints and also that they are a rip-off (I'm not paying $14,000 Canadian for 6 months of point-and-click learning). Thanks for the feedback, keep it coming. Anyone else?
Spoe	posted 06-09-99 07:29 PM ET "It's all but worthless" Unless management doesn't ask its systems people about hiring decisions. But would you really want to work at such a place? It'll impress the PHBs and maybe get your foot in the door some places, but won't get you anywhere with the actual systems people. Mainly it's resume padding(similar to the A+ cert) and the _very_ first line of weeding.