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Giant posted 05-07-99 08:22 PM ET
Currently playing on huge map of planet, librarian difficulty, v3.0.
Already have the Weather Paradigm but, boreholes give me 2 & 2 instead of 6 & 6.
Mines on rocky areas with roads only give me 2 minerals instead of 3.
Special minerals squares in water give 2 extra food instead of 2 extra minerals.
I have save games to prove this, FRAXIS any ideas?
Christopher
tfs99 posted 05-07-99 09:30 PM ET
Mines on rocky areas with roads will give you 4 minerals, but only after you discover Ecological Engineering. Same thing goes for boreholes, assuming these are part of the Borehole Cluster.
You _WILL_ get the bonus for the mine/road when there is a mineral/resource in the square. In fact you will get 7 minerals for mine/road/rocky/resource!
There is a similar tech for getting the extra energy (above 2), but I can't remember what it is offhand.
HTH.
SMAC n ... Ted S.
Urban Ranger posted 05-07-99 11:06 PM ET
You cannot get more than 2 of anything from a square until you have the proper technology. That includes nutrients, minerals, and energy.
Click on a city and look at the map. If there is a black halo surrounding an output number, that means you lack something to use that square to full potential. Perhaps a tech or a road (for mines in rocky areas).
TheMadStork posted 05-08-99 02:45 AM ET
ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMICS (B5) is the tech required to remove Energy restrictions.
This one also allows construction of Tree Farms, and allows Formers to raise/lower terrain (if not in possession of the Weather Paradigm, in which case they may do so already.)
Giant posted 05-08-99 10:25 AM ET
So, you're saying that a borehole created thanks to the Weather Paradigm will only get 2 minerals and 2 energy until B5 is discovered? Is this realted to difficulty level maybe? I _know_ that in a previous game I did same thing and the borehole did what it's supposed to do: yield 6 min. /6 energy.
And what about the Self-Aware Colony? It never reduces upkeep costs for me? Comments?
C
Giant posted 05-08-99 10:00 PM ET
Ok, solved the borehole quandry. In that game I referenced UoP, my pact brother, gave me a few techs I never really looked at carefully. One of them was B5 with the other being, I forget but you need it to go 3+ energy.
Fine, the other bug, is a real one. I've a map where I get 2 food and no minerals from a mineral bonus square at sea. Shouldn't that be 2 minerals?
And the Self-Aware Colony does not alter the upkeep costs of any facilities at any base, a definate bug.
Giant
Urban Ranger posted 05-08-99 11:07 PM ET
Are you playing the Gaians? If you have sea fungus growing at a mineral bonus square, then all you get is the fugal resouces: fugus takes precedence over everything else, and there's no point building enhancements in fugus squares even if you can with Centauri Psi, since that doesn't do anything.
Warp Warrior posted 05-12-99 01:49 PM ET
Definitly sounds like a fungus square. I thought I had a similar problem once where I had a square that had nutrient bonus, but all I got was a yellow 0 with a line through it because it was really a fungus square and I did not have the necessary tech to get anything out of it.
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Author	Topic: Another Bug
Giant	posted 05-07-99 08:22 PM ET Currently playing on huge map of planet, librarian difficulty, v3.0. Already have the Weather Paradigm but, boreholes give me 2 & 2 instead of 6 & 6. Mines on rocky areas with roads only give me 2 minerals instead of 3. Special minerals squares in water give 2 extra food instead of 2 extra minerals. I have save games to prove this, FRAXIS any ideas? Christopher
tfs99	posted 05-07-99 09:30 PM ET Mines on rocky areas with roads will give you 4 minerals, but only after you discover Ecological Engineering. Same thing goes for boreholes, assuming these are part of the Borehole Cluster. You _WILL_ get the bonus for the mine/road when there is a mineral/resource in the square. In fact you will get 7 minerals for mine/road/rocky/resource! There is a similar tech for getting the extra energy (above 2), but I can't remember what it is offhand. HTH. SMAC n ... Ted S.
Urban Ranger	posted 05-07-99 11:06 PM ET You cannot get more than 2 of anything from a square until you have the proper technology. That includes nutrients, minerals, and energy. Click on a city and look at the map. If there is a black halo surrounding an output number, that means you lack something to use that square to full potential. Perhaps a tech or a road (for mines in rocky areas).
TheMadStork	posted 05-08-99 02:45 AM ET ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMICS (B5) is the tech required to remove Energy restrictions. This one also allows construction of Tree Farms, and allows Formers to raise/lower terrain (if not in possession of the Weather Paradigm, in which case they may do so already.)
Giant	posted 05-08-99 10:25 AM ET So, you're saying that a borehole created thanks to the Weather Paradigm will only get 2 minerals and 2 energy until B5 is discovered? Is this realted to difficulty level maybe? I _know_ that in a previous game I did same thing and the borehole did what it's supposed to do: yield 6 min. /6 energy. And what about the Self-Aware Colony? It never reduces upkeep costs for me? Comments? C
Giant	posted 05-08-99 10:00 PM ET Ok, solved the borehole quandry. In that game I referenced UoP, my pact brother, gave me a few techs I never really looked at carefully. One of them was B5 with the other being, I forget but you need it to go 3+ energy. Fine, the other bug, is a real one. I've a map where I get 2 food and no minerals from a mineral bonus square at sea. Shouldn't that be 2 minerals? And the Self-Aware Colony does not alter the upkeep costs of any facilities at any base, a definate bug. Giant
Urban Ranger	posted 05-08-99 11:07 PM ET Are you playing the Gaians? If you have sea fungus growing at a mineral bonus square, then all you get is the fugal resouces: fugus takes precedence over everything else, and there's no point building enhancements in fugus squares even if you can with Centauri Psi, since that doesn't do anything.
Warp Warrior	posted 05-12-99 01:49 PM ET Definitly sounds like a fungus square. I thought I had a similar problem once where I had a square that had nutrient bonus, but all I got was a yellow 0 with a line through it because it was really a fungus square and I did not have the necessary tech to get anything out of it.