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Bishop posted 06-03-99 05:44 PM ET
I�ve just installed IE 5, cause i heard it would be a lot faster and better graphics and yada,yada,yada. No way ! The graphics look like sh*t, it�s still the same old Microsoft crap !!
Bishop
Go Netscape !
Ambro2000 posted 06-03-99 05:48 PM ET
Just be glad you didn't install the beta version of ie5 I had it for a couple of months and I can promise you that surfing the net has never been as hard as it was then

Ambro2000
Bishop posted 06-03-99 05:55 PM ET
I belive you, I�ll remove this piece of sh*t as soon as I�ve written this message. With my luck it will probably crash the hard drive and everything in it, like IE 4 did when I uninstalled it a few months ago
Bishop
Die Bill Gates, die !
Valtyr posted 06-03-99 06:00 PM ET
What are the alternatives to Internet Exploder and Netcrap? Just curious.
Spoe posted 06-03-99 06:04 PM ET
So it looks like what it is?
As for alternatives, the big one is Opera, from a Scandanavian company, too, IIRC.
TheHelperMonkey posted 06-03-99 07:08 PM ET
IE5 is a lot better than netscape. If you visit a webpage a lot of times, it will automatically load all the stuff that was there before making at really fast to surf the web. Also, on my comp it takes literally 30 seconds for all the netscape apps to load, it only takes 5 seconds for IE5.
Which versiondid you d/l, international or US?
Titan posted 06-03-99 07:13 PM ET
Bishop, you are a follower of the evil Microsoft empire as we are all. See my post in NIM as Bill Gates sees it.
Titan.
Spoe posted 06-03-99 07:52 PM ET
TheHelperMonkey:
Both do that. It's called a cache(or in MS-speak, Temporary Internet Files).
Personally, I find Netscape _much_ more stable, particularly from a tech support standpoint. Sheesh, the problems I have people call up with using IE. Stuff I never hear from Netscape users.
Plasmoid posted 06-03-99 07:56 PM ET
For those of you that say IE loads MUCH faster than netscape consider this.
IE(4/5) is already running at start-up. So just draw the window and your set.
Khan Singh posted 06-03-99 08:00 PM ET
IE5 has a few annoying habits and doesn't look as good as Navigator, but it is much faster than either IE4 or Navigator. I even uninstalled Netscape after a few days with IE5. I miss the personal toolbar, but the whole Communicator package just sucked up too much HD space (I had to install Thief). The next Navigator version will probably rock though.
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-04-99 12:14 AM ET
IE5 has big stability problems in Win98 compared with IE4 - I find many more instances of freezes and hangs and GPF in explorer.exe and user.exe, even when doing next to nothing.
And I've been doing serious app development, etc. far longer than microstupid. (23 years) It is faster when it runs, but definitely less reliable.
Hugo Rune posted 06-04-99 03:25 AM ET
IE5 might look crap, but it certainly grows on you. The ability to download all the files related to a page, whole nets, the new auto-complete feature, the speed, I like it.
Hugo Rune posted 06-04-99 03:28 AM ET
MTG: IE5 has some stability problems, but it crashes far less than IE4 did.
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-04-99 03:58 AM ET
Hugo - once I had all the updates to IE4, it literally never crashed on any of the three systems I have. IE5 crashes or hangs on me at least 2 times a day, and it's the only app I currently have any problems with. No doubt over time, the update patches will trickle out, but I'm still glad it's not something anyone ahs to actually pay for - the trouble with the browser wars is that with nothing but giveaway product, there is no market incentive to really radically improve and extend the browser.
Hugo Rune posted 06-04-99 04:03 AM ET
Ok. I might have had a different version of IE4, but I'm sure it crashed on me at least twice a day. IE5 hangs sometimes, which IE4 never did, but it's so rare it is negligable.
Bishop posted 06-04-99 05:45 AM ET
It�s Murphys law alright, when I started my computer this morning it said something like "there�s a missing file in the windows subcatalogue /iosubsys can not load W95". Sure as hell I had to reinstall W95 Arrrggghhh !! And now I can�t even uninstall IE5, thrice damned be Microsoft ! AAArrrrggghh x2, now I�ll have to format the entire HD again damn, damn,damn.
Bishop
more than a little agitated
PS TheHelperMonkey, I use the Swedish version.
MikeH II posted 06-04-99 06:28 AM ET
I have IE 5 and Netscape 4.6 and they both have their problems but I use IE for day to day stuff. It's more user freindly than Netscape and has more features. Plus I had horrible trouble with Netscape 4.5 not shutting down all it's threads when you ran multiple windows. Seems to be fixed in 4.6 as far as I can tell.
I've got no pro-Microsoft feeling but in this case they seem to have a better product. IMHO
Cameleon posted 06-04-99 06:51 AM ET
Just wait for the next Netscape with the Gecko engine. They say it will be very small, stable and fast. Not like the big suckers web browsers are today.
Khan Singh posted 06-04-99 08:24 AM ET
I have fewer crashs with 5 than I did with 4, but with 5 the menus go haywire frequently (strange colors, no bookmark names) and multiple windowing is kind of screwy. And taking out the Preview Print menu item puzzles me. But almost everything else works better and faster than 4.
jig posted 06-04-99 09:37 AM ET
I used to use Netscape exclusively but now I'm not so sure. It seems like Netscape will have to work hard to catch up with IE, especially when it comes to CSS. And rumour has it that NN5 won't be much different to NN4 in terms of reading pages with CSS.
It's annoying when you design a beautifully rendered webpage using CSS only to find out that it won't look nearly as beautiful in Netscape.
Imran Siddiqui posted 06-04-99 02:21 PM ET
I love IE 5.0. I have Netscape on my computer, but I never use it. IE is just faster, and IMNSHO better.
Imran Siddiqui
Kyle posted 06-05-99 08:23 PM ET
Amazing. I used IE5 beta for quite a long time. Never had any crashes. I've been using IE5 final, never had any crashes.
I was forced to use Netscape at work, and it's garbage. It lacks many good features that IE5 has.
Go Internet Explorer.
Picker posted 06-06-99 01:13 AM ET
I hate Internet Explorer(all of them) and my goal in life is to put bill gates out of business.
Denny "I obviously have an unbiased opinion" Pick
Dreadnought posted 06-06-99 01:17 AM ET
I tried to get IE 5 on my comp, but when i d/led it, I get this message, "Internet Explorer 5 is not a valiad Win.32 application" or something like that.
Any advice on what might be going wrong for me?
Ambro2000 posted 06-06-99 07:42 PM ET
I've never had any crashes with ie5 either nor with the beta version. One off the problems with the beta version was that when I tried to write a long message for instance at this forum the hole page scrolled down and after a while and I couldn't see what I was typing anymore.
This have luckely been fixed in the final version though..

Ambro2000/B>
TheHelperMonkey posted 06-06-99 08:45 PM ET
Bishop, I think some of the features of the American versions are left out in the international ones.
OhWell posted 06-07-99 10:27 AM ET
Bishop,
Sorry to hear about your problems with IE5. Perhaps I can be of assistance.
You problems with speed and graphics are actually hardware related; For best performance you system should be equipped with the �Static Computer RAM Enhanced Web Engine Definition� or SCREWED. So, if you are having performance problems with IE5, Microsoft recommends that you go get SCREWED. If your system is already SCREWED, you need to upgrade to SCREWU2 for use with Netscape Navigator.
If you are having problems using IE5, you need �Special High Intensity Training� or ****. So, if you do not understand how to use IE5, you have to take **** from Microsoft.
Hope this helps...
Bishop posted 06-07-99 12:02 PM ET
LOL
Bishop
threeover posted 06-07-99 01:48 PM ET
I wonder, do people hate IE5 because of Bill or because it really sucks? I ain't trying to defend my boss, by any means, hell no. Hell, all I care about is my baby (a.k.a winnt) To add even more to irony, majority of the people in our division use the "other" browser.
Anyway, have you guys seen NeoPlanet, looks pretty good, works like crap though.
Picker posted 06-07-99 01:49 PM ET
I will kill Bill Gates, and eat his ones.
Picker posted 06-07-99 01:49 PM ET
bones
OhWell posted 06-07-99 01:59 PM ET
I will admit that I have never had any problems with IE. My prior post was more of a joke than an actual comment on my feelings about Microsoft products in general. I use many products from Microsoft (Office, Visual Studio, Visual C++, Windows NT/95, Access, SQLServer etc.) and find that they generally work very well. Microsoft is a big target and it is fun to throw stones at them, but in reality I feel that they are doing a good job and their products are Ok. (Go ahead and flame away!)
Picker posted 06-07-99 02:01 PM ET
I love microsoft products(except IE). I just don't like bill gates.
Ambro2000 posted 06-07-99 03:07 PM ET
Microsofts products are very userfriendly. The thing about microsoft however is that they allow more bugs than any other software manufactor in the world. (well except many game manufactors ). They don't want to spend those extra millions to do that little extra boring bug test.

AMbro2000
Spoe posted 06-07-99 03:27 PM ET
I dunno, maybe it's me, but when I'm forced to use IE I generally disable all the 'features'(such as "Search from Address Bar"; I hate that) I can. They mostly just get in my way.
----
At work, we've repeatedly experienced crashes (on a number of machines) with IE 5 that have taken down the whole OS, even when "Lauch browser windows in a separate process" is enabled; we don't haver this problem with Netscape.
JohnIII posted 06-07-99 03:30 PM ET
Opera is quite good, but you have to pay, so I use IE.
John III
OhWell posted 06-07-99 03:34 PM ET
A2K,
I�m not really convinced that Microsoft products actually have more bugs. I think you do hear a lot more about their bugs because of that �big target� thing and more people are using their products. I do use a lot of non-Microsoft products too, and I have seen some very annoying bugs in lots of tools. Bugs that have been in at least four point releases and are still not fixed! At least Microsoft will fix a bug when they know about it. They aren�t perfect, but they are not nearly as bad as many people lead you to believe.
Spoe posted 06-07-99 03:47 PM ET
It's not so much bugs for me; it's the interface. I don't like the dumbed down attempt at an interface for the LCD(Lowest Common Denominator not Liquid Crystal Display, to bring in another thread) that even fails at this. Strangely, my tech support job was easier before Windows 95 when a sizeable portion of our users were using MS-DOS. Why? Now 75+% of my calls involve teaching people how to use a mouse and where to find the "Start" button. This is much harder than telling people what to type and results in more repeat calls.
OhWell posted 06-07-99 03:59 PM ET
Spoe,
I was never that thrilled with the Win9x interface either. But everybody dumped on MS �cause �The Win3.1 UI sucks and the Mac UI was cool. IMHO The Win3.1/DOS UI was fine. One of the problems with Tech-Support is that the Win9x UI can be �customized�
Bishop posted 06-07-99 06:34 PM ET
IE wreaks havoc with the system, NN does not that�s the way it is (on my computer at least). I�ve never had problems with booting the system when I�ve used NN, with IE it�s a different story alltogether (system files go missing, requesting existing .sys-files while booting, etc. etc.)IE is CRAP !!
Bishop
Imran Siddiqui posted 06-07-99 06:43 PM ET
As Spoe can tell ya, NScape has never been close to my heart, and I've been a backer of Microsoft and even (gasp) Bill Gates. I like IE, it is the only thing I use anymore.
Imran Siddiqui
Ambro2000 posted 06-07-99 06:53 PM ET
Actually they tested it to see which company had the most and least bugs in their work. NASA for some obvius reason won(don't want something messy happen while you're in space) and microsoft lost. Most people don't ever notice those bugs though.....
I unfortunally don't have the URL anymore to the site were i got this information. it was being made for about a year ago.
Ambro2000
Mcerion posted 06-10-99 07:13 AM ET
My 2�. IE5 is blazingly fast on my PC. Also my Q2 games over the HEAT net are now faster and far more stable.
OhWell posted 06-10-99 07:52 AM ET
A2K,
which company had the most and least bugs in their work
Do you recall their unit measure for bugs? Like bugs/program, bugs/ line of code etc?
threeover posted 06-14-99 10:12 AM ET
Again, I'm not trying to defend my boss...
Yeah, we might have th most "bugged" software, but compare how many software packages does NASA and Microsoft realease?
Picker posted 06-14-99 10:24 AM ET
I will kill Bill Gates, and eat his bones.
threeover posted 06-14-99 10:31 AM ET
picker,
I would really like to see that
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Author	*Topic: IE 5 looks like sht**
Bishop	posted 06-03-99 05:44 PM ET I�ve just installed IE 5, cause i heard it would be a lot faster and better graphics and yada,yada,yada. No way ! The graphics look like sh*t, it�s still the same old Microsoft crap !! Bishop Go Netscape !
Ambro2000	posted 06-03-99 05:48 PM ET Just be glad you didn't install the beta version of ie5 I had it for a couple of months and I can promise you that surfing the net has never been as hard as it was then Ambro2000
Bishop	posted 06-03-99 05:55 PM ET I belive you, I�ll remove this piece of sh*t as soon as I�ve written this message. With my luck it will probably crash the hard drive and everything in it, like IE 4 did when I uninstalled it a few months ago Bishop Die Bill Gates, die !
Valtyr	posted 06-03-99 06:00 PM ET What are the alternatives to Internet Exploder and Netcrap? Just curious.
Spoe	posted 06-03-99 06:04 PM ET So it looks like what it is? As for alternatives, the big one is Opera, from a Scandanavian company, too, IIRC.
TheHelperMonkey	posted 06-03-99 07:08 PM ET IE5 is a lot better than netscape. If you visit a webpage a lot of times, it will automatically load all the stuff that was there before making at really fast to surf the web. Also, on my comp it takes literally 30 seconds for all the netscape apps to load, it only takes 5 seconds for IE5. Which versiondid you d/l, international or US?
Titan	posted 06-03-99 07:13 PM ET Bishop, you are a follower of the evil Microsoft empire as we are all. See my post in NIM as Bill Gates sees it. Titan.
Spoe	posted 06-03-99 07:52 PM ET TheHelperMonkey: Both do that. It's called a cache(or in MS-speak, Temporary Internet Files). Personally, I find Netscape _much_ more stable, particularly from a tech support standpoint. Sheesh, the problems I have people call up with using IE. Stuff I never hear from Netscape users.
Plasmoid	posted 06-03-99 07:56 PM ET For those of you that say IE loads MUCH faster than netscape consider this. IE(4/5) is already running at start-up. So just draw the window and your set.
Khan Singh	posted 06-03-99 08:00 PM ET IE5 has a few annoying habits and doesn't look as good as Navigator, but it is much faster than either IE4 or Navigator. I even uninstalled Netscape after a few days with IE5. I miss the personal toolbar, but the whole Communicator package just sucked up too much HD space (I had to install Thief). The next Navigator version will probably rock though.
MichaeltheGreat	posted 06-04-99 12:14 AM ET IE5 has big stability problems in Win98 compared with IE4 - I find many more instances of freezes and hangs and GPF in explorer.exe and user.exe, even when doing next to nothing. And I've been doing serious app development, etc. far longer than microstupid. (23 years) It is faster when it runs, but definitely less reliable.
Hugo Rune	posted 06-04-99 03:25 AM ET IE5 might look crap, but it certainly grows on you. The ability to download all the files related to a page, whole nets, the new auto-complete feature, the speed, I like it.
Hugo Rune	posted 06-04-99 03:28 AM ET MTG: IE5 has some stability problems, but it crashes far less than IE4 did.
MichaeltheGreat	posted 06-04-99 03:58 AM ET Hugo - once I had all the updates to IE4, it literally never crashed on any of the three systems I have. IE5 crashes or hangs on me at least 2 times a day, and it's the only app I currently have any problems with. No doubt over time, the update patches will trickle out, but I'm still glad it's not something anyone ahs to actually pay for - the trouble with the browser wars is that with nothing but giveaway product, there is no market incentive to really radically improve and extend the browser.
Hugo Rune	posted 06-04-99 04:03 AM ET Ok. I might have had a different version of IE4, but I'm sure it crashed on me at least twice a day. IE5 hangs sometimes, which IE4 never did, but it's so rare it is negligable.
Bishop	posted 06-04-99 05:45 AM ET It�s Murphys law alright, when I started my computer this morning it said something like "there�s a missing file in the windows subcatalogue /iosubsys can not load W95". Sure as hell I had to reinstall W95 Arrrggghhh !! And now I can�t even uninstall IE5, thrice damned be Microsoft ! AAArrrrggghh x2, now I�ll have to format the entire HD again damn, damn,damn. Bishop more than a little agitated PS TheHelperMonkey, I use the Swedish version.
MikeH II	posted 06-04-99 06:28 AM ET I have IE 5 and Netscape 4.6 and they both have their problems but I use IE for day to day stuff. It's more user freindly than Netscape and has more features. Plus I had horrible trouble with Netscape 4.5 not shutting down all it's threads when you ran multiple windows. Seems to be fixed in 4.6 as far as I can tell. I've got no pro-Microsoft feeling but in this case they seem to have a better product. IMHO
Cameleon	posted 06-04-99 06:51 AM ET Just wait for the next Netscape with the Gecko engine. They say it will be very small, stable and fast. Not like the big suckers web browsers are today.
Khan Singh	posted 06-04-99 08:24 AM ET I have fewer crashs with 5 than I did with 4, but with 5 the menus go haywire frequently (strange colors, no bookmark names) and multiple windowing is kind of screwy. And taking out the Preview Print menu item puzzles me. But almost everything else works better and faster than 4.
jig	posted 06-04-99 09:37 AM ET I used to use Netscape exclusively but now I'm not so sure. It seems like Netscape will have to work hard to catch up with IE, especially when it comes to CSS. And rumour has it that NN5 won't be much different to NN4 in terms of reading pages with CSS. It's annoying when you design a beautifully rendered webpage using CSS only to find out that it won't look nearly as beautiful in Netscape.
Imran Siddiqui	posted 06-04-99 02:21 PM ET I love IE 5.0. I have Netscape on my computer, but I never use it. IE is just faster, and IMNSHO better. Imran Siddiqui
Kyle	posted 06-05-99 08:23 PM ET Amazing. I used IE5 beta for quite a long time. Never had any crashes. I've been using IE5 final, never had any crashes. I was forced to use Netscape at work, and it's garbage. It lacks many good features that IE5 has. Go Internet Explorer.
Picker	posted 06-06-99 01:13 AM ET I hate Internet Explorer(all of them) and my goal in life is to put bill gates out of business. Denny "I obviously have an unbiased opinion" Pick
Dreadnought	posted 06-06-99 01:17 AM ET I tried to get IE 5 on my comp, but when i d/led it, I get this message, "Internet Explorer 5 is not a valiad Win.32 application" or something like that. Any advice on what might be going wrong for me?
Ambro2000	posted 06-06-99 07:42 PM ET I've never had any crashes with ie5 either nor with the beta version. One off the problems with the beta version was that when I tried to write a long message for instance at this forum the hole page scrolled down and after a while and I couldn't see what I was typing anymore. This have luckely been fixed in the final version though.. Ambro2000/B>
TheHelperMonkey	posted 06-06-99 08:45 PM ET Bishop, I think some of the features of the American versions are left out in the international ones.
OhWell	posted 06-07-99 10:27 AM ET Bishop, Sorry to hear about your problems with IE5. Perhaps I can be of assistance. You problems with speed and graphics are actually hardware related; For best performance you system should be equipped with the �Static Computer RAM Enhanced Web Engine Definition� or SCREWED. So, if you are having performance problems with IE5, Microsoft recommends that you go get SCREWED. If your system is already SCREWED, you need to upgrade to SCREWU2 for use with Netscape Navigator. If you are having problems using IE5, you need �Special High Intensity Training� or **. So, if you do not understand how to use IE5, you have to take ** from Microsoft. Hope this helps...
Bishop	posted 06-07-99 12:02 PM ET LOL Bishop
threeover	posted 06-07-99 01:48 PM ET I wonder, do people hate IE5 because of Bill or because it really sucks? I ain't trying to defend my boss, by any means, hell no. Hell, all I care about is my baby (a.k.a winnt) To add even more to irony, majority of the people in our division use the "other" browser. Anyway, have you guys seen NeoPlanet, looks pretty good, works like crap though.
Picker	posted 06-07-99 01:49 PM ET I will kill Bill Gates, and eat his ones.
Picker	posted 06-07-99 01:49 PM ET bones
OhWell	posted 06-07-99 01:59 PM ET I will admit that I have never had any problems with IE. My prior post was more of a joke than an actual comment on my feelings about Microsoft products in general. I use many products from Microsoft (Office, Visual Studio, Visual C++, Windows NT/95, Access, SQLServer etc.) and find that they generally work very well. Microsoft is a big target and it is fun to throw stones at them, but in reality I feel that they are doing a good job and their products are Ok. (Go ahead and flame away!)
Picker	posted 06-07-99 02:01 PM ET I love microsoft products(except IE). I just don't like bill gates.
Ambro2000	posted 06-07-99 03:07 PM ET Microsofts products are very userfriendly. The thing about microsoft however is that they allow more bugs than any other software manufactor in the world. (well except many game manufactors ). They don't want to spend those extra millions to do that little extra boring bug test. AMbro2000
Spoe	posted 06-07-99 03:27 PM ET I dunno, maybe it's me, but when I'm forced to use IE I generally disable all the 'features'(such as "Search from Address Bar"; I hate that) I can. They mostly just get in my way. ---- At work, we've repeatedly experienced crashes (on a number of machines) with IE 5 that have taken down the whole OS, even when "Lauch browser windows in a separate process" is enabled; we don't haver this problem with Netscape.
JohnIII	posted 06-07-99 03:30 PM ET Opera is quite good, but you have to pay, so I use IE. John III
OhWell	posted 06-07-99 03:34 PM ET A2K, I�m not really convinced that Microsoft products actually have more bugs. I think you do hear a lot more about their bugs because of that �big target� thing and more people are using their products. I do use a lot of non-Microsoft products too, and I have seen some very annoying bugs in lots of tools. Bugs that have been in at least four point releases and are still not fixed! At least Microsoft will fix a bug when they know about it. They aren�t perfect, but they are not nearly as bad as many people lead you to believe.
Spoe	posted 06-07-99 03:47 PM ET It's not so much bugs for me; it's the interface. I don't like the dumbed down attempt at an interface for the LCD(Lowest Common Denominator not Liquid Crystal Display, to bring in another thread) that even fails at this. Strangely, my tech support job was easier before Windows 95 when a sizeable portion of our users were using MS-DOS. Why? Now 75+% of my calls involve teaching people how to use a mouse and where to find the "Start" button. This is much harder than telling people what to type and results in more repeat calls.
OhWell	posted 06-07-99 03:59 PM ET Spoe, I was never that thrilled with the Win9x interface either. But everybody dumped on MS �cause �The Win3.1 UI sucks and the Mac UI was cool. IMHO The Win3.1/DOS UI was fine. One of the problems with Tech-Support is that the Win9x UI can be �customized�
Bishop	posted 06-07-99 06:34 PM ET IE wreaks havoc with the system, NN does not that�s the way it is (on my computer at least). I�ve never had problems with booting the system when I�ve used NN, with IE it�s a different story alltogether (system files go missing, requesting existing .sys-files while booting, etc. etc.)IE is CRAP !! Bishop
Imran Siddiqui	posted 06-07-99 06:43 PM ET As Spoe can tell ya, NScape has never been close to my heart, and I've been a backer of Microsoft and even (gasp) Bill Gates. I like IE, it is the only thing I use anymore. Imran Siddiqui
Ambro2000	posted 06-07-99 06:53 PM ET Actually they tested it to see which company had the most and least bugs in their work. NASA for some obvius reason won(don't want something messy happen while you're in space) and microsoft lost. Most people don't ever notice those bugs though..... I unfortunally don't have the URL anymore to the site were i got this information. it was being made for about a year ago. Ambro2000
Mcerion	posted 06-10-99 07:13 AM ET My 2�. IE5 is blazingly fast on my PC. Also my Q2 games over the HEAT net are now faster and far more stable.
OhWell	posted 06-10-99 07:52 AM ET A2K, which company had the most and least bugs in their work Do you recall their unit measure for bugs? Like bugs/program, bugs/ line of code etc?
threeover	posted 06-14-99 10:12 AM ET Again, I'm not trying to defend my boss... Yeah, we might have th most "bugged" software, but compare how many software packages does NASA and Microsoft realease?
Picker	posted 06-14-99 10:24 AM ET I will kill Bill Gates, and eat his bones.
threeover	posted 06-14-99 10:31 AM ET picker, I would really like to see that