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korn469 posted 06-19-99 12:22 PM ET
i was playing around with punishment spheres and i noticed they were not decreasing science for my faction. aceplayer said he noticed this too. i think it's a possible bug but i might not understand the exact way the punishment sphere formula works. i am going to be doing more experimenting with it and i need help if anyone knows the formula for how punishment spheres work then post it here. if anyone else discovers punishment spheres don't work post it here. and if i am totally wrong post it here and laugh at me.
exactly what number does a punishment sphere change? the book says it decreases labs by 1/2. so how exactly does that effect your research? would it be the same as having a negative 5 in research? does it just effect the lab bonus? how exactly does it work? ok for example you have zero on the research scale besides your headquaters it has three structures in it. a punishment sphere a biology lab and a network node you're taking in 8 energy total and 4 energy is going to your labs and you have a librarian in your city.
ok the biology lab supposedly provided +2 research. the network node supposedly increases research at the base by 50% and the punishment shpere supposed to decrease labs by 1/2. the librarian provides +3 bonus to labs. so how exactly does the punishment sphere effect your base? i have been playing around with them lately and it seems to have no effect at all. i am begining to think it is a bug. please if anyone knows the answers (like the formula on how it calculates the punishment sphere into research) i will greatly appreciate it.
and i am using version 3.0
korn469
like a researcher i'm looking for a peer reveiw of my study to back up my findings
korn469 posted 06-19-99 01:35 PM ET

after doing more research i proved myself wrong there is no punishment sphere bug
so feel free to go ahead and call me stupid
korn469
korn469 posted 06-19-99 02:38 PM ET
yeah i changed my mind, but the reason i changed my mind is i found where the punishment penalty comes into play and it's a hidden number. i wrote a VERY VERY detailed discription of how the research system works except i lost my internet connection and i restarted my computer and lost it all! ARGGG!
ok but here's how punishment spheres work. to make it simple i'm basing this on one city. take the total research number from your city (that's the raw number plus the bonus points) then multiply that number by the research penalty/bonus for your factions social engineering. this gives you the tech per turn number on the F2 screen. now if you have a punishment sphere the game multiplies the tech per turn number by 1/2 when it adds it to the total tech accumulated in the F2 screen. so when you have a punishment sphere in your city, you actually are only going to add half the number it has in tech per turn. try it it works.
there is a bug though!
in my game it's basing the turns till discover on the tech per turn number before it's modified by the punishment sphere. so it's saying i'm going to discover a tech twice as quick as what i really am. so i did find a bug, just not a big one. but all i got to say unless you know where and what to look for you're not going to see how a punishment sphere effects you.
korn469
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Author	Topic: punishment sphere bug. needs verification!
korn469	posted 06-19-99 12:22 PM ET i was playing around with punishment spheres and i noticed they were not decreasing science for my faction. aceplayer said he noticed this too. i think it's a possible bug but i might not understand the exact way the punishment sphere formula works. i am going to be doing more experimenting with it and i need help if anyone knows the formula for how punishment spheres work then post it here. if anyone else discovers punishment spheres don't work post it here. and if i am totally wrong post it here and laugh at me. exactly what number does a punishment sphere change? the book says it decreases labs by 1/2. so how exactly does that effect your research? would it be the same as having a negative 5 in research? does it just effect the lab bonus? how exactly does it work? ok for example you have zero on the research scale besides your headquaters it has three structures in it. a punishment sphere a biology lab and a network node you're taking in 8 energy total and 4 energy is going to your labs and you have a librarian in your city. ok the biology lab supposedly provided +2 research. the network node supposedly increases research at the base by 50% and the punishment shpere supposed to decrease labs by 1/2. the librarian provides +3 bonus to labs. so how exactly does the punishment sphere effect your base? i have been playing around with them lately and it seems to have no effect at all. i am begining to think it is a bug. please if anyone knows the answers (like the formula on how it calculates the punishment sphere into research) i will greatly appreciate it. and i am using version 3.0 korn469 like a researcher i'm looking for a peer reveiw of my study to back up my findings
korn469	posted 06-19-99 01:35 PM ET after doing more research i proved myself wrong there is no punishment sphere bug so feel free to go ahead and call me stupid korn469
korn469	posted 06-19-99 02:38 PM ET yeah i changed my mind, but the reason i changed my mind is i found where the punishment penalty comes into play and it's a hidden number. i wrote a VERY VERY detailed discription of how the research system works except i lost my internet connection and i restarted my computer and lost it all! ARGGG! ok but here's how punishment spheres work. to make it simple i'm basing this on one city. take the total research number from your city (that's the raw number plus the bonus points) then multiply that number by the research penalty/bonus for your factions social engineering. this gives you the tech per turn number on the F2 screen. now if you have a punishment sphere the game multiplies the tech per turn number by 1/2 when it adds it to the total tech accumulated in the F2 screen. so when you have a punishment sphere in your city, you actually are only going to add half the number it has in tech per turn. try it it works. there is a bug though! in my game it's basing the turns till discover on the tech per turn number before it's modified by the punishment sphere. so it's saying i'm going to discover a tech twice as quick as what i really am. so i did find a bug, just not a big one. but all i got to say unless you know where and what to look for you're not going to see how a punishment sphere effects you. korn469