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Title: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Zoid on January 27, 2013, 11:56:35 AM
I'm somewhat optimistic, after all it must be better than I-III. JJ Abrams has done good things to reboot Star Trek, maybe he can shake up Star Wars as well...

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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 27, 2013, 02:22:59 PM
 ;grrr
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Zoid on January 27, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
I take you're less than thrilled BUncle?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 27, 2013, 02:57:09 PM
I can never watch that Star Track thingy he shat out as a non-Star Trek fan, but it seemed loud and dumb and not a good movie to me.

I daresay there'll be no pod racing, though.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 27, 2013, 07:34:08 PM
One of the the quirks about BU is he is a bittervet™ when it comes to anything Trek or Wars. If it ain't the real Kirk it does not exist in his universe. This applies also to Picard and crew. TNG/VOY/DS9 is not trek. I have tried to explain how TNG is just a better Trek, but it does not work. You can troll him like sisko does through a TNG/VOY/DS9 era avatar. Bonus if it is from ENT or JJ Abrahms.

I like the style JJ used for Star Trek even if the fan in me barfs at this alternate timeline garbage. However, Star Trek's bible is a thousand times larger and more restrictive than Star Wars' is. Yeah, Star Wars has novels and the EU, but we can feel free to not have to go by the EU novels. He will not be bound creatively.

He does not need to change Star Wars' style like he did with Trek. He will have nerd revolts if he does. Trek, you can sort of get away with that because Trek changes style all the time. Star Wars does not.


I do one bad thing... we will not be getting as many movies if just one guy handles both franchises.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 27, 2013, 09:36:28 PM
He's also baiting me with the pod racing, but we've gone over that enough in the other thread. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 27, 2013, 09:45:21 PM
Am not. 

I just think the pod race was loud and dumb and - I take that back, come to think of it; he'll probably have at least two.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 27, 2013, 11:26:46 PM
Back on topic without putting BU and Uno back in the nerdrage steel cage...

I DO think that if JJ goes full Star Wars, we may have the chance to have Trek go back to TV with the new cast.

Do not worry, eve the best analysts admit if it happens, you will get back to a more cerebral/ social exploration style. Mix it with the character development of DS9, I see a hit.

Oh yeah... nerds QQ less. Episodes 1-3 are fine. Episode 3 I will put up against Return of the Jedi any day.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 27, 2013, 11:33:25 PM
Am not. 

I just think the pod race was loud and dumb and - I take that back, come to think of it; he'll probably have at least two.

The pod race was fine. The only thing I did not like was that I thought Jabba the Hut did not look right compared with how he looked i Return of the Jedi. Niether did I like how he looked when Lucas put him in A New Hope while he was tinkering with things that probably should have been left as is.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 28, 2013, 12:24:46 AM
If I didn't know better, I'd accuse you of being very young.  Loud and dumb, I say - bored me to tears and did little to advance the plot.

Also, take that back about me being a SW bittervet™.  You must have me confused with someone else.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 28, 2013, 12:30:17 AM
I would... but bittervet is not a bad thing. It adds color.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 28, 2013, 12:42:39 AM
Show me where I've demonstrated bitterness about Star Wars other than Revenge of the Jedi then.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 28, 2013, 12:47:55 AM
Show me where I've demonstrated bitterness about Star Wars other than Revenge of the Jedi then.

The bitterness was towards Star Trek. If you have Star Wars bitterness, you have yet to reveal that to the Jedi, compadre.

Do not get uptight about it, though. I have bitterness towards some things myself.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 28, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
I AM still bitter about Revenge of the Jedi, mind you.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 28, 2013, 02:55:25 PM
If I didn't know better, I'd accuse you of being very young.  Loud and dumb, I say - did little to advance the plot.

Frees Anakin
Buys ship parts
Foreshadows Anakins abilities as a pilot
Establishes bond between Anakin and Qui Gonn

yeah, nothing of value here. 

too long, drawn out, and full of errors, I'll happily concede. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Dale on January 28, 2013, 09:18:13 PM
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production.  He's still in dangerous positions.

My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: testdummy653 on January 28, 2013, 10:31:39 PM
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production.  He's still in dangerous positions.

My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.

Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Dale on January 29, 2013, 03:27:46 AM
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production.  He's still in dangerous positions.

My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.

Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!

I doubt it would be Jar-Jar, but we could have Jar-Jar's son.  Put him as star of the movie, and sure fire box office mega-hit!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: testdummy653 on January 29, 2013, 03:33:42 AM
Don't worry, Lucas is character writer, and LucasFilm is co-production.  He's still in dangerous positions.

My prediction is they'll be as screwed up as I-III.

Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!

I doubt it would be Jar-Jar, but we could have Jar-Jar's son.  Put him as star of the movie, and sure fire box office mega-hit!

Thats a great idea! But a better idea would be that the movie would be focused on Jar-Jar raising his son.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 29, 2013, 03:59:12 AM
Episode VII: Meesa Podracing!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Dale on January 29, 2013, 06:41:04 AM
Here's a better spin.  Jar Jar joins the dark side, Yoda steals his son away, gives him to some farmer on a secluded planet.  The boy finds he's strong in the force, enters training with Yoda, confronts his father and loses.  Then in a big battle between Jar Jar's forces and the Republic (complete with Republic squid character pulling the entire series punchline of "It's a TRAP!"), Jar Jar and his son once again face off in front of the new Sith Lord.  The Sith Lord starts whacking around Jar Jar's son, and when he's almost dead Jar Jar picks up the new Sith Lord and dumps him into the starship core killing him.  Jar Jar dies, but not before repenting and everyone lives happily ever after!

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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on January 29, 2013, 09:20:45 PM
Here's a better spin.  Jar Jar joins the dark side, Yoda steals his son away, gives him to some farmer on a secluded planet.  The boy finds he's strong in the force, enters training with Yoda, confronts his father and loses.  Then in a big battle between Jar Jar's forces and the Republic (complete with Republic squid character pulling the entire series punchline of "It's a TRAP!"), Jar Jar and his son once again face off in front of the new Sith Lord.  The Sith Lord starts whacking around Jar Jar's son, and when he's almost dead Jar Jar picks up the new Sith Lord and dumps him into the starship core killing him.  Jar Jar dies, but not before repenting and everyone lives happily ever after!

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One time, two of my old gamer buddies back in the peak of my pencil and paper gaming days tried to round me up to run a short Star Wars d20 campaign set in Phantom Menace age. One played a Sith Gungan, the other a Sith Wookie.


But, I think the more important question that everyone wants to know: what happens to Ahsoka Tano? Does she survive Order 66? Some of those Clone Wars cartoons are pretty good. JJ has nothing to do with that, at least.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 05, 2013, 07:13:09 PM
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A Rumor, This Is: Disney planning ‘Star Wars’ spinoff film centering on Yoda
By Bryan Enk | Movie Talk – 2 hours 14 minutes ago...

 
"Yoda: Jedi Master" has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? Or maybe just "The Jedi Master."
 
Well, before it can have a title, it has to actually exist, and for now a stand-alone "Star Wars" film that puts the powerful pint-sized denizen of Dagobah front and center is just the latest rumor to come out of a galaxy far, far away (well, not that far anymore -- it's now at Disneyland, after all).
 
Ain't It Cool News brings word that Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy might be doing a lot more than just having secret meetings with J.J. Abrams as she's apparently in the early stages of what Disney does best: milking a brand for all it's worth. Sure, Abrams is going to be directing "Episode VII," but there's more than just a new "Star Wars" trilogy in store -- we might be getting a bunch of spinoff films as well, and if Zack Snyder's rumored (and since denied) Jedi-centric riff based on Akira Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai" isn't going to be the first one out of the gate, then maybe a Yoda movie will be.
 
The project is said to be in active development, though of course there are no plot details to speak of (our guess would be it's an origin story -- actually, how about "Begin, Yoda Shall" as a title?). Kennedy apparently has a whole slate of spinoff films in the works, including one focusing on Jabba the Hutt (potentially the "Goodfellas" of the "Star Wars" universe?) that was apparently pitched by George Lucas himself. And let's not forget that Joe Johnston, who's in good with Disney after directing Marvel's "Captain America: The First Avenger," once expressed his desire to call the shots on a movie featuring everyone's favorite bounty hunter, Boba Fett. Disney and Lucasfilm have not returned our calls for comment.
 
One bit of info that could lead credence to the rumor: Lawrence Kasdan, the screenwriter of "The Empire Strikes Back" where Yoda made his first on-screen appearance, has signed on to write one of the new "Star Wars" films. And according to a report in The Hollywood Reporter, he may be writing a stand-alone movie for a side character, rather than "Episode VIII" or "IX."
 
Let's not get too carried away, though ... and hope that Disney doesn't, either. "Star Wars" is not "The Avengers." Making a bunch of spinoff movies along with a new trilogy could very well make the Death Star explode before it's fully operational. Maybe it's best to see how it goes with "Episode VII" and evaluate from there, guys? We know you're excited about your new playset but you don't want to wear it out when it's still barely out of the box.
 
Anyway, we might be recommending caution in dealing with a potential danger that doesn't even exist in the first place. Again, for now, chalk all this up as yet another "Star Wars" rumor ... and know that it certainly won't be the last.
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/rumor-disney-planning-star-wars-spinoff-film-centering-165457169.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/rumor-disney-planning-star-wars-spinoff-film-centering-165457169.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on February 05, 2013, 08:49:42 PM
Frankly that would interest me more than what I'm hearing of VII.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Matt the Czar on February 11, 2013, 05:35:38 AM
Man that guys busy! Valve may make  a half life movie with him! :)

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/half-life-movie-j-j-abrams-game-developer-005857102.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/half-life-movie-j-j-abrams-game-developer-005857102.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BFG on February 11, 2013, 09:33:46 PM
One time, two of my old gamer buddies back in the peak of my pencil and paper gaming days tried to round me up to run a short Star Wars d20 campaign set in Phantom Menace age. One played a Sith Gungan, the other a Sith Wookie.
Oh lordie.  Now you have me wondering what a Sith Hutt would look like.

EDIT: But now that JJ Abrams is taking the helm, it makes me genuinely wonder what a Hollywood Star Trek/Wars crossover would look like.  And no, I'm not advocating for one...but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on February 11, 2013, 10:19:17 PM
One time, two of my old gamer buddies back in the peak of my pencil and paper gaming days tried to round me up to run a short Star Wars d20 campaign set in Phantom Menace age. One played a Sith Gungan, the other a Sith Wookie.
Oh lordie.  Now you have me wondering what a Sith Hutt would look like.

EDIT: But now that JJ Abrams is taking the helm, it makes me genuinely wonder what a Hollywood Star Trek/Wars crossover would look like.  And no, I'm not advocating for one...but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

It may be worth it just to see the nerd wars that ensued.  I'd probably go opening night just to watch that.  (And I've sworn to never go opening night to anything trek again.  Took the boss (a next generation trekkie) to Generations opening night...  ??? the local fanclub had rented out the theater and were doing special events prior to our screening.  It was interesting...  )


Ya know, yeah, I want to see the crossover.  I'll totally dress as Mog (Spaceballs) just to rile the crowd. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 11, 2013, 11:38:34 PM
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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 12, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Matt the Czar on February 12, 2013, 11:45:15 PM
Oh noes!  I forgot what this thread was for!


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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 06, 2013, 06:08:11 PM
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Fisher to Reprise Princess Leia in New 'Star Wars'
By Krista Wick | ET Online – 16 hours ago.. .

 
Not long after Luke Skywalker himself (Mark Hamill) revealed to ET that he was in talks to join the upcoming Star Wars: Episode VII cast, Carrie Fisher has confirmed she will indeed dust off the gold bikini, so to speak, and reprise her role as Princess Leia.

When asked point blank by The Palm Beach Illustrated whether Luke's sister would return for the much-anticipated J.J. Abrams-directed sequel, Fisher said "yes," but warns that filmgoers should not expect a sexy return from the screen icon.
 
"She's in an intergalactic old folks' home," imagines Fisher of her "elderly" reprisal in Episode 7. "I just think she would be just like she was before, only slower and less inclined to be up for the big battle."
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/fisher-reprise-princess-leia-star-wars-011500742.html (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/fisher-reprise-princess-leia-star-wars-011500742.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Yitzi on March 06, 2013, 06:31:06 PM
Maybe we will get lucky and Jar-Jar comes back!

Since you said "lucky", I presume that you meant to finish the sentence "and we'll get to see him horribly killed by his own stupidity".   :P
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 06, 2013, 06:37:21 PM
Who wants to see that, though?  How about no Jar-Jar at all?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 19, 2013, 04:34:50 PM
Luke's Change: an Inside Job (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 22, 2013, 06:03:28 PM
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Harrison Ford On Star Wars Return: 'I Think It's Happening'
Access Hollywood – Wed, Mar 20, 2013 2:20 PM PDT...


Dust off the Millennium Falcon - Han Solo might be back for the new "Star Wars" film after all!

Amid constant speculation about whether the franchise's original big three - Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher - would return for the upcoming seventh big screen installment (directed by [hack]), Ford seemed willing to throw fuel on the fire this week, when he was asked if the old gang was getting back together.

"I think it's almost true. I'm looking forward to it," Ford told WGN9 News, after being asked if the original "Star Wars" actors would make an appearance in the new film.

"It's not in the bag yet, but I think it's happening," he added.

Casting rumors began to fly back in February, when the Latino Review claimed the now-70-year-old Ford would, in fact, reprise his iconic role.

Next came a quip from the original Princess Leia (Fisher) about her return to the franchise, who after saying she would be back, joked that she envisioned Leia "in an intergalactic old folks' home."

Disney has yet to comment on any of the casting rumors.

"Star Wars: Episode VII" has a tentative release date of 2015.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/harrison-ford-star-wars-return-think-happening-212035067.html (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/harrison-ford-star-wars-return-think-happening-212035067.html)

Death Star was an inside job!!!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 11, 2013, 08:01:51 PM
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New 'Star Wars: Episode VII' to be filmed in England
Reuters – 19 hours ago...


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Filming of the new "Star Wars" movie will take place in England, returning the franchise to its British roots, Disney's Lucasfilm said on Friday.

"We've devoted serious time and attention to revisiting the origins of 'Star Wars' as inspiration for our process on the new movie, and I'm thrilled that returning to the UK for production and utilizing the incredible talent there can be a part of that," Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm president, said in a statement.

The six previous "Star Wars" films were all partly filmed in the UK at famed studios including Pinewood, Elstree and Shepperton.

Disney announced three new "Star Wars" films in October 2012, when it purchased George Lucas' Lucasfilm company for $4.05 billion.

The news was welcomed by the British finance minister, George Osborne, who tweeted on Friday: "Great news for our creative industries. May the force be with us."

"Star Wars: Episode VII" will be made by director [[jerk, sphincter] hack], and will further boost the British film industry that has been regenerated by the popular James Bond and Harry Potter film franchises.

The "Star Wars" franchise has grossed more than $4.4 billion at the worldwide box office since the first film was released in 1977.

"Star Wars: Episode VII' is scheduled to be released in 2015.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-episode-vii-filmed-england-234910869.html (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-episode-vii-filmed-england-234910869.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on May 11, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
Luke's Change: an Inside Job ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg#ws[/url])


If you're going to do fake conspiracy theories, get the facts straight.  Wedge isn't the one who missed the shot, he covered Luke's run till he got shot, then bugged out, which is why he also survived...and blew up the second Death star. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: I)arkness Falls on May 12, 2013, 03:19:31 AM
I want about 123823192837981231283139 lense flares. :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 12, 2013, 04:07:44 AM
You'll get them.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: ariete on May 12, 2013, 01:16:35 PM
I personally find interesting the latest recent releases of movies in the footsteps of old classics like star wars and star trek. They are obviously better done thanks the more refined use of computer graphics, and both Wars and Trek are been made as prequel until now, maybe as sequel may not have the same impulse or be a huge [nonsense], as often happens with the sequel also of other genre (for example john rambo, indiana jones and the kingdom of crystall skull).
Maybe new Trek nothing to do with the old one, but i like it so good ... sorry for the ages  :D
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 16, 2013, 01:29:09 AM
I will say this...

Enough of these so-called "news" articles that has everyone and their brother "expressing interest" in playing and let's get to real juicy details. Then we can all begin nerdraging or nerdgasming. Whatever way the mouse takes us.

I mean god, they even had the guy that played Wicket the Ewok in on the act. Slow news days?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2013, 02:04:26 AM
The media is in on the Death Star cover-up...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Tarvok on May 19, 2013, 10:34:50 AM
My optimism is probably not welcome in this thread, but personally, I'm looking forward to it.

When Lucas sold the rights to Disney, I was among the few who cheered. Fact is, Disney does good work, and on the occasion they handle someone else's work, they generally do so gently and respectfully. Disney fronted the money for Tron, and otherwise left it alone. Disney does a fantastic job localizing Studio Ghibli's work. If anyone can handle Star Wars properly, it's Disney. And with Lucas out of the director's chair again, we might even get some good acting out of the actors.

When I heard JJ Abams was directing, I knew they'd put it in fairly decent hands. His directing style is a bit Bigger and Louder than I generally prefer... but I honestly can't think of any other contemporary directors that could handle the material properly. EVERYBODY does Big and Loud these days, but if your aesthetics are properly tuned, you can feel the Trek in his new Trek movies, and I fully expect there'll be some excellent Star Wars underlying the special-effects extravaganza.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 19, 2013, 05:16:49 PM
I just hope they kill off Chewbacca.

Ever met Peter Mayhew in real life? He is a real sarcastic jerk. From reading around on various boards, I do not think I ambeing unfair in my assessment.

I saw him at a convention.  Was not even there to see him. I do not usually care for celebrities, I just wanted to game. He was outside puffing on a cig. I just said hello and it was like I spit in his mom's face. Not to mention he talked very condescending to me. wow. If you do not like the convention circuit and hate the people, do not do it.

Oh? What's that? You are a sucky actor who can only make money now because you can not play anything else but a dude in a rug costume years back?  Even Lucas told the EU novelists it was okay to kill the dude off. That says something.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 12, 2013, 06:47:14 PM
ECCC 2012: Star Wars Trilogy: The Radio Play - Official Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBzRmWeC6Ds#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on June 12, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
;lol;
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 13, 2013, 04:13:09 AM
Tony Soprano as Greedo was really something.  And everything with Christopher Walken was comedy gold.

-Because everything with Christopher Walken IS comedy gold.
Title: ‘Star Wars’: R2-D2 Officially Confirmed to Appear In ‘Episode VII’
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 19, 2013, 10:38:18 PM
‘Star Wars’: R2-D2 Officially Confirmed to Appear In ‘Episode VII’
Variety
By Variety Staff 1 hour ago
 


Last week, LucasFilm debuted a new image of director J.J. Abrams and producer Kathleen Kennedy standing around the famed blue and white astromech droid R2-D2.

Well, on Tuesday Disney and LucasFilm confirmed that the beloved robot will indeed appear in the upcoming “Star Wars: Episode VII,” while also providing further information about R2-D2′s creative team.

Lee Towersey and Oliver Steeples, the two men standing behind Abrams and Kennedy, are officially part of the Creature Effects team for “Star Wars: Episode VII” and have a rather interesting story to tell.

Originally members of the worldwide R2-D2 Builders Club, a fanclub group dedicating to building robots from the “Star Wars” movies, the duo were hired by Disney and LucasFilm after impressing Kennedy this past summer in Germany.

“She posed for pictures with us, looked at all the droids we’d built and was very complimentary,” said Steeples, who finished his first R2-D2 in 2007, after 10 years of collecting parts and researching. “I mentioned that the R2-D2 Builders in the UK were available if required, as a semi-joke. When I was contacted to work on the film by [executive producer] Jason McGatlin, it was on her recommendation.”

Both men had worked on “Star Wars”-themed commercials in the U.K. but neither had ever dreamed of working on the actual film.

“It’s fascinating to see the whole process of filmmaking as Star Wars: Episode VII grows around us,” says Towersey. “I feel very privileged to be in the working environment I’m in at the moment. It’s something I will never take for granted.”

“It’s a dream come true,” adds Steeples, “and I hope I can live up to the expectations of the thousands of R2-D2 Builders around the world, let alone the millions of Star Wars fans.”

Disney and LucasFilm’s “Star Wars: Episode VII” is currently in pre-production at Pinewood Studios in the U.K. and will begin shooting in the Spring.


http://movies.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-r2-d2-appear-upcoming-sequel-203814459.html (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/star-wars-r2-d2-appear-upcoming-sequel-203814459.html)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: JarlWolf on November 20, 2013, 12:17:32 AM
Oh noes!  I forgot what this thread was for!


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Not to derail the subject, but I HATE the whole "3D" craze that has been gripping movies now a days. You are forced to buy these stupid wasteful glasses at a theater these days and the quality of the movie is negligible with them. It's barely a difference and a total scam.

I'd wish they just kept to normal films... or at least allow a person to re-use the glasses. I am quite frankly tired and fed up with that crap, it's why I just watch movies at home now...


Onto Star Wars... I kind of fell off the boat of Star Wars a number of years ago, wasn't heavily vested with it, and I find 4 to be overrated. That may be because it's the one I see the most of out of all of them, and I've just kind of been tuned out of it.

On the new film... not too sure of my thoughts. Again, my opinion of it is not too important given I don't have that much commitment to it. I am more for more realistic Sci-fi's or ones that are less of space fantasy/space opera and more gritty. Star Wars to me seems more like a ye olde fantasy story then something truly sci fi. I actually think I read a fantasy conversion of Star Wars once before, someone took the plot of the first...1-3 I think and maybe even 4, didn't get that far regardless, and put it in a fantasy world.

Star Trek I watched TNG, liked it, didn't stick to it after TNG. The first with Kirk was alright, but I like Picard better: That's just my opinion of course. I just found Kirk was too reckless to be a captain at times.

The more recent movie was watchable to me, but... the special effects made me cringe rather then be amazed. I just found it too bright, it wasn't that it was too loud and big, it was more that it looked like over exposed film shot by guys who don't know how to operate lighting. And it just hurt my eyes for the most part.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on December 01, 2013, 05:42:22 PM
I'm relieved to see there are SOME people who don't care for the Abrams way of doing movies... especially the crap that's currently masquerading as Star Trek.

As for Star Wars... as far as I'm concerned, there's not much point in continuing the movies, plot-wise. All the Evil Bad Guys are dead, Yoda's dead, our Original Heroes should be raising their children/grandchildren, Luke should be training more Jedi...

I don't read the novels, so I don't have a clue what the writers had happening after Return of the Jedi. And if JJ Abrams is making any decisions, I don't want to know.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 01, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 02, 2013, 08:23:57 PM
As for Star Wars... as far as I'm concerned, there's not much point in continuing the movies, plot-wise. All the Evil Bad Guys are dead

Which is a huge plot hole if you accept that.  By ROTJ's own reality, the fleet surrounding the second death star was more than enough to mop the floor with the puny offensive the rebels had put together.  They DIDN'T because the emperor wanted to make an example of the death star.  Officially, that fleet retreated at the death of the emperor, but was far from destroyed.  Makes no sense that the entire forces of the empire were in the one location, either. 

Disarray, maybe, complete and total victory over the whole empire?  Hardly.  And even if you accept that the empire is done, you have a whole galaxy now without any form of government.  Remnants of the military machine would be grasping for power, many systems without any kind of law enforcement, absolute chaos.

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, Yoda's dead, our Original Heroes should be raising their children/grandchildren, Luke should be training more Jedi...

I don't read the novels, so I don't have a clue what the writers had happening after Return of the Jedi. And if JJ Abrams is making any decisions, I don't want to know.

I've read a very few.  Few make much sense.  But, the children/grandchildren/more Jedi tend to be predominant themes. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on December 02, 2013, 08:37:33 PM
Yeah, there's a power vacuum. But honestly, to me the IV-VI movies make a complete story. I don't care what happened before, and unless at least one of the Luke/Leia/Han triumvirate is in the next movie, I really can't be bothered to care what happens next.

It's like the Dragonlance fantasy series, which was based on a series of AD&D modules: Dragons of Autumn Twilight makes a decent standalone book, the two sequels make a satisfying trilogy, and the rest of it is gravy and fans can take or leave whichever parts they want of the dozens more books and gaming modules that were published over the ensuing 25+ years.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 02, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Yeah, there's a power vacuum. But honestly, to me the IV-VI movies make a complete story. I don't care what happened before, and unless at least one of the Luke/Leia/Han triumvirate is in the next movie, I really can't be bothered to care what happens next.

The original trilogy does present a good second half of the story, and it does make a fine ending, as it was always Anakin/Vader's story.  The prequels just don't do the beginning much justice (ironically, the cartoons are better than the movie on this point).  Personally, I don't really care much as Vader is SURE not in it. 

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It's like the Dragonlance fantasy series, which was based on a series of AD&D modules: Dragons of Autumn Twilight makes a decent standalone book, the two sequels make a satisfying trilogy, and the rest of it is gravy and fans can take or leave whichever parts they want of the dozens more books and gaming modules that were published over the ensuing 25+ years.

See, I think it would be a disservice to not read the Twins trilogy there.  Outside of those core books it gets really wildly varying, with the only other book I cared for being Legend of Huma. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on December 02, 2013, 10:21:12 PM
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It's like the Dragonlance fantasy series, which was based on a series of AD&D modules: Dragons of Autumn Twilight makes a decent standalone book, the two sequels make a satisfying trilogy, and the rest of it is gravy and fans can take or leave whichever parts they want of the dozens more books and gaming modules that were published over the ensuing 25+ years.

See, I think it would be a disservice to not read the Twins trilogy there.  Outside of those core books it gets really wildly varying, with the only other book I cared for being Legend of Huma.
I agree - the Twins trilogy is more adult-fare Dragonlance - Tika and Caramon having marital problems, Caramon suffering from depression, Raistlin fully committed to Takhisis and having further dark ambitions, the issue of good, evil, and moral grey areas with Crysania and the Priest King of Istar...

And then many years later, they added another generation with Dragons of Summer Flame... yep, there's a lot that's wonderful about Dragonlance, and those seven books are what I personally consider to be the core of the series (eight, if you count the "Second Generation" anthology). But my point was that if people don't want to do all that reading, they can just stop with Dragons of Autumn Twilight, since it's a self-contained story all by itself, just like with Star Wars. The story would have worked if there'd never have been any sequels of any kind at all.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 03, 2013, 07:33:46 PM
it was always Anakin/Vader's story.
Bullcrap.  In the '70s, Lucas was telling interviewers it was about the life of Luke - he was to get born by the end of the first movie, die in his fifties in the 12th.  The lie revision you're credulously regurgitating this time goes back to around the time Sith came out.

Dude, you're so much better than believing everything anyone at Lucasfilm shovels.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 03, 2013, 08:24:34 PM
P.S.  AAAAAAAA!  (The prequels were obviously about Darth Skywalker; it's that lucasesque "always" that gets me.)

...

Does it occur to anyone, BTW, that the two trilogies in place, one being about the father, the next the son, form a structure that dictates that the sequels be about the next generation?










-Or the Holy Ghost...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 03, 2013, 09:20:23 PM
it was always Anakin/Vader's story.
Bullcrap.  In the '70s, Lucas was telling interviewers it was about the life of Luke - he was to get born by the end of the first movie, die in his fifties in the 12th.  The lie revision you're credulously regurgitating this time goes back to around the time Sith came out.

Dude, you're so much better than believing everything anyone at Lucasfilm shovels.

Right...and what, we're supposed to have 2 movies of Luke moisture farming in the middle there? 

You're quoting/remembering Gary Kurtz in '70's interviews, not Lucas, about the plan FOR THE FOLLOW ON TRILOGY (VII, VIII, IX).  Focus on Luke, his finding his (Non Leia) sister, becoming a kickass Jedi, and ultimately confronting the emperor in IX.  Obviously a few things changed with Revenge. 

1-6 was always the Anakin arch, following the same vein of early Lancelot tales (who does go mad/evil and kill a lot of knights), with Luke playing the part of Galahad to bring him back, but his old wounds from what drove him mad finally killing him.  (Vader's suit failing/Lancelot's wound to his side)  The end of 6 was supposed to be the 'oh [poop], Vader wasn't the big evil' cliffhanger. 

1-3, the rise and fall of Anakin/Lancelot.  4-6, Luke/Galahads quest to restore the kingdom/galaxy, brings his dad back to the light just before he dies. 

The Battle of Endor even shadows the Battle of Camlann, with Anakin taking a dual role to mimick Arthur's last battle.  (though they had been setting up Luke pretty hard to take that second role, what with yoda/merlin and all)

Now, whether it would have been better to have 3 movies setting up a one on one with the emperor in IX or the present compressed version is open to debate.   
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 03, 2013, 09:42:17 PM
Or, ya know, I was like 5 back then.  If I'm wrong, show me. 


Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 03, 2013, 09:52:26 PM
And I was in my teens, heard it all a million times, but it was 35 years ago and I wasn't taking notes.


No, obviously Luke was just going to lay around crapping himself in the background for a few prequels while his dad had adventures and then got murdered by the traitor Darth Vader.  Remember that they weren't the same person yet, and it logically couldn't have begun as the story of a dead character or the villain who killed him.

-But if you've seen Star Wars and still want to spew that 'always' koolaide, that a movie about Luke was about the bad guy instead, I have nothing to say to you.  There is no always, and your post is invalid.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 04, 2013, 05:45:53 AM
I always think every story is about the villain, though. 

Even back then.

They're all piss poor movies if you focus on the (often one dimensional) 'heroes'. 

Especially in the radio drama.  Vader kicks so much more ass in the radio drama.  Despite not having THE VOICE. Should have never cut the torture scene.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 28, 2014, 07:00:31 PM
http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/25/5653858/star-wars-expanded-universe-lucasfilm-story-group (http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/25/5653858/star-wars-expanded-universe-lucasfilm-story-group)

Star Wars' Expanded Universe 'unified' by Lucasfilm to create 'consistent' story
By Dave Tach on Apr 25, 2014 at 5:30p @dptach


The Star Wars Expanded Universe: Past, Present, and Future (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUm0Lo6DL-E#ws)



Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy formed a "story group" that will oversee the Star Wars franchise's creative development spanning games, TV, films and more, according to a post today on the saga's official site.

The space opera's story began in 1977 with the release of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. Since then, Star Wars expanded to comics, novels, television shows, video games and more. The newly formed group will be responsible for overseeing universe's future, which will continue expanding with the upcoming Star Wars Rebels animated TV series and the Episodes VII-IX films, across various types of media.

The Lucasfilm story group's position is that the films and the animated Clone Wars series serve as the universe's canon, which it will oversee going forward.

"We have an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon," Kennedy said. "We're set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before."

The state of the Star Wars universe as it developed before the third trilogy was announced, however, needed to be addressed. Many tales set in the Star Wars universe took place after Return of the Jedi, the last chronological, canonical entry in the series. Those stories, which have become known as the Expanded Universe, will still exist but be referred to under the "Legends" title. According to the YouTube description of a video released alongside the announcement, the former EU content will be "unified like never before," while the story group will codify the upcoming narrative to be "consistent and cohesive" across mediums like comics, novels and video games.

Disney announced its $4 billion acquisition of Lucasfilm in October, 2012. By April 2013, Disney revealed that it was closing LucasArts, Lucasfilm's long-running video game subsidiary. The following month, Disney and Electronic Arts announced an exclusive, multi-year licensing agreement for the company to publish Star Wars games by BioWare, EA DICE and Visceral games. Earlier this month, Visceral vice president and general manager Steve Papoutsis announced that former Naughty Dog creative director Amy Hennig joined the studio as creative director for the studio's upcoming, unannounced Star Wars game.

For more on LucasArts, be sure to read our coverage of a GDC 2014 panel in which former employees looked back on the studio, whose credits include the Monkey Island series and various Star Wars games, including Star Wars 1313. You can watch the video above to hear the team at Lucasfilm discuss the future of Star Wars.

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I understand that means almost the entire EU is officially thrown out.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 29, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
Yep...Those books Lucas approved have just been officially tossed by Disney.  No other way they really could have gone, honestly.  Their hands would have been VERY tied if they'd tried to make sense of the books with anything they were going to do unless they threw it WAY out into the future.  (which wouldn't be a BAD idea, mind you)

I still have a slew of the old comics, and they don't make a lot of sense, but who cares? 

Slightly curious they didn't lump the official video games in with the animated series.  There was some real crap in the animated series, but also a lot of stuff that showed what COULD have been with the movies...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2014, 06:15:10 PM
Well you know, there was a sign of integrity there on Lucas' part - I'm sure that the reason he didn't make 7 and so forth when it was the original plan was that the EU painted him into a corner, and ignoring EU would have been going back on his word about cannon.

Sell the company and it's someone else's problem, and he might get to watch some new Star Wars, to boot.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on April 29, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
Meh. As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars consists of three movies that came out starting in 1977, and are the originals. before Lucas started messing around with them. Everything else is extra, of greater or lesser quality.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
The whole thing lost its way a long time ago, that's for sure.

FUN!  ADVENTURE!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on April 29, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
The problems started when it began to take itself seriously.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
EXactly.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2014/04/29/star-wars-episode-vii-movie-cast-announcement/8462477/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2014/04/29/star-wars-episode-vii-movie-cast-announcement/8462477/)
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Ford, Fisher, Hamill join newcomers in 'Star Wars' cast
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Disney announced the cast of "Star Wars: Episode VII" on April 29. The list includes the original Luke, Leia and Han as well as a few new faces. Here, director J.J. Abrams, center, meets with the cast, including Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Max von Sydow, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and Kenny Baker.


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Adam Driver, perhaps best known for his part on HBO's "Girls," will be joining the cast.


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The cast will include Oscar Isaac, who starred in last fall's "Inside Llewyn Davis" alongside Driver.


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Andy Serkis is perhaps best known for his motion-capture characters: Gollum in "The Lord of the Rings" and "Hobbit" movies and Caeser the ape in the recent "Planet of the Apes" movies.


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Irish actor Domhnall Gleeson previously appeared as Bill Weasley in the final two "Harry Potter" films.


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The cast will also include veteran actor Max von Sydow, who was nominated for an Oscar in 2012 for "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close."


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British actor John Boyega has already battled aliens in the 2011 film "Attack the Block."


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Daisy Ridley is a relatively unknown actress. She has only seven credits on her IMDB profile. She's probably about to get a lot more famous.


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Favorites from the original trilogy will also be a part of the new sequels, including Han Solo himself, Harrison Ford.


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Carrie Fisher will be back as Princess Leia.


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Mark Hamill will reprise his role as Luke Skywalker.


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Anthony Daniels has played droid C-3PO in all six "Star Wars" movies so far and will be back for another.


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C-3PO's constant companion, R2-D2 will be in the sequel, played by original actor Kenny Baker.


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Peter Mayhew will return as the furry wookiee, Chewbacca.


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Disney announced the cast of "Star Wars: Episode VII" on April 29. The list includes the original Luke, Leia and Han as well as a few new faces. Here, director J.J. Abrams, center, meets with the cast, including Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Max von Sydow, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and Kenny Baker.(Photo: Lucasfilm)



Han, Luke and Leia are back, and they're bringing company.

Original Star Wars stars Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher officially returned to George Lucas' galaxy far, far away with an official announcement from Lucasfilm and Disney on Tuesday.

The three actors, plus returning actors Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker, are part of the large cast of the upcoming Star Wars: Episode VII movie, which will also feature John Boyega (Attack the Block), relative newcomer Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver (Girls), Oscar Isaac (Inside Llewyn Davis), Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson (About Time) and Max von Sydow. They begin filming in London next month.

"We are so excited to finally share the cast of Star Wars: Episode VII," says director J.J. Abrams. "It is both thrilling and surreal to watch the beloved original cast and these brilliant new performers come together to bring this world to life, once again. We start shooting in a couple of weeks, and everyone is doing their best to make the fans proud."

Ford, Hamill and Fisher have been rumored to reprise their roles as lovable rogue Han Solo, Jedi master Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, respectively, for a while now, and presumably Daniels and Baker are returning as droids C-3PO and R2D2 (who were also a part of the prequel trilogy) and Mayhew as Chewbacca.

John Williams will also be returning as the Episode VII composer, filling the same musical role he's had since 1977's original Star Wars.

Reports have mentioned Driver as a possible villain in the new movie, and von Sydow — who played tyrannical Ming the Merciless in the 1980 Flash Gordon movie — may be joining him. Also of note: After being a part of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit movies, Serkis joins yet another geek-loved franchise.

Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan wrote the screenplay for Episode VII, which is being produced by Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy and Bryan Burk and is slated to hit theaters Dec. 18, 2015.
Max Von Sydow is the best possible news, aside from if Jar Jar Abrams went away.  Von Sydow will polish the turd they hand him until it shines, no matter what the part.

So long Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, et al...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on April 29, 2014, 11:27:39 PM
Max! Emperor Ming the Merciless!

Or don't you acknowledge that one, either?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2014, 11:44:07 PM
I acknowledge the LIVING BADWORD out of Flash Gordon (1980).

Flash Gordon By Queen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kCCLwEga8#)

 :salute: :bot: ;excite; ;nod :wave: :win: ;buttdance ;realdog ;hippy :unworthy: ;worship ;woohoo :1st: :danc:

Crank it up LOUD!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on April 30, 2014, 03:43:11 AM
I remember Max von Sydow as Liet-Kynes in the 1984 Dune movie. He also played Jesus, if I recall correctly.

Yikes, Mark Hamill has not aged well.  :o
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 30, 2014, 03:43:47 AM
Every word true.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 30, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
I've seen that girl in a horror short I believe.  VERY english accent, IIRC. 


Not really a lot to get excited about there, is it?  When 1-3 were coming out, you had people BEGGING to be part of it...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 30, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
Daisy Ridley looks like Natalie Portman, which is probably not a casting coincidence.

And make no mistake; Von Sydow will rock.  Other than that, yes, meh.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 30, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
short in question


Blue Season • Short Film - SCI-FI-LONDON 48 Hour Film Challenge on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/63567146)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 30, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
that work for anyone?  Looks like it TRIED to embed...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 30, 2014, 08:00:54 PM
Weird.  I don't think anything but YouTube and Daily Motion will embed.  Why is over my tech pay grade.

The link at the bottom does work, though...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 04, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
http://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-expanded-universe-canon/ (http://www.themarysue.com/star-wars-expanded-universe-canon/)
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The Star Wars Expanded Universe is Dead, Long Live the Star Wars Expanded Universe
The Mary Sue
by April Daniels | 12:30 pm, May 2nd, 2014


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So Disney has decided that they’re going to nuke most of the previously established Star Wars canon. I think this is as good a reason as any to finally bury the destructive concept of canon in fictional works. Note that this does not mean that I am against stories in continuity with each other, that’s not my position at all. I love continuity, and the story options that it enables. But even as I enjoy continuity, I don’t see why we should be judging stories as more or less significant than another on any basis but their merits. And that’s all canon does, it arbitrarily privileges some continuities over others. Why should we recognize that kind of a distinction? Why should we give a soulless corporate entity that kind of power over our culture? Because that’s what we’re really talking about here.

Canon is, at its root, only a way to designate this story as more important than that story, more significant, more “true.” The term canon, as applied to fictional works, initially came about as a manner to draw a distinction between the Sherlock Holmes stories written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and fan works that used the same characters. It was initially more or less a joke, a way of reifying and exaggerating the importance of Doyle’s work when compared to his imitators.

But since that initial, half-in-jest start to the concept, it has gained an almost unholy amount of power. People started believing in this, as if it somehow mattered. Arguments about canon have become one of the great plagues of fandom, a billowing swarm of cognitive locusts that threatens to swoop in and strip any conversation of fun at any time. Canon means that if someone writes a story in your favorite setting that you don’t like, and they have the mojo to get it declared canon by the mystic copyright fairies in the sky, that now they haven’t just told a story that you don’t like, they have defaced your childhood. And when that happens, especially to long running properties, the consequences can be dire once someone with a grudge gets in the writer’s seat.

Spider-Man used to be a good comic, but then the Clone Saga kneecapped it, and it’s never recovered. For the next twenty years, Spider-Man lurched from half-baked story to the next as different writers and editors fought a decades-long battle about what deserved to be canon in Spider-Man. At one point we found out his origin story wasn’t true, and he was actually possessed by a mystical spider ghost. Then there was the time he made a literal deal with the devil just so that the writer at the time could give a big middle finger to the parts of Spidey canon that he didn’t like. So now the Spider-Man comics are a wasteland, the narrative equivalent of a landscape the day after a nuclear war. The most interesting Spider-Man stories of the past 20 years have been the ones that happened after Peter Parker was dead.

And it doesn’t necessarily hurt just a single storyline, or set of characters. It can corrode and disrupt entire companies. Witness the slow, lingering demise of DC Comics: death by canon misfire. The New 52 has been a catastrophe, a wholly unneeded self-inflicted wound premised entirely on the notion of designating one continuity to be more important than another. They had to kill the old setting so that the new one could be canon, because like the Highlanders there can be only one, so why not have a petty, destructive fight to the death, no matter how much carnage that leaves strewn across our cultural landscape? (And of course, predictably, DC began chickening out almost immediately and started seeding escape hatches to let them bring things from the old canon back into play. All this work and stress to satisfy the canon fairies. It seems a waste.)

So now Episode II‘s “I don’t like sand” speech is canon, but Bastila’s fall to the Dark Side isn’t. Disney would have us believe that this means Anikin’s whining is more important than the actually touching and painful story in KOTOR. I’m sure Disney has all sorts of compelling financial interests in making such a stupid proclamation. I’m less clear about why any of us would care about their opinion on the matter.

No, really: why the hell do we care what Disney thinks about this? They don’t own Star Wars. We own Star Wars. They just hold the licences.

Go back, way back to the folklore and mythology that modern pop culture is descended from, and you’ll find stories of gods and monsters and heroes that simply don’t care about which one of them is “more true” than the others. Take Lilith, for example. In some tellings, she is the incarnation of sensual femininity. In others, she’s a bird-footed demon. In still others, she’s a hairy, intersex deity.

There are more modern examples of stories and settings which benefit from a disregard for canon. Neon Genesis Evangelion basically gave up on the concept of canon when they did End of Evangelion. The new movies they’re making to retell the whole series are a big, fancy gravestone to the idea that there is one way to view and understand that story. This gleeful disregard for which is the “real” telling of the tale hasn’t stopped it from being the most successful anime Gainax has ever produced.

Canon serves no narrative function. The cues and signals that creators can use to delineate one continuity from another are wholly unimportant to the actual quality of the stories contained within those continuities. What’s worse is that the modern concept of canon is almost entirely a tool of big business, used to privilege one of their product lines over the others, even as they make money on other, non-canon story-lines. Star Trek gave up on its 24th century setting years ago, but that hasn’t stopped the Star Trek tie-in books from continuing telling the story of, for example, Deep Space Nine long after the TV series stopped running. None of those works are canon, no, but the money from them still makes its way to Paramount.

So here we see how hollow canon has become: now it doesn’t even apply to all of the works created by whoever owns the copyright to the stories. When canon was created, it was a means to differentiate professional works from fanfic, but now, even work that isn’t fanfic, work that’s actually making money for the entities which hold the copyright, isn’t necessarily considered canon.

Please note: I have nothing against fanfic; I got my start writing in fanfic. But if canon at least had a function of distinguishing fanfic from professional work, then it might still be useful. But it doesn’t, and the fact that some (ignorant, blinkered, elitist) people deride tie-in fiction as “glorified fan fiction” kinda shows how arbitrary and meaningless the distinction of canon and non-canon can become when the ownership of copyright gets divorced from the actual people who created the stories in the first place.

So, so very much of our culture is now owned by corporate entities which consider them little more than assets to balance a ledger. To them, canon is only a tool that can be used to enhance one product line at the expense of another. It’s an absurd state of affairs to let someone else’s accountant tell us which stories we are supposed to pay more attention to.

This tragic farce has recently reached a crescendo with the story of L.J. Smith’s Vampire Diaries. L.J. Smith was a writer who hired by a company to do some work-for-hire writing to create a “Interview With a Vampire for Kids” series back in the early 90s. Then when the books blew up huge in the wake of Twilight’s success and they got a TV show, Smith and her publisher started having creative differences. Because it was a work for hire deal, the publisher owned the copyrights, and so they kicked her off of the series and brought in another to finish the series in her place. But then the publisher also cut a deal with Amazon to allow Amazon to sell licensed fanfic of the Vampire Diaries, so Smith started and selling novel-length fanfic of the series she created through Amazon’s Kindle store. Now many of the fans consider her fanfic to be the true continuation series, even though the copyright owners disagree. So which Vampire Diaries books are canon?

Answer: it doesn’t frakking matter. Fans continue to support both lines. Some say they’ll only read the stuff that Smith wrote, others don’t care either way. But the idea that one of the three Vampire Dairies continuities is the “true” one has been thoroughly discredited, and that’s a good thing. The fans will support whichever of the continuities they prefer, either because they have affection for the author, or because they like one more than the other, or maybe some of them will support all of them because they like all of them. That’s how it should be.

We should get rid of the concept of canon entirely, since all it does is give copyright holders (many of whom are immortal, inhuman entities which view us as nothing more than a resource to be exploited) a tool with which to exert control over our culture.

And it is our culture. We’re the ones who care about it, who find meaning in it. We’re the ones that give it life. We should be the ones who decide which parts of our culture we think are the most important. Not some boardroom where rich people decide what kinds of stories get privileged in our spaces. There’s a reason why fanon and headcanon are so popular these days; we’re getting sick of being told which fiction is “true” and which “false.” We’re getting sick of seeing the stories and characters we love being debased, spun off, re-branded, and mutilated.

This latest absurd declaration from Disney about what is and isn’t true in the Star Wars galaxy should be canon’s epitaph. Let it die. Let it all die. And when it’s gone, and we’ve danced around the pyre, let’s build something new in its place. Something better. Something we control.
A lot of hyperlinks in the text if you want to have a look where I found it...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on May 04, 2014, 05:28:29 PM
It helps the execution of a film a lot when you aren't actually trying to make your audience stupider by watching it, like Windows 8.  The original Star Wars films didn't have the most amazing stories, more that what they had was well played out. 

So there is hope for the Star Wars subculture.  It's apparently not hard to write something better than George Lucas.  And not to overdo it, but even home-made movies are better than the Star Wars remakes.  In fact there was a [poop]that I just
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 04, 2014, 06:26:23 PM
Just as well you didn't finish that story...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on September 26, 2014, 10:54:45 PM
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/See-How-Much-Different-Star-Wars-7-Stormtroopers-Look-Here-67394.html (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/See-How-Much-Different-Star-Wars-7-Stormtroopers-Look-Here-67394.html)

Look more like ye olde cylons. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 26, 2014, 11:26:15 PM
At the link:

(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/67394/_1411683297.jpg)

(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/67394/_1411683307.jpg)

...Looks like something from Dr Who...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on September 27, 2014, 05:35:06 AM
Tribute to the Original Cylon Centurions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYZcZSVYx3M#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on September 27, 2014, 05:39:31 AM
I'm probably REALLY overthinking this, but was it ever even addressed when the troopers STOPPED being clones and became volunteers?  (Luke was pestering his uncle about joining the academy at the start of episode 4)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on September 27, 2014, 09:30:56 AM
I'm probably REALLY overthinking this, but was it ever even addressed when the troopers STOPPED being clones and became volunteers?  (Luke was pestering his uncle about joining the academy at the start of episode 4)
That's not that big an issue.  Just let regular people sign up.  Cloning is probably expensive anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 27, 2014, 02:37:40 PM
I dunno how expensive the cloning is - but they're essentially slaves, and expensive to keep up when you don't need soldiers.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on September 27, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
I'm sure it's expensive because it's done infrequently on an out of the way planet by specialists. 
Title: Report: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens teaser trailer comes this week
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 24, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
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Report: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens teaser trailer comes this week (update)
Polygon
By Emily Gera on Nov 24, 2014 at 5:54a @twitgera


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The highly anticipated teaser trailer for Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens will release later this week, according to sources close to Slash Film.

The upcoming teaser will reportedly be shown in a limited number of theaters during the Thanksgiving holiday weekend, with a limited number of theaters participating in a "preview" for the film.

Support for this claim has also appeared on Reddit, with one user stating a 90-second teaser trailer for the film will debut in 100 theaters across the U.S. next week. According to the source, participating theaters will show the teaser ahead of every film this holiday weekend, and at every showtime. Additionally, Disney's Big Hero 6, from the same studio as Star Wars, will be the first film shown at the earliest showtime as part of this deal.

As was previously reported, principal photography has been completed on the J.J. Abrams-directed movie, which is set to hit theaters Dec. 18, 2015. Filming began in May 2014. Episode VII is set approximately 30 years after the events of 1983's Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi.

The Force Awakens will feature numerous returning characters from the original Star Wars trilogy, including Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Han Solo (Harrison Ford), Chewbacca (Peter Mayhew) and Princess Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher). Actors new to the series include Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Adam Driver and Max von Sydow. John Williams will once again compose the score for the film.

Update: Regal has confirmed ([url]http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7275535/star-wars-the-force-awakens-heres-where-you-can-catch-the-trailer[/url]) the trailer hits on Friday, here's the list of where you can catch it.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7274573/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens-teaser-trailer (http://www.polygon.com/2014/11/24/7274573/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens-teaser-trailer)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 24, 2014, 10:19:51 PM
Stupid name...sounds more like a prequel to the prequels. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Yitzi on November 24, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
Well, that sort of depends on what it means.  If the Force "awakening" is sort of like Planet's "awakening"...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 25, 2014, 12:45:52 AM
The midichlorians, tired of being slaves to the Jedi, and having failed to destroy them with their messiah/Vader begin taking over the weak minded, physically distorting them in the process and an army of deformed mindless slaves wreak havoc on the universe. 

Yes, my mind is that one tracked sometimes.

I've also never understood the whole "bring back balance" to the force somehow translated into destroying anyone practicing the dark side.  That's not balance as I understand it. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 25, 2014, 05:22:37 AM
Stupid name...
Yeah.  But whatever.  I'll wait for the trailer.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 04:26:44 PM
Wait no longer.

Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens Official Teaser Trailer #1 (2015) - J.J. Abrams Movie HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
I don't know that it says anything.  Get back to me with the next one.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 04:31:33 PM
Well, we know now that there's gonna be at least a few scenes on a planet that looks a lot like Tatooine, which isn't a great sign that it's going to be imaginative...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 04:33:10 PM
Oh, well I don't judge on imaginativeness.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 04:47:16 PM
You should.  The Empire Strikes Back took us to all new places, and it was best of the lot.  Revenge of the Jedi took us back to Tatooine, and it kinda sucked.  The Phantom Menace took us back to Tatooine, and not even Jake Lloyd's mother liked that one.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 05:08:40 PM
Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Black Friday Trailer 2015 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RsQd7hn9bg#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 05:17:08 PM
You should.  The Empire Strikes Back took us to all new places, and it was best of the lot.  Revenge of the Jedi took us back to Tatooine, and it kinda sucked.
I guess Empire Strikes Back did have higher production value.  Or as other people say, the last movie was about furry midgets.  I can't remember what they're called.  Ewoks.  That's not to say it might not be impossible to decently incorporate midgets.  They're still less irritating than Jar Jar.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 05:21:48 PM
Disagree with that last sentence.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plwVRYEQG_I#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on November 28, 2014, 05:33:46 PM
So by the sounds (heavy breathing), I'm guessing they took some of Khan's magic blood from Abrams' last Star Trek movie and gave it to Darth Vader and resurrected him?

Ghah. The only two reasons I have to see this movie are Harrison Ford and C3P0. And it'll either be on TV or Netflix, since I don't do theatres anymore.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
New Death Star, too, apparently...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on November 28, 2014, 05:41:59 PM
I really hope Abrams isn't counting on current fans not ever having seen the original trilogy and therefore ripping it off in terms of "reimagining" scenes and even the whole ending.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
At least his "style" is a better fit for Star Wars - I wish his a lot of success at this, both in hopes of decent Star Wars, and so maybe he'll lose interest in fouling Star Trek.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 05:50:33 PM
It's probably on Tatooine as an example of "drawing parallels".  Lucas guy gets his rocks off that way.  He'd rather make one movie sound like another as some kind of example of "art" than make any kind of story you can even remember.  I would hope Abrams doesn't go as overboard with it.  It happened in the Hobbit movie too.  It's stupid.  I'd much rather they make films that can stand on their own, and I can't believe the common people are so stupid as to appreciate the amount of it they're putting into films these days.

And back to imagination, I think the first prequel was pretty imaginitive, it's just dry as hell and doesn't have a story I could try put together to mention.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 06:02:23 PM
Well, having your older Luke with a beard and a robe, going all Ben, is almost mandatory, and in that context, wandering around the wilds of Tatooine fits, too.  The Star Wars movies at their best weren't all that much about things like characterization and relationships - they were -and this was by deliberate design and the nature of the thing, Star Wars being based in Lucas' love of the old Flash Gordon serials- fast-paced space opera action flicks that didn't give you a lot of time to think as they charged ahead full-bore.  A lot of what was wrong with the sequels was Lucas taking it so seriously - the pacing bogged down when they dwelled on character bits.

Again, this should tend to play to what little Jar Jar Abrams does well, for the same reasons he was all wrong for Star Trek.  I give it a maybe 50% chance that this will actually be sorta good.  Maybe.  Not much chance he's going to make the mistake of a slow-paced (pseudo) thoughtful Star Wars installment.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 28, 2014, 06:37:48 PM
My impression of the trailer:  Whole lot of eyerolling followed by holy cow, does the Falcon look good.  Too good.  Wait how far in the future is this and they're STILL using X Wings, which were outdated in episode IV (possibly retconned), and in the process of being replaced by B wings by episode VI (again, possibly retconned).  And the Falcon has always been a piece of junk, not all shiny/pretty. 


Worst moment: the ludicrous claymore lightsaber.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 06:43:15 PM
Looks dangerous to the wielder, don't it?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 06:44:03 PM
wandering around the wilds of Tatooine fits, too.
Doesn't anyone have more purpose in life than to wander around in the desert?  The Moses/Jesus thing gets old.  Moses and the Jews weren't holed up in the wastes by choice.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
Wellll - it was kinda set up in Phantom Menace, with a young Obiwan looking rather like Luke with even stupider hair - a sense of symmetry sorta demands bringing it full circle when you move into the future again.  If Lucas was still doing it, of course he'd dwell on it to a sickening and dull degree, but lingering on anything isn't Jar Jar's way - although he may work in a Sydney Bristow cameo...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 06:57:15 PM
I didn't read in the wiki that Luke retired to the desert (at least in the comic), and it wouldn't make any sense for him to.  Obiwan would (I suppose) be there out of exile.  But with the Empire on the backburner, Luke would be in an involved role.  If nothing else it would be at odds with his responsibilities as a spiritual leader (high Jedi).
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 28, 2014, 06:59:12 PM
Looks dangerous to the wielder, don't it?

looks completely unusable with no point to the modification. 

International trailer looks better.  more shiny boom, less thinking is DEFINITELY the way they need to play this.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 28, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
I didn't read in the wiki that Luke retired to the desert (at least in the comic), and it wouldn't make any sense for him to.  Obiwan would (I suppose) be there out of exile.  But with the Empire on the backburner, Lucas would be in an involved role.  If nothing else it would be at odds with his responsibilities as a spiritual leader (high Jedi).

Guessing they have to go back for a mcguffin, not because Luke is sequestered there. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
As I keep saying - that would play exactly to Jar Jar's demonstrated storytelling instincts.  Get in, boom boom, get out, nobody gets hurt - (except the ones who got blown up).

These are going to have the huge advantage over the prequels that we don't go in knowing how it will wrap up - something that Lucas handled exactly wrong, constantly foreshadowing Darth Skywalker's heel turn that we already knew was going to happen.  That's boring.  The way he should have played it was constantly confounding our expectations for the future Vader - all heroism and even charisma, building the tragedy of his going bad by making us like him up until the end.  We were told Annikin was a hero - not shown enough to make it stick.  You don't remember the action sequences when you think of Annikin, so much as you think of red eyes and Hayden Christensen's sulky-face.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
I didn't read in the wiki that Luke retired to the desert (at least in the comic), and it wouldn't make any sense for him to.  Obiwan would (I suppose) be there out of exile.  But with the Empire on the backburner, Luke would be in an involved role.  If nothing else it would be at odds with his responsibilities as a spiritual leader (high Jedi).
Luke establishes the Academy on Tatooine, for all we know.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 07:26:45 PM
Luke establishes the Academy on Tatooine, for all we know.
Nice try.  Tatooine is a backwater. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
Yes.

So?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 08:25:57 PM
Yes.

So?
It doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
Why do you assume a dusty, dangerous, out-of-the-way hellhole is a bad place to train Jedi?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on November 28, 2014, 08:38:42 PM
Why do you assume a dusty, dangerous, out-of-the-way hellhole is a bad place to train Jedi?
Because even if you have the time and advisability to send advanced trainees there it would be too out of the way for a central base of operations, which is why the academy was on Coruscant in the prequels.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 29, 2014, 03:28:37 AM
Starwars nerdom rumor is the excalisaber is not a cross-hilt, but rather exhaust for an unstable longer blade, noting the sparking effect the thing gives off. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on November 29, 2014, 04:09:45 AM
I don't care!
I'd love me one of them portable plasma cutters!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 30, 2014, 07:59:53 PM
Star Wars: Episode VII Trailer - George Lucas' Special Edition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v93Jh6JNBng#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 01, 2014, 07:32:22 PM
Lego Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU#ws)

I sense a trend emerging...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on December 01, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
That was rather awesome!

Hopefully, if there's any flaws in the film, they can fix it in the Lego version.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: BlaneckW on December 02, 2014, 04:31:07 AM
Hopefully, if there's any flaws in the film, they can fix it in the Lego version.
This.  watch TNG recut.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on December 02, 2014, 07:50:30 AM
I'm seeing all kinds of variations on that weird lightsaber. Somebody on another forum made one that either looks like an Advent tree or a hot dog stick that can roast a whole package at once.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on December 02, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
How about a rabbi with a light saber minora ?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 02, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Stephen Colbert Reacts to Star Wars Episode VII Trailer - Explains New Lightsaber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk9hd950-9I#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Yitzi on December 03, 2014, 12:54:44 AM
How about a rabbi with a light saber minora ?

Doesn't work; a proper menorah uses actual flame, not whatever's in a lightsaber.  (Sometimes synagogues put up electric menorahs as well, but those don't count as more than a public display*.)

*Which, admittedly, is a major component of the whole idea of the menorah: To publicly display and therefore advertise the events surrounding Chanukah.  But that's the only part that can be done with an electric one.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 03, 2014, 01:31:32 AM
-Lucas has certainly done things no more racially tone-deaf than a Jedi Rabbi stabbing Sith seven at a time.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on December 03, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Somebody on TrekBBS has an avatar of Han Solo wielding a menorah instead of a blaster.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 03, 2014, 01:38:33 AM
That reminds me...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Yitzi on December 03, 2014, 03:24:16 AM
Somebody on TrekBBS has an avatar of Han Solo wielding a menorah instead of a blaster.

He doesn't really seem the type..."hokey religion" could have been the catchphrase of the bad guys in the Chanukkah story.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 07, 2014, 08:32:09 PM
SNL Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens Teaser Trailer 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjOPTiuY5hI#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 13, 2014, 02:52:06 AM
Fer giggles showed my 12 year old the excalisabre.  He loves it.  Guess it works for, let's face it, the target audience.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 26, 2015, 03:46:40 AM
NSFW:

Hitler Reacts to Star Wars: The Force Awakens Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyMPdKNqtFg#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 01, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Harmy's Star Wars: Despecialized Edition v2.5 - Video Sources Documentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHfLX_TMduY#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on February 01, 2015, 11:31:28 PM
I think a disk(s) of light in a perpendicular rings of Saturn kind of way would have made a cooler guard.

I always get a kick out of those re-captioned Hitler rants.
"can't undo the fact that ... Jar Jar Binks exists."
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 01, 2015, 11:41:28 PM
It seems like Hitler should have gone into nerd comedy, and left off the mass murder. ;nod
Title: 'Star Wars' Stand-alone Movie to Star Felicity Jones (Exclusive)
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 03, 2015, 09:32:41 PM
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'Star Wars' Stand-alone Movie to Star Felicity Jones (Exclusive)
Chris Weitz was just hired to write the new draft.
The Hollywood Reporter
by Borys Kit  10:47 AM PST 2/3/2015


([url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbnail_570x321/2014/09/felicity_jones_tiff_h.jpg[/url])
Felicity Jones   AP Images/Invision



After a series of hush-hush readings and tests, Lucasfilm and Disney have zeroed in on Oscar-nominated actress Felicity Jones for the female lead in the Star Wars stand-alone film.

Jones is now in talks to star in the project, which Gareth Edwards is directing and Chris Weitz — who was just hired last week — is writing. Weitz is replacing Gary Whitta, who penned the first draft.

Actresses were meeting, reading and testing last week in Los Angeles for the role, with Tatiana Maslany and Rooney Mara among those in the mix.

The secrecy surrounding the project is thicker than the mists of Dagobah, and it is even unclear which character the stand-alone is focusing on. Sources say that Aaron Paul and Edgar Ramirez are on the interest list for the male lead.

Disney had no comment.

The movie has a release date of Dec. 16, 2016.

Jones is currently making the awards season rounds for The Theory of Everything, for which she snagged a best actress Oscar nomination for her portrayal of Jane Hawking, the first wife of physicist Stephen Hawking.

True Story, in which she stars with James Franco and Jonah Hill, just premiered at Sundance, and she is also shooting A Monster Calls, a family fantasy directed by J.A. Bayona that also stars Liam Neeson and Toby Kebbell.

She is repped WME.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-stand-alone-movie-768582 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-stand-alone-movie-768582)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on February 04, 2015, 03:11:17 AM
standalone?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 04, 2015, 03:15:18 AM
This is the very first I've heard of it.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 05, 2015, 08:33:36 PM
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/0XQDfwwiZsFlZhVf0fRfsw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MzczODtjcj0xO2N3PTU2MDc7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTcwMDtpbD1wbGFuZTtxPTc1O3c9MTA1MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2015-02-05/6de1ffe0-ad64-11e4-9b02-354a70de0518_h_51782821.jpg)
Visitors take picures of a snow sculpture of depicting Star Wars displayed at the 66th Sapporo Snow Festival venue at Odori Park in Sapporo, northern Japan, February 5, 2015. (EPA/KIMIMASA MAYAMA)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on February 06, 2015, 03:24:13 AM
Impressive.  Most impressive. 

(sorry)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 06, 2015, 03:30:52 AM
It IS  impressive, Darth Uno.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 10, 2015, 03:07:57 AM
Leaked Star Wars Episode VII Filmset Footage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snph22qSUMU#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on February 10, 2015, 03:39:52 AM
I love that imperial cruiser in the background about 40 seconds in!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on February 10, 2015, 04:38:22 AM
I love that imperial cruiser in the background about 40 seconds in!

Yeah. I like the little details on the 'starport' buses driving around near the grounded shuttles.
Title: ‘Star Wars: Episode VIII’ Gets Release Date; Spinoff Movie Called ‘Rogue One’
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 13, 2015, 02:36:03 AM
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‘Star Wars: Episode VIII’ Gets Release Date; Spinoff Movie Called ‘Rogue One’
New attractions at Disney parks to
Variety
March 12, 2015 | 10:18AM PT


(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/112814_starwars_theforceawakens4.jpg?w=670&h=377&crop=1)



Disney and Lucasfilm have announced details of the upcoming “Stars Wars” films at its annual shareholders meeting in San Francisco.

Rian Johnson has also been confirmed to write and direct “Star Wars: Episode VIII,” which will hit theaters May 26, 2017.

Gareth Edwards’ upcoming standalone film, starring Felicity Jones, will be called “Rogue One.” The movie starts filming in London this summer and opens Dec. 16, 2016.

“Rogue One,” based on an idea by Oscar-winning vfx supervisor John Knoll, was written by “Cinderella” scribe Chris Weitz.

Kathleen Kennedy will produce the standalone film alongside Knoll, Tony To and John Schwartz.

Plot details of “Rogue One” are unknown.

Edwards’ spinoff movie is one of two known “Star Wars” spinoffs in the works at Lucasfilm and Disney. Director Josh Trank (“Chronicle”) is developing another top secret feature.

It’s unclear how both spinoff features will play into the upcoming seventh chapter “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” if at all. Speculation has Edwards’ and Trank’s movies focusing on the early days of original characters Princess Leia and Han Solo.

The J.J. Abrams-directed “Force Awakens,” which opens Dec. 18, features original cast members Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher as well as newcomers like John Boyega and Adam Driver. It will take place 30 years after 1983’s “Return of the Jedi.”

Disney is banking heavily on the “Star Wars” franchise after acquiring Lucasfilm in 2012 for $4 billion. The studio is also planning “Star Wars”-themed attractions at Disney parks across the globe.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-gets-release-date-spinoff-movie-called-rogue-one-1201451449/ (http://variety.com/2015/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-gets-release-date-spinoff-movie-called-rogue-one-1201451449/)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on March 15, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
http://epicstream.com/news/Disney-To-Release-Original-Unaltered-Cut-Of-Star-Wars-Trilogy-On-Blu-ray (http://epicstream.com/news/Disney-To-Release-Original-Unaltered-Cut-Of-Star-Wars-Trilogy-On-Blu-ray)

Original theatrical releases?  Awesome (and no brainer cash cow) if true.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 15, 2015, 04:17:56 PM
(and no brainer cash cow)
QFT
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
TIE Fighter - short film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on March 28, 2015, 02:22:55 PM
Long Live the Empire! ;rockon
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2015, 09:27:10 PM
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Official Teaser #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs#ws)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on April 17, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
Couldn't they fit new clothes on ol' Solo? ;lol ;q;
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
He hasn't had them off since the 80s, not being in the habit of bathing...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on April 17, 2015, 06:04:35 PM
I didn't want to know that. :(
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 15, 2015, 03:15:15 AM
As always with Hitler rants vids, a bit of NSFW in the captions.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyMPdKNqtFg#)

For all I know in the German soundtrack, too.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 04:30:58 AM
I'm all for more star wars films, how cool to give my daughter the experience of seeing something like this in theatres.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:10:55 AM
You tell us.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:19:15 AM
She actually has a very keen interest in space, and asked me for a telescope so we could look at stars.  We also discussed getting her the Kerbal Space Program, but I decided she's too young for that yet.

I love that things like this exist that can both pique her interest and excite her creativity.  I feel like a good parent when she asks me something like "what is a cylindrical capsule?" because she overheard it in a monn-landing documentary.  The fact that Star Wars has a princess only adds to the fun for her.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:29:20 AM
Uno Kerbals - good thread in Other Games...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:31:03 AM
I saw, UnO's got some big rockets...

Would be curious as to the learning curve of that game when I get a 'round tuit
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:46:56 AM
It sounds/looks awesome.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:47:58 AM
I'll admit to watching a lot of Scott Manley tutorials about it.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 06:24:02 AM
I watch a lot of Uno posts about it.  Me and Geo luvs the Uno Kerbal paostz.
Title: 'Star Wars' Anakin Skywalker Arrested After Crazy Car Chase
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 21, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
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'Star Wars' Anakin Skywalker Arrested After Crazy Car Chase
6/21/2015 8:03 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF


EXCLUSIVE
([url]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/06/21/0621-jake-lloyd-anakin-skywalker-2.jpg[/url])



Jake Lloyd, the actor who played the young Anakin Skywalker in "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace," was arrested, TMZ has learned, after an insane car chase that ended when Jake plowed into some trees.

Cops say Lloyd was driving in Charleston, South Carolina, when Sheriff's deputies began pursuing him.  The chase was underway and it went on for miles, into another county. 

Deputies say Jake began passing cars on the double yellow line and began driving recklessly, at high speeds.

Cops say eventually Jake lost control of his car, which ran off the road, through a fence and into a wooded area where it struck several trees.

The 26-year-old who also starred in "Jingle All the Way" was arrested for reckless driving, failure to stop, resisting arrest and driving without a license.

He's currently in custody.


Read more: [url]http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/#ixzz3djMVqOIc[/url] ([url]http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/#ixzz3djMVqOIc[/url])
http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/ (http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/21/jake-lloyd-star-wars-anakin-skywalker-arrested-car-chase-south-carolina-jingle-all-the-way/)

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Does it occur to anyone else that he grew up to actually look more like Darth Skywalker should than the prettyboy they mistakenly used?  Not the scowl and the sinister little whiskers, either, but hella-lot more like he could grow up to be Luke's dad, and, provided good grooming and a smile, potentially a FAR more convincing hero that Cristiansen's brooding punk?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on June 21, 2015, 09:53:05 PM
I watch a lot of Uno posts about it.  Me and Geo luvs the Uno Kerbal paostz.

I merely read them. No emotion comes into play. ;liftoff
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 21, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
 :luv: ;liftoff :luv:
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on June 21, 2015, 11:35:58 PM
I saw, UnO's got some big rockets...

Would be curious as to the learning curve of that game when I get a 'round tuit

Depends on what yer doin, I think.  Haven't tried the actual tutorial in game in ages, but you can install mechjeb (mod) to make it REALLY easy to fly. 

I have never gotten a plane to work, but rockets are fairly simple to do, but difficult to do efficiently. 

Launching to orbit should be easily grasped. 
Landing on the mun can get tricky. 
Obtaining a specific orbit requires an understanding of the mechanics involved.
Docking with a space station can require serious skills and patience.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 21, 2015, 11:39:37 PM
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([url]http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/06/21/0621-jake-lloyd-anakin-skywalker-2.jpg[/url])


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Does it occur to anyone else that he grew up to actually look more like Darth Skywalker should than the prettyboy they mistakenly used?  Not the scowl and the sinister little whiskers, either, but hella-lot more like he could grow up to be Luke's dad, and, provided good grooming and a smile, potentially a FAR more convincing hero that Cristiansen's brooding punk?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on June 22, 2015, 04:14:19 AM
Yeah, I thought that as soon as I saw the pic before reading your post. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 22, 2015, 05:05:15 AM
;nod

I never understood why geeks hate him so - what was wrong with that movie, including his casting, was not his fault.  LUCAS decided to start way too young.  He just showed up and said his lines...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 23, 2015, 12:29:47 AM
Well, this here's a lot more Darth and less Skywalker...

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/06/22/0622-jake-lloyd-mugshot-1.jpg)

Still a better look for halfway through Return of the Sith and on.  -And still looks a lot more like he could be Luke's dad...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 23, 2015, 12:32:27 AM
Or Luke's son, come to think of it...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Geo on June 23, 2015, 07:45:25 AM
Give him a role on parole, and he might get reduction of his penalty. :P
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 23, 2015, 12:45:58 PM
If there's a Luke's son part, he obviously seems to be going through some personal problems, but seriously, I'd have a look at him - it'd be great stunt casting if he can act and no addiction issues looked likely to cause problems.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 01, 2015, 12:52:02 AM
Always remember and never forget:

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9kCCLwEga8&feature=player_embedded#)

 ;rockon
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 01, 2015, 01:11:14 AM
Belay that post - here's the entire album, which is pure win and does not get old in a hurry.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGrJcU-a6h0&feature=player_detailpage#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 01, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Here's side two.  Mylochka has it in vinyl somewhere.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGrJcU-a6h0&feature=player_detailpage#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on July 01, 2015, 03:20:28 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Anderson

I always wondered what became of Dale. I often forget that with the internet, I can find out.
So she did something useful with her life, too.  8)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 01, 2015, 03:24:47 AM
Showbiz sux, so good for her.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 06:26:38 PM
&^%$#@! innerwebs ate the whole post while I was waiting for the second gallery pic to load in another tab.  People need to get their &^%$#@! page-coding skills in order, because this crap borks up my entire machine for five-ten minutes at a stroke sometimes.  It's always the &^%$#@! ads doing it.  I need to find a good adblock.  Three &^%$#@! minute copy/paste job has taken 45 minutes so far.  $#@!

I have gotten an OBSCENE amount of work done on Uno's MoonO'Lantern while I waited for pages to load.  Pics to follow when I get the last caption, finally.

-About TWO HOURS in the end - never again, EW.
Title: 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens': 12 exclusive EW looks at the new galaxy
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2015, 06:30:21 PM
'Star Wars: The Force Awakens': 12 exclusive EW looks at the new galaxy


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/11/ep7-00000-1377-1378-001.jpg)
Kylo Ren (played by Adam Driver) strikes a pose with his homemade lightsaber. It turns out, his true identity has been masked from us in more ways than one


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1439323833/EP7-34101-1377-1378-05_1.jpg)
After a violent escape, John Boyega's Finn runs from the wreckage of a TIE fighter, afraid, desperate, but lucky to be alive.


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1439323833/EP7-30985-1377-1378-04_0.jpg)
Rey (Daisy Ridley) meets up with BB-8 while cutting him free from a fellow scavenger’s net. But what is that large creature — and who is riding atop it? (More on that later.)



(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-128464-1377-1378-11.jpg)
Old friends, but in a new time and place. R2-D2 seems to have hardly changed, but C-3PO (played by Anthony Daniels) now sports an unexplained red arm.


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-38176-1377-1378-07.jpg)
Squad goals. Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and a team of merciless First Order stormtroopers lay waste to a Jaku village.


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-22591-1377-1378-02.jpg)
Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux, a cruel leader of The First Order who craves to show the galaxy his might. (This image was briefly shown at Comic-Con but never released in detail until now.)


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1439323833/EP7-38369-1377-1378-08_1.jpg)
Inside this shimmering armor is a warrior for The First Order, Captain Phasma (played by Gwendoline Christie of Game of Thrones). Her character's name has an unexpected origin...


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-38539-1377-1378-09.jpg)
Director J.J. Abrams relaxes on the set of The First Order's Starkiller Base with his co-writer Lawrence Kasdan (The Empire Strikes Back). Note the dark red script pages in Kasdan's hand, a security measure to prevent copying.


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-115525-1377-1378-10.jpg)
There's a reason the X-Wing fighter is black, but J.J. Abrams wants to keep that a mystery for now. Stealth tech? This is another previously seen shot from the Star Wars Celebration fan event in April.


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-34568-1377-1378-06.jpg)
Director J.J. Abrams and actress Daisy Ridley in a previously released behind-the-scenes shot. Abrams was recruited to join the film when Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy asked him a question about another young Star Wars desert-dweller...


(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/ep7-175875-1377-1378-01.jpg)
"Chewie, we're home." Entertainment Weekly's Star Wars: The Force Awakens report will include the story of Harrison Ford's emotional first day on set.

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/2015/08/12/cover-ew-13771378-swvii_459x612.jpg)
For even more behind-the-scenes with Star Wars: The Force Awakens, pick up the new issue of Entertainment Weekly on newsstands or buy it here (http://backissues.ew.com/storefront/subscribe-to-entertainment-weekly/link/1031442.html).  Image Credit: Lucasfilm



http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery/2274178_clone-gallery-star-wars-force-awakens-storm-troopers (http://www.ew.com/gallery/star-wars-force-awakens-first-look-gallery/2274178_clone-gallery-star-wars-force-awakens-storm-troopers)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 02:26:04 PM
Two hours and I can't pull any comments?   $#@!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on August 14, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
Starkiller....my minds not here today, I know I've heard that before. 

X wings are a dumb idea, frankly.  Canonically they were old piles of crap in the original series, and by Jedi the Rebels were moving to B wings.  That they are still around in any numbers is just silly. 

General Hux looks like he's attempting to channel some of Major Toht's look.   
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
Luke's original last name in the early drafts. ;nod
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2015, 11:43:32 PM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/20293_1644161575827808_4158401408961796039_n.jpg?oh=4aab0f75f4de545c0cb9935a3222a331&oe=5678E103)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: DrazharLn on August 16, 2015, 12:43:41 AM
&^%$#@! innerwebs ate the whole post while I was waiting for the second gallery pic to load in another tab.

Public service announcement: Lazarus Form Recovery (https://www.google.com/search?q=lazarus+form+recovery) is a fantastic extension for chrome and firefox that saves your entries in web forms (like forums) as you type them so that if you accidentally press back or the connection dies or whatever you can just open the same page and do right click>recover form. It's saved me a lot of re-typing through the years.

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People need to get their &^%$#@! page-coding skills in order, because this crap borks up my entire machine for five-ten minutes at a stroke sometimes.  It's always the &^%$#@! ads doing it.  I need to find a good adblock.  Three &^%$#@! minute copy/paste job has taken 45 minutes so far.  $#@!

Is this a problem with our forum or somewhere else? uBlock is the best adblocker for firefox or chrome that I know of.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 12:59:37 AM
I'm in IE, and I'm pretty sure my sluggish machine isn't helping, but I don't think it's AC2.  Spare me the browser snob speech, too; most people use IE, so I have to to see what they see here onsite.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on August 16, 2015, 01:02:07 AM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/20293_1644161575827808_4158401408961796039_n.jpg?oh=4aab0f75f4de545c0cb9935a3222a331&oe=5678E103)

That official?  They need to leave the old man off. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 01:09:13 AM
It's totally alleged to be official by about a million entertainment and geek sources today.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 16, 2015, 01:16:10 AM
Unless it's animation, I generally don't like to get glimpses behind the scenes, or unedited film.
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Some films, Star Wars in particular, I go to see to shut out the outside world, and immerse myself. I don't want to  know where the second unit was before I see the credits. I don't want to be thinking "How did they do that?"  or "When do we see that setting or sequence I saw in the photos?" I want to be thinking about "How are the rebels going to get out of this jam?!"

So for those kind of reasons, I rarely open this thread. I do love the series.

I came to contribute a tidbit- At an exclusive event at Disney-

"Bob Iger stuns the WDS presentation crowd to announce 2 14 acre Star Wars lands for Hollywood Studios and Disneyland "

"Announced two headliner rides at new land. Including one where u fly the Millenium Falcon."

"Also all restaurants will b inhabited by SW universe characters!"
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: DrazharLn on August 16, 2015, 01:17:46 AM
offtopic:

I'm in IE, and I'm pretty sure my sluggish machine isn't helping, but I don't think it's AC2.  Spare me the browser snob speech, too; most people use IE, so I have to to see what they see here onsite.

Wasn't going to snob at you. Most polls put chrome ahead as the dominant web browser, though IE is usually second for the desktop market. I don't know what the stats are like for AC2. I'd guess our mix skews more to older windows users on outdated machines than the norm, though, so you could well be right that most AC2 users use IE.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 01:22:38 AM
My DL is in Chrome, for what that's worth - it's FIREFOX that screws up here, for some reason.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: DrazharLn on August 16, 2015, 01:28:40 AM
DL?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2015, 01:45:51 AM
Double Login.  BU Admin.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: DrazharLn on August 16, 2015, 02:24:56 AM
 ;b;
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 13, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 20, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Trailer (Official) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on October 20, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
Yeah...I'm a bit lost.  They need to release the opening crawl to give some perspective. 

People no longer believe in Jedi or Force, etc?  Even tossing out the EU, WTF has Luke been up to? And why the proliferation of the Empire that was supposedly defeated?  (remember, the whole super special edition endings are canon, now, with coruscant tearing down Palpatine's statue and rejoicing in freedom, otherwise would have made a lot of sense to say Jedi was just a BATTLE victory) 

Not a huge fan of old man solo having more than a cameo, which it sounds like he does, and the Falcon, while iconic, has no business still running.

Apart from that:

The Heroine looks like a good choice thus far, both character and actress. 

Not yet sold on the hero.  Character or actor.  On the surface, Storm Trooper turning good can work...but it's got a lot of pitfalls as well.  And the Actor looks like he's TRYING so hard in every shot so far, but they might just be unfortunately clipped out of context. 

Similarly, Kylo Ren's mask...ok, it sucks.  And so does the lightsaber. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 20, 2015, 05:39:38 PM
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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on October 20, 2015, 07:45:42 PM
I personally do not think that any thing they come out with will please everyone.

It looks like it will be a pretty decent movie. But, I can tell it has that JJ-ish vibe to it and not a Lucas vibe by looking at the effects.

As far as the EU, I really do not care about a lot of the novels and other print  media that came out after RotJ and the prequels. I am gathering most mainstream geeks did not read them or maybe read one. Discarding them is a good idea. I mean, do you want Jaxxon Rabbit from the old Marvel Star Wars comics? Some stuff is kinda ridiculous in the EU.

Plus, if everyone already read the story, you end up with the one of the problems the prequels had. There was no tension because everyone already knew what happened.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Mart on October 21, 2015, 12:15:50 AM
... I mean, do you want Jaxxon Rabbit from the old Marvel Star Wars comics? Some stuff is kinda ridiculous in the EU.

I remember, when I was reading these stories for the first time, at the page I saw Jaxxon Rabbit, I seriously considered to quit reading the rest of it. Still, I have much of it to read, but this is not the same, as the story from these albums:
http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Pursuit-Classic-Star-Volume/dp/1569711097 (http://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Pursuit-Classic-Star-Volume/dp/1569711097)
There are 3 parts, and they were made based on original newspaper strips comics. Cause of that, the plot is very dynamic. And although not very good at places, overall I grade it very high.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on October 21, 2015, 03:41:25 AM
I personally do not think that any thing they come out with will please everyone.

It looks like it will be a pretty decent movie. But, I can tell it has that JJ-ish vibe to it and not a Lucas vibe by looking at the effects.

Decent, maybe.  That waits to be seen.  The design of Ren is still rather lazy. 

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As far as the EU, I really do not care about a lot of the novels and other print  media that came out after RotJ and the prequels. I am gathering most mainstream geeks did not read them or maybe read one. Discarding them is a good idea. I mean, do you want Jaxxon Rabbit from the old Marvel Star Wars comics? Some stuff is kinda ridiculous in the EU.

Plus, if everyone already read the story, you end up with the one of the problems the prequels had. There was no tension because everyone already knew what happened.



Like I said, I just want to see the opening scrawl.  It will explain what angle they are playing. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 06, 2015, 03:45:34 PM
「スター・ウォーズ/フォースの覚醒」予告編2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on November 06, 2015, 04:34:12 PM
So, anyone have any opinions on the whole "where's Luke" theories? 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on November 06, 2015, 05:34:08 PM
Mostly, I'm not looking at the clips, or reading all of the releases. I'm trying not to have expectations. Star Wars and Empire were epic. The rest of them, not so much, although they did provide a few dazzling special effects and movie moments, they don't really stand out on their own. They weren't really worthy of all of the advance sales, multi-hour line waits, and what not.

Maybe I'm old and jaded.

Maybe I've learned from experience.

I figure my best chance of enjoying this movie is by not anticipating it.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Valka on November 06, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
When it comes to Netflix, I'll watch it just for Harrison Ford. I enjoy him in pretty much anything he does. But to me Star Wars will always be that first trilogy that came out in the '70s and '80s, back when it was such a Major Event that people would line up for blocks outside the theatre. And that was also in the days before Lucas "improved" everything and consequently made it unwatchable.

As for the books, the original Star Wars novelization was really done by Alan Dean Foster, who also wrote an original Star Wars novel called Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I've read the novelizations of the first 3 movies, the Han Solo trilogy, and I've got some Lando Calrissian books here somewhere.

The rest of it isn't part of my Star Wars universe and I just ignore it. For me, it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 09, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/movies/star-wars-the-force-awakens-fans-are-already-lining-up.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/movies/star-wars-the-force-awakens-fans-are-already-lining-up.html?_r=0)

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LOS ANGELES – Marilyn Monroe and Freddy Krueger were trying not to look annoyed. But their mood was obvious on Monday afternoon as tourists paid little heed to the celebrity impersonators on Hollywood Boulevard, instead focusing their curiosity on more than 100 people camped out in the courtyard of the historic Chinese Theater.


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“We’re lining up for the new ‘Star Wars’ movie,” an Australian woman at the front of the queue, Caroline Ritter, told an incredulous-looking couple visiting from Ohio who stopped to inquire and take photos. “Yes, we still have a very long time to wait,” Ms. Ritter added. “No, we’re not crazy.”


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“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” will arrive at the TCL Chinese Theater Imax, as the site is now officially called, on the evening of Dec. 17 — meaning that Ms. Ritter and her fellow die-hards will have waited for 12 unwashed days before the first light sabers flicker to life. (They began to assemble here on Saturday afternoon.) The question, especially in the age of reserved movie theater seating, is why.

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Even with hundreds of opening-weekend show times for “The Force Awakens” already sold out, analysts predict there will be more than enough seating capacity on opening weekend. For instance, AMC Theaters, the second-largest multiplex chain in North America (behind Regal Entertainment), last week said that 1,600 opening-weekend screenings were sold out, but that 3.5 million tickets remained available. At least 36 AMC theaters will run “The Force Awakens” around the clock.

It’s just not like the old days, when movies were shipped on reels and people could buy tickets only at box office windows. Most theaters now sell tickets online — many offering reserved seating — and rely on digital projectors, which means the number of screenings can be more easily adjusted to meet demand.

But that’s missing the point, the “Star Wars” campers said Monday.

“At night you freeze and in the daytime you cook, but you come for the camaraderie and the chance to be a part of cinematic history,” said Erik Murillo, who was sitting in a lawn chair near two large plastic crates packed with supplies (clothes, food, a tent). “Besides, there are traditions to be upheld.”

The Chinese Theater holds a special place in the “Star Wars” pop culture galaxy. The first “Star Wars” movie was only booked into about 30 theaters in May 1977 in part because some executives at 20th Century Fox were skeptical of the film’s box office potential. Instead, swarms of people turned out; the throngs were especially large outside the Chinese, which has long been a symbol of Hollywood, helping to generate global news coverage.

Ever since then, particularly in 1999, with the arrival of “Star Wars: Episode I — The Phantom Menace,” camping out here became just another part of the pageantry that accompanies each “Star Wars” release. In 2005, in anticipation of “Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith,” fans started lining up at the Chinese six weeks in advance. (As it turned out, however, Fox had not booked “Revenge of the Sith” into the Chinese, so they were waiting in line for nothing; whoops.)



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“We made sure not to make that mistake again,” said Stefanie Vance, who was in line here Monday with her daughter, Amanda.

Theaters everywhere have been preparing for similar lines, advising fans in advance that costumes are fine, but masks, face paint and space weapons are not. Extra security will be in place at some theaters to manage crowds.

Here at the Chinese, the line experience is all very civilized, insisted Ms. Vance, who was dozing near a sign that read, “The line awakens!” There are rules — tents must be erected by midnight and dismantled by 6 a.m. — and there is a system that allows people to leave for short periods while keeping their place in line; fans take turns managing a clipboard system for checking in and checking out.

Everyone wears a name badge, and some fans created a line-related website. They even have a charity partner, Starlight Children’s Foundation, which is focused on helping seriously ill children and teenagers. (Those gawking tourists are encouraged to contribute to the foundation by sending text messages; some give cash on the spot.)

There is rarely a dull moment, however, on Hollywood Boulevard, land of roaming costumed characters, colorful panhandlers and the occasional person trapped in an alternate mental dimension. “The other night, somebody dropped off two live rabbits and disappeared,” Mr. Murillo said. “What are we supposed to do with two live rabbits?” (City employees were called to deal with them.)

Despite their intense fandom, the people lined up outside the Chinese do seem to have their limits. When a reporter mentioned that a Texas-centered theater chain was holding an endurance contest involving a marathon screening of the previous six “Star Wars” movies (no sleeping allowed), Ms. Vance made a skeptical face.

“That sounds unpleasant,” she said.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Nikolai on December 09, 2015, 09:23:12 PM
So I finished Lost Stars yesterday. First Star Wars book I've read, and I had a blast! :D Loved the book, and enjoyed it immensely.:)

In short: You follow two outer rim kids from their days dreaming of serving in the empire, which they think is the greatest thing ever, into their imperial academy days, further into the fight against the rebellion and their slow realization everything is not black and white. It really captured me! The way it neatly weaves in the events in IV to VI and covers the aftermath on both sides are really well done!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Rusty Edge on December 10, 2015, 11:24:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-z7bAfDBNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-z7bAfDBNo)

A short video ( 1:15 ) about a Jedi cat using a light saber. The most amusing thing I've seen today.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: ColdWizard on December 26, 2015, 03:13:38 AM
Best Star Wars ever. (I'm not a fan of the franchise, but the movie was enjoyable.)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 02, 2016, 01:44:07 AM
Ok...

We saw it today:

Best:  Kylo Ren is night and day better than Hayden's Vader at showing a young man falling to the dark side.

Worst:  Practically no back story, you're just expected to go with it. 

Watched with my entire family, so kids from 3 to 19.  They all enjoyed it. 

Better than the prequels, not quite up to episodes 4 and 5 in my book. 

I can be more spoilerific if people want. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on January 02, 2016, 03:41:36 AM
Best:  Kylo Ren is night and day better than Hayden's Vader at showing a young man falling to the dark side.

Absolutely. He's charming and sly, but also angry and unpredictable. So much more the passionate, emotion-fueled kind of character that the Dark Side is supposed to be all about.

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Worst:  Practically no back story, you're just expected to go with it. 

I didn't have a problem with this, except insofar as I would have liked a little more detail on the situation between the First Order, the New Republic, and the Resistance. I mean, we were thrown into the thick of things in ANH, and no one was bothered by that.

The worst for me was it trying to hit all the beats of the original. I think some of the comparisons are a little far-fetched (oh no there was desert in both movies!), but I agree with the overall complaint that after a while, you get tired of seeing the same general plot rehashed.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 02, 2016, 05:11:18 AM
I didn't have a problem with this, except insofar as I would have liked a little more detail on the situation between the First Order, the New Republic, and the Resistance. I mean, we were thrown into the thick of things in ANH, and no one was bothered by that.

The opening crawl set up ANH a hell of a lot better, and Ben was able to spoon feed key elements to Luke (and us) from there.  We got crappy crawl and no one to spoon feed us the rest. 

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The worst for me was it trying to hit all the beats of the original. I think some of the comparisons are a little far-fetched (oh no there was desert in both movies!), but I agree with the overall complaint that after a while, you get tired of seeing the same general plot rehashed.

If anything, it felt like they were just trying to be too safe. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on January 08, 2016, 11:51:04 PM
I felt it was overwhelmingly derivative, and where it deviated from the derivative it didn't work too well IMO; I like that they were brave enough to take the risk of making the primary villain so conflicted as to be ineffectual, but that left all the villain-work to a giant hologram, yet another generic white guy in Imperial uniform, and some chrome stormtrooper woman who barely showed up.  The villain trying so hard to be Darth Vader, and failing pathetically, felt like a metaphor for the movie itself.

With that said, it didn't have any of the horrid crap that annoyed me about the prequels, so I left the theater contented.  Low expectations FTW.

How sad is it that I reacted to Vonbach's picture by thinking, "Wait, Tarkin was dead before Veers entered the picture"?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on January 09, 2016, 01:17:33 PM
SPOILERS AHEAD, though if you care about SW at all you've already seen this beast.

Also, the plot of 7 required all of the old guard from 4-6 to first be grossly incompetent (effectively allowing the situation to deteriorate back to where it was at the start of 4), then, with the exception of Leia, abandon their moral responsibility completely.  Han and Chewie go back to smuggling--ineptly--while Han's kid is off murdering and torturing, and Luke disappears so completely that the new heroes spend the whole movie risking their lives just to find him.  Don't know where Lando went.  There really has to be a better way for them to transition to a new generation than to make the old one completely inept.  Maybe there's some backstory in the books, video games, and other related media that excuses them.  But I'm not inclined to go digging.

Also: Han's little encounter on the bridge.  Not cool, JJ.  Not cool.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 09, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
Maybe there's some backstory in the books, video games, and other related media that excuses them.  But I'm not inclined to go digging.

They've already blown most the EU stuff out of the water, so don't think much will help.  The lack of backstory bothered me the most.  Not just the old guard, either.  The rebels were better equipped in ROTJ

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Also: Han's little encounter on the bridge.  Not cool, JJ.  Not cool.
Best part of the movie.  Especially my 8 year old quipping "saw that coming" while half the adults were crying. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on January 09, 2016, 10:13:08 PM
Yeah, my wife noted how odd it was that they hadn't upgraded their military technology in thirty years, despite now being an established government and not a bunch of poorly-funded insurgents.

It's kinda sad that (IIRC) Kylo Ren kills exactly two people in the whole movie, and both of them are unarmed old men who aren't fighting back.  He does eventually disable a force-blind guy who's handling a lightsaber for the second time in his life, after much effort.  Then gets beaten by a girl handling a lightsaber for the very first time, and who doesn't even remember to use the force until the fight's almost over.  The rest of the time he's taking out his anger on machinery, which isn't "evil" so much as "a persistent nuisance to the maintenance crew."  Like a cat who won't stop clawing the furniture, only more so.  One hopes they don't allow him near anything too vital, like life support or the hyperdrive.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 11, 2016, 05:17:56 PM
Yeah, my wife noted how odd it was that they hadn't upgraded their military technology in thirty years, despite now being an established government and not a bunch of poorly-funded insurgents.

They didn't just NOT UPGRADE, they took a step backward.  Y Wings and X Wings were piles of junk in episode 4.  They were mostly replaced by A Wings and B Wings by ROTJ. 

That said, I understand the need to have the X wings as center stage, being the most iconic "Star Wars" visual, and I think there was some effort to make it appear they were upgraded X wings.  But, the complete lack of capital ships and only a couple dozen X wings being all they could muster from the "rebels" who according to the opening crawl, are now "Backed by the republic" was a little too far.  They COULD have easily explained a lot of this by having starkiller take out most of the fleet around one of the planets. 

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It's kinda sad that (IIRC) Kylo Ren kills exactly two people in the whole movie, and both of them are unarmed old men who aren't fighting back.

And yet the one was the most cold hearted and evil death in all of Star Wars. 

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He does eventually disable a force-blind guy who's handling a lightsaber for the second time in his life, after much effort.

I viewed that as him totally toying with Finn.

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Then gets beaten by a girl handling a lightsaber for the very first time, and who doesn't even remember to use the force until the fight's almost over.

Specifically trying NOT to kill her, but rather turn her to his side.  He was again handily defeating her, toying with her, till she "awakens". 

Both the above while wounded of unknown severity. 

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The rest of the time he's taking out his anger on machinery, which isn't "evil" so much as "a persistent nuisance to the maintenance crew."  Like a cat who won't stop clawing the furniture, only more so.  One hopes they don't allow him near anything too vital, like life support or the hyperdrive.

Ok, he's not SUPPOSED to be EVIL.  He's supposed to be UNSTABLE.  Falling to the dark side, yet unable to control it fully yet.  They went to several efforts to make the case HE'S NOT TRAINED.  This is an evil version of Luke from Empire Strikes Back here.  Sure, he's got some tricks and can do a few things, but he's not fully in control, and is still tempted by the Good Side. 

As for the temper tantrums, I thought they fit well to show the out of control young man, and were less troublesome than Vader's habit of knocking off every officer that looks at him cross-eyed. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: ColdWizard on January 12, 2016, 08:09:09 PM
They didn't just NOT UPGRADE, they took a step backward.  Y Wings and X Wings were piles of junk in episode 4.  They were mostly replaced by A Wings and B Wings by ROTJ. 

That said, I understand the need to have the X wings as center stage, being the most iconic "Star Wars" visual, and I think there was some effort to make it appear they were upgraded X wings.  But, the complete lack of capital ships and only a couple dozen X wings being all they could muster from the "rebels" who according to the opening crawl, are now "Backed by the republic" was a little too far.  They COULD have easily explained a lot of this by having starkiller take out most of the fleet around one of the planets.   

But it says "With the support of the Republic..." which could be as little as mere permission to resist the First Order. Presumably if the Republic felt the First Order was a threat, they would themselves be providing the resistance instead of outsourcing it. So with the war won, I would expect the bulk of the good Rebel equipment folded back into the Republic and the Resistance getting the remnants on an as-needed basis.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on January 13, 2016, 11:38:07 AM
I strongly suspect, given the hesitation and cryptic dialogue that preceded it, that Han's death was a Snape/Dumbledore deal of some sort, and that Han went out on that bridge expecting to die.

As for Ren, while his performance was much better than Christensen's, I think I'd find him much more interesting if I had any idea at all why he went to the dark side in the first place.  Okay, Snoke "seduced him."  That's a who, not a why.  Did he resent his parents for something?  Feel inadequate and sense that the dark side was the only way he would become powerful?  Lose somebody and want revenge?  Or is he just scared of Snoke?  I might like the character a lot more if I had any idea what was going through his head.

But he's like the rest of the movie: "This is like ANH, only with added twists and complications, whose significance we will not trouble to explain."  How did the original Rebels screw things up so badly?  Why are they only fighting the First Order through covert funding of another rebel movement?  Who the hell is Snoke, and why does he have such a silly name?  Why is Luke's location being passed around by such insecure means in the first place?  Who was that random old geezer from the beginning who acted vaguely important and significant before getting cut down?  Who is Rey waiting for?

Okay, we're all pretty sure the answer to the last is either "she's Luke's kid" or "she's Han and Leia's secret second kid," and the latter would also explain why Leia hugs her and disses Chewie.  And one way or another it's obvious they'll answer it in 8 or 9.  But flashbacks just don't fit in with the accepted SW storytelling style, so this in media res approach can only ever be resolved, if it is at all, with clunky and easily-missed asides or answers embedded in promotional books, etc.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 19, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
I just wanted to say Thrawn.  Has everyone seen the Rebels trailer already?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on July 19, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
nope.

edit:  Rebels = cartoon, right?

Or are you talking about the movie Rogue 1?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 19, 2016, 04:17:00 PM
Cartoon.  I'll go find you that trailer.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Spacy on July 19, 2016, 04:18:25 PM
Copy of it over at WPC, in the off topic titled Thrawn. 

It looks good. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 19, 2016, 04:24:52 PM
Buster's a big fan of that show - I've meant to ask if she knew about this...

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXp802sFgQ#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on July 19, 2016, 05:55:20 PM
I remember watching like the first episode and being 'meh'.  will check the trailer when I can. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Dale on July 20, 2016, 12:09:19 AM
Meh.  Call me when Thrawn isn't a cartoon.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on July 20, 2016, 02:19:12 PM
Hm. 

It seems at least a bare bones transition of the character.  But, as a cartoon villain, it will be hard for them to bring about the level of threat he presented. 

I also saw news Zahn is writing a new book to bring the character in-canon.  Not sure about THAT either.  I tried to read some other Zahn works, and got the impression his star wars series being good was the exception rather than the rule.  But a lot of that might be my intolerance of scifi reading. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 20, 2016, 03:12:31 PM
I think it was a Zahn SW novel that was the only one I ever read a bit of -something about a tall crimelord of a green-scaled species who had pheromones that made him attractive to humans- and I couldn't say why I was reading in the first place, or why I didn't read more; it wasn't bad or anything, if not terribly interesting...

I hate it when my machine's being sluggish and I spot a typo while posting -pheromone(s) needed to be plural- have to wait for it to finish and then wait to load the edit screen, edit and wait for it to post again...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on July 20, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
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I couldn't say why I was reading in the first place, or why I didn't read more; it wasn't bad or anything, if not terribly interesting...

That's my impression of most of his writing.  Even the original Thrawn series falls into that whenever Thrawn is not in there.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 20, 2016, 05:04:39 PM
Well, it's usually a bad sign that an author of any craft at all keeps doing the professional fanfic for long instead of thinking up their own sandbox.  This is certainly true of the Star Trek novels, of which I read absolutely everything -and most three times or more over the years- up to about 1988...

(Protip:  DO NOT miss reading The Final Reflection, and you'll have covered all truly great ST novels of my experience - though almost all of the rest are at least competent, if not terribly memorable.)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on July 20, 2016, 06:26:12 PM
He has original stuff out there.

I remember Warhorse fairly well.  Some space creatures an alien race tamed to use as ships, and the utter failure of humans to be able to bond with them because the human mind was too much predator.  It was tolerable.   

There was another I vaguely recall about aliens in ceramic ships that were killed by radio waves, so the very act of trying to communicate with them was declaring war.  I didn't finish that one...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 20, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
I'm trying to resist going into some grumbling about what I call 'paycheck books' and taking liberal swipes at Kevin J. Anderson.

-And I realize I misspoke in saying that was the only SW novel I ever tried to read - I think I reread, just a few years ago, the Star Wars novelization "by George Lucas" that Allan Dean Foster ghosted and I've talked (in this very thread?) about his Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which I understand was the very first professional SW fanfic, not counting a lot of Marvel comics.  -Both Foster's aforementioned books were mediocre, if you ask me, but that's Foster for you - he's not terrible.

-And again, hating that moment when I realize I'd dropped a word while the post is posting...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on July 20, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
I think it was a Zahn SW novel that was the only one I ever read a bit of -something about a tall crimelord of a green-scaled species who had pheromones that made him attractive to humans- and I couldn't say why I was reading in the first place, or why I didn't read more; it wasn't bad or anything, if not terribly interesting...

Might not be Zahn you're thinking of.  Shadows of the Empire was a whole pseudo-canon thing with a videogame and everything, circa 2000, that prominently featured such a character.  Zahn later wrote a book (Scoundrels, a young Han Solo heist novel) featuring one of his subordinates--I think it was a 2010 book or thereabouts, and the green guy played a relatively minor part.

I don't find Zahn irresistibly compelling, but he's pleasant enough as reading material when you don't want to do intellectual heavy lifting.  He has written a good deal of original stuff.  Angelmass was sorta fun (weird alien particles that have the power to induce moral behavior), and the Night Train to Rigel series (extremely silly, trains in space).  I think he does best when he's playing with SW, though.

I read all the SW books I could get my hands on until age 15 or so, when they got 15 years out from ROTJ and I said, "okay, that's far enough, guys."  I was later puzzled to read numerous scornful references to KJA--I liked his Jedi Academy trilogy!  Then I recalled that I was a big fan of Redwall around the same time.  Found a copy of one of the Jedi Academy books when I was subbing, and read two pages.  Gott in himmel.  It was like a scenery-chewing actor, but in print.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 21, 2016, 12:50:07 AM
...It's not exactly that Anderson can't write -he could never get away with some of the horrific creative decisions he makes if he didn't have a little craft at the spinning of the tale- but I can't really quite put a finger on it, so I'll just say "hack" and move on...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 21, 2016, 12:51:40 AM
Shadows of the Empire sounds exactly right, though, as far as I remember.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on July 21, 2016, 01:17:37 AM
SOTE took place between ESB and ROTJ; the plot revolved around the green alien wanting to kill Luke (to spite Vader) and hump Leia (to hump Leia).  Han was in carbonite the whole time, and his role was occupied by some schmoe named Dash Rendar who basically existed to be a carbon copy of Han without the interesting bits.

Scoundrels was a quirky little bit--basically a Star Wars version of Ocean's Eleven--where Han, Chewie, Lando and a bunch of other people got together to rob some guy's super-awesome-unbreakable vault.  Basically, if you remember Han being in the book, it was Scoundrels, by Zahn.  If you remember Luke being in the book, it was Shadows of the Empire, by some dude Lucasfilm hired to novelize their silly movieless movie tie-in cash cow experiment . . . thingy.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 21, 2016, 02:17:47 AM
I really didn't get but 20 pages in, if that - I don't remember the circumstances, maybe just standing in the bookstore and wasn't intrigued enough to buy, 'cause I probably would have finished it if I could have, but --- meh.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on July 21, 2016, 05:05:35 AM
Yeah, SOTE, not Zahn at all.  I think his first Thrawn trilogy was about the best thing he's written, and I enjoyed even the parts where Thrawn wasn't around.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 30, 2016, 03:12:42 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13256387_614841658665874_7886686679982749058_n.jpg?oh=063abafa0912428450c800db0b69e02a&oe=585BCC82)
I wonder if he really said that.  Much cooler, if true, and I've seen he is willing to have fun with the Star Wars fandom thing...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 30, 2016, 03:14:27 PM
the plot revolved around the green alien wanting to kill Luke (to spite Vader) and hump Leia (to hump Leia).
;lol, BTW.  -Joke nailed (presumably unlike Leia). ;b; ;leia
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on August 20, 2016, 12:21:33 AM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GdEXQ6Ulw8#)

Need to let these guys do a full blown movie...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Bearu on August 20, 2016, 11:27:18 PM
I find the new movies repulsive because the quality of material continues to plummet towards the level of the average American public.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on August 21, 2016, 03:57:36 AM
Totally. If I'm going to waste time with my friends, I'd much rather do it picking up power converters than watching the new movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on August 21, 2016, 09:20:12 PM
I've no idea what you mean there, B--the whole problem with VII was that it was so obsessed with replicating the feel of the OT that it failed to be anything more than a very expensive and well-made homage piece.  There was almost nothing novel in the whole thing.  And it was still far, far better than the prequels, so I don't see how decline figures into it at all.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 19, 2016, 03:49:41 PM
Attn: Uno

 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4dM0k3p1hY#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on October 19, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Matter of time before someone made a star wars version of that costume. 

In other news, Rogue One is looking surprisingly good, in that it seems to really capture the space adventure spirit better than anything since V.  However, I'm getting annoyed with what appears a continued proliferation of non-jedi force-using people being brought into the fold.  Blind magic stick dude is of an age he SHOULD have been in the Jedi academy prior to the destruction, though admittedly he might have a good backstory to explain his existence. You CAN make a star wars movie without any magic people. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 15, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on April 17, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
I'ma be my usual curmudgeonly self and say Rogue One's plot made no sense whatever, the action was filled with silly cliches (how do even stormtroopers manage to miss a guy kneeling over a dying companion for up to ten seconds, right in the line of fire, on two separate occasions?) and pretty much all of the characters were uninteresting.  Also, aforementioned blind stick guy was a silly zatoichi rip.  Not that SW isn't known for recycling tropes from other genres, but somehow just transposing a character directly didn't do it for me.  Bleh.  Between that and Ep. 7 I've finally given up all hope that any Star Wars project for the foreseeable future will rise above dumb 'splosionfests.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2017, 12:12:41 AM
dumb 'splosionfests.
Isn't that all SW was ever supposed to be, on some level?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on April 17, 2017, 12:50:00 AM
Not at all.  The first trilogy, at least, had a revolutionary approach to special effects combined with clever, inventive mashups of existing adventure tropes (and, yes, mythic archetypes).  The universe itself made no real sense, but it managed to be cool anyway.  Then came the prequels, which mixed inane "humor," tiresome political rubbish, rigid reliance on CG, incompetent directing, yadda yadda.  The newer ones have the look right, I suppose, but that's part of the problem--they're too reverent to the superficial aspects of the OT, with no apparent appreciation for the technique that made it work.  They actually remind me of Harry Potter movies, or any of dozens of other recent film adaptations of rabid fanboy brands.  When you watch one of those, you get the feeling that they weren't trying to tell a story so much as present a stream of film treatments of moments they knew the fans would demand, so that the end result is less a film than a filmed homage to a written work.  Same thing here, only instead of a written work you have a trio of vastly superior films.  Almost nothing in Ep 7 was not a direct copy of an element from a previous film.

How about, say, incorporating a new kind of adventure trope?  Podracing, for example, had the potential to be an interesting riff, before they put in Jake Lloyd and daft attempts at comedy.  Ben Hur with turbojets for horses--sure, it's dumb, but it's also kinda fun.  Even the silly gladiator beast-fight scenes from Ep II had the right general idea; I think the problem was that George Lucas had gotten too big a head to let other creatives veto his dumber ideas, the way he reputedly did with the OT.

Also, if nothing else, the OT had cool villains.  The only legitimately entertaining moments in Rogue One came at the very end, when Vader went on a rampage through the hallway and only got held up by the sheer number of corpses he was generating.  Because Vader was cool.  The Emperor was cool, with his gravelly voice and sinister leer.  Then came Darth Maul, who was fun to watch but had no personality, and (sigh) "Count Dooku," who fences for some damn reason and also has no personality, and General Grievous, who was a weird attempt to have Vader again but with TB.  And had no personality.  Finally, we have "Kylo Ren," who had a boring character design, a silly weapon, and a whingy personality he apparently inherited from his grandfather.  Blecch.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2017, 01:54:12 AM
It started as Lucas couldn't get the rights to Flash Gordon.

He seems to have forgotten that some time after the early 80s, and here we are.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on April 21, 2017, 03:11:14 AM
Rented The Hidden Fortress from the library today.  Might see if my five-year-old is interested in watching it tomorrow.  He sat through about half of Alexander Nevsky, after all.  I got bored before he did.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 21, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
Also, if nothing else, the OT had cool villains.

So much this.   

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The only legitimately entertaining moments in Rogue One came at the very end, when Vader went on a rampage through the hallway and only got held up by the sheer number of corpses he was generating.  Because Vader was cool.

I actually disagree with you there.  I thought the Darth Vader scene was silly tack on fan service.  But whats his name that wants to be Tarkin was rather pathetic.  What Rogue One did better than anything before is display the power of the Empire's army.  They weren't getting destroyed by teddy bears with some sticks for a change. 

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The Emperor was cool, with his gravelly voice and sinister leer.  Then came Darth Maul, who was fun to watch but had no personality

Maul was a missed opportunity who was SUPPOSED TO COME BACK FOR EPISODES 2 AND 3.  That leaked VERY early and Lucas wrote him back out to preserve the 'surprise' of his scripts.  That story ended up on the Clone Wars (which is canon), instead, and was quite well done.

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, and (sigh) "Count Dooku," who fences for some damn reason and also has no personality

Dooku is the best of the prequils IMO. He fences because he has to.  Again, those would have been much more entertaining with Maul in them acting as Dooku's bodyguard and Dooku throwing the occasional bolt of lightning.  Having a reformed Maul defeat Anakin and Obi Wan at the end of 2, nearly bested by Yoda so Dooku has to provide a distraction for their escape would have played SO much better, if only because Lee is too old to really pull off the lightsaber scenes.   

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General Grievous, who was a weird attempt to have Vader again but with TB.

Grievous was meant to foreshadow Vader's ability to stay alive as mostly machine.  (keep in mind the 'intended viewing is in numerical order).  My problem with him is he's ALWAYS RETREATING. 

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Finally, we have "Kylo Ren," who had a boring character design, a silly weapon, and a whingy personality he apparently inherited from his grandfather.  Blecch.

Frustated male teen angst = path to dark side.  I know, it sucks.  It's hardly unique to Star Wars. 

The weapon, I've warmed to.  Complaining on the weapon is equivalent of saying a claymore is silly when you have a broadsword.  I just look at it as an Kylo Ren attempting to compensate for his feelings of inadequacy....
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on April 21, 2017, 10:05:18 PM
Re: Ren, there were two big problems:

1. He was never fleshed out.  He had angst, for some reason, and this led him to the Dark Side.  What's his motive?  Dunno.  How did "Snoke" win him over?  Dunno.  Why is he angry at his parents?  Dunno.  He's just this sweaty, anxious, messed-up man-child who's never quite sure what he's doing or why.  A fitting emblem for modern youth, and I could have forgiven the straying from Jungian territory, but there really isn't any there there.  At some point in his unspecified past he decided to turn into a monster, and as of right now we have no idea why.  He doesn't even have Anakin's stupid mommy issues.  He's just a hot mess with a question mark on it.

2. He's profoundly ineffectual, which leaves the film devoid of interesting villains.  A hologram of Andy Serkis, a pasty guy in uniform with a vaguely Celtic accent, and a chromed lady stormtrooper.  I found it very hard to hate or be frightened of these people, no matter how many Nazi poses they struck.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on April 22, 2017, 08:00:04 AM
Wasn't arguing he was a good villain or that the film had any.  I'm hoping for some backstory at some point.  Considering the ground they had to cover, backstory was going to have to come later. 

I have plenty of speculation on backstory, but we'll see where they go. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on April 22, 2017, 01:45:00 PM
In ANH, the sum total of what we know about Vader is that he we seduced by the dark side of the force; betrayed and murdered Luke's father; is more machine than man now, twisted and evil; and is sadly devoted to an ancient religion. That's not much to go on. It's the costume, the way David Prowse commands a scene, and the way James Earl Jones voices him that make Vader a good villain. You can certainly argue that Adam Driver doesn't cut it next to that (I actually liked his performance), but I don't think you can make the case that Kylo Ren doesn't have enough of a character. Yes, there are mysteries that haven't been explained yet, but that was the case in ANH, too.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on April 23, 2017, 12:30:40 AM
But they're very different kinds of character.  Vader is made to be a looming embodiment of evil, and succeeds beautifully.  As an elemental force of darkness, he's impressive--in the later trilogy, he acquired some depth, which did not detract from that.  Kylo Ren wants to be Vader, and fails.  He can't be impressive.  That means he has to be rounded as a character, but all he's got is "inadequate and conflicted."  This could be caused by some very interesting trauma, or it could be caused by his inability to get to Tosche Station and buy some power converters (Luke could do that because he was supposed to look like just your average frustrated small-town teenager at first, not an aspiring galactic warlord in whom it looks pathetic).

There's too much left "for later" here, or just not getting told at all.  Rey and Ren have mysteeerious pasts we aren't getting told about (okay, we're pretty much certain she's Luke's kid or some crap like that, but it's "for later").  WhoTF is Snoke, and where did he come from?  Guess we'll find out later.  How did it get this bad, anyway?  Why is Luke hiding?  For later.  Who the hell was that old guy in the beginning, and why was everybody acting like he was a big deal only never to refer to him again?  That's not even "for later," it's just an aspect of the story we're supposed to find out from reading novelizations or something apparently.  Do they have some sort of in-house taboo against telling stories straight?  Because there really wasn't much story there as it was, the plot was the first half of ANH welded to the second half of ROTJ, killing time with a big-eyed alien in a jungle bar in the middle.  This doesn't make me curious, it's just annoying.  They're teasing, and doing it badly.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 13, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
So, new one all hyped to hell and back coming this weekend.


Anyone going to go see it?

I'm targetting the week after Christmas, myself, so I'm sure it will be "ruined" before I get to see it anyway.  (I really don't find spoilers a problem, honestly). 


I actually have it on good authority from someone I trust that this one is on par with the original trilogy.  As in, probably behind Empire and ANH, but better than ROTJ. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on December 13, 2017, 03:33:46 PM
I'll be seeing it on Sunday. I've been somewhat tuned in to rumors and behind the scenes stuff, so I won't be going in blind, but I've tried to make sure I avoid plot details and spoilers.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: E_T on December 13, 2017, 08:04:47 PM
I want to see it in IMAX, so I think that the first week is likely already sold out...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Spacy on December 14, 2017, 02:10:29 PM
Won't see til after X-Mas, when wife and I can get a babysitter and not have to deal with all the family drama crap. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 14, 2017, 02:15:20 PM
SO....

Disney just bought Fox, which means they finally own all of Star Wars...

Just sending a word to Disney:  If you restore the original trilogy and release it, there's a megacrapton of money to be made. 


(slight edit as I accidentally broke the filter...)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Spacy on December 14, 2017, 02:18:45 PM
About the only thing people really care about in the original was Han shooting first, I think.  The other stuff was just cosmetic fluff. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 14, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
But a lot of it was badly done cosmetic fluff. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 15, 2017, 12:45:55 PM
(I really don't find spoilers a problem, honestly). 



Yeah, it didn't take long for 'friends' to spill the beans on this.  I seriously don't know why people do that on social media. 

Anyway, I will refrain from any here. 

Since most of it was 'ruined', I looked at a lot of fan reactions, and star wars fans are turning into bitter old trekkies.  Seriously, anyone who couldn't have seen the direction a couple of these 'shocks' were heading based on the way the canon is moving since the mouse took over hasn't been paying attention. 

That said, there's some curious story decisions as well.  Just not the big ones people are bitching about loudest. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on December 15, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
Hm. I may have to limit my social media exposure for the next couple days. The movie won't be ruined for me if I learn spoilers, but I'd still prefer a clean first viewing experience. That way I can contrast it with subsequent viewings.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 18, 2017, 09:43:43 PM
Alec says it's the best star wars yet. 

Alec doesn't particularly care for star wars, and never really has, so...take that for what it's worth. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 23, 2017, 05:15:21 AM
I found this new one to be more cerebral than others, a lot of "Jedi spiritual" stuff.  I really enjoyed getting to watch Mark Hamill actually act.  There's been precious little acting in the entire Star Wars franchise.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 23, 2017, 05:23:52 AM
Podracing, for example, had the potential to be an interesting riff, before they put in Jake Lloyd and daft attempts at comedy.  Ben Hur with turbojets for horses--sure, it's dumb, but it's also kinda fun.

I hated, hated, hated the !@#!@#!@#!! pod racing.  I do not want to hear about !@#!@#!@!!!! Vader as a !@#!@#!!!!! kid.  I'm not stupid, I was that kid when Star Wars came out.  Star Wars is about Luke watching his uncle and aunt fried to a crisp outside of their desert igloo on Tatooine, not some !@#!@#!!!! goofy pod nonsense.  We had landspeeders in the original and we don't need any !@!#!@!!@!@@@!!!!!! pods.

The only Star Wars in The Phantom Menace was Darth Maul running Qwai Whatsisname through with a double lightsaber.  That film was an atrocity.  We need the Men In Black to brain wipe everyone that it ever happened.


Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 23, 2017, 05:29:20 AM
Why is he angry at his parents?

Do we really want to know, or care, about that?  Frankly, we had to suffer it already in Ep. I..III, and I do not want to be subjected to that tripe again.  "How he got there" presumably has something to do with wanting to get in some girl's pants, nasty sand people, and an evil teacher who seems real good.  We spent 3 movies on it and "how someone slides down" does not bear repeating.  They got this one right, to assume that in the intervening years "he's turned" and go from there.  Spare us the indignity of the psycho babble!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 23, 2017, 11:55:35 AM
Podracing, for example, had the potential to be an interesting riff, before they put in Jake Lloyd and daft attempts at comedy.  Ben Hur with turbojets for horses--sure, it's dumb, but it's also kinda fun.

I hated, hated, hated the !@#!@#!@#!! pod racing.  I do not want to hear about !@#!@#!@!!!! Vader as a !@#!@#!!!!! kid.  I'm not stupid, I was that kid when Star Wars came out.  Star Wars is about Luke watching his uncle and aunt fried to a crisp outside of their desert igloo on Tatooine, not some !@#!@#!!!! goofy pod nonsense.  We had landspeeders in the original and we don't need any !@!#!@!!@!@@@!!!!!! pods.

Again, I disagree with pretty much everyone on the pod racing for one probably stupid reason.  Pod racing was originally supposed to be in episode 4.  It DID make it into the radio drama, and I was that kid who memorized the damn radio drama.  Luke still mentions it all over episode 4.  "I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home."  The T-16 was a racing version of his landspeeder. (briefly seen when C3PO is hiding behind it after R2 runs off) Essentially a pod racer.  He even mentions to Biggs Darklighter the trench run would be just like Beggar's Canyon back home.  The pod race HAPPENS in beggar's canyon.  Unfortunately, we don't get to see threading the space needle, which is how Luke beats Biggs in their race early in the radio drama (which also fried his power converters, and why he wanted to go looking for new ones later). 

So, when the pod racing scene come up, for me, it was a cool nostalgia moment that hearkened back to the original in many ways. 

Yes, we should have started with teen Anakin, and they really should have filmed it the same way they did the trench run for better cohesion, but it wasn't as out of the blue nonsense for me as for most. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 23, 2017, 12:02:06 PM
Why is he angry at his parents?

Do we really want to know, or care, about that?  Frankly, we had to suffer it already in Ep. I..III, and I do not want to be subjected to that tripe again.  "How he got there" presumably has something to do with wanting to get in some girl's pants, nasty sand people, and an evil teacher who seems real good.  We spent 3 movies on it and "how someone slides down" does not bear repeating.  They got this one right, to assume that in the intervening years "he's turned" and go from there.  Spare us the indignity of the psycho babble!

I don't know if we'll get told in the movies.  It'll come out in some form of official canon, though.  I'm rather convinced after far too many watches of the force awakening that something happened BEFORE Ben went off to train with Luke.  Something terrible.  It broke up Han and Leia, and caused Leia to send Ben off to Luke.  There Ben struggled with whatever happened plus abandonment, leading to Snope being able to fully turn him.  Given Ben's issues with anger, I can guess what might have happened...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 23, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home."  The T-16 was a racing version of his landspeeder. (briefly seen when C3PO is hiding behind it after R2 runs off) Essentially a pod racer.


Noooo it is essentially a landspeeder.  And bullseyeing womp rats means Luke is a redneck blowing away varmints from the back of his pickup truck.  There's no (legal) weapons fire in a pod race.

And when in Episode IV is the T-16 declared to be a racing version of a landspeeder?  I don't remember any discussion about that sort of thing.

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He even mentions to Biggs Darklighter the trench run would be just like Beggar's Canyon back home.  The pod race HAPPENS in beggar's canyon.


They recycled the reference.  It doesn't mean that the concept even existed in the original movies IV..VI.

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Unfortunately, we don't get to see threading the space needle, which is how Luke beats Biggs in their race early in the radio drama (which also fried his power converters, and why he wanted to go looking for new ones later). 


Now I'm given to wonder if a radio drama about pod racing was also retroed when Lucas started !@#$!@#@!!!! with Episode IV to bring it up to modern standards of glitz.

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It DID make it into the radio drama, and I was that kid who memorized the damn radio drama.


Now I'm realizing what you mean by "radio drama" is something outside most of our experience of Star Wars.  You aren't talking about overhearing something on a radio in the original film.  You're talking about a fullblown radio dramatization of Star Wars.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio))  A lot of that stuff was not canon.

Now I'm finding out that people don't think a T-16 was a landspeeder at all.  They think it was this light spacecraft, a "Skyhoppper".  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper)  I do remember Luke playing with something in his hand in the original movie, and also that toy being available.  It was very confusing because I'm like WTF did this thing ever actually get used?

Anyways this thing is not a pod racer.  It's a kind of atmospheric spaceship.


Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 24, 2017, 01:03:39 AM
Due to recent discussion, and my recent watching of the newest movie, I find myself watching the more-or-less original Star Wars on TV "on demand" this evening.  I suppose it's been digitized.  I can studiously ignore the silly creatures and blaster cantina shenanigans.  I do wonder at the color tonality of everything, as I can't tell whether it's this big screen TV, or the digitization itself, that causes the color to be as intense as it is.

Watching all these young actors is mildly depressing, especially with Carrie Fisher dead now.  They are all so baby faced.  It's like looking at immortality.  They have eternal youth on screen, and by comparison I am old now.  Least I'm not Obi Wan old yet, that makes me feel slightly better!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 24, 2017, 02:40:58 AM
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home."  The T-16 was a racing version of his landspeeder. (briefly seen when C3PO is hiding behind it after R2 runs off) Essentially a pod racer.


Noooo it is essentially a landspeeder.  And bullseyeing womp rats means Luke is a redneck blowing away varmints from the back of his pickup truck.  There's no (legal) weapons fire in a pod race.

And when in Episode IV is the T-16 declared to be a racing version of a landspeeder?  I don't remember any discussion about that sort of thing.

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He even mentions to Biggs Darklighter the trench run would be just like Beggar's Canyon back home.  The pod race HAPPENS in beggar's canyon.


They recycled the reference.  It doesn't mean that the concept even existed in the original movies IV..VI.

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Unfortunately, we don't get to see threading the space needle, which is how Luke beats Biggs in their race early in the radio drama (which also fried his power converters, and why he wanted to go looking for new ones later). 


Now I'm given to wonder if a radio drama about pod racing was also retroed when Lucas started !@#$!@#@!!!! with Episode IV to bring it up to modern standards of glitz.

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It DID make it into the radio drama, and I was that kid who memorized the damn radio drama.


Now I'm realizing what you mean by "radio drama" is something outside most of our experience of Star Wars.  You aren't talking about overhearing something on a radio in the original film.  You're talking about a fullblown radio dramatization of Star Wars.
[url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio)[/url] ([url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio)) [/url] A lot of that stuff was not canon.


Wrong.  The radio dramas were officially licensed and were considered gospel canon up until Disney bought Star Wars.  The original canon tier list was Screenplay>Movie>Radio>Official Novelization>EU.  They are now officially under the "Legends" level of canon and no longer canon, but that is not how they began, and not where they were during the filming of episodes 1-3.  They were based on Lucas' own scripts with his full cooperation and him donating the music and sound effects, which is why the original radio drama runs 4 hours longer than A New Hope. 

This is why I also have a bigger problem with Rogue One than most folks because it pretty much destroys the whole Leia acquiring the plans part of the radio drama.   

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Now I'm finding out that people don't think a T-16 was a landspeeder at all.  They think it was this light spacecraft, a "Skyhoppper".  [url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper[/url] ([url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper[/url])  I do remember Luke playing with something in his hand in the original movie, and also that toy being available.  It was very confusing because I'm like WTF did this thing ever actually get used?

Anyways this thing is not a pod racer.  It's a kind of atmospheric spaceship.


You're talking semantics and design choices now.  Forgive my memory for forgetting it had atmospheric capabilities from a radio drama of it racing in the canyon and never doing atmospheric flight.  Fact: Lucas always wanted a race to happen in beggars canyon involving insert racing vehicle here in episode 4, it's in the screenplay. It happens in the radio drama, which was canon at the time of filming episode 1. 

It got cut from episode 4 for technology and cost to film.  This was arguably needed to explain why Luke is such a good pilot (the X-wings are a T-64 by the same manufacturer).  Yes, it's not a "pod", but the concept is still essentially the same (racing on Tatooine). 

The Pod race was a good call back to that for those of us who grew up with it always being there.  One of those people happens to be George Lucas. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 24, 2017, 02:59:51 AM
This was arguably needed to explain why Luke is such a good pilot (the X-wings are a T-64 by the same manufacturer).

Nah.  Obi Wan said Luke's Dad was a good pilot.  Luke proves to be strong with the Force.  Really not a hard sell, he blows up the freakin' Death Star for Pete's sake.  Quite a bit harder than just flying a ship.  Oh, and since I just watched Star Wars again, he also gets uppity with Han in the cantina about how he's not such a bad pilot himself, doesn't have to take this, etc.

I am severely disappointed that a "T-16" isn't some kind of souped up landspeeder.  Really ruins my redneck image of Luke bullseyeing womp rats.  I always assumed he just did it with a rifle out of his cab.  The idea being, you can hit something small and at high speed manually, it's not impossible.

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One of those people happens to be George Lucas.

But in many ways he sucks, so....  I wish all the prequels never happened.  I object an order of magnitude more strongly to the 1st, but they are all bad.  I'm happy to the extent that Disney stylistically sweeps them under the rug and forgets them.  I've been waiting for someone to redo this material properly.

Mr. Lucas brought us Star Wars, for that I am thankful.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 24, 2017, 04:21:34 AM
This was arguably needed to explain why Luke is such a good pilot (the X-wings are a T-64 by the same manufacturer).

Nah.  Obi Wan said Luke's Dad was a good pilot.

Piloting is not genetic.

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Luke proves to be strong with the Force.

Force does not a great pilot make by every measure we've had since.  Nor is it required to be a good pilot. 

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Really not a hard sell, he blows up the freakin' Death Star for Pete's sake.

Which is bad storytelling without proper foretelling, which the race provides. 

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Quite a bit harder than just flying a ship.  Oh, and since I just watched Star Wars again, he also gets uppity with Han in the cantina about how he's not such a bad pilot himself, doesn't have to take this, etc.

Which comes off as him being a whiny punk without the foretelling of him being a GOOD pilot.  Hell, he even has 3PO driving while looking for R2. 

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I am severely disappointed that a "T-16" isn't some kind of souped up landspeeder.  Really ruins my redneck image of Luke bullseyeing womp rats.  I always assumed he just did it with a rifle out of his cab.  The idea being, you can hit something small and at high speed manually, it's not impossible.

Makes much more sense he's been practicing on what amounts to a training rig for an X-wing.  Also makes more sense him commenting on it at the briefing. 

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One of those people happens to be George Lucas.

But in many ways he sucks, so....  I wish all the prequels never happened.  I object an order of magnitude more strongly to the 1st, but they are all bad.  I'm happy to the extent that Disney stylistically sweeps them under the rug and forgets them.  I've been waiting for someone to redo this material properly.

Mr. Lucas brought us Star Wars, for that I am thankful.



I think people are way too harsh on the first one in particular.  Baby Anakin was too far, but otherwise it's nowhere near terrible.  Put teen Anakin in baby's shoes, and it would be just fine. 

Plus Maul kicks ass. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 24, 2017, 05:55:14 AM
Piloting is not genetic.

But The Force is, and that's what makes Luke a good pilot.  Sorry, it was beaten over everyone's head many times in the movie.  Darth Vader is trying to blow up Luke Skywalker and says "The Force is strong with this one."  Please refer to King Missile song "Jesus was way cool" for the array of powers likely to be bestowed by The Force.  Baking the most delicious cakes, dancing better than Baryshnikov, etc.

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Force does not a great pilot make by every measure we've had since.  Nor is it required to be a good pilot. 

Did you miss the disaster called The Phantom Menace where Anakin's natural piloting skills are showcased?

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Which is bad storytelling without proper foretelling, which the race provides. 

No, plenty of setup has been given for Luke's piloting skills.  You're just ignoring the instances because you're married to a pod race, that most of us didn't even know was ever supposed to be in the original movie.

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Which comes off as him being a whiny punk without the foretelling of him being a GOOD pilot.

Yeah but lo and behold, go figure, he actually is a good pilot.  You know sometimes when people run their mouths, they actually have the skills.  And it turns out to be your own ego in the way, when you say things like "Oh no so-and-so can't have the skills, because..." you don't like how they talk?  Not a good enough reason.

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  Hell, he even has 3PO driving while looking for R2. 

Pretty sure that's because they accidentally flipped the scene.  I remember something about that in "the making of" stuff.  I seriously doubt 3PO is actually driving.

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Makes much more sense he's been practicing on what amounts to a training rig for an X-wing.  Also makes more sense him commenting on it at the briefing. 

He's commenting on so-and-so's negativity about the impossibility of the task.  Luke has The Force.  Obi Wan taught him to be a positive thinker.  Of course he's not perfect at it: the theme of positive vs. negative thinking is highlighted when Yoda asks Luke to pull the X-Wing out of the swamp in The Empire Strikes Back.

Also, why do you presume that Luke is supposed to shut up in a meeting?  He just saved Princess Leia.  He has firsthand knowledge of the Death Star.  I think not running his mouth in general about stuff and not taking center stage, shows great humility on his part.  He knows he's there to play a role in something much bigger than himself.

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I think people are way too harsh on the first one in particular.  Baby Anakin was too far, but otherwise it's nowhere near terrible.  Put teen Anakin in baby's shoes, and it would be just fine. 

Jar-Jar Binks is unforgiveable and bordering on racist.  That whole planet of Naboo and the droid-only combat is the biggest stinkingest pile of nerfing crap.  Should all be flushed down a toilet through the center of some distant planet.

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Plus Maul kicks ass.

He does, but also has no personality and is boring except as a combatant.  Some people object strongly to Maul.  I don't because he's the only Star Wars in the whole goddamn thing.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 04:13:40 PM
But The Force is, and that's what makes Luke a good pilot.  Sorry, it was beaten over everyone's head many times in the movie.  Darth Vader is trying to blow up Luke Skywalker and says "The Force is strong with this one."  Please refer to King Missile song "Jesus was way cool" for the array of powers likely to be bestowed by The Force.  Baking the most delicious cakes, dancing better than Baryshnikov, etc.

Disagree.  Force can HELP, but does not MAKE.  Obi Wan was NOT a good pilot even with the force.  Han was excellent without the force.  So was Wedge, Lando, Jango Fett, and presumably Boba Fett. 

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Did you miss the disaster called The Phantom Menace where Anakin's natural piloting skills are showcased?

There's a couple things cut from that film too that helped explain some of his supposed skills on the fighter.  The pod racing, he'd been doing it for lord knows how long. 

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No, plenty of setup has been given for Luke's piloting skills.  You're just ignoring the instances because you're married to a pod race, that most of us didn't even know was ever supposed to be in the original movie.

What set up?  Literally he SAID he was a good pilot.  That's it.  You never see him pilot a thing until he gets in the X-Wing. 

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Yeah but lo and behold, go figure, he actually is a good pilot.  You know sometimes when people run their mouths, they actually have the skills.  And it turns out to be your own ego in the way, when you say things like "Oh no so-and-so can't have the skills, because..." you don't like how they talk?  Not a good enough reason.

I didn't say he couldn't, I said it's poor storytelling.  If anything, "Because the force" is even weaker storytelling. 

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Pretty sure that's because they accidentally flipped the scene.  I remember something about that in "the making of" stuff.  I seriously doubt 3PO is actually driving.

Yep, that's why he tells 3po to step on it. 

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He's commenting on so-and-so's negativity about the impossibility of the task.  Luke has The Force.  Obi Wan taught him to be a positive thinker.  Of course he's not perfect at it: the theme of positive vs. negative thinking is highlighted when Yoda asks Luke to pull the X-Wing out of the swamp in The Empire Strikes Back.

Yes...explain where Obi Wan imparted this wisdom?  In the 5 minutes with the training droid? 

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Also, why do you presume that Luke is supposed to shut up in a meeting?  He just saved Princess Leia.  He has firsthand knowledge of the Death Star.  I think not running his mouth in general about stuff and not taking center stage, shows great humility on his part.  He knows he's there to play a role in something much bigger than himself.

He doesn't just speak up about negativity, though.  He mentions he used to do a similar thing in his similar craft.  This makes sense to the people he's talking to, and again foreshadows his ability to do it 'for real'.  But you don't like foreshadowing, because the force.   

Bit of trivia for you, the one complaining was Wedge, who goes on to destroy death star v2.  He arguably outflies Luke in the snow speeders in Empire, even.  Sans force. 

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Jar-Jar Binks is unforgiveable and bordering on racist.  That whole planet of Naboo and the droid-only combat is the biggest stinkingest pile of nerfing crap.  Should all be flushed down a toilet through the center of some distant planet.

I prefer the gungans fighting the droids to the teddy bears fighting the imperial army. 

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He does, but also has no personality and is boring except as a combatant.  Some people object strongly to Maul.  I don't because he's the only Star Wars in the whole goddamn thing.

His lack of character is mostly because he was supposed to be fleshed out later, and fill in as a body guard for Lee (however you spell dooku) in episode 2/3.  But that got cut because the plot got leaked before #2 and Lucas changed it.  His return later happened in the cartoon series and was well received.   

I suppose Boba Fett is just as boring? 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 05:24:57 PM
Disagree.  Force can HELP, but does not MAKE.  Obi Wan was NOT a good pilot even with the force.

"Master" piloted just fine in Attack of the Clones.  In the original Star Wars, Obi Wan's possible piloting ability simply isn't addressed.

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Han was excellent without the force.

Han has the Force.  At least after he didn't get blown away by Greedo's 1st blaster shot, the idea of Han having the Force is very much extant.  Not as much Force as Luke or Leia obviously, but enough to get "lucky" often.  In Obi Wan's experience, "there's no such thing as luck."  To further follow up on this theme of Han having some Force, his child is the most powerful villain in the galaxy in the new movies.  That's not all Leia.

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So was Wedge, Lando, Jango Fett, and presumably Boba Fett. 

No comment.  But the proposition isn't "being a good pilot makes you strong with the Force".  It's the other way around.

Darth Vader is so good that he doesn't get blown up when everyone else on the Death Star dies.  That's another instance of "Han Solo style luck".  In Obi Wan's view, not luck at all.

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What set up?  Literally he SAID he was a good pilot.  That's it.  You never see him pilot a thing until he gets in the X-Wing. 

Setting things up verbally is allowed in screenplays.  It wasn't the only time Luke's piloting abiltiy was talked about either.  You're just choosing to ignore it.

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I didn't say he couldn't, I said it's poor storytelling. 

You are seeing the movie through your pod racer radio play bias, which most of us haven't experienced and don't care about.

Now let me ask you this.  If the orignial Star Wars had such "poor" storytelling... are you saying that when Luke climbs into an X-Wing, you said "nuh-uh!" ?  And how old were you when you saw it?  Later he blows up the Death Star; did you express your incredulity once again? 

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If anything, "Because the force" is even weaker storytelling. 

The whole universe is absurd if you really get down to it, so why not just criticize Star Wars in general as being weak?  Presumably because you've accepted some of this universe's premises somewhere along the way.  This hasn't happened for you regarding piloting, whereas it's bloody obvious to most of the rest of us who watched 6 movies without external stimulus.  Normal people get killed in dogfights.  They crash into canyon walls.  Amazing Force powerful superpeople perform heroic feats of piloting.

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Yep, that's why he tells 3po to step on it. 

Oh well, you remember a detail better than I do, on a scene that was still flipped.  Why does this matter?  Pilots can't ever be chauffered? Actually it is kind a weird that 3po is doing the driving.  I don't think he ever does anything like that again in any of the movies.  Hmm... wonder if they changed the dialogue to match the scene flip?

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Yes...explain where Obi Wan imparted this wisdom?  In the 5 minutes with the training droid? 

Like every single waking second they were together.  Musta done a lot because in the scheme of things, they didn't have a lot of time together before he bit it.  Anyways the specific line you're looking for is "That's your uncle talking."

He doesn't just speak up about negativity, though.  He mentions he used to do a similar thing in his similar craft.  This makes sense to the people he's talking to, and again foreshadows his ability to do it 'for real'.  But you don't like foreshadowing, because the force. 

"I" don't like foreshadowing?  I think you're projecting.  What rule of speech says he's not allowed to talk about spaceships in the meeting?

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Bit of trivia for you, the one complaining was Wedge, who goes on to destroy death star v2. 

Bit of a milk run once they got there.  Not like it was a small target.

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He arguably outflies Luke in the snow speeders in Empire, even. 

He's not nearly as good at gutting Walkers with a lightsaber though.

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Sans force. 

And you know that for certain because... he doesn't become a Jedi apprentice?  There are presumably piles of people in the galaxy who have some Force ability that is never trained.  Heck, Luke would have been one of them if not for circumstance... which in Obi Wan's view are the Force anyways.

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I prefer the gungans fighting the droids to the teddy bears fighting the imperial army. 

They were both horrid, and the Ewoks were the beginning of the end.

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But that got cut because the plot got leaked before #2 and Lucas changed it.

What a strange fate.  And what a strange obsession for that matter.  I still don't understand why Game of Thrones production has halted.  I wonder if I'd understand if I read more about it.

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I suppose Boba Fett is just as boring?

He is pretty boring as a character.  He's all suit / action villain / screen presence / gear.  Sort of a mini Darth Vader, no Jedi magic.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 07:21:04 PM
"Master" piloted just fine in Attack of the Clones.  In the original Star Wars, Obi Wan's possible piloting ability simply isn't addressed.

Managed not to die to a non-force user does not equal just fine.  Besides your point was the force makes you a good pilot.  So, either Jango was stronger with the force, or Obi-Wan is a crappier pilot despite having the force. 

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Han has the Force.  At least after he didn't get blown away by Greedo's 1st blaster shot, the idea of Han having the Force is very much extant.  Not as much Force as Luke or Leia obviously, but enough to get "lucky" often.  In Obi Wan's experience, "there's no such thing as luck."  To further follow up on this theme of Han having some Force, his child is the most powerful villain in the galaxy in the new movies.  That's not all Leia.

I didn't know we were going down the fan theory lane. 

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No comment.  But the proposition isn't "being a good pilot makes you strong with the Force".  It's the other way around.

Right, so these non-force users being better than force using pilots ins problematic to the other way around.  Even with your Han head-canon. 


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Darth Vader is so good that he doesn't get blown up when everyone else on the Death Star dies.  That's another instance of "Han Solo style luck".  In Obi Wan's view, not luck at all.

Darth wasn't near the blowing up death star, and that had nothing to do with his Force ability. 

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Setting things up verbally is allowed in screenplays.  It wasn't the only time Luke's piloting abiltiy was talked about either.  You're just choosing to ignore it.

The only other time was Obi Wan mentioning and a couple of cut scenes.  Among them the race.  You're the one arguing the race wouldn't have added anything and that no more setup was needed.  I disagree.  So did Lucas, which is why he added the Biggs meeting in the hangar back into the film. 

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You are seeing the movie through your pod racer radio play bias, which most of us haven't experienced and don't care about.

And you're too worried about anyone critiquing your childhood.  No matter what was in the screenplay. 

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Now let me ask you this.  If the orignial Star Wars had such "poor" storytelling... are you saying that when Luke climbs into an X-Wing, you said "nuh-uh!" ?  And how old were you when you saw it?  Later he blows up the Death Star; did you express your incredulity once again?
 

I was 5.  No, such things weren't in my head at 5.  After learning about things like plots and good storytelling, I wasn't such a fanboy that I couldn't see the flaws. 

I was genuinely confused by people complaining of the crappy dialog in the prequels as it wasn't any WORSE than the originals.  Acting maybe worse, but the actual dialog, no.  And yes, the 90 degree turning [nonsense] torpedoes have bothered me for as long as I can remember.   

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The whole universe is absurd if you really get down to it, so why not just criticize Star Wars in general as being weak?  Presumably because you've accepted some of this universe's premises somewhere along the way.  This hasn't happened for you regarding piloting, whereas it's bloody obvious to most of the rest of us who watched 6 movies without external stimulus.  Normal people get killed in dogfights.  They crash into canyon walls.  Amazing Force powerful superpeople perform heroic feats of piloting.

And non force people do in the movies as well, otherwise you have a load of force using folks.  Force doesn't make all that, honestly.  You are ignoring all those super force jedi getting their asses handed to them by the droids, and later not seeing order 66 coming at all, and numerous other things the force folks don't manage. 

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Oh well, you remember a detail better than I do, on a scene that was still flipped.  Why does this matter?  Pilots can't ever be chauffered? Actually it is kind a weird that 3po is doing the driving.  I don't think he ever does anything like that again in any of the movies.  Hmm... wonder if they changed the dialogue to match the scene flip?


I think he drives in one of the prequels as well, but I could be mistaken.  Luke is using his binoculars so presumably can't drive and do that at the same time. 

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Like every single waking second they were together.  Musta done a lot because in the scheme of things, they didn't have a lot of time together before he bit it.  Anyways the specific line you're looking for is "That's your uncle talking."

Which has nothing to do about being positive.  It's about not being able to leave. 

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"I" don't like foreshadowing?  I think you're projecting.  What rule of speech says he's not allowed to talk about spaceships in the meeting?

You're the one saying it's a comment about the general negativity.  I'm the one saying he was making a relevant comparison to something he's done with a similar military craft.  He's not trying to be positive, he's bragging how he's already done it. 

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Bit of a milk run once they got there.  Not like it was a small target.

And yet getting there was much more difficult than anything we see Luke manage with his super force piloting skills. 

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He's not nearly as good at gutting Walkers with a lightsaber though.

Cause he's still airborne. 

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And you know that for certain because... he doesn't become a Jedi apprentice?  There are presumably piles of people in the galaxy who have some Force ability that is never trained.  Heck, Luke would have been one of them if not for circumstance... which in Obi Wan's view are the Force anyways.

Obi Wan is a proven twister of circumstances to his own point of view.  Not a reliable source

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They were both horrid, and the Ewoks were the beginning of the end.

There we can agree.

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He is pretty boring as a character.  He's all suit / action villain / screen presence / gear.  Sort of a mini Darth Vader, no Jedi magic.

And sometimes there's nothing wrong with that. 


Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 07:31:27 PM
Anyhow.  Going to see the new one tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 07:55:29 PM
I didn't know we were going down the fan theory lane. 

What possible reason can you offer for Han Solo surviving Greedo's point blank attack?  Other than that Han is lucky with the Force.  Per Obi Wan's statement that there's no such thing as luck.

The only other "explanation" I'm seeing is theme based, not reality based.  Lucas decides he wants Han to be less of a "bad guy", that shooting first isn't culturally acceptable.  Which frankly by itself, doesn't work.  The original "gunslinger" approach, does work.  Han knows they're about to start shooting, so Han shoots first, under the table where his enemy can't see what's happening.  I mean really, Greedo's got a gun on Han the whole time.  Where is the moral dilemma here?

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Right, so these non-force users being better than force using pilots ins problematic to the other way around.  Even with your Han head-canon. 

At some point you will realize that Star Wars, the Force, and Jedi "wizards" don't work because they're not rational.  But if you accept the premises the movie offers you, take them at face value and don't stare too deeply at them, you'll be fine.

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Darth wasn't near the blowing up death star, and that had nothing to do with his Force ability. 

Not dying right there had everything to do with Darth being strong with the Force.  The Force is the in-world plot armor.  What should have happened, rationally, is Han should have easily picked off all 3 tie-fighters from behind.  Darth got super, super lucky, and there's no such thing as luck in this universe.

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I disagree.  So did Lucas, which is why he added the Biggs meeting in the hangar back into the film. 

I'm not buying that it was some huge weighty "fix the movie" decision on Lucas' part.  Rather, he has the footage, might as well throw it in.  This is in an era where the business model of releasing "Director's Cuts" with 5% additional material is becoming a solid business model for DVD sales.  I really wish they'd all stop bothering with this Theatrical Release stuff, but there are probably some business factors why it will keep going for awhile.  Maybe indefinitely.

Actual fixes, look at what was substantially changed (Greedo), or completely added from scratch (stupid CGI beast comedy).  The latter was clearly done to make the movie have more continuity with the CGI prequels.

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I was 5.  No, such things weren't in my head at 5.  After learning about things like plots and good storytelling, I wasn't such a fanboy that I couldn't see the flaws. 

Rather than trying to label people and push that you're somehow the best / most financially successful screenwriter ever, perhaps you will concede to a screenplay being plenty good enough?  Just because you're having an "icebox moment" now, doesn't mean you were having one when you were watching the film.

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I was genuinely confused by people complaining of the crappy dialog in the prequels as it wasn't any WORSE than the originals.  Acting maybe worse, but the actual dialog, no.

Most people can't tell the difference between lines, and the actors' use of the lines.

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You are ignoring all those super force jedi getting their asses handed to them by the droids,

Um.. WAT?  Name one battlefield example that isn't an ambush per order 66.

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and later not seeing order 66 coming at all,

It's weird, but not an indictment of combat skill.  Ambush works.  Yoda sensed it....  Emotionally I think we need to ask, why did the Jedi in general trust the Clone troops of the Republic?

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Which has nothing to do about being positive.  It's about not being able to leave. 

It's about "I can't..." vs. "You can".  Obi Wan sets Luke on a big character arc about what is possible or not possible.  "You have taken your 1st step into a larger world."

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You're the one saying it's a comment about the general negativity.  I'm the one saying he was making a relevant comparison to something he's done with a similar military craft.  He's not trying to be positive, he's bragging how he's already done it. 

He can chew gum and walk.  And I don't agree about it being bragging.  For Luke it's a statement of fact.  "It's not impossible" is the emphasis.

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Bit of a milk run once they got there.  Not like it was a small target.

And yet getting there was much more difficult than anything we see Luke manage with his super force piloting skills. 

WAT?  You think they had a harder time "on approach" in VI than in IV?  Surely you jest.

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Cause he's still airborne. 

Does the phrase "on any given Sunday" mean anything to you?

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Obi Wan is a proven twister of circumstances to his own point of view.  Not a reliable source

Oh good grief.  Obi Wan is evil.  You have joined the Dark Side.  Whatever.

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He is pretty boring as a character.  He's all suit / action villain / screen presence / gear.  Sort of a mini Darth Vader, no Jedi magic.

And sometimes there's nothing wrong with that.

Generally the wrongness is when you are expecting / wanting more out of a character, because it's not otherwise being provided elsewhere in the film.  Darth Maul, definitely not enough, he was a "cutout bad guy".  Boba Fett, at least he embodies all the negative qualities of what we imagine a "bounty hunter" is in this scum-ridden universe.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 07:59:14 PM
Anyhow.  Going to see the new one tomorrow.

Good luck with that.  Since you seem to be a complainer about small details, I'm going to be interested to see what specific form your complaints take.  I remember there being 1 thing I didn't buy, but it wasn't a dealbreaker, and it fades from my mind now.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 08:20:24 PM

What possible reason can you offer for Han Solo surviving Greedo's point blank attack?  Other than that Han is lucky with the Force.  Per Obi Wan's statement that there's no such thing as luck.

The only other "explanation" I'm seeing is theme based, not reality based.  Lucas decides he wants Han to be less of a "bad guy", that shooting first isn't culturally acceptable.  Which frankly by itself, doesn't work.  The original "gunslinger" approach, does work.  Han knows they're about to start shooting, so Han shoots first, under the table where his enemy can't see what's happening.  I mean really, Greedo's got a gun on Han the whole time.  Where is the moral dilemma here?

If you can find the original.  Han doesn't shoot first...he's the only one that shoots, period. 

Here's the script for you, in case you don't believe me:

https://twitter.com/TheWookieeRoars/status/705043238382604288/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinemablend.com%2Fnew%2FEnds-Star-Wars-Han-Shot-First-Debate-Once-All-115797.html (https://twitter.com/TheWookieeRoars/status/705043238382604288/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cinemablend.com%2Fnew%2FEnds-Star-Wars-Han-Shot-First-Debate-Once-All-115797.html)

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Not dying right there had everything to do with Darth being strong with the Force.  The Force is the in-world plot armor.  What should have happened, rationally, is Han should have easily picked off all 3 tie-fighters from behind.  Darth got super, super lucky, and there's no such thing as luck in this universe.

So, wait, Han shoots one tie fighter.  It bumps Vader, causing him to fly out of control, then slams the second one causing both to crash.  This is Vader's force ability? 

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I'm not buying that it was some huge weighty "fix the movie" decision on Lucas' part.  Rather, he has the footage, might as well throw it in.  This is in an era where the business model of releasing "Director's Cuts" with 5% additional material is becoming a solid business model for DVD sales.  I really wish they'd all stop bothering with this Theatrical Release stuff, but there are probably some business factors why it will keep going for awhile.  Maybe indefinitely.

But the fact it was there to put in proves it's in the screenplay to begin with.  Thanks for making my point. 

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Actual fixes, look at what was substantially changed (Greedo), or completely added from scratch (stupid CGI beast comedy).  The latter was clearly done to make the movie have more continuity with the CGI prequels.

Greedo was someone feeling bad about gun violence, not a change to make sense of anything.  Like the walkie talkies in ET that make no sense. 

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Rather than trying to label people and push that you're somehow the best / most financially successful screenwriter ever, perhaps you will concede to a screenplay being plenty good enough?  Just because you're having an "icebox moment" now, doesn't mean you were having one when you were watching the film.

Everything I've mentioned was in the screenplay.  You're the one arguing against it.  It's not my fault the radio drama followed the screenplay more than the movies for budget and run time problems.  Doesn't change that they weren't always canon and part of the story. 

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Um.. WAT?  Name one battlefield example that isn't an ambush per order 66.

Let's see.  Jango single handedly murdering green jedi guy on the balcony when jedi guy jumps up there to be awesome. 

All the assorted dead Jedi in the battle referenced by Lee.  Various wounded Jedi crawling around during the pause in battle.  Lukes hand getting shot...

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and later not seeing order 66 coming at all,

It's weird, but not an indictment of combat skill.  Ambush works.  Yoda sensed it....

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It's about "I can't..." vs. "You can".  Obi Wan sets Luke on a big character arc about what is possible or not possible.  "You have taken your 1st step into a larger world."

None of which is positive thinking. 

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He can chew gum and walk.  And I don't agree about it being bragging.  For Luke it's a statement of fact.  "It's not impossible" is the emphasis.

It's not impossible won't mean anything if he hadn't done it in a similar circumstance/equipment. 

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WAT?  You think they had a harder time "on approach" in VI than in IV?  Surely you jest.

I surely think the infrastructure of V2 is a hell of a lot tighter spaced than the trend of V1, yes.  And the battle is FAR more intense outside as well. 

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Does the phrase "on any given Sunday" mean anything to you?

But force is supposed to make it ALWAYS your Sunday.  That's your whole point. 

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Oh good grief.  Obi Wan is evil.  You have joined the Dark Side.  Whatever.

I never joined the light side.


Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 09:21:56 PM
If you can find the original.  Han doesn't shoot first...he's the only one that shoots, period. 

Here's the script for you, in case you don't believe me:


You may recall that when I saw the original movie, I was 2 years older than you, and had 2 years better memory for such details.  Not to mention all the years in between of seeing it again and again and again, before Lucas took a hatchet to it.  When I say "Han shoots first", it is literally correct.  Greedo never gets any chance to shoot second, he's fried to a crisp.  That's good gunfighting in my 2nd Amendment / Wild West view of things.  On a quick draw your enemy is not supposed to get the chance to shoot you.

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So, wait, Han shoots one tie fighter.  It bumps Vader, causing him to fly out of control, then slams the second one causing both to crash.  This is Vader's force ability? 


Yep.  'Cuz in another 3 seconds, without that lucky break, Han would have fried Vader.  But I guess 3 seconds is a long time in combat.  A lot of things can happen.

You really honestly never figured this out, the 1st time around watching these films?  Even my 7 year old self thought there was no way Vader should have survived that.  It was a complete ass pull.  Superficial explanation is "we want Vader for the next movie".  In-world explanation is Vader is lucky with the Force, in a world where there's no such thing as luck.  All of the other bad guys on the Death Star, die.  Vader is somehow bigger than that.

It is also complete luck, that Vader was thrown into space, totally clear of the Death Star's explosion, rather than crashing into a wall and exploding like the other wing pilot.

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But the fact it was there to put in proves it's in the screenplay to begin with.


Yeah, and it got cut to begin with.  Which means it wasn't critical, it could be trimmed.

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Greedo was someone feeling bad about gun violence, not a change to make sense of anything.


Quite believable to me.  The Phantom Menace completely nerfed combat, saying it's ok to kill droids.  Only gravatas was Darth Maul running Quai whatishame through.

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Everything I've mentioned was in the screenplay.


Hey newsflash, the film is the film.  Sorry if you think everyone was supposed to be watching a screenplay and not the final film.  There's this thing called editing in postproduction.  The Cutting Room Floor.

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Um.. WAT?  Name one battlefield example that isn't an ambush per order 66.


Let's see.  Jango single handedly murdering green jedi guy on the balcony when jedi guy jumps up there to be awesome. 

All the assorted dead Jedi in the battle referenced by Lee.  Various wounded Jedi crawling around during the pause in battle.  Lukes hand getting shot...


"Luke?"  He isn't even born yet!  Well I guess you're skipping through movies.  I don't even remember Luke getting shot in the hand, I remember his hand being cut off by Vader in a duel.  I can't bear to go over details of the atrocity film that shall not be named, but I will look for a reference to Luke's hand getting shot.  Ok, found one (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Great_Pit_of_Carkoon):
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Skywalker told Organa to aim the cannon at the deck of the barge, at which point Taym Dren-garen shot his right hand, exposing his mechanical limb, but the Jedi quickly recovered and continued to prevent any guards from reaching the cannon.


This incident exists to demonstrate that Luke has a mechanical hand.  A storytelling prerogative overrides the usual rules of how Jedi do in combat against blasters.  It doesn't have much effect in the scheme of things, and it's certainly better to be shot in a mechanical hand than anywhere else in one's body, where one could easily die.

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It's about "I can't..." vs. "You can".  Obi Wan sets Luke on a big character arc about what is possible or not possible.  "You have taken your 1st step into a larger world."


None of which is positive thinking. 


That's what you say, and since you're married to your opinion, I won't try to talk you out of it.

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Oh good grief.  Obi Wan is evil.  You have joined the Dark Side.  Whatever.


I never joined the light side.


Then you're a loser.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 26, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Hey - no insults.

I mean it.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 09:32:48 PM
You may recall that when I saw the original movie, I was 2 years older than you, and had 2 years better memory for such details.  Not to mention all the years in between of seeing it again and again and again, before Lucas took a hatchet to it.  When I say "Han shoots first", it is literally correct.  Greedo never gets any chance to shoot second, he's fried to a crisp.  That's good gunfighting in my 2nd Amendment / Wild West view of things.  On a quick draw your enemy is not supposed to get the chance to shoot you.


Exactly, so he didn't need force powers to dodge anything at point blank.  My point again. 

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Yep.  'Cuz in another 3 seconds, without that lucky break, Han would have fried Vader.  But I guess 3 seconds is a long time in combat.  A lot of things can happen.

You really honestly never figured this out, the 1st time around watching these films?  Even my 7 year old self thought there was no way Vader should have survived that.  It was a complete ass pull.  Superficial explanation is "we want Vader for the next movie".  In-world explanation is Vader is lucky with the Force, in a world where there's no such thing as luck.  All of the other bad guys on the Death Star, die.  Vader is somehow bigger than that.


Actually Han's best move is to stay up top and keep Luke clear, not chase Vader now that he's not a threat to the mission.  It always made me wonder why the other rebel ships weren't doing that on the previous runs, actually. 

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Yeah, and it got cut to begin with.  Which means it wasn't critical, it could be trimmed.


But was added back to the radio play because it was deemed important and canon. 

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Hey newsflash, the film is the film.  Sorry if you think everyone was supposed to be watching a screenplay and not the final film.  There's this thing called editing in postproduction.  The Cutting Room Floor.


And there's this thing called well, I don't know what Disney calls it anymore, but there was the Holocron for the original canon.  The radio play was in it.  Sorry. 

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"Luke?"  He isn't even born yet!  Well I guess you're skipping through movies.  I don't even remember Luke getting shot in the hand, I remember his hand being cut off by Vader in a duel.  I can't bear to go over details of the atrocity film that shall not be named, but I will look for a reference to Luke's hand getting shot.  Ok, found one ([url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Great_Pit_of_Carkoon[/url]):
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Skywalker told Organa to aim the cannon at the deck of the barge, at which point Taym Dren-garen shot his right hand, exposing his mechanical limb, but the Jedi quickly recovered and continued to prevent any guards from reaching the cannon.


Fact: Luke gets his hand shot rescuing Han despite super force powers.  Oh, you found it.  How many things is that now you've found during our conversation.  Tell me again how much better your 2 years older memory is. 

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This incident exists to demonstrate that Luke has a mechanical hand.


Already covered in Empire.

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Then you're a loser.


Ok. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 09:34:37 PM
I do have to thank you for making the day go so much quicker though. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 26, 2017, 09:41:29 PM
In the original theatrical release -I'm older than either of you- Vader was shown spinning away for a slit second after the Falcon's intervention.  I believe him stabilizing and flying off was a very early Lucas edit/fiddle.

-Incidentally, "A long time ago" etc., was only on the posters.  The film began with the legend "Another Galaxy Another Time".
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 26, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
I know of 2 edits/editions before the BIG edits, but I don't recall what all got changed outside of the crawl. 

IIRC Vader's survival was added to a theatrical re-release around the time of Empire.  Because previous to that they weren't sure there would BE an Empire, so they left his fate a little ambiguous. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 26, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
Right.

But that's Lucas right there for you; Vader hadn't actually been shown to be killed, and the retcon was unneeded.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 10:13:38 PM
Exactly, so he didn't need force powers to dodge anything at point blank.  My point again. 

He didn't need luck in the cantina in the original movie.  He definitely needed luck in other instances, like not being summarily executed by Stormtroopers in the Death Star.  Maybe he had some luck piloting The Millennium Falcon and not getting shot up too badly as well.

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Actually Han's best move is to stay up top and keep Luke clear, not chase Vader now that he's not a threat to the mission.

Given what actually happened.  But what should have happened, is the 1st wing pilot is blown to bits, then the 2nd wing pilot is blown to bits, then Vader is blown to bits.  In about 5 seconds of Millenium Falcon strafing.  Oddly, it didn't happen that way, even though it was the obvious way it should have happened.  It's exactly what happened to everyone else who had firepower right on their tail in that trench.  Just that Vader was doing the from-behind executions before.

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  It always made me wonder why the other rebel ships weren't doing that on the previous runs, actually. 

I have supposed they didn't have enough manpower to cover everything.  Imperials had more ships to tie them up, etc.

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Yeah, and it got cut to begin with.  Which means it wasn't critical, it could be trimmed.

But was added back to the radio play because it was deemed important and canon. 

That's great, but again, most of us have never heard it and don't care.  Our view of Star Wars isn't colored by screenplay tidbits or radio plays.  We went with what was in the films, and for the most part, they're internally coherent.  Don't need a radio play to figure out that Luke can pilot an X-wing.

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And there's this thing called well, I don't know what Disney calls it anymore, but there was the Holocron for the original canon.

The radio play was in it.  Sorry.

The Holocron?  I'm not sure I've ever even heard that term.  I doubt it's original to the first 3 movies.  Guess I'll look it up.  Yep, what I'm seeing looks like prequel stuff.  Doesn't basically count, for trying to decide the internal logic of the original 3 films.  "Retconning" in general doesn't count.

Also I sure as heck don't remember hearing any radio play from a Holocron in the prequels.  From a film critical perspective, mostly if it isn't in the film or talked about in the film, it doesn't exist.  It should at least be in some film of the series, and it doesn't meet that standard either.  Pronouncing "by fiat" that it exists in materials external to the film... well fine, it's George Lucas' ego or whatever.  He could babble on about all sorts of stuff that isn't actually coherent in the films as they are presented.

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Fact: Luke gets his hand shot rescuing Han despite super force powers.  Oh, you found it.  How many things is that now you've found during our conversation.  Tell me again how much better your 2 years older memory is. 

So that Luke's cyborg hand can be shown off.  No other reason really.

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This incident exists to demonstrate that Luke has a mechanical hand.

Already covered in Empire.

3rd movies are made on the presumption that not everyone has seen the 1st or 2nd films.  So this movie took the opportunity to establish that Luke has a mechanical hand.  In continuity with the 2nd movie.  Many things that you might want to say are "already covered", are going to be repeated between films, so that people remember them.  Or learn about them the 1st time, as case may be.

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Then you're a loser.

Ok.

Actually to be fair, the scorecard in the original 3 films is 2:1 Jedi favor.  Then in the prequels I'm not sure how we score it... 3rd film looks like "infinity to whatever" in favor of the Sith.  Now in the Disney films the New Order has the upper hand again, although there are Resistance victories.  Hard to say who's winning overall.

But as a kid, for the original 3 films, my point stands!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 10:16:46 PM
In the original theatrical release -I'm older than either of you- Vader was shown spinning away for a slit second after the Falcon's intervention.  I believe him stabilizing and flying off was a very early Lucas edit/fiddle.

That doesn't shock me, because I do have a memory of wondering in my childhood, whether Vader lived or died.  And then at some point there was this new "spinning off" thing, and it was odd to me that there wasn't any question anymore.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 26, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Back in 1976(7?), I sorta assumed he died - I do remember actually wondering at the time.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 26, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
But they could have shown the interior of Vader's ship frying in a glorious shower of sparks, the way everyone else who bit it in a X-wing died.  Can't remember if they showed any guys in tie-fighters ignonimously dying.  Possibly not.

I think it was clear enough that Vader didn't die by Han Solo firing on his squad.  Vader is thrown clear.  But is he thrown clear of the actual Death Star explosion?  It's pretty big, and Vader has a crippled ship that he can't steer.  They could have had Vader fry in the general Kaboom, he'd still be dead.  The WW I metaphor would be, you get shot and wounded, then sink into the bottom of a rain filled crater and drown in it.

BTW the numeral you are looking for is '7'.  Being the right age to recieve Star Wars, clearly has its advantages for memory.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 26, 2017, 10:43:02 PM
Well, we were left wondering whether the bad guy got away, which seems like perfectly good adventure storytelling. 

-But there was still nothing to 'correct', even for the sake of Empire.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on December 26, 2017, 11:30:16 PM
I sometimes wish I could have my mind wiped and experience Star Wars clean the way you folk were able to. Born two years after ROTJ, I live in a world where I've always known who Darth Vader is and have to dig to find the original original versions.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 27, 2017, 12:23:27 AM
-But there was still nothing to 'correct', even for the sake of Empire.

Dare we do a psychological study of why Lucas couldn't just sit on his hands in this way or that way?  One thing I heard, that really puzzled the hell out of me, is how utterly disappointed and horrified he was with the prosthetic aliens from the cantina in the original Star Wars.  I always liked them just fine.  I look at them now and think they show a great deal of imagination, like the hammerhead alien.  The only one I thought was actually goofy, was the thing that looked like a devil.  Why do that?  Thought that was dumb, even as a kid.  But the rest of it, they looked pretty darned alien to me, just not seeing any problem.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on December 28, 2017, 03:23:16 AM
I remembered what bugged me.  I had trouble swallowing "The Plan".  Why didn't they do what they eventually did in the 1st place?  However, on further reflection about the events, I realized it was a good plan at the beginning.  Then eventually it wasn't.  Then they had to do something else.  So I had to let go of this, that it wasn't actually a plot hole.  Which is why I had trouble remembering my objection.

I'm left with the much more minor objection, of wondering why someone has to be on the bridge.  Seems hand-wavy.  There was a line of dialogue explaining why, but I don't remember it.  So I don't know if it was a good explanation or not.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on December 28, 2017, 05:44:26 AM
Just got back from the new one.

The only thing I'll say right away is what was supposed to be one of the bigger moments was so colorblind unfriendly I'm not even sure what I was supposed to be seeing. 

As in quite possibly the most colorblind unfriendly scene I've ever seen in a movie. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 03, 2018, 09:31:40 PM
He didn't need luck in the cantina in the original movie.  He definitely needed luck in other instances, like not being summarily executed by Stormtroopers in the Death Star.  Maybe he had some luck piloting The Millennium Falcon and not getting shot up too badly as well.

Did you miss the entire point of Darth Vaders plan was to LET THEM ESCAPE to find the rebel base.  Of course they weren't going to kill them. 

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Given what actually happened.  But what should have happened, is the 1st wing pilot is blown to bits, then the 2nd wing pilot is blown to bits, then Vader is blown to bits.  In about 5 seconds of Millenium Falcon strafing.  Oddly, it didn't happen that way, even though it was the obvious way it should have happened.  It's exactly what happened to everyone else who had firepower right on their tail in that trench.  Just that Vader was doing the from-behind executions before.

We really don't know the angle and distance the Falcon was coming from.  It wasn't right behind or right above.  Given the wedge flying formation of the tie fighters, it makes decent sense the damaged fighter would only clip the back of Vader, but slam the other. 




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That's great, but again, most of us have never heard it and don't care.  Our view of Star Wars isn't colored by screenplay tidbits or radio plays.  We went with what was in the films, and for the most part, they're internally coherent.  Don't need a radio play to figure out that Luke can pilot an X-wing.

And all I ever said was that for those of us that DID grow up with the race in place, the pod race was a nice bit of nostalgia.  You've been arguing against it since then. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 03, 2018, 09:34:23 PM
I remembered what bugged me.  I had trouble swallowing "The Plan".  Why didn't they do what they eventually did in the 1st place?  However, on further reflection about the events, I realized it was a good plan at the beginning.  Then eventually it wasn't.  Then they had to do something else.  So I had to let go of this, that it wasn't actually a plot hole.  Which is why I had trouble remembering my objection.

Actually, if I'm following you, they had several opportunities to do what they eventually did, and instead 'wasted' those to no benefit. 

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I'm left with the much more minor objection, of wondering why someone has to be on the bridge.  Seems hand-wavy.  There was a line of dialogue explaining why, but I don't remember it.  So I don't know if it was a good explanation or not.


I'd comment as there's a good reason, but we're getting into spoiler territory. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on January 04, 2018, 12:21:27 AM

Did you miss the entire point of Darth Vaders plan was to LET THEM ESCAPE to find the rebel base.  Of course they weren't going to kill them. 

That's not the only time he tangled with Imperial ships, even in the original movie.  How much luck did it take to blast out of Mos Eisley?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on January 04, 2018, 12:22:41 AM
Actually, if I'm following you, they had several opportunities to do what they eventually did, and instead 'wasted' those to no benefit. 

But "sneaking off" would have been a better outcome.  You have to stay sneaky to sneak off.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on January 04, 2018, 03:19:10 AM
Actually, if I'm following you, they had several opportunities to do what they eventually did, and instead 'wasted' those to no benefit. 

But "sneaking off" would have been a better outcome.  You have to stay sneaky to sneak off.


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Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on February 05, 2018, 08:55:08 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7m-7EEI5vo#)

That really doesn't come off as HAN SOLO. 

Fun star wars it may be, but SOLO?  Voice, mannerism, nothing really seems like Han. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on February 06, 2018, 02:29:38 AM
I didn't see or hear enough of Han Solo in that clip to render any kind of opinion.  They seemed to be deliberately hiding any extended air time of him.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 02, 2018, 07:46:13 PM
It's weird how Episode 7 killed it for me.  I went in expecting, basically, that it wouldn't be as bad as the prequels, and it wasn't.  But that was all it was.  It wasn't good or exciting or interesting.  I could write the prequels off as the tragedy of Lucas not knowing what made his movies work decades earlier, but he's out and the movies aren't embarrassingly bad, they're just bland action movies with some Star Wars on top.  I was studiously avoiding all discussion of E8 so I could view it fresh when I got around to the DVD.  Then I realized I didn't care enough anymore to do that, so I just looked it up on Wiki to see the plot summary out of mild curiosity.  I don't feel like I missed much, judging by said summary.  And now all of the original cast, except 3PO, are gone, and all the new ones introduced in 7 are rubbish.  I feel kinda depressed now.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 02, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
I've enjoyed TFA less with each rewatching. I've only seen TLJ once, in theaters, and I was pretty disappointed by it. Which makes me sad. I am not jazzed about 9. Solo looks like it might be kinda fun and totally disconnected from where the series is going now, so I'll check it out.

I'm still a Star Wars fan and I've never been of the opinion that movie A can "ruin" movie B (Episode 2 is awful and almost entirely without redeeming qualities, but I've seen it more than I've seen any other non-Star Wars movie). So I'm also kind of disappointed that I haven't found a place to discuss nu-Star Wars productively. I keep seeing the take that not liking the new films amounts to a character flaw (from being unable to accept change all the way to racism and sexism), and that's just not a discussion I want to be a part of. Alas.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 02, 2018, 08:15:13 PM
This is where I mention being an OG Star Trek fan; I feel you, is all.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 02, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
What made Star Wars what it was back in the day was it was a nerd past time. Nerds were not accepted. By liking this, you were seen as childish, socially maladjusted, not a realist, involuntarily celibate, and worthy of scorn in the 1980s.

Now?

They have model voice actors doing Dungeons and Dragons. Everyone and their brother lines up for a Star Wars movie and they are pumping out one per year.

It's like you have this thing that makes you different, then it becomes cool and everyone likes it. Yeah, you get a bit of smugness in a "Yes, I was right and they were idiots" kind of way. But when it goes popular and goes a different direction because it was made at a different time with different people, it loses a bit of what made it cool in the first place.

That said, I have no problem with the Last Jedi. I think the naysayers missed the message of the movie. The movie was about failure. The failure of Luke Skywalker. The failure of Poe, Finn, and Leia. And that, failure, too is something to pass on and learn from and a pathway to power. A lot were disappointed because they wanted a super hero film like Marvel with Skywalker doing hand gestures and slamming AT-ATs into each other with his mind and stuff. I get that. But I think the movie was overshadowed by fan expectation.

It really is not a bad movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 02, 2018, 08:34:19 PM
You can get a movie and still not like it.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Mart on May 02, 2018, 08:41:41 PM
When I was looking for materials on animated series of Star Wars on youtube, I found very interesting videos made by "Wayward Jedi." In the video linked, there is more about it, but Lucas told in one interview, that he was inspired how to make this story by works of Joseph Campbell, professor of Literature.
The are two parts of this video, which talks about Ben and Rey. And I think a lot in SW follows exactly what they want to do with the story. We may not like it, but their objectives are pursued.


I can embedd them here...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkoY5MJ2pxY#)

second part
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xqnQtl13CQ#)

So Ben and Rey are reincarnations of Anakin and Padme. When I started to look at it this way, I actually started to like the new trilogy.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on May 03, 2018, 04:19:34 AM
So Ben and Rey are reincarnations of Anakin and Padme. When I started to look at it this way, I actually started to like the new trilogy.


They really needed to stay with one director for the whole trilogy to make the whole ring theory work.  The second one so bungled star wars, I'm having a hard time mucking up the desire to watch the third. 


The ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE SHOW is OMG THEY CAN TRACK US THROUGH HYPERSPACE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVAR!!!!

Uh...did we forget the whole tracking through hyperspace done in ANH? 

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nammMXTkrX4#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 03, 2018, 05:59:01 AM
So Ben and Rey are reincarnations of Anakin and Padme. When I started to look at it this way, I actually started to like the new trilogy.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  This isn't Poltergeist.  Anakin is floating around in Jedi Heaven somewhere, we saw it at the end RotJ (re-edited).  Obi Wan and Yoda aren't sticking themselves in anyone either.  Padme didn't have any noteworthy Force abilities, there's no reason for her to reincarnate as a booty kicker.  If she can reincarnate at all, then so can anyone.  Why not have Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru as the hero and heroine?  It would make about as much sense.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 03, 2018, 07:06:11 AM
I can enjoy shows about failure.  I rather liked Venture Brothers back in the day, and the show's creators came right out and said the whole show was about failure.  If it comes to that, they had a failure-themed SW already; it was called The Empire Strikes Back, and it's generally agreed to be the best of the lot.  I haven't seen TLJ, all I have to go on is that the plot summary sounds cluttered with too many subplots and none of it sounds interesting.  Also every SW fan I know makes queasy faces when I mention it.  Maybe I'll get the DVD when it shows up at the library to judge for myself.  Not hurrying.  Incredibles 2 comes out in a little over a month, and Brad Bird has a pretty damn near spotless track record.  Whooooo!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 03, 2018, 07:33:17 AM
If you want to watch it using ((other)) means earlier,  I know a place that streams it so you will not get in trouble with the MPAA ISP cartel. PM me if you would like to know as I do not want to put the link on a forum.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 03, 2018, 01:29:51 PM
I'm good, but thanks.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 03, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
Also every SW fan I know makes queasy faces when I mention it.

I think I count as a SW fan, although definitely not a rabid one.  Granted you don't know me, but I'm not making any queasy face about TLJ.  I enjoyed watching Mark Hamill actually get a chance to act.  The SW that makes me sick to my stomach is Phantom Menace.  Disney has done nothing so egregious as that.  Frankly, Disney can only improve the series by rebooting it.  The first 3 prequels were crap, with Phantom Menace pretty much unwatchable for me now.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 03, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
While I agree that Ep I was the worst, it doesn't bug me like Ep 7.  I think it's because the prequels were always irrelevant; we knew from the get-go that the annoying kid was somehow going to turn into Darth Vader, that Palpatine was up to no good, that the Republic was going to collapse, that Natalie Portman was going to be Luke and Leia's mom, etc.  We found out along the way that pidgin-talking frog-rabbits played a critical part and that Anakin hates sand.  Even if the prequels had been executed beautifully, they still would have been prequels, beautifully fleshed-out backstory and nothing more.  As it is, they're ineptly told and silly backstory, and we can pretend they never happened if we like.

Then came TFA, and all bets are off.  We get to see the original cast again, the story moves forward into uncharted waters, and George Lucas is not involved so there's a chance it won't be utter crap.  And it wasn't utter crap, but ... it's not really good, either.  Han and Luke are dead now, they can't have Leia, they never brought Lando back at all.  Vader and Palpatine, of course, are gone for good.  Their respective replacements are, quite frankly, boring.  There's nothing like Jar Jar, at least in TFA, and Kylo Ren at his worst is still miles ahead of his adolescent grandpa.  It's not utterly terrible.  It's just not interesting.  This is the way Star Wars ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 03, 2018, 04:46:40 PM
It's like, "Hey, remember your old heroes?  Well, they're back!  And they're incompetent sideshows.  We're going to shove them all out of the way as quickly as possible to introduce young people, because old people are useless.  If you liked Luke, you'll love Overpowered Trashpicker Girl of Unclear Origins.  Liked Darth Vader?  We have a mopey and ineffectual kid who wishes he was Darth Vader!"
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 04, 2018, 01:52:51 AM
I don't think Star Wars is going to end, because they're doing enough to keep it going, despite any specific person's objections.  Heck it kept going even with the godawful prequels, and let's face it, the seeds of destruction were laid with the Ewoks.

I have different objections to Kylo and Ren than you do.  I don't buy their combat abilities, they haven't had enough training time.  Luke at least had to earn some skills, and Anakin did spend a lot of time kicking butt by his master's side before becoming the universal dice master.  Anakin also almost got killed once due to overcockiness.  I accept that Ren is pretty good with a staff already, but translating that immediately into lightsaber prowess is quite a stretch.  We don't really know enough about Kylo to know why he should even be able to fight at all, although he did spend time with Luke.

Kylo could potentially be interesting, in that he doesn't really want to deal with Light or Dark sides of the Force at all.  But the films haven't alotted the time to deal with those themes yet.  I hope that isn't just dropped as a passing moment.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 04, 2018, 02:37:47 AM
Well, it's dead for me.  They'll keep churning out more SW until there's no more money in it, but I don't feel the need to follow any more.  It's just another franchise now, and not even a particularly good one.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 04, 2018, 03:48:06 AM
Well why follow any franchise really?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Mart on May 04, 2018, 07:43:00 AM

They create history of the SW Galaxy in other eras, than those from main movies, also. KOTOR games, which are approx. 4000 years before movies, later SWTOR, which is like 3800 - 3750 before movies. There is even that book taking place 25000 years before.
It is decent sci-fi, all these things. And they have potential to create more interesting stories. For me there is one thing in particular very interesting. Slow technological development. In KOTOR many things seem very similar like in movies era. I do not agree with some explanations, that it was empires falling and then reemerging what caused technological reversals. The Jedi was, after all, for 1000 generations active, it is like these 25-20 thousands of years.


This will make you to belong to generation tech:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnY7Pak11tg#)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 04, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Well, everything has a bubble. Even geekidom past times such as Star Wars.

First, you have the abnormals. The pioneers that try new things that fly over the heads of the normies. They are ridiculed at first by normal society.

They form clubs and conventions and all number of things. They have tons of fun! You have a few who are generally more knowledgeable than others. Some can quote every line verbatim. Some have every bit of 1980s plastic crap put out by Kenner Toys. Some have decoration sense that would make AC2's Unorthodox blush and can make convincing dress becoming certain characters.  But, as a whole everyone has something in common. You are able to find buddies, friends, mates, whatever due to the fact of your love for the Sci Fi world of Star Wars. People actually meet lifelong friends, wives, you name it off of geekdom.

Then other people jump in hearing about this. The same types of girls who made fun of your kind now "cosplays" with clothes that cost more than some people make in a month while not really wanting anything to do with the culture. Entrepreneurs come in, hoping to capitalize and make a living in a genre that sure as hell beats corporate hell. Your fun little fan skits get taken over by big time, big money professionals. Add to that, now even Mr. backwards six pack beer NASCAR dude loves him some Star Wars and shows up at the fray and they become fans. Lonely, awkward World of Warcraft basement dweller gets the memo 10 years too late  shows up and hits on rich cosplay girl pisses her off. Everybody talks geek, but no one is a geek anymore. Everybody is out there to get something, few are in it for what it originally was.

The room parties, that used to be open to everyone, become exclusive. They only want rich cosplay modelling career girl and dude, entrepreneur merchandise dude, and professional actor dude there. Everybody else solely exists to pump money.

As a result, the new people and the old veterans get mad. They are disempowered. This were not the droids they were looking for.... Ineffectual old heroes? 15 dollar mixed drinks at the movie theatre? Model geek girls with fan casts trying to get ad view money? Never mind the quality was better than the prequels and the Last Jedi is probably one of the deepest Star Wars movie to ever hit. This is not the Star Wars they wanted.

Now, don't get me wrong. I hope everybody gets to make money or making a living on stuff that excludes corporate oppression. But, these bubbles happen all the time to everything. It happened to swing ballroom dancing in the 90s, New Age movements like Wicca in the early 00s, "alternative" music, and many other crazes.

It is what it is.

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 04, 2018, 01:54:51 PM
I don't do conventions or cosplay; I've never written SW fan fiction, collected toys, or any of that other stuff that constitutes membership in a geek subculture.  It was a fun set of movies in an interesting setting about characters I liked.  Now the characters I liked are dead, their replacements are boring, and the stories they're telling in that setting don't interest me any more.  That's all.  You don't need to (badly) psychoanalyze my deeper motives.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 04, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
I don't do conventions or cosplay; I've never written SW fan fiction, collected toys, or any of that other stuff that constitutes membership in a geek subculture.  It was a fun set of movies in an interesting setting about characters I liked.  Now the characters I liked are dead, their replacements are boring, and the stories they're telling in that setting don't interest me any more.  That's all.  You don't need to (badly) psychoanalyze my deeper motives.

No... not your motives. Just the movement in general. You have not even seen it yet.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 04, 2018, 02:27:04 PM
I'm not part of "the movement," and never was.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 04, 2018, 02:40:26 PM
At any rate, it would be silly to impute some kind of virginal, pure state to Star Wars, of all things.  It was a massive cash-in from the word go, with oodles of merchandise, much of it of very poor quality.  In 1998 or thereabouts they released Shadows of the Empire, a coordinated campaign to do a movie merchandising blitz without even making a movie in the first place.  It was all money-grubbing, every bit of it.  Nor was it ever any kind of underground scene; it was massively popular on release and remained massively popular for years after.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Green1 on May 04, 2018, 03:59:48 PM
Of course it WAS a cash grab.

I am just talking the geek movement in general.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: E_T on May 04, 2018, 09:59:28 PM
You'll laugh, you'll cry... you'll kiss 3 bucks goodbye...

https://youtu.be/ccfbw2RJ3ow (https://youtu.be/ccfbw2RJ3ow)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 04, 2018, 11:41:01 PM
Hardware Wars da bomb!  Or da basketball?  Not sure which.

Elok, what franchises do you currently like?  I'd be mildly interested to calibrate your expectations of Star Wars vs. anything else.  Myself, I actually think Star Trek: The Original Series is better than Star Wars in some ways, although not in others.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 05, 2018, 01:21:20 AM
Star Wars vs. Star Trek is apples and oranges.  I dislike basically every series out in theaters right now.  I followed the Marvel Cinematic Universe for a while, but after a while I realized I was only watching for the two or three action sequences, since the plots were uniformly dull.  So I just watch the action scenes on YouTube when I feel like it.  Really, I think most movie series these days are overproduced trash, for reasons I don't want to get into right now.  As for series I do like, I followed The Venture Brothers for a while there, before I had kids and couldn't keep up any more.  The original Star Trek was indeed wonderful in its goofy way, though I was never a hardcore Trekkie.  I love Firefly, except of course for the whorehouse rescue episode.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 05, 2018, 01:32:09 AM
I love Firefly, except of course for the whorehouse rescue episode.

I watched the series once years ago, and I remember there being an episode with whores, but I don't associate it with being obviously bad. What am I not remembering?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 05, 2018, 02:13:21 AM
Well, it had a guy in a very shiny jacket mounting a military assault on a whorehouse from Luke's landspeeder, firing a laser pistol out the open top.  With the Serenity crew boarded up inside, shooting out the windows.  There were some powerful shark-jumping vibes about that episode.  Like Mal's wince-inducing sexual healing with the madam.  To be fair, it also had some fun moments with Jayne, because whorehouse, but when I revisit the series, I watch that episode last.  Even after the one that's all flashbacks.

EDIT: Also, that episode was naturally rather heavy on the Inara.  Inara was always at least a little bit annoying just from Baccarin's acting, and when you throw on her lah-di-dah space geisha hokum, uck.  She was most tolerable when she was fighting with Mal.  Heart of Gold had her trying to be serious and dramatic.  Which was simply painful.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on May 05, 2018, 06:56:55 PM
Well, it had a guy in a very shiny jacket mounting a military assault on a whorehouse from Luke's landspeeder, firing a laser pistol out the open top.  With the Serenity crew boarded up inside, shooting out the windows.  There were some powerful shark-jumping vibes about that episode.  Like Mal's wince-inducing sexual healing with the madam.  To be fair, it also had some fun moments with Jayne, because whorehouse, but when I revisit the series, I watch that episode last.  Even after the one that's all flashbacks.

EDIT: Also, that episode was naturally rather heavy on the Inara.  Inara was always at least a little bit annoying just from Baccarin's acting, and when you throw on her lah-di-dah space geisha hokum, uck.  She was most tolerable when she was fighting with Mal.  Heart of Gold had her trying to be serious and dramatic.  Which was simply painful.

I always rather thought having the madam take the place of Inara and have that rescue be just a 15 minute backstory for how she ended up on the ship would have been a much better fit for the tone of the show. 
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 05, 2018, 09:40:10 PM
I think Stargate Atlantis had better writing, characters, and acting than most things out there now.  For one thing it wasn't genre blind.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 05, 2018, 10:07:25 PM
I think it was just budget Stargate, and written by people who'd already said everything they had to say.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 05, 2018, 10:25:18 PM
I think Stargate Atlantis had better ... acting than most things out there now.

Oh yeah, especially Dr. Elizabeth "I hope this scene calls for me to be breathy" Weir.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 07, 2018, 04:18:56 PM
Wasn't that budget.  Not like they skimped on special effects in any way, or did any less than SG-1 did in that regard.  Yeah at the time SG-1 was making feature films, whatever.  Movie budgets are larger than most TV shows.

I mean really, budget?  STTOS was budget.  Only to be outdone by old Dr. Who.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Vishniac on May 16, 2018, 08:01:21 PM
I think it was just budget Stargate, and written by people who'd already said everything they had to say.
Budget what?
It had perhaps my most favorite (isn't that a double superlative?) scene of all time: nothing beats this space-launched MIRV attack!  8)
(ok,  GI Joe 2 had a space-launched 'rod from God' kinetic attack but it was a movie, not just a...budget...serie  :D )

The MIRV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg)

The Rod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKf5r_JMAo)
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2018, 08:47:18 PM
Eh, MacGyver cost more than CGI.  -It wasn't bad, exactly, just lacking in heart.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Unorthodox on May 17, 2018, 12:06:56 AM
I think it was just budget Stargate, and written by people who'd already said everything they had to say.
Budget what?
It had perhaps my most favorite (isn't that a double superlative?) scene of all time: nothing beats this space-launched MIRV attack!  8)
(ok,  GI Joe 2 had a space-launched 'rod from God' kinetic attack but it was a movie, not just a...budget...serie  :D )

The MIRV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjAdQpprgg)


My god that was mind numbingly horrible science...

So much wasted weight that could have been spent on more warheads that could have hit a broader target area.  Fuel is for exit, not re-entry.    And ooooo 6 whole warheads.  This was science fiction that was using lower technology than we had at the time of it being made? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P969v7Ryjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P969v7Ryjc)

Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
My god that was mind numbingly horrible science...

No it wasn't.  It's weapons design that differs from your own preconceptions.

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So much wasted weight that could have been spent on more warheads that could have hit a broader target area. 

How do you know it didn't need to be armored to protect the warheads?  Nothing did shoot at the incoming MIRV launcher, but something could have.  AFAIAC it's reasonable to hand wave that this thing was ruggedized for one time, "must not fail" use.

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Fuel is for exit, not re-entry.

That's false.  The missile needs to go as fast as possible to minimize the chance of enemies shooting it down.  The ship just dropped out of warp and wasn't going fast.  It might be a good idea to release the missile before coming out of warp, but I bet the accuracy of ending warp is not guaranteed.  Also, that missile may have need to have been launched under any possible contingency.  If you were expecting your ship to "throw" it and something got in the way of that, you'd have a problem.  So again, "must not fail".

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And ooooo 6 whole warheads.

Ten.  Freeze the frame, there's a full frontal view that shows it quite clearly.

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This was science fiction that was using lower technology than we had at the time of it being made? 

Your preferred simulation has 8 warheads accelerating using fuel on the final approach.  So I think you should check yourself before making pronouncements of "bad science".  The science fiction here is fine.  I think the only real critique is too much air drag on the launch rocket.  It's not streamlined, it's made to look spaceship kewl.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2018, 03:35:02 PM
That's false.  The missile needs to go as fast as possible to minimize the chance of enemies shooting it down.  The ship just dropped out of warp and wasn't going fast.  It might be a good idea to release the missile before coming out of warp, but I bet the accuracy of ending warp is not guaranteed.  Also, that missile may have need to have been launched under any possible contingency.  If you were expecting your ship to "throw" it and something got in the way of that, you'd have a problem.  So again, "must not fail".

If the ship is in orbit of the planet, then it is going very fast almost by definition. If it's not in orbit but moving along with the planet, it would need constant thrust to avoid falling. So a MIRV that just drops out of the ship is fine. When the reentry vehicle is falling, gravity accelerates it until air gets in the way. Any fuel you burn before reaching significant atmosphere is wasted when you slam into the air.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 03:50:59 PM
When the reentry vehicle is falling, gravity accelerates it until air gets in the way.

What part of "we want it to fly faster than gravity or air resistance" don't you understand?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2018, 03:53:51 PM
b, no.  You're trying to argue with a rocket engineer and an astronomer.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 03:59:06 PM
That hasn't made them correct so far.  Unorthodox posted a "better" video, which had the warheads spending fuel, clearly indicating there are reasons to do this.  If he wants to gripe narrowly about the launch vehicle spending fuel, fine, but he's forgetting that this is being done in a combat situation in the far future.  They presumably have technologies that could intercept, unlike our present day, and he simply forgot that.  In his haste to condemn "bad" science.

You know, the people who wrote that scene for Stargate Atlantis, went through a lot of trouble to include some valid science stuff in it.  Like an atmospheric entry cone for instance, nobody twisted their arm to do that.  At what point does one recognize that one is an audience that can't be pleased?

Wargame designers have problems with "Grognards" in the same way.  They think they know everything, and complain endlessly, even when they're wrong.  In the limit, one can't afford to write games for them, because their level of concerns would require a literal moon shot to fulfill.  And similarly with people who want the hardest core of "hard" science fiction.  Go get a job as technical consultant for one of these TV shows if you can do so much better!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Elok on May 17, 2018, 04:09:47 PM
I was not aware that TV shows were hiring consultants off internet forums.  Why am I bothering with this physical therapy program when I could be explaining to guys in Hollywood that their plots suck and their characters are flat?
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2018, 04:16:07 PM
-But, but that would be getting back to talking about what was fundamentally wrong with Stargate: Atlantis...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2018, 04:29:33 PM
Very much not interested in getting into a shouting match about Stargate's science. But in short, the marginal increase in velocity from extra propulsion during reentry is very small due to drag and supersonic turbulence. Maybe it's worth it to overcome that, but doing so is very costly (energy-wise). And if you're in something like low earth orbit, you're already going 7 or 8 km/s.
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2018, 04:36:47 PM
Not to mention that ship had a very good railgun, so no sense in packing MIRVs in the first place...
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 09:02:20 PM
Well if the quality of MIRV is deemed "fundamentally" wrong in SGA, someone needs to get a life.  Find a science blooper that's more egregious than they didn't airstream it, for Pete's sake.  One of the only movies I remember watching that was science realistic, except for the parts that weren't, was 2001: A Space Odyssey.  Yep, space is quiet.  And HAL 9000 can read your lips.  Nevermind the big baby, don't talk about the big baby!
Title: Re: Star Wars VII-IX, what do you think?
Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 09:04:56 PM
Not to mention that ship had a very good railgun, so no sense in packing MIRVs in the first place...

They were fighting Replicators and there was some kind of anti-Replicator reason for those warheads, I vaguely recall.  Remember that thematically in the Stargate franchise, old weapons are often used because they work just fine in various circumstances.  Like machine guns.
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Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 09:07:58 PM
Maybe it's worth it to overcome that, but doing so is very costly (energy-wise).

You're talking about a science fiction future with warp drive and stargates.  All sorts of propulsions can be possible, although in the show's own terms, they're not going to be spending a ZPM on this.  And this is a one shot no fail planet attack weapon.  It can be big to go fast.  Less "science of today" please, more science fiction of tomorrow.
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Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2018, 09:23:15 PM
I love Stargate, Star Trek, Star Wars, and pretty much anything with star in the title, regardless of the awful science. I am more than capable of looking past the vast majority of it, and when I do nitpick, it's because I think it's fun to dive into the nitty gritty and do some math and see how things work out. It's generally not meant as a form of criticism (except in very limited cases where an SF show tries to make an argument from science or the science/tech they use could be explored thoughtfully and the show refuses to do so).

So hey, if you too think it would be fun to get your hands dirty with the math and science, we can examine the claim that the rockets used significantly increase the speed of the warheads. I've already done some rough calculations of terminal velocity for the warheads and have more than enough free time to waste brain cells on the thought experiment.

If that's not fun for you, and if the whole idea of anyone getting nitpicky about the science in SF makes you angry, we can change the subject. Totally up to you.
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Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
I've already done some rough calculations of terminal velocity for the warheads and have more than enough free time to waste brain cells on the thought experiment.


If you want to calculate what contemporary rockets would do in the atmosphere of the Replicator home world, fine, whatever.  I don't personally have the technical background to do so.

You should also calculate what contemporary rockets would do if they were provided with nearly unlimited propulsion speed.  We don't know what various engines are capable of in this particular sci-fi future.  We do know that ZPMs are needed to power flying cities, but these are flying rockets, not cities.  We also know that Naquadah generators (http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Naquadah_generator) are readily available and very powerful.  They are used for all kinds of things where a full blown ZPM would be "plot inappropriate".  Each warhead could have one if they really thought it was important to do it.  The main rocket could certainly have one.

You should also calculate what future rockets do if they invalidate your assumptions about air resistance.  Super-cavitating torpedoes already exist in water today.  Why not some hand-wavy analogue in the future for atmospheric rockets?  That said, the show never talks about such things, so it would be a bit inadequate not to touch on that in the script somewhere.  Also we could surmise from the video that at least the main rocket is pretty ordinary in this regard, as they show off a conventional atmospheric reentry cone.

The main thing that actually irritates me, is when some self-appointed "science guy" indignantly proclaims that something is "wrong", and then makes basic mistakes in harshly announcing how wrong everything is.  Unorthodox just did this on 2 counts: wrong about the number of warheads, and wrong in his own presented video about when fuel is used for reentry.  It says to me that the person isn't even vaguely interested in being fair to a show, or checking their own work, before hurling stones.  I'd almost prefer someone who just says they hate Stargate: Atlantis and can't even articulate their reasons why.  'Cuz then I'd just say ok dude, you're a Hater, moving right along now.  "Science guys", like Grognards, expect to be taken seriously and they're so basically wrong often enough, that why should an author even bother?  Especially when an author did bother.
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Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2018, 10:04:34 PM
"Science guys", like Grognards, expect to be taken seriously and they're so basically wrong often enough, that why should an author even bother?

Hey man, the Ringworld is unstable.
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Post by: BU Admin on May 17, 2018, 10:10:44 PM
This is my srs bidness account.  I don't feel like dealing with an argument getting too heated today, but we're going to see a major improvement in manners here -not you, Lori- or I'm going to do something about it and resent having to.
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Post by: bvanevery on May 17, 2018, 10:36:26 PM
I'll "improve" it by unsubscribing from this thread.  Go pick on someone else's TV show unfairly, or back to Star Wars.
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Post by: BU Admin on May 17, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
That was no improvement, and I wasn't typing for fun.
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Post by: Unorthodox on May 18, 2018, 12:10:04 AM

Your preferred simulation has 8 warheads accelerating using fuel on the final approach.  So I think you should check yourself before making pronouncements of "bad science".  The science fiction here is fine.  I think the only real critique is too much air drag on the launch rocket.  It's not streamlined, it's made to look spaceship kewl.




Well, I'll link to my PREFERRED animation here shortly, that was the only one I could find quickly of one of the multiple MIRV ICBM's developed. 

The peacekeeper had up to 12 warheads, and was deployed in the 80s   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-118_Peacekeeper)

Best animation I know of on how the things work (only 1 warhead on this animation, but the idea)  The warhead fuel is to spin stabilize, not accelerate. 

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNlOsko1H7Q#)


I know that 'it looks cool' to a degree, but deploying a satellite or two that started dropping warheads would have been just as cool.  Arguably the way the horizon worked actually made it more susceptible to interception. 

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How do you know it didn't need to be armored to protect the warheads?  Nothing did shoot at the incoming MIRV launcher, but something could have.  AFAIAC it's reasonable to hand wave that this thing was ruggedized for one time, "must not fail" use.


Frankly, all the more reason for redundancy of more warheads. 

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That's false.  The missile needs to go as fast as possible to minimize the chance of enemies shooting it down.  The ship just dropped out of warp and wasn't going fast.  It might be a good idea to release the missile before coming out of warp, but I bet the accuracy of ending warp is not guaranteed.  Also, that missile may have need to have been launched under any possible contingency.  If you were expecting your ship to "throw" it and something got in the way of that, you'd have a problem.  So again, "must not fail".


Powered flight in this manner actually makes you less accurate thanks to wind resistance and density changes as you plunge further.  Some amount of acceleration from a dive-bomb type maneuver would have been more than enough acceleration for the warheads if you needed them absolutely positively there ASAP. 

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Ten.  Freeze the frame, there's a full frontal view that shows it quite clearly.



I saw 6 explosions.  I'll give them the benefit and suggest 4 were decoy warheads much like the peacekeeper design, which is kinda neat. 

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Post by: Rusty Edge on May 18, 2018, 04:06:40 AM
Saw this on Twitter-
 
"The Packman

All of the Star Wars movies come down to one simple fact: Yoda was right.  They should not have trained Anakin Skywalker, nor Luke Skywalker.  They ignored the guy with 900 years of experience. 
Death of experience in a galaxy far, far away."
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Post by: Unorthodox on May 18, 2018, 06:44:43 AM
Saw this on Twitter-
 
"The Packman

All of the Star Wars movies come down to one simple fact: Yoda was right.  They should not have trained Anakin Skywalker, nor Luke Skywalker.  They ignored the guy with 900 years of experience. 
Death of experience in a galaxy far, far away."

Meh.  The Emperor already had his eyes on Anakin prior to training or not being decided.  Probably just would have hastened his fall to the dark side. 

Same trouble with Luke.  Don't train him, he was already learning and had gained the attention of Vader by the time Yoda got involved.   

In fact, you can make the argument Yoda is most the problem.  Hard ass wouldn't let Anakin be trained, so he ends up with a rookie.  Too blinded to riddle out the sith are right under his nose.  Fails to stop Dooku OR the Emperor in straight up fights.  Then hides away like a coward. 
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Post by: Mart on May 19, 2018, 06:58:06 PM
There is one video on YT, that a parent made a review of the first movie(?) in the new trilogy, that he was with his kid in the movies, who enjoyed the movie a lot. And this gave him understanding, that Star Wars is presently made for the new generation.

So I understand that too. We live in new times, they make movies for people of "new times" and we, the older ones, who were there when the original trilogy premiered, may not like it. When watching SW7 and SW8, I say "WTF is this" several times more often during SW8. Sometimes every few minutes :)

Still, I hope to see some day an acceptable SW7, SW8 and, almost certainly needed for SW9, fan-edit versions. As much as it is possible with the flaws in the scenario. So there is no material to make edits in many cases.

Saying all of this, I think Kylo is very interesting character. And even after SW8, I find Kylo/Ben - Rey relationship very captivating. This makes the new trilogy watchable. (A few other things too).
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Post by: Rusty Edge on May 22, 2018, 03:44:37 AM
Saw this on Twitter-
 
"The Packman

All of the Star Wars movies come down to one simple fact: Yoda was right.  They should not have trained Anakin Skywalker, nor Luke Skywalker.  They ignored the guy with 900 years of experience. 
Death of experience in a galaxy far, far away."

Meh.  The Emperor already had his eyes on Anakin prior to training or not being decided.  Probably just would have hastened his fall to the dark side. 

Same trouble with Luke.  Don't train him, he was already learning and had gained the attention of Vader by the time Yoda got involved.   

In fact, you can make the argument Yoda is most the problem.  Hard ass wouldn't let Anakin be trained, so he ends up with a rookie.  Too blinded to riddle out the sith are right under his nose.  Fails to stop Dooku OR the Emperor in straight up fights.  Then hides away like a coward.

For your ally is The Probability, and a powerful ally it is.
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Post by: Rusty Edge on May 30, 2018, 04:45:51 AM
Who has seen the recent movie?
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Post by: Lorizael on May 30, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
I've seen it. It's predictable, safe, a little cheesy... but a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it and generally liked everybody in it, including Khaleesi who I normally think of as being without any acting talent.
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Post by: Mart on December 18, 2018, 01:06:55 AM
Have you heard? They found the real episode 8 of Star Wars. The one showed in theaters was rejected cuts, distributed by mistake.
The real teaser is on YT:
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Unorthodox on December 18, 2018, 03:25:25 PM
So, I watched Solo the other day off redbox. 

It's not a terrible movie...

But the soundtrack...oh lord. 

The original bits of soundtrack DO NOT sound like Star Wars.  And when they remixed bits of Star War music, it was misplaced. 

YOU DO NOT PLAY LEIA'S THEME JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A TOUCHING MOMENT!  Various other themes were literally spliced in and remixed for soundbites, and it just completely didn't feel right.  It was clear whoever did the sound was given the files and had no understanding for how the soundtrack for Star Wars was designed with the themes. 
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Post by: Mart on December 28, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
Yes, "Solo" maybe is not on the level of original trilogy, but the overall story was good. I am not sure as for consistency with canon, be it new, old or whatever they cook for SW Canon now.


Hungry for more.


People criticize the train in the first part of the movie, but for me it was nice variation for whatever reason there is a train instead of anti-grav ships.
It reminded me of a Firefly episode, where they robbed a train.


I can't find a clip, there is whole episode though on YT.





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Post by: Unorthodox on December 29, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Yes, "Solo" maybe is not on the level of original trilogy, but the overall story was good. I am not sure as for consistency with canon, be it new, old or whatever they cook for SW Canon now.


Hungry for more.


People criticize the train in the first part of the movie, but for me it was nice variation for whatever reason there is a train instead of anti-grav ships.
It reminded me of a Firefly episode, where they robbed a train.


I can't find a clip, there is whole episode though on YT.







This exactly.  It felt more like Firefly than Star Wars. 
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Post by: Mart on December 29, 2018, 05:26:53 PM
It was fun to watch Firefly series. It's a pity they cancelled the show, it had something in it, that made it to want to follow the story-line. I have read, that "Serenity" movie was compression of several next would-be seasons, Whedon just wanted to get the story completed. It was somewhat disappointing for me, that the explanation of mystery was just that, maybe several more season would have made it much better.
I liked the Serenity movie though.

Firefly world/universe/galaxy building is, for me, like some orders of magnitude below that of Star Wars. It just feels like that.
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Post by: Elok on January 09, 2019, 02:38:54 AM
Adopting the same practice I occasionally employ for Marvel movies, I went on YouTube and looked up the two major fight scenes from TLJ (which I didn't bother to see).  The first had terrible choreography and the second did not actually have fighting.  Gah.  Can they, like, not even get the dumb eye-candy part right?
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 09, 2019, 12:18:29 PM
I’m assuming one was the red guys on a red background.  I can’t comment due to my color blindness other than I heard nothing but good about it when it come out but it seems to be popular to bash it now.  My inability to really enjoy that scene definitely added to my disappointment on first watch.  I do think a lot of the complaint videos are nit picking though.  Star Wars really never had great choreography.
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Post by: Elok on January 09, 2019, 03:39:54 PM
Well, yes, the last fight in ROTJ is comically bad.  I'm pretty sure even I could beat Luke, the way he flails that thing around against Vader.  But standards have raised a good deal since then, and if you're going to make a movie that craps all over not only the original trilogy, but even the setup of its immediate predecessor, you should at least be able to get the action scenes right.  I mean, that's all most modern sci-fi movies have to lean on anymore.  Phantom Menace was rubbish, but even that had Darth Maul against the two Jedi.

I actually looked up the throne room fight because I heard it was good.  Was underwhelmed.  Part of it is because of the emotional backdrop; it's hard to give a damn about Miss Invincible and Anakin II, and it's really not believable that they're going to straight-up snuff Emperor Snooker only to fall to a bunch of literally faceless guards right after.  Part of it is that the guard armor is dorky and bears an unfortunate resemblance to the card-soldiers in Tim Burton's horrid Wonderland movie.  Sort of like the cards had babies with the Warhammer space marines, who were then given a bunch of needlessly fussy electric melee weapons.  And part of it is that, particularly at the very beginning, they just look like people pretending to fight out a really cluttered fight sequence.  You can't expect to have like twelve people on the screen at once, all swinging fake weapons at each other, and sell it.  It could have been much worse--they could have gone the Michael Bay route--but it's not all that viscerally exciting as fight scenes go.
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Post by: Lorizael on January 09, 2019, 05:32:31 PM
What are you calling the second major fight scene?
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Post by: Elok on January 09, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
Well, I was expecting Luke vs. Kylo to be some kind of fight; it just didn't wind up with any actual fighting, it was more like a bullfight where, instead of decapitating the bull, the matador calls the bull a nerd then wanders off to die for no reason.  I gather there was a rumble between whatshisguy and chrome-gal too, I didn't look at that one because that's just two palette-swapped NPCs hitting each other.

Probably I'm being at least a little uncharitable because of nerd rage.
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 09, 2019, 06:09:36 PM
Well, yes, the last fight in ROTJ is comically bad.  I'm pretty sure even I could beat Luke, the way he flails that thing around against Vader.  But standards have raised a good deal since then, and if you're going to make a movie that craps all over not only the original trilogy, but even the setup of its immediate predecessor, you should at least be able to get the action scenes right.  I mean, that's all most modern sci-fi movies have to lean on anymore.  Phantom Menace was rubbish, but even that had Darth Maul against the two Jedi.


Standards were above that way before. 

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MqmpL6X_8w#)

But George specifically didn't want it to look like that traditional hollywood sword fight.  I respect that.  But there were samurai films of the period he could have more accurately copied than he did. 

And, from a choreography standpoint, the Maul fight is actually fairly bad.  Visually appealing, yes.  But it's very clear they are swinging for stunning visuals rather than attempting to kill.  Part of the problem of choreographing a saber duel is in keeping with the 'logic' of a lightsaber (which Disney has forgotten btw), meaning a lot of traditional choreography really doesn't work with a weapon that amputates anything it touches. 

As for the throne room fight, I still go back to it being a really bad set for a crowd fight.  Not just the red on red, which absolutely ruins it for me, personally.  Look at any number of martial arts films where insert hero faces horde of villains.  They MOVE and interact around an interesting set location.  Instead, we had a boring flat stage and a camera angle that makes that scene look a lot more like a stage production than a movie. 





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Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 09, 2019, 07:02:06 PM
Fun fact: Basil Rathbone, I've heard, couldn't fence a lick.

-There's a simple way around that without relying on stuntmen/stand-ins...
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 09, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
I'd always heard it was Flynn that was rather lazy on the swordsmanship, but more naturally gifted at it, and Rathbone was kinda known for really working at it.  ? 


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Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 09, 2019, 11:08:04 PM
Beats me.  Only one of them had to be good to make it look good, though.
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 10, 2019, 12:33:03 AM
Yeah, but they both have quite the resume of sword fighting apart from each other. 
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Post by: Elok on January 10, 2019, 02:26:34 AM
So, somebody on another internet scene asked the question of how you would "fix" Star Wars if you got to reboot it in the far future (forty years from now, ignoring the part where we'll all be old and/or dead).  I'll just change it to if you could get a do-over now, or at any point in the past.  How would you do it?  I composed half a movie in my head while fuming after TFA, but let's hear what others have to say first.
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 10, 2019, 02:34:14 AM
Which are we rebooting?  OT, Prequels, Sequels, all? 
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Post by: Elok on January 10, 2019, 02:43:58 AM
Whatever you want/feel like, basically.  You can make Ben Kenobi a talking horse if you like.
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Post by: Lorizael on January 10, 2019, 03:01:09 AM
It's possible that I've written a fairly length treatment of how I would redo the prequels...
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Post by: ColdWizard on January 10, 2019, 04:28:58 PM
It's possible that I've written a fairly length treatment of how I would redo the prequels...

I bet you don't even have Darth Darth Binks in it.
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 10, 2019, 04:50:32 PM
Yeah, I've discussed those ad nauseum as well.  I would say, I think episode 1 works a lot better being the 4th movie than as a true 1st movie, however, so any reboot, starting with 1, would need to address that aspect. 

But basics for prequels:  TEENAGE Anakin.  Forget this electing teens as your political queen bs with Amadala, have her parents die in the invasion, so inexperienced queen.  Jar Jar more street wise thief less bumbling idiot.  Most the rest can really be fixed with proper editting and directing. 

(non special edition) ANH, I wouldn't make any major changes, I don't think. 
ESB, similar. 
RTJ...well...the Ewoks need to be addressed. 
TFA:  I'm actually more ok with it than a lot of fandom.  I lean towards Mark Hamill's idea to change the end, but that's about it:  Kylo just kicked Fynn/Rey's ass, Kylo reaches to force pull the lightsaber, and it flys past him, not to Rey, but to Luke coming out of the forest.  End movie with Leia slapping Luke, then hugging him, cause teh feels. 

Though I do want to say shocky baton storm trooper guy makes NO sense.  Yes, the prequels had the droid guards with the shocky staves that could block lightsabers, but you were fighting an army of Jedi.  There is no reason for shocky baton guy to exist.  There are no Jedi, no expectation of lightsabers, and it's a gun fight. 

While we are at it, that last fight.  Fynn vs Kylo, I'm OK with how Kylo takes his time toying with Fynn...but Fynn gets sliced up the back with a lightsaber and lives?  Really?  Why not take off a leg? 

(Similarly, Kylo gets whacked in the face and barely gets a scratch.  Several of the queen's card warriors (thanks for that image) get sliced and it barely leaves a mark on the armor in TLJ.  Disney keeps nerfing the light saber for some reason.) 

TLJ:  This is a retcon/ignoring the world's buildup mess.  This has to be a complete rewrite. 
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Post by: Elok on January 10, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
Yeah, I rewatched that scene, by the way, and noticed that Kylo begins the fight by deliberately driving his saber into the floor.  Like, he doesn't just nick it by accident, he jams it in like it's the sword in the stone or something.  And the nearest trooper obligingly aims to hit its blade instead of just beating his face in while he's stooped over.  Makes no sense.

For ROTJ, aside from the ewoks, I'd fix Luke's clever palace infiltration plan so that it makes a lick of sense and doesn't appear to revolve around getting everyone captured.  But aside from those two fixes, the original trilogy is basically perfect.  I think the prequels never had any reason to exist, mostly because they came out after we already knew both their broad outlines and how they ended.  I have an idea for a completely different movie instead of TFA, not going to type it up right now.
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Post by: Unorthodox on January 10, 2019, 08:13:53 PM
I think the prequels never had any reason to exist, mostly because they came out after we already knew both their broad outlines and how they ended. 

I had the benefit of watching those through the eyes of my children, for whom these were their childhood.  Watching the entire neighborhood hold Jedi Council in various yards around a trampoline.  I designed star wars bday parties around these films. 

Thus, I disagree whole heartedly.  Any reboot should start with the prequels and tell the story complete.  The Prequels, however poorly executed, give a MUCH better feel for how the galaxy runs.  Who the Jedi are.  How they are typically trained.  Who the Sith are.  There's too much world building in the prequels to ignore.   

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Post by: Elok on January 10, 2019, 08:26:56 PM
I could see it being done better if they'd started with the prequels*.  It could be an interesting story in a world where they were told first, I grant you.

*yes, yes, it would be very hard for them to be done worse...