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Let's work out some official rules for this forum.
Buster's Uncle:
Really? It ranges from checking up on someone you've got a beef with because knowledge is power and all that - to actual stalking, which I have online experience with, and not on the supply side.
HATE having to come up with any catch-all troublemaker rule, but this ain't the first time I've had to. Real members, of course, are welcome to question and comment and get a vote in forming policy in what I hope is their online home, here - but need not trouble themselves that this sort of thing will ever bite them if I don't perceive long-term implacable malice.
This one simply doesn't apply to a real member who gets mad at me and comes at me hard -as sometimes happens- unless I perceive they're lost to us forever anyway, as someone just participating, and yet are still coming around.
I hope that makes sense. It is based on actual long experience of some of the more extreme drama that happens, and all will be happier if I step on teh dedicated haters and keep that stalky crap out of here when I can.
Syn:
I guess I don't see the point behind banning guests because you see the same IPs come up frequently. There are browsers that have built-in VPNs (like Opera) which negates the effectiveness of this, along with browser extensions, VPN sites, and dedicated VPN services.
I likely have a far different perspective on this than most, though...
Buster's Uncle:
Well, I can't do anything about lurking logged out -though I went to some trouble making sure of all recent IPs in my latest ban, which should short-term help- and I'd rationally like to be able to watch it happening if anyone's dumb enough to do it logged in, but reason isn't the whole story and sometimes knowledge is too corrosive/toxic to inner peace to be worth it...
Buster's Uncle:
--- Quote from: Buster's Uncle on March 10, 2018, 07:39:45 pm ---What follows that I saw last week I find influential on issues I wrestle with here.
--- Quote from: Cutlass ---My moderating style, and I really do have a substantial amount of forum moderating experience, is to generally be inclusive, and warn as necessary. But when someone is really getting on other people's nerves to the point where the good people may leave because of the bad people, just ban the bad people and be done with it. I find that it doesn't work to have a very formal set of rules and a very formal rules process. An internet forum is, at the end of the day, a hobby. If people are not enjoying themselves, they'll just not go to the place any longer. I won't tolerate racism, sexism, or general nastiness. If you think the alt-right is defensible, this is not the place for you. Go elsewhere.
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I will go on from that to say it's not quite my take, and not going to be - but, and I speak as someone who found he had a very leftist OT going in 2012, and has actively recruited thoughtful conservatives in the years since, it's certainly somewhat close. I have the profound egalitarian and free-speech impulses a North American should, and I've posted in this very thread repeatedly trying to come to grips with --- the end of the above helps me crystalize my thinking at a maybe better angle. I don't do anything much to encourage people whose politics I agree with if I find their mode of expression and level of thoughtfulness poor. If you, short of the beyond-the-pale stuff Cutlass concludes with, got nothin' better than Reagan-worship and party talking points, and aren't any fun and/or I stiffen when I see you posting - we can get unreflected right "thinking" anywhere, to the point it's a pain all over the nets.
I don't deem that acting like an adult, and I am not obligated to tolerate it being inflicted on my friends or myself in my own house, and I regret it having to be that way, but have an interesting perspective/be fun/something, or it's five minutes to sundown for you at AC2. Period.
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I explicitly mentioned right-wing trolling/buttholery because it's fair to say that's to be found All. Over. The. Internet., as I said before.
And well, our recent and ongoing national crisis does less than zero to dissuade me, but --- I realize there's bias showing in a glaring omission I made in only naming dumb right-wing stuff. Society doesn't work w/o some little bit of day-to-day trust. Just think about doing highway driving without trusting that other drivers don't mean to crash you; doesn't seem possible.
We've got to at least minimally pull together to have a civilization.
So if your belief set is, say, communism that sounds like it's from a book, not a person, if you are an extremist of ANY kind who believes in destruction, hate, anything that contributes to messing up the world I and my perfect niece Buster have to live in, you may not get into all that in your posts at AC2. Content yourself to on-topic area discussion of the game or go away - and mind your manners, too, or I'll be forced to regulate you, and I hate doing that. I also hate haters pulling us apart, what with I gotta live here.
God bless America, and all the other places.
Buster's Uncle:
I've realized that a policy post I made in the Building a Community thread almost nine years ago ought to be repeated here to have rulesy stuff all in one thread. I was an idealistic young 47, and had not yet been burned by years of dealing with volatile people. There are edits, not least for spelling, and I do not regret or take back the tremendously positive and optimistic attitude.
Please focus, at any rate, on the Be An Adult stuff, which is The Heart Of The Law...
--- Quote from: Buster's Uncle on October 19, 2012, 08:42:01 pm ---A few words about our management philosophy are in order.
You're all adults, and my partner and I are adults, and we all act like adults, and we're going to keep acting like adults, and treat each other like adults. If you're not an adult, you're going to act like one anyway at AC2.
It's really as simple as that. That is the rules here, in a nutshell. Be a Man. (Or Woman, as the case may be.)
Now, adults get to joke and clown and whoop it up - that's a lot of the purpose of this forum. We're here to have a good time, and we're not crowding the saturation point for silliness yet. Party on with your own bad self. Just - be considerate, and always tease only those you respect. The other members are my friends, and I have my friends' backs. You, too, 'cause I'm your friend, too, and have your back.
Be man (or woman) enough to never hide behind your keyboard, and comport yourself like we can see you and know your real name and could punch you, if it came to that. This has always been my credo online, because I am proud and I am not a coward. Be proud.
I know a forum where acting like a yard-ape punk boy is virtually mandatory. I know a forum where you are guaranteed to be treated like a kid. I know a forum with a very malicious person in charge, and it's dead. I know one that was born trying to find a happy balance, but the owners are virtual absentee landlords and their favorites can troll without let or hinderance. Allowing everything is no good, allowing nothing is only good for kids, which is what they get. Running a forum as a private kingdom and to settle scores has kept one from living, and never acting except hypocritically will be the death of another soon enough.
sisko and I have seen it done wrong, and we learned. We know we're not better than you (or at least not because we have nerdbadges :P), and we hope that shows. I'd rather persuade than give orders. I expect you to be smart and mature and wise. I expect those things of myself.
You can sass us to your heart's content under the same limitations you're under about anyone else; don't piss us off. :)
We're here, we're active and on top of things, and we're pledged to try to make everyone happy and treat them with respect (including ourselves, as is only fair). You can take that to the bank.
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-I did not say we would succeed, just try. I also take it back about "to your heart's content" - this has been a problem too often - never forget the end of the sentence.
I wish sisko's son would finish growing up - we are lessened for an owner turning out to have a life...
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