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Famous Eccles posted 06-03-99 02:18 PM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for Famous Eccles   Click Here to Email Famous Eccles  
I know about the cold, and the carbon dioxide, but would the pressure difference cause you to 'pop',would your blood boil or something else?
I am interested....
Famous Eccles posted 06-03-99 02:20 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Famous Eccles  Click Here to Email Famous Eccles     
your suit sorry. I am so stupid when I am sober
Ambro2000 posted 06-03-99 03:18 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Ambro2000  Click Here to Email Ambro2000     
Haven't you seen Total Recall??

Ambro2000

CarniveaN posted 06-03-99 03:49 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CarniveaN  Click Here to Email CarniveaN     
well... one thing is for certain, no matter how you look at it, you'd be dead

Carny

MichaeltheGreat posted 06-03-99 04:51 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MichaeltheGreat  Click Here to Email MichaeltheGreat     
Due to the low atmospheric pressure, your blood and body fluids would boil extremely rapidly - not a pleasant way to go, and many of your cell walls would be torn appart, so you'd be a real ugly mush. Not anything anyone would want to have to scrape up.
1212 posted 06-04-99 12:10 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for 1212  Click Here to Email 1212     
i think youd have a hot 1 minute to live after the rip. your blood would be sticking out the veins and would pop. be a bloody mess.
MichaeltheGreat posted 06-04-99 12:19 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MichaeltheGreat  Click Here to Email MichaeltheGreat     
1212 - in a vacuum or near vacuum, not even a minute - all water bearing tissues would be affected, so about everything except dental enamel - the near instant destruction of electrolyte balance and other biochemical activity would rapidly cause a cessation of brain function, since synapse firing would go crazy, then static out and stop. It only would depend on the nature of the rip in the suit - i.e. how much of the body was exposed how rapidly. I'm assuming we're not talking about a pinhole in a pinky.
BKrani posted 06-04-99 01:56 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for BKrani  Click Here to Email BKrani     
G'day

Here's a quote from the Urban Legends web site at: http://www.urbanlegends.com/death/bodies_explode_in_space.html

It's refering to decompression in outer-space, but I'd believe that the effects would be much more mild on Mars. Probably you'd slowly suffocate to death.


HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE

If you *don't* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury.
Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll
have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm --
that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not
freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.

Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and
underlying tissue) start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate.
After perhaps one or two minutes, you're dying. The limits are not really known.

MichaeltheGreat posted 06-04-99 02:25 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MichaeltheGreat  Click Here to Email MichaeltheGreat     
The atmospheric pressure on Mars is less than one percent that of earth, so near vacuum. The boiling point of water in a vacuum is far lower than your body temperature. Your body is mostly water. Your blood and other tissues have major amounts of dissolved gases in them.

Explosive decompression - what happens in going from a pressurized space suit or cabin to exposure to space, which is generally either very hot or very cold, is a hell of a lot different than a controlled reduction of pressure in a room temperature environment.

"Possibly" the bends? I'm a certified SCUBA divemaster/master & rescue diver with over 800 logged dives - don't even count 'em anymore. You'd have the worst kind of case of the bends you could imagine - the body is much more sensitive to pressure changes, and the worst rate of pressure change conceivably possible in SCUBA is nowhere near the rate of pressure differential from an explosive decompression event in space.

Unless they are talking about a relatively small breach of a space suit - say a ripped glove or elbow, that is quickly mitigated, the Urban legends article is full of ****.
BTW, my background's in physics. It's all a function of Delta P and Delta T.

Except for the brutality inflicted on the animal, I'd like to see the idiot who wrote that article watch a live test of an explosive decompression event. Most tests that have been done have been concerned with micrometeoroid impacts on space vehicles - space suits are real hard to tear - they're hard to do anything in, but they would be amazing to tear through, since there are so many layers.

MichaeltheGreat posted 06-04-99 02:29 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MichaeltheGreat  Click Here to Email MichaeltheGreat     
The above mentioned tests re micrometeriod impacts were based on the idea that there would be a rapid, but gradual loss of pressure, with the vehicle crew working to stabilize and contain the breach, and then gradually repressure the cabin. So the tests done have been based around that much milder scenario, with the idea of figuring out how much time the crew would realistically have to seal the breach, and the physiological tradeoffs in the rate of repressuring the atmosphere.
BKrani posted 06-04-99 02:45 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for BKrani  Click Here to Email BKrani     
Here's another good reference:
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a10621.html

...To experience the vacuum is to die, but not quite in the gristly manner portrayed in the popular movies Total Recall
and Outland. The truth of the matter seems to be closer to what Stanley Kubrik had in mind in 2001: A Space
Odyssey.

According to the McGraw/Hill Encyclopedia of Space, when animals are subjected to explosive decompression to a
vacuum-like state, they do not suddenly balloon-up or have their eyes pop out of their heads. It is, in fact, virtually
impossible to compress or expand organic tissues in this way. Instead, death arises from the response of the free
gasses trapped within the tissues. If decompression takes 1/2 second or longer, even lung tissue remains intact.
When the ambient pressure falls below 47 millimeters of mercury, about 1/20 the atmospheric pressure at sea level,
the water inside all tissues passes into a vapour state beginning at the skin surface. This causes the collapse of
surface cells and the loss of hugh amounts of body heat via evaporation. After six seconds, the process of cell
collapse involves the heart and lungs causing circulatory interruption, followed by acute anoxia, convulsions and the
relaxation of the bowel muscles. Yes, that's right. If you take your helmet off in space, within less than a minute
your suit may fill up with fecal matter. After 15 seconds, mental confusion sets-in, and after 20 seconds you become
unconscious. You can survive this for about 80 seconds if a pressure higher than about 47 millimeters of mercury is
then reestablished.

....

To me, this 'feels' right. I'm not an expert any any way of form. Any qualified dive instructor would have a much better insight into decompressive situations than myself (kudos to MtG) but I can't imaging any body being subjected to the stresses required to make it violently explode as commonly protrayed in the media. However, I'd expect something like the bends to be the very MILDEST symptoms to any exposure to low pressures for any more than a couple of seconds. BTW, my sister's a barometric nurse, and I seen some sufferers of decompressive related injuries. Even if this is the mildest symptoms, the experience would be ... unpleasant!

Tolls posted 06-04-99 05:25 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Tolls  Click Here to Email Tolls     
Well, Joe Kittinger sprung a leak in his right hand glove on his way to the highest parachute jump (20 miles up)...I think he suffered bruising, his ciculation pretty much stopped...he got away with it, though, and he was at a lower pressure than Mars.
It all depends how severe, and where, the leak is.
Hugo Rune posted 06-04-99 06:10 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Hugo Rune  Click Here to Email Hugo Rune     
I say spontaneous combustion.

It's all due to the trans-perambulation of pseudo-cosmic anti-matter.

Cameleon posted 06-04-99 06:55 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Cameleon  Click Here to Email Cameleon     
But you can pervent spontaneous combustion if you use the grand unified theory of moderation. (South Park anyone )
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Saras posted 06-04-99 10:21 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Saras  Click Here to Email Saras     
Sorry guys, I'm going crazy.
Saras posted 06-04-99 10:27 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Saras  Click Here to Email Saras     
I have a really acute SMAC addiction. I had a nightmare last night:

I was playing as University, and was really a perfectionist - small number of big bases with lots of SP on a small continent. Santiago called the council and asked to melt the polar caps, and everyone agreed, and I was left with ONE size 6 water base!!! I woke up in the middle of the night sweating like hell. I am damn serious. The first thing I did in the morning was to go play a couple of turns to see whether there would be a council, but there was not. Wheewwww! Boy, was I relieved!

Should I get some medical attention?

Provost Harrison posted 06-05-99 01:31 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Provost Harrison  Click Here to Email Provost Harrison     
Yes, most certainly. You shouldn't be sleeping, you should be playing
eNo posted 06-05-99 04:03 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for eNo  Click Here to Email eNo     
This thread really dissolved into nothing.

Azugal..mmmmm.....

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