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Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #390 on: January 09, 2019, 07:30:05 PM »
I'd always heard it was Flynn that was rather lazy on the swordsmanship, but more naturally gifted at it, and Rathbone was kinda known for really working at it.  ? 



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Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #391 on: January 09, 2019, 11:08:04 PM »
Beats me.  Only one of them had to be good to make it look good, though.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #392 on: January 10, 2019, 12:33:03 AM »
Yeah, but they both have quite the resume of sword fighting apart from each other. 

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #393 on: January 10, 2019, 02:26:34 AM »
So, somebody on another internet scene asked the question of how you would "fix" Star Wars if you got to reboot it in the far future (forty years from now, ignoring the part where we'll all be old and/or dead).  I'll just change it to if you could get a do-over now, or at any point in the past.  How would you do it?  I composed half a movie in my head while fuming after TFA, but let's hear what others have to say first.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #394 on: January 10, 2019, 02:34:14 AM »
Which are we rebooting?  OT, Prequels, Sequels, all? 

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #395 on: January 10, 2019, 02:43:58 AM »
Whatever you want/feel like, basically.  You can make Ben Kenobi a talking horse if you like.

Offline Lorizael

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #396 on: January 10, 2019, 03:01:09 AM »
It's possible that I've written a fairly length treatment of how I would redo the prequels...

Offline ColdWizard

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #397 on: January 10, 2019, 04:28:58 PM »
It's possible that I've written a fairly length treatment of how I would redo the prequels...

I bet you don't even have Darth Darth Binks in it.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #398 on: January 10, 2019, 04:50:32 PM »
Yeah, I've discussed those ad nauseum as well.  I would say, I think episode 1 works a lot better being the 4th movie than as a true 1st movie, however, so any reboot, starting with 1, would need to address that aspect. 

But basics for prequels:  TEENAGE Anakin.  Forget this electing teens as your political queen bs with Amadala, have her parents die in the invasion, so inexperienced queen.  Jar Jar more street wise thief less bumbling idiot.  Most the rest can really be fixed with proper editting and directing. 

(non special edition) ANH, I wouldn't make any major changes, I don't think. 
ESB, similar. 
RTJ...well...the Ewoks need to be addressed. 
TFA:  I'm actually more ok with it than a lot of fandom.  I lean towards Mark Hamill's idea to change the end, but that's about it:  Kylo just kicked Fynn/Rey's ass, Kylo reaches to force pull the lightsaber, and it flys past him, not to Rey, but to Luke coming out of the forest.  End movie with Leia slapping Luke, then hugging him, cause teh feels. 

Though I do want to say shocky baton storm trooper guy makes NO sense.  Yes, the prequels had the droid guards with the shocky staves that could block lightsabers, but you were fighting an army of Jedi.  There is no reason for shocky baton guy to exist.  There are no Jedi, no expectation of lightsabers, and it's a gun fight. 

While we are at it, that last fight.  Fynn vs Kylo, I'm OK with how Kylo takes his time toying with Fynn...but Fynn gets sliced up the back with a lightsaber and lives?  Really?  Why not take off a leg? 

(Similarly, Kylo gets whacked in the face and barely gets a scratch.  Several of the queen's card warriors (thanks for that image) get sliced and it barely leaves a mark on the armor in TLJ.  Disney keeps nerfing the light saber for some reason.) 

TLJ:  This is a retcon/ignoring the world's buildup mess.  This has to be a complete rewrite. 

Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #399 on: January 10, 2019, 05:09:28 PM »
Yeah, I rewatched that scene, by the way, and noticed that Kylo begins the fight by deliberately driving his saber into the floor.  Like, he doesn't just nick it by accident, he jams it in like it's the sword in the stone or something.  And the nearest trooper obligingly aims to hit its blade instead of just beating his face in while he's stooped over.  Makes no sense.

For ROTJ, aside from the ewoks, I'd fix Luke's clever palace infiltration plan so that it makes a lick of sense and doesn't appear to revolve around getting everyone captured.  But aside from those two fixes, the original trilogy is basically perfect.  I think the prequels never had any reason to exist, mostly because they came out after we already knew both their broad outlines and how they ended.  I have an idea for a completely different movie instead of TFA, not going to type it up right now.

Offline Unorthodox

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #400 on: January 10, 2019, 08:13:53 PM »
I think the prequels never had any reason to exist, mostly because they came out after we already knew both their broad outlines and how they ended. 

I had the benefit of watching those through the eyes of my children, for whom these were their childhood.  Watching the entire neighborhood hold Jedi Council in various yards around a trampoline.  I designed star wars bday parties around these films. 

Thus, I disagree whole heartedly.  Any reboot should start with the prequels and tell the story complete.  The Prequels, however poorly executed, give a MUCH better feel for how the galaxy runs.  Who the Jedi are.  How they are typically trained.  Who the Sith are.  There's too much world building in the prequels to ignore.   


Offline Elok

Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
« Reply #401 on: January 10, 2019, 08:26:56 PM »
I could see it being done better if they'd started with the prequels*.  It could be an interesting story in a world where they were told first, I grant you.

*yes, yes, it would be very hard for them to be done worse...

 

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