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Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #405 on: October 24, 2019, 04:31:07 AM »
Eh.  Elsewhere in the trailer has star destroyers rising out of water and fighting a battle amongst clouds, so I'm gonna say likely not SPACE proper.  The horses are silly though. 

I like the shot of the rebel fleet in the trailer.  It appears they tried to jam just about every ship they could from every EU property even remotely canon.   

A lot of things seem to hint at storylines from the thrawn.     

Offline Lorizael

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #406 on: October 24, 2019, 01:21:25 PM »
Maybe they're Force horses.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #407 on: October 24, 2019, 03:45:46 PM »
Maybe they're Force horses.
And the avatar style force bond with them.  Yep. 

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #408 on: October 24, 2019, 04:48:34 PM »
By rising out of water, do you mean they were using these spaceships as submarines?  How did they get the force-horses onto flying craft of any kind?  Did they use flying transports to land on the top surface and disgorge the horses so they could ride across the hull to do very important things on the other end?  Or do the horses have retractable wings?  Or did they jump off a boat onto the star destroyer just as it was rising out of the water?  So many questions.

Offline Lorizael

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #409 on: October 24, 2019, 05:13:27 PM »
The movie won't answer any of those questions, but I'm sure a detailed zoological analysis of the force horse species will appear in a "The Worlds of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" book released a month before the movie comes out.

Offline E_T

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #410 on: November 02, 2019, 04:29:15 PM »
remember in the clone war shots, with the older vrsion of what later had become the Star Destroyer, rising off the ground (or at least being in Atmosphere), so, if it's able to stand going into space and then dealing with atmospheric effects, then it should be able to submerge (at least into shallow water - might not be able to go really deep, but that all depends... ).
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Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #411 on: December 25, 2019, 01:37:32 PM »
So, I finally watched The Last Jedi--I was donating platelets so I was stuck immobile for two hours.  Seemed like a good idea.  I'm ... honestly, sort of befuddled by that movie.  It's arguably worse than Phantom Menace, albeit it's bad in a very different way.  But I wasn't annoyed so much as mystified by the whole experience.  So much of it was nonsensical, in terms of character motivation or dramatic choices.  It didn't feel like it was sloppily made; it felt like the director very deliberately constructed this giant heap of gibberish, possibly just to mess with us.  Why doesn't Holdo let her terrified subordinates know she has a plan?  Why do Finn and Rose get thwarted by a parking ticket?  Why do they pin all their hopes on a random scuzzy guy who acts like a drug addict, when they've been told only a very specific set of skills will do?  In a fight between space fascists and not-space-fascists, what would it mean to choose a third way as Kylo suggests, and why did he say that only to do pretty much exactly what Snoke would have done?  Why are we supposed to give a crap about arms trafficking when the bad guys blow up planets?  There are so many incomprehensible things going on in that movie.  Am told Skywalker is actually worse, and suspect we will not get a clear explanation for the space horses.

Offline E_T

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #412 on: December 27, 2019, 03:22:47 PM »
tell me about it...
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Offline Lorizael

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #413 on: December 27, 2019, 07:05:20 PM »
Am told Skywalker is actually worse, and suspect we will not get a clear explanation for the space horses.

I didn't like TLJ very much, but one of the worst aspects of Skywalker is that it deliberately retcons out the bad/controversial parts of TLJ. As far as the space horses... they're in atmosphere, which is part of a convoluted and mostly incoherent setup for the final battle.

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #414 on: December 28, 2019, 11:54:02 AM »
Okay, but does it have JJ Abrams's patented flopping-allusion storytelling technique?

"Hey, bro, you remember that thing you liked in the other movie that was good?  Well, I've got it here too.  Look!"
"Oh, neat.  What's it doing in this movie?"
"What do you mean?  Here, let me highlight it for you."
"... you're not actually going anywhere with this, are you?"
"Hey, here's another one, and this one's obscure.  That makes it twice as good."

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #415 on: December 29, 2019, 07:59:09 PM »
Just watched Skywalker. 

IMO it's about as good as you could do with the mess they had been handed with TLJ.  The first half of the movie careens about in what was likely JJ's idea for TLJ, so everything feels rushed and half formed as we have to get things to the final scenes. 

There's lots of nerdy things to hate, but I've come to grips with the fact that all the detailed books I read as a child on how things work have been tossed out the window.  There's also a whole legion of fan service easter eggs, especially from the animated/game canon. 

I'm in a rather fortunate position. 

I watched the original trilogy as a child myself.  I was able to see the prequels through the eyes of my sons, and I've seen the sequels through the eyes of my daughter and niece. 

I'm not even willing to say TLJ is utter trash any more.  I think more the clear fact they had NO cohesive plan for the trilogy as a whole is where the problem lies.  Early MCU had similar mis-steps, but being stand alone stories at the start let them find their way past that easier than this trilogy. Either director, given full reign over the trilogy would have been FINE.  But the constant ignoring what is set up in the previous movie really wrecks these sequels as anything resembling quality film making.   

That said, the new generation still loves these just as much as all children have loved star wars.   

 


Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #416 on: January 16, 2020, 12:20:39 PM »
So I watched the Mandalorian finally...

Eh.  It's OK, but also felt like they were purposely playing it VERY safe. 

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Offline Lorizael

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #417 on: January 16, 2020, 02:34:35 PM »
I enjoyed the Mandalorian. Looked great, sounded great, some funny bits... but also very basic and straightforward plotting (especially early in the season). And just about every time Carl Weathers spoke, he sounded like an NPC explaining the mission to the player.

Very much agree with your spoiler there, though not sure it's really a spoiler per se.

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #418 on: January 20, 2020, 03:20:47 AM »
Got the "despecialized editions" of the OT from my BiL.  Watched ANH with the boys tonight.  My, that was gloriously hokey.  So very seventies.  So very fun.

I still don't know why Kenobi had to suddenly give up and die.

Offline E_T

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #419 on: January 24, 2020, 04:27:08 PM »
Was O.K., I had seen it in IMAX
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