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eNo posted 05-15-99 03:18 PM ET
This came up in a discussion at school that there may be fights with Iraq while everybody's attention is on Kosovo. Sneaky!
Bishop posted 05-15-99 08:54 PM ET
The truth id�s the US never stopped attacking Iraq, it�s been going on since Desert Storm. It�s never been "news material" though. Its estimated that the US has killed a total of 500.000 Iraqi children during and as a consecuence of these bombings.
Bishop
Roland posted 05-17-99 03:07 AM ET
Oh yes ? Who has done those estimates, and do they take into account that the baath (no, mot a bath) regime has used oil revenue to build palaces for its leaders rather than buy food and medicine ?
Bishop posted 05-17-99 05:43 AM ET
The estimates are made by the UNICEF.
Bishop
Roland posted 05-17-99 06:14 AM ET
Got an URL for that ?
Bishop posted 05-17-99 06:37 AM ET
Oops, as it turns out it wasn�t UNICEF after all, better check my sources better :0. Try these links though:
www.mennonitecc.ca/mcc/pr/1996/12-20/5.html
or for some other sites:
www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=en&q=Iraqi%2Bchildren&search=Search
The first link states 500.000 children, the other links (from the Altavista page) states between 500.000-1.000.000 I suppose you�ve have to be a bit critical to some of the sites though.
Bishop
Bishop posted 05-17-99 06:38 AM ET
Darn, how do I get the red "ashamed" face ?
Bishop
eNo posted 05-18-99 12:04 AM ET

":" followed by "o"
Is there any place where I can find out the current situation in Iraq?
Roland posted 05-18-99 03:27 AM ET
Ok, what your site says is:
"Over the past six years some 500,000 Iraqi children may have died due to crippling international sanctions, according to a researcher at the Harvard University School of Public Health."
May have, an unnamed researcher is supposed to say... now, the situation in Iraq is bad, but I take argument with the "due to crippling international sanctions" part. Food and medicine have been exempted from the sanctions from the beginning; for the possibility to sell oil for those items, I would have to check the original resolutions. The main problem has been that the Iraqi regime refused to accept the program as the UN was supposed to control the use of the funds to make sure the money doesn't go into arms deals or saddam's manic palace building.
Bishop posted 05-18-99 07:58 AM ET
eNo
Try iraqaction.org or the altavista link in one of my earlier posts.
Roland
He or she isn�t the only one that says so, several of the other sites on the Altavista page I linked to says the same. And UN resolution 986 has clearly not worked as shown by Iraqi-action Canada www.web.net/~gccwat/iraq/p-hunger.htm I cite:
"Instead of lifting the sanctions in face of such a humanitarian tragedy, the UN Security Council offered
Iraq a limited and strictly controlled "oil-for-food" arrangement. Resolution 986 permitted Iraq to sell $2
billion worth of oil over a (renewable) six-month period. All the revenues would go into a UN-controlled
bank account.
From this UN escrow account, approximately 50 per cent of the funds would be diverted for war
reparations to Kuwait, UN salaries and costs, and direct UN food distribution in the Kurdish autonomous
region. On top of all this, Iraq must absorb all the production costs of the crude oil to be exported, and
pay a fee to Turkey for the use of its pipeline. (Iraq's wish to export oil through Syria was not respected
by the UN.)
The result of all these deductions from its oil revenues is that Iraq will be able to spend at most 25
cents per person per day to supply food and medicine for its people. Iraq in desperation has accepted
this Resolution, and it went into effect in December 1996.
25 cents per person per day will obviously not end hunger. It may only be enough to replace the
meagre rations which the government could no longer sustain - leaving the people as desperate and hungry
as before.
25 cents per person per day is not enough for Iraq to buy the major equipment and supplies it needs to
repair its infrastructure, supply clean water, and re-establish its own farming industry.
25 cents per person per day will not supply paper and pencils for schools, books, and newspapers, or
medical journals and equipment for Iraq's depleted clinics and hospitals.
Bishop
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Author	Topic: Attack Iraq while people watch Kosovo
eNo	posted 05-15-99 03:18 PM ET This came up in a discussion at school that there may be fights with Iraq while everybody's attention is on Kosovo. Sneaky!
Bishop	posted 05-15-99 08:54 PM ET The truth id�s the US never stopped attacking Iraq, it�s been going on since Desert Storm. It�s never been "news material" though. Its estimated that the US has killed a total of 500.000 Iraqi children during and as a consecuence of these bombings. Bishop
Roland	posted 05-17-99 03:07 AM ET Oh yes ? Who has done those estimates, and do they take into account that the baath (no, mot a bath) regime has used oil revenue to build palaces for its leaders rather than buy food and medicine ?
Bishop	posted 05-17-99 05:43 AM ET The estimates are made by the UNICEF. Bishop
Roland	posted 05-17-99 06:14 AM ET Got an URL for that ?
Bishop	posted 05-17-99 06:37 AM ET Oops, as it turns out it wasn�t UNICEF after all, better check my sources better :0. Try these links though: www.mennonitecc.ca/mcc/pr/1996/12-20/5.html or for some other sites: www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=en&q=Iraqi%2Bchildren&search=Search The first link states 500.000 children, the other links (from the Altavista page) states between 500.000-1.000.000 I suppose you�ve have to be a bit critical to some of the sites though. Bishop
Bishop	posted 05-17-99 06:38 AM ET Darn, how do I get the red "ashamed" face ? Bishop
eNo	posted 05-18-99 12:04 AM ET ":" followed by "o" Is there any place where I can find out the current situation in Iraq?
Roland	posted 05-18-99 03:27 AM ET Ok, what your site says is: "Over the past six years some 500,000 Iraqi children may have died due to crippling international sanctions, according to a researcher at the Harvard University School of Public Health." May have, an unnamed researcher is supposed to say... now, the situation in Iraq is bad, but I take argument with the "due to crippling international sanctions" part. Food and medicine have been exempted from the sanctions from the beginning; for the possibility to sell oil for those items, I would have to check the original resolutions. The main problem has been that the Iraqi regime refused to accept the program as the UN was supposed to control the use of the funds to make sure the money doesn't go into arms deals or saddam's manic palace building.
Bishop	posted 05-18-99 07:58 AM ET eNo Try iraqaction.org or the altavista link in one of my earlier posts. Roland He or she isn�t the only one that says so, several of the other sites on the Altavista page I linked to says the same. And UN resolution 986 has clearly not worked as shown by Iraqi-action Canada www.web.net/~gccwat/iraq/p-hunger.htm I cite: "Instead of lifting the sanctions in face of such a humanitarian tragedy, the UN Security Council offered Iraq a limited and strictly controlled "oil-for-food" arrangement. Resolution 986 permitted Iraq to sell $2 billion worth of oil over a (renewable) six-month period. All the revenues would go into a UN-controlled bank account. From this UN escrow account, approximately 50 per cent of the funds would be diverted for war reparations to Kuwait, UN salaries and costs, and direct UN food distribution in the Kurdish autonomous region. On top of all this, Iraq must absorb all the production costs of the crude oil to be exported, and pay a fee to Turkey for the use of its pipeline. (Iraq's wish to export oil through Syria was not respected by the UN.) The result of all these deductions from its oil revenues is that Iraq will be able to spend at most 25 cents per person per day to supply food and medicine for its people. Iraq in desperation has accepted this Resolution, and it went into effect in December 1996. 25 cents per person per day will obviously not end hunger. It may only be enough to replace the meagre rations which the government could no longer sustain - leaving the people as desperate and hungry as before. 25 cents per person per day is not enough for Iraq to buy the major equipment and supplies it needs to repair its infrastructure, supply clean water, and re-establish its own farming industry. 25 cents per person per day will not supply paper and pencils for schools, books, and newspapers, or medical journals and equipment for Iraq's depleted clinics and hospitals. Bishop