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Offline Unorthodox

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #120 on: April 01, 2020, 02:18:22 AM »
110?  I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...
No doubt such a fever is very effective in killing all the bugs though, no wonder they go home for 2 weeks.  :)
Wouldn't a fever that high be very effective in killing the host?
Shhhhh, spoilers! 

Anecdotally I can say somewhere around 103 you start getting some really good hallucinations.  Mine are almost always the same thing, oddly.  Even more strange, they aren't horror movie content. 

Offline Elok

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #121 on: April 01, 2020, 02:21:42 AM »
Cursory googling seems to indicate that a fever over 108 causes brain damage.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #122 on: April 01, 2020, 05:23:15 AM »
110?  I congratulate anyone with the stamina to make the walk inside from the parking lot with a temp that high...
No doubt such a fever is very effective in killing all the bugs though, no wonder they go home for 2 weeks.  :)
Wouldn't a fever that high be very effective in killing the host?
Shhhhh, spoilers! 

Anecdotally I can say somewhere around 103 you start getting some really good hallucinations.  Mine are almost always the same thing, oddly.  Even more strange, they aren't horror movie content.

Well I thought I typed "100".....   Sorry.   I should warn everyone that I am prone to that kind of dyslexic-ish typing error. That's why I don't code.   

I get tripping at 103 myself. Schizzo, too.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #123 on: April 01, 2020, 05:24:14 AM »
We are powering our way to #1 in other categories, while building up a substantial lead in number of cases of Corona virus.

Todays deaths
1) Italy with 837
2) Spain and USA tied with 748 each.
3) France with 499
4) U.K. with 381

Severe & Critical patients
1) Spain with 5607
2) France with 5565
3) USA with 4576
4) Italy with 4023
5) Iran with 3703



Offline Geo

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #124 on: April 01, 2020, 03:32:11 PM »
Belgium:

Number of people hospitalized*: 4995
Among which on Intensive Care: 1088
Total number of people who left the hospital: 2132
Total number of deceased: 828

* number of beds occupied by people on whom a Corona infection is confirmed

We'll likely cross the total of 1000 deceased before the weekend...
« Last Edit: April 01, 2020, 06:05:16 PM by Geo »

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #125 on: April 01, 2020, 05:04:28 PM »
How do you hospitalize .995 of a person? 

Offline Geo

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #126 on: April 01, 2020, 06:04:39 PM »
Ah yes, you guys use a comma every three numbers. :P

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #127 on: April 02, 2020, 03:11:37 AM »
Well, we've jumped to over a thousand dead today. We're #1.

Apparently Florida, our 3rd largest state by population, and second to Maine in % of seniors, finally got with the program today. Well, I guess there are exceptions for religious worship or something. Hard to imagine this actually working nationally without their participation. Well, I expect they will be paying the price for a late start in a couple weeks.

I learned today that if you go on a ventilator with Corvid-19 that your chances of recovery are only 20%. My wife says that it's not personally worth it for her, and I'm inclined to agree ( even if they would assign one to me) that I wouldn't want to spend the last 3 weeks of my life that way. Ventilator issues are just quarreling over crumbs among the states.

This best case scenario model of only 100-200 thousand dead in the USA assumes national lockdown through the end of May. Today they said that they hoped a test to prove that somebody was over the infection and had immunity could be ready in a month. Of course all of the pronouncements about testing availability we'd have by now were pie in the sky. Even if the Abbot Labs devices were fully online, it's only an extra 50K tests/day, when we could use about a million tests/day in a country with 327-330 million people.

Without a way to certify survivors that they're fine, and can't be re-infected or infect others, everybody will be treated the same. That will get old fast, and people will break ranks more than they already are. I see lots of people trying to convince themselves that since they are young and probably won't die, or that since they were really sick once this winter and must have already had it, that they can safely circulate.

I'm concluding we won't nationally sustain a lockdown through the end of May unless we get the promised tests soon. That kicks us out of the current best case scenario.

I also read that Trump was crossing his fingers that warm weather would make this problem disappear, rather than acting in early February to get ahead of it. That's why he was saying it was just a flu/only 15 cases/it'll be gone, etc. 

Offline Elok

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #128 on: April 02, 2020, 12:25:20 PM »
Have you found hard data to support the 20% vent survival figure?  I've heard mixed reports, and had no success tracking down a good study.  The worst I've heard is 82% mortality on a vent, while the best is about 50.  This could improve as we learn more about the virus, but I don't know.

Speaking for my part of FL, I don't know how much difference the lockdown makes at this point; there was nowhere interesting to go beforehand anyway.  I'm going to work at my pharmacy, and to the school library to use their better wifi for my online classes (most of the county doesn't need to do this; I live in an extremely rural area).  Some churches might remain open, but mine has been shut down for weeks.

The hammer-and-dance talk really does seem like a farce.  Buying time only helps if there's something helpful in the pipeline.  The vaccine will come in a year or more, our pharmaceutical supply chain is unreliable at the best of times, it takes a lot of training to become skilled with a ventilator and Ford's emergency ventilators appear to be archaic piles of junk, inadequate to cares for ARDS patients.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #129 on: April 02, 2020, 02:12:26 PM »
Speaking for my part of FL, I don't know how much difference the lockdown makes at this point; there was nowhere interesting to go beforehand anyway.  I'm going to work at my pharmacy, and to the school library to use their better wifi for my online classes (most of the county doesn't need to do this; I live in an extremely rural area).  Some churches might remain open, but mine has been shut down for weeks.

The hammer-and-dance talk really does seem like a farce.  Buying time only helps if there's something helpful in the pipeline.  The vaccine will come in a year or more, our pharmaceutical supply chain is unreliable at the best of times, it takes a lot of training to become skilled with a ventilator and Ford's emergency ventilators appear to be archaic piles of junk, inadequate to cares for ARDS patients.

Haven't really read up on your lockdown situation, but FL does seem to be a dollar late and a day short in implementing their shutdowns to where it MAY have already been too late.  And maybe even too sparse.  I not in particular you are accessing a library, where ours here in Utah have been shuttered for weeks.  Part of this is TEH CHURCH at least seems to be taking it seriously (to a degree, I could rattle on with that), which puts pressure on our officials to do the same. 

As for useful things in the pipeline, even without a vaccine, there are multiple clinical trials underway for a multitude of treatments.  Any time you can buy to prove one of them more effective is worthwhile.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2020, 02:17:27 PM »
I know it's been hard to find, if anyone needs some sanitizer, you might have some luck with these guy's as it's not widely know they're making it yet, and it starts up today. 

https://www.froggysfog.com/sanitizer/froggy-s-simply-sanitizer-hand-rub-formulation.html

Offline Elok

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2020, 06:27:01 PM »
I can't remember if I've already mentioned this here, but America's pharmaceutical manufacturing and distribution industry is broadly dysfunctional; even if we got a good treatment, I have little confidence that it could be mass-produced in the quantities needed in a timely manner.

Offline Rusty Edge

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #132 on: April 02, 2020, 09:02:12 PM »
Have you found hard data to support the 20% vent survival figure?  I've heard mixed reports, and had no success tracking down a good study.  The worst I've heard is 82% mortality on a vent, while the best is about 50.  This could improve as we learn more about the virus, but I don't know.

Strictly hearsay. 
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/cuomo-says-death-rate-will-rise-due-to-patients-on-ventilators-unlikely-to-recover-81238597724?fbclid=IwAR2ZAWlSAjMbpP8Xt2E8vAidC_QnMdRWCcJeBIW6uVgD93QjYE9sEUgs7QQ

Then again, Gov. Cuomo seems to be candid in this crisis, and his experience is probably significant.  I figure it's probably a benchmark for medical professionals to compare tech and technicians and make projections.

Offline E_T

Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #133 on: April 03, 2020, 12:46:51 AM »
Trump just got finished Throwing Dem Governors under the bus, by saying that they kiss his ass on the phone with him and not accepting the additional stuff he was offering to send them and then talking bad about im to the public... 
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Re: Corona Virus
« Reply #134 on: April 03, 2020, 01:36:18 AM »
Say, is hEt set up so she's safe at work?

 

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