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Title: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Zoid on December 28, 2012, 07:41:44 AM
They should rename it Ghost Town, 3-4 regulars in the OT and a MP community that has shriveled and died since the WPC Pitboss server went down like a month ago. Locutus went on holiday to India in early October and hasn't been heard of since... That's no way to run a community...  :wall: On the other hand it means I'll probably stay here and dispense my infinite wisdom on sf, food and why the workers need to seize the means of production, crush the state and form anarcho-syndicalistic communes  :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on December 28, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
Wondered what happened.  There was no word on poly or cfc.  Haven't seen Solver online for ages either.

If it's acceptable I might hang here for a little while.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Maniac on December 28, 2012, 12:57:17 PM
Solver's been playing L.A. Noire recently.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Maniac on December 28, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
Locutus may have been burned in his hotel by natives beleagering him with arrow and bow.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 28, 2012, 03:05:59 PM
It's against a policy sisko and I agreed on long ago for me to say most of what I'd like to on this topic, so I'll only say that all are welcome here.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Lord Avalon on December 28, 2012, 06:01:48 PM
So who else thought of this clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Dc-J_mD7c)?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on December 28, 2012, 06:39:31 PM
Oh, now I gotta go find that movie to watch again.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on December 28, 2012, 09:51:46 PM
I was pretty much an outside observer during the WPC heyday. I did occasionally post to ask certain questions that had me stumped. Hey, I figured out how to get rid of that annoying mandatory retirement year from there. (or was it Apolyton, I am not sure) I also occasionally tried to nudge for 14 factions which I will continue to do until an appropriate successor - spiritual or official - comes for this game.

It is okay for them to go on holiday if there is nothing to moderate. They have an average post per day count that is pretty low. I am not sure what they did to chase folks off. It is sometimes the nature of the internet that sites get a following then folks sometimes migrate other places if other better alternatives come up. Once as a site you start hemmorraging users, it can be a vicous cycle. No one posts because no one posts which means even fewer people want to post.  Anyone still use Myspace? Do World of Warcraft players still use COSMOS or CTmod?

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 28, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
Weeellll -

I will make the completely unrelated  ;sarc observation that if you set up as

1.) A modder site. 2.) A better-run site technically (faster page loads and less downtime). and 3.) A no trolling site., and then:

1.) Do nothing for/to encourage modders.  2.) Don't bother to stay on top on forum-running tech issues. and 3.) Allow a few favorites to troll pretty much at will., your forum is not exactly going to rule the innerwebs forever.  If you're that determined to become what you hate, it's a pity if you had to jerk a lot of people around for years in the process.


...Not a great idea to let the only living on-topic gaming group you have left die of neglect, either.  I believe it's been over two months, Zoid...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 28, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
You're right Buncle, it's been two months. Damn... :(
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 28, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
...That's not the smilie I'd like to use in this context at all...

Artemis has been down since October, yes?  Closer to three months by now, really.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 28, 2012, 11:09:06 PM
Yeah, it's deader than a dodo in any case. Not a big loss in my book tbh since most of my games either stalled due to inactivity or waiting for reloads coz players were douches...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 28, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
What? I can't write d0uche?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on December 28, 2012, 11:21:09 PM
I think maybe they were counting on the celebrity of Scient as well. But, for all of Scient's contributions, it is a one trick pony. It would be like CFC only depending on Rye's or Fall from Heaven for users. Yes, you have a useful patch. Yes, you make folks sign up. But, if the community has issues, all the users are going to do is sign in and get the patch/mod. Plus, for every poster on ANY forum, many times more folks are lurkers.

Must have been some other private PM things, too. Notice you do not see Scient or Kyrub around anywhere, eh? I may be reading conspiracy where there is none, but makes you wonder. Is it that your two biggest name modders just moved on to more interesting projects or other games or something more sinister. /tinfoil hat.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 28, 2012, 11:29:34 PM
Green, you're talking about something else entirely now, and as far as I know, speculating wrong. 

What? I can't write d0uche?
sisko came up with the swear filter list - I can take that one off if you really want, but It'd take me a long time, due to the unfortunate way the list works.  I think my parenthetical translations are funny, anyway.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on December 28, 2012, 11:32:16 PM
I have to admit I was part of the problem over there.  That's why I removed myself from any sort of authority over there.  Got to big-headed, overstepped, and became a negative for the site.

The issue they have is the only admin they had who gave a stuff about the site stepped down, and the other two don't have (or don't care to dedicate) the time the site requires.

Hey i'm a big boy.  I can admit I made mistakes.  Hence why I moved on.  :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on December 28, 2012, 11:40:19 PM
You are right BU. I will refrain from entertaining conspiracy theories when I know nothing about the people involved :)

Yeah, it's deader than a dodo in any case. Not a big loss in my book tbh since most of my games either stalled due to inactivity or waiting for reloads coz players were [feminine washing]s...

Zoid, that one is not WPC's fault. It is one of the weaknesses of the 4x genre as a MP game. The games just take too damn long to get enjoyment out of it unless you have the right mix of folks. That commitment is one of the reasons you do not see me grace the MP forums of 4x. I have respect for folks and would never enter into something I could not finish two months down the road.

OT: on swear words. Love or hate goons, but I think Something Awful forums has the most hilarious swear filters...lol.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 28, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
Green, pitboss games don't work without the pitboss server, and that's where all the cIV MP was happening - which was the only MP going and all the on-topic activity left aside from a little posting in Other Games.  I believe blame can correctly be assigned when the server admin vanishes for three months.


I have to admit I was part of the problem over there.  That's why I removed myself from any sort of authority over there.  Got to big-headed, overstepped, and became a negative for the site.

The issue they have is the only admin they had who gave a stuff about the site stepped down, and the other two don't have (or don't care to dedicate) the time the site requires.

Hey i'm a big boy.  I can admit I made mistakes.  Hence why I moved on.  :)
Well, I'll tell you straight, sir; I think they're walking dead without you.  I've been saying so behind your back for quite a while now.

Whatever else you did, there was someone there willing to moderate people, usually before things escalated into crisises.  There was someone visibly active and in charge, putting a face on the management.  The frogs don't want/need Old King Log and Old King Log.  You drew a certain kind of trouble, given your history, and made mistakes, given your temperment, but there was someone there, visible, and taking care of business.  Absentee Landlord is not a viable management style.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on December 29, 2012, 12:12:07 AM
You're right.  For all I did wrong, if there was something needing done, or some cleanup needed, then I got it done.  The other two don't even pay the bills (I know, I still get the host email notifications when they suspend the site).  Note: this instance there was no host suspension, so it's most likely just a server crash.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 29, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
...And I've talked about just this more than once in the Building a Community thread in Council Room - a forum needs people to take an interest in running it even more than it needs to be run well.

I can't say that I don't sympathise with those guys entirely, little as they deserve it - running a forum is a lot of work.  An insane amount of work.  It's stressful and thankless, and very difficult to stay invested in at all times.  It's a thankless job.

-Well, thankless if you don't bother to participate; I get a little something back anytime I can get a good conversation going.  In the end, this forum is a communal effort to get entertained by each other.  I enjoy talking to smart people; smrt is good.

And a big part of good moderating, I think, is finding a good balance between a mania for order and some flexiblity about recognising that it takes all kinds.  sisko and I don't particularly want to moderate anyone, but we don't refuse to moderate - which I'd venture is a big part of the problem over there.  The only mod/admin who much wants to moderate shouldn't be allowed to, IMAO, and the entire rest of the staff aren't willing to at all.  There was already a forum for that...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on December 29, 2012, 02:31:42 AM
Well, all that aside now, what will happen to WPC, will happen.  :)  Not up to us anymore.

As for me, I started my own game company and the first one is in dev now.  So I got other things to worry about.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 29, 2012, 04:33:22 AM
Yeah; my main point, which I went and buried, was that it's hard to stay motivated enough to keep putting the attention to running a forum that it needs. 

I haven't been feeling incredibly motivated myself, lately.  Not that tough to keep focus for a few months, but the long term requires more discipline, what with RL random events and the occasional mood swing.  But smrt is still good.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 29, 2012, 10:06:55 AM
I think maybe they were counting on the celebrity of Scient as well. But, for all of Scient's contributions, it is a one trick pony. It would be like CFC only depending on Rye's or Fall from Heaven for users. Yes, you have a useful patch. Yes, you make folks sign up. But, if the community has issues, all the users are going to do is sign in and get the patch/mod. Plus, for every poster on ANY forum, many times more folks are lurkers.

Must have been some other private PM things, too. Notice you do not see Scient or Kyrub around anywhere, eh? I may be reading conspiracy where there is none, but makes you wonder. Is it that your two biggest name modders just moved on to more interesting projects or other games or something more sinister. /tinfoil hat.

Not wanting to turn this into a "WPC sux" thread, but the sole reason for creating WPC was the internal rift in the moderatorship back at Apolyton. Nothing to do with Scient or Kyrub AFAIK... But this has been discussed to death so let's not go there again...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 29, 2012, 10:12:15 AM
Green, you're talking about something else entirely now, and as far as I know, speculating wrong. 

What? I can't write d0uche?
sisko came up with the swear filter list - I can take that one off if you really want, but It'd take me a long time, due to the unfortunate way the list works.  I think my parenthetical translations are funny, anyway.

I had to google it for alternative meanings, then I got it... ;) But it's not a dirty word, is it? Not like [intercourse]or [not even going to translate that], or even one of the slightly dirty words like bollocks...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on December 29, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
...And I've talked about just this more than once in the Building a Community thread in Council Room - a forum needs people to take an interest in running it even more than it needs to be run well.

I can't say that I don't sympathise with those guys entirely, little as they deserve it - running a forum is a lot of work.  An insane amount of work.  It's stressful and thankless, and very difficult to stay invested in at all times.  It's a thankless job.

-Well, thankless if you don't bother to participate; I get a little something back anytime I can get a good conversation going.  In the end, this forum is a communal effort to get entertained by each other.  I enjoy talking to smart people; smrt is good.

And a big part of good moderating, I think, is finding a good balance between a mania for order and some flexiblity about recognising that it takes all kinds.  sisko and I don't particularly want to moderate anyone, but we don't refuse to moderate - which I'd venture is a big part of the problem over there.  The only mod/admin who much wants to moderate shouldn't be allowed to, IMAO, and the entire rest of the staff aren't willing to at all.  There was already a forum for that...

The thing is you don't have to do it alone if you have dedicated staff who'll keep an eagle eye on the site at all times and work tirelessly behind the scenes trying to keep it tidy. If you have that, but go out of your way to antagonize them (and subsequently kick them out under somewhat humiliating circumstances, thereby making others leave as well) you have noone to blame but yourself...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 02, 2013, 04:13:39 PM
...And I've talked about just this more than once in the Building a Community thread in Council Room - a forum needs people to take an interest in running it even more than it needs to be run well.

I can't say that I don't sympathise with those guys entirely, little as they deserve it - running a forum is a lot of work.  An insane amount of work.  It's stressful and thankless, and very difficult to stay invested in at all times.  It's a thankless job.

-Well, thankless if you don't bother to participate; I get a little something back anytime I can get a good conversation going.  In the end, this forum is a communal effort to get entertained by each other.  I enjoy talking to smart people; smrt is good.

And a big part of good moderating, I think, is finding a good balance between a mania for order and some flexiblity about recognising that it takes all kinds.  sisko and I don't particularly want to moderate anyone, but we don't refuse to moderate - which I'd venture is a big part of the problem over there.  The only mod/admin who much wants to moderate shouldn't be allowed to, IMAO, and the entire rest of the staff aren't willing to at all.  There was already a forum for that...

The thing is you don't have to do it alone if you have dedicated staff who'll keep an eagle eye on the site at all times and work tirelessly behind the scenes trying to keep it tidy. If you have that, but go out of your way to antagonize them (and subsequently kick them out under somewhat humiliating circumstances, thereby making others leave as well) you have noone to blame but yourself...

As I've said several times.  The only way is merciless handling of actual trolls.  Warnings are generally for pansies
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 02, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
So, WPC is down for the count it seems? 

Anyone know where everyone there went?  A number of the old demogamer folks I would like to keep up with, would love if they would come on over here.  I briefly glanced at poly and CFC and didn't see anything...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 02, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
That kinda mystifies me, too.  I've been looking for comments at those places, surprized not to find any.

I have emails for a lot of people -most of the IV-heads- so I guess you should PM me, and I'll see if I can find something for you...

...And I've talked about just this more than once in the Building a Community thread in Council Room - a forum needs people to take an interest in running it even more than it needs to be run well.

I can't say that I don't sympathise with those guys entirely, little as they deserve it - running a forum is a lot of work.  An insane amount of work.  It's stressful and thankless, and very difficult to stay invested in at all times.  It's a thankless job.

-Well, thankless if you don't bother to participate; I get a little something back anytime I can get a good conversation going.  In the end, this forum is a communal effort to get entertained by each other.  I enjoy talking to smart people; smrt is good.

And a big part of good moderating, I think, is finding a good balance between a mania for order and some flexiblity about recognising that it takes all kinds.  sisko and I don't particularly want to moderate anyone, but we don't refuse to moderate - which I'd venture is a big part of the problem over there.  The only mod/admin who much wants to moderate shouldn't be allowed to, IMAO, and the entire rest of the staff aren't willing to at all.  There was already a forum for that...

The thing is you don't have to do it alone if you have dedicated staff who'll keep an eagle eye on the site at all times and work tirelessly behind the scenes trying to keep it tidy. If you have that, but go out of your way to antagonize them (and subsequently kick them out under somewhat humiliating circumstances, thereby making others leave as well) you have noone to blame but yourself...

As I've said several times.  The only way is merciless handling of actual trolls.  Warnings are generally for pansies
[shrugs]  Of course, but y'know, having the forum actually up and running is a bit more important than even that.  I was there before the place even went public, and I believe this is by far the longest they've ever let it stay crashed - and at a pretty bad time, too.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 02, 2013, 06:59:55 PM
I've spoken with donald (who had spoken to Solver) via e-mail, apparently the server has gone down hard, the web host need to reboot it. Solver tries to contact them, it might be a while before the site is up again...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on January 03, 2013, 06:44:55 AM
I've spoken with donald (who had spoken to Solver) via e-mail, apparently the server has gone down hard, the web host need to reboot it. Solver tries to contact them, it might be a while before the site is up again...

Yeah I spoke to Solver via Skype today.  Seems it was a comedy of errors, plus he wasn't at home so had a dodgy internet connection at best.  Will probably be a couple of days.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 03, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
A comedy of errors? :D
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 03, 2013, 02:30:34 PM
If they are billed anything like my host, I can easily see it becoming a comedy of errors in a hurry.  I love the host 10 months out of the year, but the billing center for the place is royally messed up.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 03, 2013, 02:55:09 PM
It's probably a comedy of errors like a project I was involved with once. You got a bunch of admins who mean well, but only one person has root access that does not care/ away/ lord knows. The project I was in died because of all that. Worse, only the one with root controls the bill. Lack of communication did not help either.

Hopefully they will get it together.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 03, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
A comedy of errors? :D

So this is an actual phrase? I thought I was pretty fluent in english, but new things pop up from time to time... :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 03, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
Yah; that's Shakespeare or something.  Is the meaning not pretty evident?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 03, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
I thought it was some auto-correct error, that's pretty comic in itself... :D
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 03, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
Yah; that's Shakespeare
Not one of his better efforts...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on January 04, 2013, 09:31:06 AM
Yah; that's Shakespeare
Not one of his better efforts...

Legend has it that Comedy of Errors and The Tempest were the only two plays under his name, that he actually wrote himself.  And that explains why they are so different from all his other plays, being bland and strict to the classical unities.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 04, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Legend has it that Comedy of Errors and The Tempest were the only two plays under his name, that he actually wrote himself.  And that explains why they are so different from all his other plays, being bland and strict to the classical unities.

The irony being that the person who first suggested such a thing did so in jest.  Basically claiming to doubt Christ was as crazy as doubting Shakespeare. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 09, 2013, 06:21:09 AM
Some of us moved to CGN, I was registering but it said it already had a Zoid and the site had my e-mail on record. I'd completely forgot that we played a SPDG there and I had 901 posts when I checked...  :danc:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on January 10, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
WPC is back up.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 18, 2013, 07:32:02 PM
Down again?  So soon?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 18, 2013, 07:35:39 PM
Either down or blocked, not entirely sure.  Seemed blocked earlier, looks more like down now. 

 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 19, 2013, 12:09:26 AM
We need a facepalm smiley...

(http://robinbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/double-facepalm1.jpg)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 19, 2013, 12:13:18 AM
(http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.net/image/demotivational-poster/0903/epic-face-palm-face-palm-demotivational-poster-1236742013.jpg)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 19, 2013, 03:14:51 PM
On day two, now...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 19, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
Let's see if Dale comes back to lighten up our day... Maybe we should start a "global warming is a hoax"-thread so he feels more at home?   ;) :stickpoke:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 19, 2013, 04:59:59 PM
Never.  I'm tempted to delete your post for even suggesting it.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 19, 2013, 05:32:13 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 19, 2013, 06:50:56 PM
:(
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 19, 2013, 07:57:02 PM


Me thinks the guy that has the keys is not interested/ does not care. You can bellyache all you want as a sysop or mod. Trust me, I have been there. I have the feeling that is what you are seeing. Plus, trying to get money for hosting from folks you only know online through posts securely. Ad money is not there when the site is down. Niether is it there when traffic is down. Viscous cycle.

Then again, many folks do not want to admin things unless they have thousands of unique hits a day.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 20, 2013, 05:38:32 AM
No worry, they have their ways of getting the money - and all it cost them is their principles.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 20, 2013, 05:04:06 PM
Indeed, they have their sugar daddy...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 21, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
Talk of the devil... I apologize for summoning the dark one, BUncle...  ;nutz;
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on January 21, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
This is a really fast and clean forum.  I'll email Lancer and get him to come post here too.  We can get the whole gang back together.  Just like the old days eh?  :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 21, 2013, 06:57:51 PM
Uno is going to be happy with me for this.

Enjoy your week's vacation, troll.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 21, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
How about the Fritzl avatar? ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 21, 2013, 07:32:47 PM
Next time; I've abused my powers enough for today.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 22, 2013, 12:25:29 AM
Next time; I've abused my powers enough for today.

Unrelated to WPC's woes but..

You need a custom "Banned" avatar like they have at other forums. Maybe the nerve staple chamber? That way us mere mortals can eat popcorn and point.

But anyways, gratz. You may soon have refugees coming over out of the two people that posted there. That place seemed pretty deadish.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 22, 2013, 01:53:13 AM
Uno is going to be happy with me for this.

Enjoy your week's vacation, troll.

 :salute:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 22, 2013, 02:55:22 AM
;)

Next time; I've abused my powers enough for today.

Unrelated to WPC's woes but..

You need a custom "Banned" avatar like they have at other forums. Maybe the nerve staple chamber? That way us mere mortals can eat popcorn and point.

But anyways, gratz. You may soon have refugees coming over out of the two people that posted there. That place seemed pretty deadish.
That's not a bad idea, maybe.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 22, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
...I note that PolyCast jumped ship Saturday...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 23, 2013, 04:42:24 AM
Where did you see that?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 23, 2013, 04:58:49 AM
Dan posted about it on the 19th at CFC, the ship to which he's jumped, I gather, and 'poly.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on January 23, 2013, 04:42:53 PM
Ouch! That's gotta hurt... ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 23, 2013, 07:18:44 PM
Do not blame them.

Not that Polycast has the listenership of say, TotalBiscuit formerly of WoW radio. But, it does nothing for listeners to be stationed out of a dead website.

Speaking of Polycast, how come they have not done what all the big game podcasters have done and moved shop to Youtube? Some of the bigger podcasters are literally paying thier rent and living off of Youtube monetization/ads.

Hell.... I want to make a living doing content and yakking and typing. I am jealous.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 23, 2013, 07:51:38 PM
A living doing content and yakking and typing does sound sweet.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 23, 2013, 08:22:56 PM
No, it dont.  I'm never interested in one thing very long and it would eventually become a big pain in the ass to talk ad nauseum about ANYTHING. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 23, 2013, 08:40:04 PM
No, it dont.  I'm never interested in one thing very long and it would eventually become a big pain in the ass to talk ad nauseum about ANYTHING. 

Well.. you do it like John Bain (TotalBiscuit) did. He did podcasts on World of Warcraft back in the day. At first, it was out of his own pocket and he worked at a slave job to support buying better audio equiptment. He practiced voice to where he could talk nonstop and sound good without stuttering or "umms" and "ahhs" religously. He KEPT talking about World of Warcraft even LONG after he could not even stand it. BUT, in the meantime, he had side podcasts on topics he REALLY liked - general games and reviews. When he finally got listenership for his general gaming shows, and did not need the World of Warcraft coverage to eat, he dropped WoW coverage like a hotcake

Now.. Uno.. you are right. That guy and even other folks have to put out content like a full time job most of the time editing thier own stuff too. They have to sound good. No one wants to listen to some dude [complaint or disagreeable woman] and moan or sound like crap.

BUT - the payoff. You are not rich. You also still have to work. But YOU make your own schedule, not some [jerk, sphincter] boss who does not give two shits about you. You are also doing something you have a passion for.

Only thing is it took most of them years of being broke out of pocket and building a following to get there. Plus, still a lot of luck and talent.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on January 24, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
err.. sorry about that. Totally derailed thread wishing I was my own boss along with over analyzation and a healthy amount of angst.

But, if I am going to be the last post, I think this sums it up for all time barring a resurrection that I do not see happening:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 17, 2013, 04:39:15 PM
Down since sometime Friday and counting...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on March 17, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
I wonder what the problem is this time?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 17, 2013, 06:27:34 PM
Hypocrisy.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on March 17, 2013, 06:39:23 PM
Someone needs to get their [poop] together...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2013, 08:25:25 PM
Again?  So soon?

I shouldn't mention schadenfreude...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on March 28, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
The thread should be renamed into "A certain site's Downtime History".. ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 01, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
It's Solvers idea of an April Fools joke I think... We are not amused ;q;
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 01, 2013, 03:21:58 PM
The thread should be renamed into "A certain site's Downtime History".. ;)

Indeed, the site has gone down on us more times than a cheap hooker...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2013, 03:37:54 PM
Maybe it's a just universe after all.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on April 02, 2013, 09:42:33 PM

Ouch, do I detect a grudge?!!

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2013, 10:09:20 PM
Why would I have a grudge?  :whistle:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on April 03, 2013, 05:59:39 AM
You know it isn't nice to throw rocks at them from over here.  I remember being told that by a number people about Apolyton when we first set WPC up.

Just makes that person seem like a nasty-pasty.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 03, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
Because trolling is okay, right?  Good one, bro.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on April 03, 2013, 07:03:52 PM
No not trolling, just returning a piece of good advice that you once gave me years ago.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 03, 2013, 07:53:26 PM
The Lion King - Hakuna Matata - Official [HD] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abjAqvdGZgM#ws)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on April 03, 2013, 10:00:11 PM
 ;b;
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 04, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
Odd. 

According to this: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com)  it's been down most of the time for about a week, but I can usually get in...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 16, 2013, 04:37:29 PM
Guess what?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2013, 04:55:13 PM
Again?

Start a recipe thread, or something.  I'll entertain you. ;D
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 16, 2013, 06:38:29 PM
...aaaand it's up again... I'm terrible with recipes, I make it up as I go along. Most of the times it works... ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
You'll think of something.

Shall I post the first Science Fiction movie w/sound for you?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on April 16, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Most of the times it works... ;)

Pasta with potato's?  :o
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 16, 2013, 08:39:01 PM
You'll think of something.

Shall I post the first Science Fiction movie w/sound for you?

Yes please :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2013, 08:40:05 PM
This won't take long - check the Flash Gordon thread in a few, since it's related...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 16, 2013, 08:40:53 PM
Most of the times it works... ;)

Pasta with potato's?  :o

Gnocchi :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
I make a mean pork roast, but it's not a recipe...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 24, 2013, 06:02:21 PM
Looks like 'poly is down today - I wonder if the furries are making trouble elsewhere.  They usually tough out short-ish downtimes before they go wandering...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 24, 2013, 09:40:41 PM
It's up for me...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 25, 2013, 08:34:16 AM
D'oh! I read WPC, not 'poly... :D That site is definitely down...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 25, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
It's over 24 hours down now, too; soon, the furries will get bored and go looking for entertainment...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 25, 2013, 08:37:11 PM
Hope you have your furrie spray handy?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 25, 2013, 08:47:53 PM
Naw, our only furry is a good bloke. 

That other place freaked right the [intercourse] out, though, when 'poly had an extended outage beginning of February last year and the kids got bored and came over to play.  They didn't do anything very interesting/malicious, but you'll recall the staff losing it pretty bad...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on April 25, 2013, 09:11:55 PM
I remember... It was not a pretty sight... :(
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 25, 2013, 09:29:31 PM
Honestly; trying to tell your best troll-handler how to handle trolls...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 25, 2013, 09:56:52 PM
Honestly; trying to tell your best troll-handler how to handle trolls...


It made for a good movie. 

The Troll Hunter - Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM#ws)

(seriously, good movie with the above plot more or less...)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 25, 2013, 10:01:10 PM
...I thought that was going to be that "VanHelsinged" Hansel and Gretel movie until I read the title, and was surprised to see you praising...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 25, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
It's seriously good, provided you understand the mythology at all.  82% on rottentomatoes.  Perhaps the best 'found footage' film I've ever seen, honestly. 

Then, if you don't like that style, stay away. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 29, 2013, 02:31:04 PM
Again?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 11, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
'poly seems to have just gone down - as I was about to send the owners a long PM about stirring up activity in their AC forum.  Frustrating.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2013, 01:32:43 AM
Finally -

Quote
vBulletin Message



Sorry, Apolyton is unavailable at the moment while we are doing some maintenance.

We will be back soon...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 12, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
'poly's back up - it still wasn't two hours ago.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 13, 2013, 12:22:22 AM
'poly's back up - it still wasn't two hours ago.

I doubt a good medium sized board like poly would have the same issues some of these smaller boards have...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2013, 12:39:24 AM
I dunno, but it seems to be down again now.  Down For Everyone Or Just Me (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/) confirms.

[shrugs] I got my PM sent.  I'll live.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2013, 01:18:57 AM
For some reason, I'm having trouble checking CFC, ATM, and  Down For Everyone Or Just Me says I'm being a flatulent fairy.  Had the same problem for an hour yesterday.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2013, 01:19:36 AM
-And CFC immediately made a liar of me...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 13, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
 ;lol
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2013, 05:50:42 PM
-And Geo immediately laughed at me...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 13, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Laughed with you.
Perhaps not in English, but there's a difference in my language
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 13, 2013, 06:58:38 PM
Same in English.

It's okay, either way. ;b;  I do not get my back up when a humorous posts get a laugh.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 03:00:08 AM
Ugh.  I saw about E_T's sister, which forced me to do something I swore I never, ever, would - at least I finally changed my location while I was at it.  There go my [intercourse gerund] nerves again.

Uno, Rusty, you guys let me know if anything interesting gets said.  I'm probably not going to be able to bear checking for a while.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 04:34:24 AM
However, what I said over there was deeply heartfelt.  I've been crying since; I miss my daddy.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 15, 2013, 05:35:22 AM
It was well worth the time and tears you put into it. Great post. Thanks for sharing and alerting me.

Dale commended you and thanked you for your post. He said it makes him think about loved ones he still has.

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 05:48:16 AM
Oh, good.  I had to email it to my mother and siblings.  I imagine Buster's Daddy will get a sermon out of it.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 15, 2013, 03:19:18 PM
I never know what to say in these kind of sharings. The closest I ever had of seeing succumb to a disease like cancer was the mother of the partner of a friend of mine.
I my family all grandparents, and their siblings I know of, died at an advanced age. Sometimes hastened by dementia.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 03:24:48 PM
I think it's important to make some sort of expression of compassion.  you can even say that you don't know what to say.

Remember the episode of Buffy when her mother died?  Her friends where kind of quiet in that episode; you could see them not knowing what to say.  That was effectively done, and the way it really is.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on August 15, 2013, 03:29:27 PM
Standing around quietly don't translate to the interwebs well.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: JarlWolf on August 15, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
Cancer's claimed both my first wife (which grieved me greatly, I'd REALLY don't want to go into that subject. It was a long time ago but I think you all understand that.) and a very close friend of mine and I had the threat of cancer at one point with one of my kidneys, but the healthcare system managed to catch its growth early and simply cut it. It damaged that kidney unfortunately and then add in other issues with my kidneys, it means I have to get boosters for dialysis and go in for dialysis treatment every 6 months.

Your grandmother is a tough woman, I can tell you that much.
It's not a light subject for anyone, and you've got serious strength for even talking of it at all Uno.

Edit: Again, I have to make this clear. If there is responses to this continuing this, take no offence if I don't really join in again. It's a really sore subject for me.

 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 03:41:08 PM
Did anyone read the fic I did with Ali for the first team GotM about Miriam's brother?  All that stuff about wanting to hide from visitors/well-wishers was autobiographical, except that I really could in RL.  The stuff about gritted teeth and thinking "why didn't you tell her that when she was alive?" was my mom at her dad's funeral.  -At that one, I was far enough down the receiving line that I could duck out and avoid shaking most hands I didn't want to.  At Daddy's, though, it was just the four of us, and I did my duty.

I still hid from a lot of visitors at home, though.  I had a duty at the public ceremony to be gracious; I didn't owe anyone that in my own home randomly for three weeks.  (I didn't hide from EVERYONE, of course.  Just a lot of church people I didn't really know anymore, and not all of them, depending.)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 15, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
I remember something about a son of a 'union' between  ;miriam; and  ;cha;, but that's it...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 15, 2013, 05:16:46 PM
I'm avoiding that thread like the plague.  hEt's mom, dad, my mom, my grandma all has teh cancer.  (though my grandma seems to be all but impervious to it, had "aggressive" cancer for 15 years now, no treatment, just giving it the bird)  Pulled the plug on 3 people now, on board to do so for 4 more.  Stiff upper lip and all that.  More likely I have some very perverted emotional coping mechanisms that this stuff just doesn't hit me in a normal way.

I understand, I can keep an eye on that thread.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
You creeped them out, of course.  This is your own site and not the Halloforum?



Did anyone read the fic I did with Ali for the first team GotM about Miriam's brother?
I remember something about a son of a 'union' between  ;miriam; and  ;cha;, but that's it...
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=1377.msg3516#msg3516 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=1377.msg3516#msg3516)

Ali wrote most of the first passage describing Manuel; the rest is all me, and I think it's the best story I've ever written.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 16, 2013, 04:16:58 PM
You know, when I was over there posting the other night, I was really struck by two things:

A) The sign-in bug is insanely annoying.  There. is. no. excuse. for. that. to. still. be. there. from. January.  One imagines that not a soul currently active there hasn't checked 'keep me signed in', or there would be NO ONE active - it's certainly no way to draw any newbs, ever.  This fails the Moby Dick test utterly.

B) Activity levels in OT are pathetic.  I've never seen it so slow.  The last post at the bottom of the page is from June 6th, while our Rec Commons last post is from last week.  I knew this was going to happen when I left, but I'm shocked anyway; it's obvious that B follows naturally from A, and I didn't think they were dumb enough to fail in such a basic way.

Moby Dick, gentlemen; he doesn't work as anything if he doesn't work as a whale.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 17, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
Well, maybe Moby could find work as a Beluga...  ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2013, 12:13:51 PM
Sea World?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 17, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
I'm sure he'd make a big splash.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2013, 05:34:41 PM
Belugas like to vomit buckets of water on people.  -I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but the video was funny.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 17, 2013, 07:03:58 PM
Belugas are a cross between dolphins an the Michelin man. And they can turn their head like an owl.

What I always think of them is that a polar bear can haul a Beluga out of the ocean and onto the ice with one swipe of it's paw. Polar bears are really strong.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 17, 2013, 07:04:16 PM
Wouldn't you get sick knowing some voracious species eats what you lay after breeding time?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
Depends on what she looks like.

Uh, the caviar is from a fish.  The whales are no relation.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 17, 2013, 07:18:51 PM
I knew something was fishy about the posts here. :(
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2013, 08:45:17 PM
At least signing in here doesn't take jumping ten hoops with a beluga whale on your back while fighting a really strong white bear...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 17, 2013, 09:44:42 PM
At least signing in here doesn't take jumping ten hoops with a beluga whale on your back while fighting a really strong white bear...

  :writer:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
Ha.  I don't know what got that hair up my butt, but I just called CFC out on moderation policy (something to do with I'd just been discussing  ;yang;) http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12712818&postcount=54 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12712818&postcount=54)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: JarlWolf on August 18, 2013, 12:32:07 AM
Glad I invigorated your thinking on that. Though, I will be honest, this is the only forum I even bother with anymore. I just don't have the energy to commit to any others.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 18, 2013, 12:39:50 AM

Ha.  I don't know what got that hair up my butt, but I just called CFC out on moderation policy (something to do with I'd just been discussing  ;yang;) [url]http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12712818&postcount=54[/url] ([url]http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12712818&postcount=54[/url])


Ironically, you have a point, BU.

Only the trolls and rabble rousers really care about bans and red text. Most sensible folks just do not post on over moderated boards.

In CFC's case, though, I have empathy. They are to the Civ series what MMOchampion is to World of Warcraft and a very large amount of posters. If this board got that big, you would start to have huge problems occasionally with trolls, meanness, and dumbness. You would have to have a team of about 3 siskos and 10 BUs. One of those BUs may not BU-like. It is numbers. It just happens on large boards. Aslo, both CFC and MMOchampion are NEWS BOARDS. So, they have to disallow some talk to keep getting inside information that other sites do not.

BUT - a caution. Up until around 2010, there was a forum board called Elitist Jerks. It was intelligent theory craft for WoW raiding and the go to spot for learning the game on an advanced level. It's catch was it did not allow "game speak" and made posters type in complete sentences, use reason, and only post constructive posts. Seemed heavy handed, but was refreshing knowing the drek of most MMO boards. But, soon, they started going overboard. You could not even ask a question over there or they would ban you for not using the search feature which did not work well. Any alternative theories of playing a class or experimental things were deleted. By over-moderation, it became a shadow of it's former self.

Then again, I just lurk on CFC.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2013, 01:01:30 AM
I must say that I value the quality of the written language as it is on display at AC2 -- but that as POLICY?  Huh.

We've established our culture and its tone, so I should hope we'll never grow so fast the scenario you describe happens.  The culture and tone save me a LOT of work.  If we were getting too many kids acting like kids, though, make no mistake about what I would do.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 18, 2013, 01:09:12 AM
I must say that I value the quality of the written language as it is on display at AC2 -- but that as POLICY?  Huh.

We've established our culture and its tone, so I should hope we'll never grow so fast the scenario you describe happens.  The culture and tone save me a LOT of work.  If we were getting too many kids acting like kids, though, make no mistake about what I would do.


Yeah, BU... most forums are TAME on moderation compared to EJ.

Check out their rules. Imagine TO THE LETTER that on CFC or even here for fun. Also, numbers. 300 online (which still makes it a medium sized board) versus 20K 4 years ago.

http://elitistjerks.com/f34/a65-forum_rules_updated_7_14_10/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f34/a65-forum_rules_updated_7_14_10/)

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2013, 01:16:08 AM
I ain't got time for people who think like that.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 18, 2013, 01:56:26 AM
I ain't got time for people who think like that.

I agree.

Funny thing is, some are masochists. I just saw a name from some of my WoW days on Twisting Nether. That guy got infracted just for asking an obscure question. Mods said he should have simulated it himself and posted the answer!
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2013, 02:02:53 AM
They should die in a fire.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 18, 2013, 02:45:15 AM
The glories of forums.  Trolls, Alts, and immoderate moderators.

I do love them. I met my wife on a forum once.  I moderated one for years. I think the important things about moderation are good judgment and consistency.

Let me tell you about a history forum I once joined to learn more about an artifact I'd purchased, and find others with whom I could discuss the period and place.

It was fading. Not because of the moderation so much as the regulars.  They were well behaved without being polite. They weren't very open to new ideas. They didn't like to be questioned. They weren't very helpful to new members.  They were more likely to say "Oh, this again!" rather than, "We had an excellent discussion on this very topic the year before last. I don't have time now, but give me a day and I can find it or summarize it for you. "

 If you expect newbies to read the entire forum before they're allowed to start a thread... good luck with that.

Good grammar is great, but an English forum should make allowances for non-native speakers.

It's important to remember the difference between a forum and a wiki.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2013, 02:55:14 AM
Yep.  Yepyepyepyepyep.

Heck, I was just taking care of a newb over at 'poly.  gwilly answered him first, at that.

And I was talking to another at CFC this morning.

And, of course, our own newb early this afternoon.

Go read the CGN Forum Closure thread in ToE - I posted a speech about this yesterday.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 18, 2013, 03:05:19 AM
I love how these threads evolve.
It started with hosting woes from WPC and has grown to a full grown talk of other boards thread.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2013, 03:12:28 AM
What we do here, if the OP doesn't object and especially in Rec Commons, is let what Maniac describes as "the natural flow of conversation" happen.

(BTW, I'll be traveling all day tomorrow, and be out of touch 'til Monday.)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 18, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
Ugh.  I saw about E_T's sister, which forced me to do something I swore I never, ever, would - at least I finally changed my location while I was at it.  There go my [intercourse gerund] nerves again.

Uno, Rusty, you guys let me know if anything interesting gets said.  I'm probably not going to be able to bear checking for a while.

ET finally returned to the thread. He quoted your entire post ( and no one else's ), and said only this-

"Much appreciated, Buncle. Wish you were still here, but it's good to know that your watching. A community is made up of many people, all different in their own ways, but all needed for that same difference, just the same.


 And thanks to everyone for your support.

 E_T "
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 19, 2013, 05:21:35 AM
Spaced Cowboy quoted Buncle and said

 " This is the best post that I have ever read in my entire life. Somewhere in this post is the meaning of life; the sage that can only spam while he is here, comes from above and drops a bomb. "
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 09:18:20 AM
[winces] He just had to go and say spam to me.  That ruins everything.

Did anyone even notice that I got trolled off that site forever by people screaming spam?



I did some thread surgery to try to reach a balance between the wishes of the OP and attempting to keep the surgeried conversation coherent.  I apologize if that bothers anyone.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 19, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
I guess this is natural flow of conversation.

Besides being helpful to newbies, a forum member should be tolerant, in a golden rule sort of way, because you may need it yourself sometime.

People don't always share the same sense of humor, or the same sense of political or environmental concern or outrage. Just because I find something boring or annoying, doesn't mean that the person who posted it wasn't trying to make me laugh, or warn me about some peril I might want to act against while there was still time.

Then there's the matter of maladies and medications.... sometimes I'm a darn dimwit.... and I really can't help it.
So I make allowances for others, because I need it myself sometimes.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 19, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
So I make allowances for others, because I need it myself sometimes.


Thanks for the reminder, Rusty.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 07:54:31 PM
Yeah, we nerdz tend to have a problem of being (too) annoyed when someone is wrong on the internet.  A mature person has less trouble grokking the concept of just staying out it if it doesn't appeal.  Nerdz, take longer to learn that, if ever.  That very thing was my undoing in the past.

I note that this thread, which actually started as WPC grousing by Zoid, of which the Long Crash was only a part, mutated into mostly down reports, and is currently taken up talking about our own behavior - THAT's a profitable line of discussion.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 19, 2013, 08:21:02 PM
Tell me about it. I just saw a comment thread on youtube where it is devolving into personal attacks and questions on the sexuality of the poster and immediate family. You would think that the topic was important for that, no?

The whole deal was they were using the word "Argo" instead of Yomato in the Star Blazers 2099 trailer English dubs.

Sigh.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
Yes.  That right there.

I get all snotty in the Star Trek thread about fake Star Track, but none of that's really directed at fans o' fake.  As I get older, I increasingly get better at not getting all angry and hostile towards people over what is honestly of difference of opinion.  The world is made less bland and better by having people who are wrong in it, and it behooves me to stifle my impulse to be a jerk to them; the world is made better by that, too.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 19, 2013, 08:48:51 PM
So I make allowances for others, because I need it myself sometimes.


Thanks for the reminder, Rusty.
An excellent example.

Well, I used to perceive you as somebody who was trying to bait people, but when I began to think of you as somebody who was usually just trying to lighten the mood, I came to appreciate your style.  Thank you for that.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
Oh, a lot of the time, he IS baiting people - he and I have very frequently given each other a hard time.  It's funny and fun, maybe just for us, but that's not nothing.

Rusty, have you never realized that I'm a troll?  I'm just selective about who I troll, and how, and I'm not playing for blood.  I understand the guys who do a little, though, because I remember being 13.

[shrugs]  I don't troll you.  Couldn't say why - but I hope it's me actually getting a good read on a guy without trying.  That's a necessary skill if you want to have friends who aren't trolls, when you are...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on August 19, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
Woe be upon you all on the increasingly rare days I flip on the Troll hat.  Buncles out-troll the trolls style was something I always enjoyed watching with a grin in rememberence of my days way back on DiabloII.net.  Ah well.  I had mostly relegated my trolling to demogames...but those are an endangered species these days.  Now I just occasionally spar on Raiders forums. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on August 19, 2013, 09:21:55 PM
I tried to log in to WPC and failed. I haven't really been back there since I quit my last Pitboss game a few weeks back but it would be nice to give E_T my condoleances...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on August 19, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
It's the login bug.  Log in, make sure you hit the 'stay logged in', you'll get the error page, then you'll have to reload the main page (or a forum page) to see it actually logged in.  Pain in the rear. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 19, 2013, 09:42:37 PM
Quote from: geo
Thanks for the reminder, Rusty.
An excellent example.

Well, I used to perceive you as somebody who was trying to bait people, but when I began to think of you as somebody who was usually just trying to lighten the mood, I came to appreciate your style.  Thank you for that.

It's sometimes pure mirror style, as you might have gathered from BU's reaction. ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
Buncles out-troll the trolls style was something I always enjoyed watching with a grin
:D  Say on; I always fancied that I was really good at handling those punks, but nobody ever really said they thought so before.

I'm actually doing some PhD - level trolling this week, you know; I'm trolling the staff of CFC in their own Site forum, and getting away with it so far.  -Alas, I have to be boring and admit that that's only a tiny, tiny aspect of what I'm doing - it's actually a sincere attempt to persuade them to repent their evil ways, and it suits my persuasive purpose to not entirely conceal my resentment.  But I did open with a nebulous insult.  [shrugs] Define "troll".
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Zoid on August 19, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
It's the login bug.  Log in, make sure you hit the 'stay logged in', you'll get the error page, then you'll have to reload the main page (or a forum page) to see it actually logged in.  Pain in the rear. 

Tx mate, that worked. :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on August 19, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Buncles out-troll the trolls style was something I always enjoyed watching with a grin
:D  Say on; I always fancied that I was really good at handling those punks, but nobody ever really said they thought so before.

Nah, when you're not totally in the mood for it, you're b(a)iting yourself then.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
I don't understand.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on August 19, 2013, 10:22:33 PM
Say on; I always fancied that I was really good at handling those punks, but nobody ever really said they thought so before.

It's like watching a chess match, you don't exactly cheer from the sidelines. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2013, 10:32:45 PM
The best trolls, actually, are pretty invisible - the time I trolled Asher and walked away clean was probably my best work in counter-trolling, as I don't think anyone including him spotted that it was a deliberate malicious troll.  What he always does with the obvious feigned innocence is actually pretty entry-level stuff, his entire reputation as the arch-troll being based solely on energy and volume. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 20, 2013, 02:12:57 AM
Oh, a lot of the time, he IS baiting people - he and I have very frequently given each other a hard time.  It's funny and fun, maybe just for us, but that's not nothing.

Rusty, have you never realized that I'm a troll?  I'm just selective about who I troll, and how, and I'm not playing for blood.  I understand the guys who do a little, though, because I remember being 13.

[shrugs]  I don't troll you.  Couldn't say why - but I hope it's me actually getting a good read on a guy without trying.  That's a necessary skill if you want to have friends who aren't trolls, when you are...

As for not trolling me, your instincts are correct. If you did I  would likely get irritated at some point, decide you weren't worth my time or thought, and either ignore you or go away.


Yeah, I've seen it. Sometimes you're over the top, but you must go through a lot of moods in a cycle, and I cut you extra slack.  It must be difficult socially. I have enough trouble matching moods with people myself as it is. I have no idea how you manage. 

After all, I've benefited from your periods of omnipresence and hyper-productivity, and I'm grateful for what you've done for me artistically, and for cleaning things up promptly on the forums you serve.

Which raises a question....  now that I've been throwing around things about forums, ( let me count, I frequent 4 other forums as often as I check my e-mail accounts, others from time to time )  Have I ever seen a better moderator?  ..... No. Never. Not even myself, because I didn't have your energy level.

 ;bu;   :1st: :clap:
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 03:26:12 AM
Wow.  Thank you for saying so.

You know, there's trolling and there's trolling; it's a whole spectrum beginning with teasing between friends that looks superficially like insults or something, but they know each other well enough that it isn't.  Witness the very narrow range of things I give Uno the stick for; mostly it all means Halloween weirdo, like he put in his postbit, which is pretty much never going to annoy at all.

Have you never seen me talking about my mood disorder?  Yeah, something of a recovering bi-polar; I manage because I have no choice, and badly, at that.  It's why all my active friends are online.

It will shock absolutely no one to hear that I fell on my head as a child and am brain-damaged.  Emotional control issues are a very common symptom of that.  My therapist thinks that given that, and my history of childhood abuse, I've done impressively well.  [shrugs]  God places challenges in everyone's paths, and a lot of people got a worse deal than I did.  I do what everybody else does; the best I can.  My challenges make me a lonely person in search of purpose, but at the time of life when my body is starting to seriously deteriorate, I find the me as a person getting better and better.  You have to look on the bright side.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 20, 2013, 04:14:14 AM
Trust me BU, we all deal with struggles.

The internet,in one form or another, is what keeps me looking forward to things. It gives you Maslow's hierarchy of needs without having to fight it out on uneven playing fields whether socially, economically, politically, or physically.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 04:48:46 AM
And to my vast delight, and this is what I'm in this whole forum thing for, it gives you friends familiar enough with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs to casually use it right in conversation...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: JarlWolf on August 20, 2013, 04:54:03 AM
And we get people from very different backgrounds with their own struggles coming together. I don't share a lot in common with a fair number of you in terms of background and problems I've dealt with, but I also have a fair bit in common in interests and the fact of how many problems I've and others here have had in our lives. And through that we can focus on what truly matters: Comradery with each other and cooperation for completing goals and simply being in a community. AC is the blood in the water that we sniffed out, drawn us all here and now we have ourselves an intellectual feast from it.

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 05:12:51 AM
Yes.  You folks are my kind of weirdoes.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 20, 2013, 05:35:05 AM
Last I read of your bipolar issues, you were on a 24 cycle.  Knew there was childhood abuse. Didn't know about the brain damage.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 05:49:36 AM
24 cycle?  Hours?

No, never fast, and never predictable.

My therapist agrees with my thought that I'm really more of a depressive who used to over self-medicate with caffeine.  I do love my coffee entirely too much.

I don't remember having talked about how much I got whooped growing up...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 20, 2013, 06:31:29 AM
That is because sunlight affects it as well as the caffeine.  Not predictable.

Try getting a bunch of sun and down a Monster. Top it off with exercise endorphines. You will be fit to be tied... at least until the crash.

Rejection can set it off too. You got to watch those chemicals folks throw at you. For example: I ended up getting ditched for a blind date. I know I am weird, but this chick is weirder, so it is not that, she is just a rude jerk. Still, even then, I felt like crap for hours. Got with some more friends, had a beer, slept, and I forgot it. Still, gave me a slight neurosis. Yo,u know, thinking something's wrong with you or what did you do... Just a minor thing to me. But, to some, that would be crippling. It was just an hour or two of blah for me.

Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 06:38:19 AM
Since AC2, my swings are predictable in this, which I don't think is terribly healthy for me:  when activity is up, so am I.  The reverse is also true.  I believe the causal connection is, in fact, that order for the most part.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 20, 2013, 06:42:32 AM
Since AC2, my swings are predictable in this, which I don't think is terribly healthy for me:  when activity is up, so am I.  The reverse is also true.  I believe the casual connection is, in fact, that order for the most part.

You should never attach identity to a forum board, guild, or anything of that matter. It can be taken away. Nothing lasts forever.

Unless you want to get an AC2 tattoo... then PICS!
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 06:48:36 AM
which I don't think is terribly healthy for me
Agreed.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 07:02:25 AM
Woe be upon you all on the increasingly rare days I flip on the Troll hat.  Buncles out-troll the trolls style was something I always enjoyed watching with a grin in rememberence of my days way back on DiabloII.net.  Ah well.  I had mostly relegated my trolling to demogames...but those are an endangered species these days.  Now I just occasionally spar on Raiders forums. 
You should entertain us with your stories of when you were bad and intercoursing with heads.  One imagines some punks Learned the True Meaning of Fear...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 20, 2013, 07:35:13 PM
24 cycle?  Hours?

No, never fast, and never predictable.

My therapist agrees with my thought that I'm really more of a depressive who used to over self-medicate with caffeine.  I do love my coffee entirely too much.

I don't remember having talked about how much I got whooped growing up...

Yes. Hours.  That's an excellent example of the problems I have composing a post. Did not notice that. 

Well, I might have misunderstood whatever I originally read. Perhaps a juxtaposition of something about 24 hours and something bout being bi-polar, I don't know.

You didn't talk about it, it was just an aside to Uno about abuse.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 07:43:29 PM
In college, 25 years ago, my manic phases sometimes lasted just an evening, which I've said a million times, and probably where you got that.  And the transitions could be pretty abrupt, just as anyone can have a blah morning, a good afternoon and a bad night.

But for the last 4.5 years, the manic phases tend to last about three months, and in almost every conceivable way are pretty awesome, especially by comparison. [snickers]  And I don't crash nearly as hard almost ever, and never as long.  The balance is much better now.  College was a rough time.

I pretty much cured myself, by myself, to the extent I'm cured, after I hit rock-bottom in the 90s (she was mean to me) and discovered the power of positive thinking (I independently more or less re-invented Taoism).
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 20, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
"You have founded Taoism."  That's the best life imitates art since Nimoy bought a Motorola flip-phone. ;lol
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
The Tao of Pooh should be required reading for forum staffers everywhere.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on August 20, 2013, 08:28:24 PM


You didn't talk about it, it was just an aside to Uno about abuse.

Who, wha? 

My mom's manic/depression is tied to sunlight, but not strictly 24 hour cycles, more of a winter sucks thing.  She's much better since the operation anyway.  Or maybe just because I don't have to live with her. 

Either way.  I think she's a ticking time bomb at the moment.  Watch out when grandma goes...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 20, 2013, 08:38:29 PM
When you volunteered about the time you got a hairbrush embedded in your skull as a kid, for example, I may have mentioned that when I was 14, I wasn't even entirely safe from violence at church, and certainly nowhere else - something like that.

It's a funny ol' world, ennit?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 21, 2013, 03:00:06 AM
When you volunteered about the time you got a hairbrush embedded in your skull as a kid, for example, I may have mentioned that when I was 14, I wasn't even entirely safe from violence at church, and certainly nowhere else - something like that.

It's a funny ol' world, ennit?

Well, for clarification, my memory for what I've read is pretty good, even if my short-term  memory is briefer than the time it takes me to articulate my thoughts in type on occasion. Of course, just because somebody wrote about something doesn't necessarily mean I read it.
  The 24 hour manic /depressive cycle was strictly to do with Buncle, and I have no recollection of anyone else being manic/depressive at all , or writing about anyone else who was.

This quote from Buncle about abuse rings a bell, regarding Buncle.

I recall only that Buncle made reference to Uno being abused, not any particulars, even as to type.

Being both squeamish, and having a vivid imagination, I am inclined to forget unpleasant particulars whenever possible. A head wound  would be an excellent example of something I'd try to forget. I had one, no permanent harm, but very messy.  Okay, there was that other time... not so messy, but it did give me  swelling and a concussion. 
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 21, 2013, 03:09:29 AM
Thing is, I don't care to go into details about that stuff anyway - I'm trying to forget and focus on the positive and the future.

I also learned not to tell too many childhood hard luck stories in my renaissance days - everyone around the campfire would proceed to top me, which is pretty annoying when you just revealed primal trauma.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2013, 04:01:34 AM
I just got a PM that E_T's sister has died.

All you WPC members go say something nice, right away.  I'm setting my jaw and fixing to go back in...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2013, 05:09:34 AM
Done. 

I guess it didn't hurt as much this time.

At least I got my PMs saved and the account cleaned out while I was in there, so I can get email notifications with actual messages in them, not "X has tried to PM you."  (It's happened a few times, and I really wonder how DanQ's invitation to host spammycast got through.)  The temptation to post something rude about the &^%$#@! eternal login crap in Site Issues was enormous.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 27, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
Done.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 27, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
You addressed something in your post that I worried about in writing my first; no "my bereavement genitals are bigger" was intended, but could easily be inferred.  But I decided not to overthink it.  I needed to relate my own experiences with loss and duty and grief as part of my message of compassion and comfort.  I think I came up with something very worth saying, so I guess it worked out.

For those who don't do WPC, E_T posted that his sister had terminal brain cancer, and I posted this:

Quote
E_T, I'm thinking about my dad, who got two months notice of his terminal cancer. We thought we had longer, (to my brother's infinite regret, since he didn't make time soon enough) and there was a similarly suspicious circumstance that they should have caught it sooner. My father is dead, and I think they killed him with neglect/negligence - that's hard to live with, but you do because you have to.

 Hospice is a laudable organization - they were a great help.

 Love her while you have her, sir. My eyes are tearing up. Life is transitory - and painful - and wonderful and precious. It behooves us all to reach out and take the hands of our loved ones and LOVE them. Love them while we can, because it's all temporary. -I need to go down the hall and see some loved ones for a minute...

 Okay, back now. It was appreciated.

 I'm thinking about MY sister, who sustained brain injury when she was hit by a truck on her bicycle a few years ago - her life is in no danger and the damage is (relatively) minor; she's still able to work, though a shadow of the professor she used to be - but her emotions are all different and volatile, and some mental abilities that used to be easy are hard now, and she needs someone there for her, mostly just for reassurance. She's smart for a living, and something happening to her brain is an assault on her very identity. Fortunately, she has a brother with no life. I'm glad to feel needed, and my only downside is not being able to care for my 73 year-old mother in a different state. She's managing, but it makes me crazy that I can't be in both places at once.

 Zik is right about the cheering up. I say the most terrible things to my sister about her affliction; I call her seizures "faking". I give her pep-talks when she's dreading an onerous task that begin "Kelly, it's gonna suck". ("But you can tough it out, and then it'll be over.") The right take depends highly on the senses of humor involved, and my sister expects social retardation from me. I also take her ice water and analgesics a lot, and rub her feet, or her head, when she wants. I provide a sounding board for what's eating at her, and a warm shoulder. We talk about Star Trek constantly and watch old Flash Gordon and new Dr. Who together. We collaborate on artistic projects. That little shouldn't be worth the expense of feeding a giant hippy, but she thinks it is. [shrugs]

 Love her while you have her, is all.

 Daddy was going senile for years before he died. He was possibly the smartest man in the world, and his going stupid was one of the saddest things I've ever seen in my entire sad life. But there was some real compensation, as I was deeply involved in his care during those years, and they were the best years ever in my relationship with a very complex and difficult impossible man. He had good days and bad days, mentally. I spent a lot of time telling him who Momma was, providing dates of marriage, when the house was built, when my siblings and I were born - he liked hard data, and the fact that he still knew some of that stuff lent my account, which turned into a regular half-memorized spiel I told him several times a week as needed, credibility. For a while, he would feel oriented; he suffered from physical pain in his joints, but was not all that unhappy in his last years, because we made him feel safe and taken care of.

I wouldn't take a lifetime pass to Angelina Jolie in trade for that time with my father. That's a joke, but the kind of joke that's also 100% true.

 We planted Daddy two months -so yes, his bad news came at an especially tough time- after my last grandparent, which was two months after Uncle Chick. We went from too many lames to care for in too many houses, to zero lames in four months. On the way out, I shook the funeral director's hand and told him I hoped we didn't meet again for a long time. These things hurt, my God in Heaven do they hurt for a long time, but you do get better, because you have to. There is still joy to be had in our brief moment in the sun. I loved them while I had them, you see, and knowing that comforts me.

 My heart goes out to you, E_T. And the hand of friendship and all the virtual hugging you will tolerate.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 28, 2013, 08:58:51 PM
Well.

'poly has been "Hacked by The Belegit Network". :(  This happened in the last five hours, I think.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 29, 2013, 01:39:22 AM
I note that I've gotten a PM from one of our people from the Pit, and somebody posted about the takedown at the Camp before I could.  They had a two-day crash two weeks ago, and I wonder if there's a connection, and I'm genuinely concerned.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Green1 on August 29, 2013, 04:30:15 AM
in case they fix this, I am uploading a s reenshot here of Apolyton's hacking.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 29, 2013, 05:40:07 AM
I don't know squat about this, but it if it's anything like a virus on a PC..... it's good to be backed up before something happens, right?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 29, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
God, even if you hated the Troll Pit without let or hindrance - if everything was erased and there is no backup, the loss of the content would be a DISASTER for the community.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Rusty Edge on September 03, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
I believe WPC is down again. As to how or why I have no clue.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
Hmmm.  Down for me, too.  It was fine up two hours ago.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2013, 05:41:32 PM
Hmmm.  Down for me, too.  It was fine up two hours ago.

I knew I shouldn't have posted what I posted when the forum was still fine.  :-\
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 05:51:31 PM
What was that?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on September 03, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
paper pushers.  :doh
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 03, 2013, 06:03:13 PM
Okay.  I still don't get you, but okay.

I just got back in at the Pond...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 07, 2013, 03:45:17 PM
...'polys been up and running for several days - annnd this morning it's hacked again...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 20, 2013, 06:47:32 AM
Well, look like the Pond crashed a few minutes ago while I was there editing links to the old custom faction page.  http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com) agrees, but then it does even when the Pond has water in it...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 20, 2013, 07:02:33 AM
Didn't stay down long...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 31, 2013, 04:51:44 PM
http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com (http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.weplayciv.com)

...Full circle to a year ago...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 01, 2014, 07:09:39 AM
must be their billing cycle?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Unorthodox on January 29, 2014, 12:45:54 AM
........
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on January 29, 2014, 01:07:24 AM
Sad, ain't it?
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 26, 2014, 04:24:33 PM
I just had a good look at the Frog Pond, and man oh man, is it near to drying up completely and going dust bowl.  Nearly 22 hours w/o a post in OT, Civ4 MP down to three games not finished, and only one with activity this week, and less than a handful of posts in the last 24 hours in Other Games.  No sign of any BE bump.  There always seem to be more members online here than there, and we've had less than half the time to grow and are focused on a single game.  If BE isn't great, the storks may finally starve to death in the next year for utter lack of frogs.  I would be saying before the year is out, and more confidently, if not for BE.

I'm astonished that this makes me feel a little sad.  It had such a great start, and they threw it all away.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 26, 2014, 09:37:24 PM
Their OT just hit 27 straight hours of lonely.  That, in my experience is unprecedented.  It's never happened here since I've been on the job, if the science subforums count.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 06, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
I just counted the entire activity in the Pond in the last 24 hours - it's that sad.  10 posts, one in OTf, and nine in Other Games.  That's on a weekday, too; not a holiday anywhere I'm aware of.

(http://www.standbyformindcontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Worship-the-Bomb.jpg?d44b86)
Time to get a funeral director on standby...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
It really does get dead-empty over there on weekends.  I've seen it go from Sat morning to Mon morning without a post.

Whilst "not my responsibility" and hasn't for years now........ still pings a bit.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2014, 10:20:21 PM
I'd never seen WPC OT go 36 hours w/o a post until a few weekends ago.

I'd been planning to dance on their graves, but not only am I a little sad, I just sent Solver a long PM with helpful suggestions - short version, He can roll up his sleeves and devote the time it takes to fix everything, or reunify with 'poly and maybe keep a minority ownership and his hand in.  I pointed out that the latter was better for him but the former was better for the whole community and his people.  -And that as things stand, BE isn't going to save WPC - it's not ready to retain new members and sustain the activity surge, and getting it ready needs to be happening a month ago.

I surely don't want all that content disappearing forever.  That would be a terrible loss, not least of over 36,000 stupid things I said. :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
I'd been planning to dance on their graves,

That's not surprising.  ;)

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I just sent Solver a long PM with helpful suggestions - short version, He can roll up his sleeves and devote the time it takes to fix everything, or reunify with 'poly and maybe keep a minority ownership and his hand in.

Nothing against the guy, but Solver literally has no time remaining for the promotion and support of a game forum.  We speak every so often, and the one thing that's clear is that fact.

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- it's not ready to retain new members and sustain the activity surge, and getting it ready needs to be happening a month ago.

It's not ready to retain old members!

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I surely don't want all that content disappearing forever.  That would be a terrible loss, not least of over 36,000 stupid things I said. :)

The content doesn't bother me.  It's the people that does.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2014, 10:37:50 PM
That, too; I really miss the people.

sisko and agreed to the Other Games folder because we were talking about the Free Games for review thing, but I believe I better pick a spot and go ahead and start that right now.

That's also my impression about Solver's time problems.  Solver needs to talk to Aeson beginning RIGHT NOW, then.

BTW, without getting into the details of my leaving, I take it you think I got a raw deal?  I don't know what you were told, and don't want to be embarrassed publically...
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2014, 10:48:48 PM
sisko and agreed to the Other Games folder because we were talking about the Free Games for review thing, but I believe I better pick a spot and go ahead and start that right now.

Other Games is difficult to keep ticking over without a big injection of time.  You actually need people willing to talk about other games that they play, plus some prodding.  There were some days I'd just go in and open a new thread with effectively, "So game <insert name>.  Anyone played?  Any good?" just to keep things ticking in there.  ;)

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That's also my impression about Solver's time problems.  Solver needs to talk to Aeson beginning RIGHT NOW, then.

I pop into poly every so often for a look, but there really isn't anything there for me to comment on.  I'm sure that would change if there was.

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BTW, without getting into the details of my leaving, I take it you think I got a raw deal?  I don't know what you were told, and don't want to be embarrassed publically...

TBH, I don't really think about it.  It was during my "away" time at WPC, and I never really got the gist of what happened.  Didn't ask either (contrary to popular belief).  But yeah, I will say I do think there were a FEW raw deals going round about that time.
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2014, 11:02:14 PM
Yeah; dead past.  Oh - I just thought of something BIG I've wondered about what you knew for years, but not for public discussion.

We have more on-topic activity here than WPC and ACS combined - I think Aeson will turn it around, eventually, though.  He has a lot more lurkers and search engine ranking than we do to work with.  It's gonna take a staff working at it, though.  The point I was making is that the content, post and otherwise, have some value and can be preserved there - and with Aeson allowing so much less on-topic trolliness than even we or WPC do, but so much more gently than CFC, maybe that's a viable option for WPC people now.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2014, 11:21:15 PM
Hey Dale - the post you made VERY much appreciated, but it reminds me that you probably don't know that I took a half-ownership in AC2 last fall.  I don't help run the site - I'm Teh Man until sisko clears his calendar.  Freaks me out, too.  I can't believe I turned out to be a competent manager. ;)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2014, 11:53:24 PM
 ;b; noted
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
I mean, jeeze - think of my spampage in progress five years ago today as a green forum newb, and what I pain in the butt I am - I can't believe I'm good at this.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Geo on May 18, 2014, 01:30:59 AM
I mean, jeeze - think of my spampage in progress five years ago today as a green forum newb, and what I pain in the butt I am - I can't believe I'm good at this.

Perhaps its just what you need in this phase of your life?  :)
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2014, 01:49:35 AM
Perhaps.  Perhaps I'm ready for it for the first time.  -I learned a lot of new social skills in the late 90s performing in renaissance fairs, entertaining people in the lanes without a script.  I learned a lot about running things and promotion/PR when I was running a chess club for a lot of the last decade.  Neurotherapy since mid-2010 has caused subtle changes, but I'm noticeably more chilled and stable.  And I've never been 49 before.  I don't like beginning to get old, but I'm still becoming a better person as I go, which I love.  And I'm still learning here, doing this.  Yeah; maybe it was just time, and what I needed.
Title: Re: WPC down, Locutus AWOL...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2014, 01:57:34 AM
I'm Teh Man until sisko clears his calendar.
And afterward that'll make me a half-Man...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2014, 08:14:34 PM
Dale, howsabout doing absolutely everyone a favor and telling Solver I'd like to talk and he has a PM from me at CGN.  He needs to sign up here, BTW, not least to chat where I always am.

With respect to Zoid, I've changed the thread title w/o asking, as this has mutated into a much broader discussion than Loc's whereabouts and whose server is down ATM, if not excluding those.  Just plain classier like this, too.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2014, 09:04:36 PM
Incidentally, I'd naturally like everyone to migrate over here to OT it up -because I miss them, and because I'm always about building this community- but I was very pleased to see Standup do the obvious sensible remedial action last night when I looked in, find things to post about, bumping total WPC activity for the weekend very significantly, and I'm very pleased this afternoon to see so many follow his lead.  This is how you fix the dying problem -activity draws more activity, and one member can make a huge difference - many members can make all the difference.  Staff has failed to lead on this, and I have an opinion about that, but the power was always in the hands of the membership - it always is.

32 posts in the last 24 hours, a significant bump I hope to see continue and rise.

AC2 profits more from a live WPC drawing unique member signups -who will then find us soon enough and establish multiple forum citizenships as active community members tend to- than from skimming off disillusioned leftovers as it dies.  More forums healthy and drawing newbs and providing a selection of atmospheres/styles to choose from is better for the greater Civ community of which we are a corner.  The power is with the people. ;b;
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 19, 2014, 06:04:56 PM
Just counted 45 WPC posts in the last 24 hours, so good on them.

For the first time ever, in an attempt to be helpful and hope it reaches the right eyes, I'm going to say publically that the single biggest thing killing WPC is that having-to-jump-through-hoops nonsense w/ sign-in.  It's a wonder there have been any new members at all in the last 1.5 years.  It's way too much trouble for anyone who doesn't stay logged in to bother with.  Basic Moby Dick issue, about the most basic possible, and no excuse for letting it go for so long.  Fix it now or die.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 20, 2014, 11:42:57 PM
I sent Solver another long one at CFC -I've now hit him at everywhere we're both members and I'm willing to log in- with suggestions that take into account that a little research in the intervening days tells me the two options I outlined at CGN are essentially unworkable.  So now I'm saying to do something to encourage the grassroots citizen initiative already started and ask the staff to keep it going - and be looking HARD for a manager to run things, and staff, in his absence.

They're still eventually dead without a Dale...

58 posts in 24 hours when I counted late this morning.  That's a mediocre day for me when I was active there, but a huge improvement from last week.  It may no longer be in the terminal phase. ;b;
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 21, 2014, 11:00:30 PM
It turns I was willing to log in where I wasn't willing: http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8463-Building-Activity (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8463-Building-Activity)
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Post by: Geo on May 22, 2014, 05:29:12 PM
YES HE CAN (do it)! ;lol
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 22, 2014, 05:33:52 PM
Laff it up, fuzzball.  I done a good thing.
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 22, 2014, 07:40:43 PM
Huge good news for WPC - one of my secret sources (it was Nikolai) just told me they've finally fixed the "problem with logging in and registering on WPC" and asks me to put the word out.  I just did.
 :danc: for them.  ;b;

I also just quoted from a real PM and should ban myself.  Do not ask me who my source was, though.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 22, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
Huge good news for WPC - one of my secret sources (it was Nikolai) just told me they've finally fixed the "problem with logging in and registering on WPC" and asks me to put the word out.  I just did.
 :danc: for them.  ;b;

I also just quoted from a real PM and should ban myself.  Do not ask me who my source was, though.
God help me, I just logged in again and can confirm that it's fixed.  No muss, no fuss, Moby Dick works as a whale again like he should.  Big difference from 21 hours ago.
[shrugs]
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on May 22, 2014, 08:47:28 PM
Are you... rubbing it in for yourself? :whistle:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 22, 2014, 08:50:54 PM
I'm just trying to be positive and nice.  Seriously.
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 01, 2014, 12:40:03 AM
Wellll - I took reinstating Solver as a Skype Contact, but I finally got ahold of the sonuvagun.  I think good things will tend to result.  I am a dynamo of good ideas, and I do know something about building an online community :D.

I'm waiting for him to go to bed now, so I can post more helpful thoughts without keeping him up even later...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on June 01, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
In other words, you made your day somewhat brighter. :tada:
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 01, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
He did finally go to bed really late, and he's going to be reading for 15 minutes when he turns the Skype on...


You wouldn't believe who else I pinged today...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on June 01, 2014, 08:32:12 AM
The president needed advice? ;cute
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 01, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
I would totally try if I could get Bakrama to listen.  But my ego is not so healthy I wouldn't know I was in over my head with that.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on June 06, 2014, 01:12:20 AM
WPC doesn't seem to be loading for me today.  Just getting a blank page.

Anyone else having probs?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2014, 01:56:39 AM
[checks] ... I didn't have any trouble.

You haven't missed but 17 posts, though.
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Post by: Dale on June 06, 2014, 02:09:29 AM
http://www.weplayciv.com (http://www.weplayciv.com) doesn't work for me.

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/forum.php (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/forum.php) does.
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2014, 02:16:09 AM
I can confirm both.  My shortcut doesn't go in through the front door.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on June 06, 2014, 03:07:38 AM
I cleared my WPC bookmarks recently, because I don't intend to go back.

I've noticed a few flaws in the internet this week. I had challenges logging into another forum. When I managed to get in by a circuitous route, it was practically empty.

Likewise, there have been yahoo e-mails  going into the void for hours at a time. Me, my wife, my mother-in-law and others have noticed this.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: gwillybj on June 06, 2014, 11:49:08 AM
there have been yahoo e-mails  going into the void for hours at a time
I've experienced this, too. Some emails that are sent never arrive; just lost to the ether. Glitch in the transporter beam or something.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on June 06, 2014, 03:37:58 PM
there have been yahoo e-mails  going into the void for hours at a time
I've experienced this, too. Some emails that are sent never arrive; just lost to the ether. Glitch in the transporter beam or something.

 ;lol
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2015, 01:39:26 AM
I'm officially calling it - WPC had two posts in the previous 24 hours when I checked by this morning -up to three 12 hours later- and Solver, the last owner standing, hasn't been by in three months and two days.  No one is doing anything about it since Nikolai gave up on BE, and the only posting not Spammycast spam outside OT and Other Games in 2015 was a handful recently in the BE forum about that aquatic expansion.  The end of the last cIV MP game last fall was all she wrote for the Frog Pond.

It is no longer We Play Civ, but We Play Other Games*.

*Not many of us and not that much, BTW.


I cannot give a time of death until Solver stops flushing money down paying the toilet server bill, but the prognosis is terminal - not untreatable, but untreated and nobody's going to bother.

Let us join hands for a moment of silence for WPCOG - a great beginning and enormous promise, all thrown away.
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Post by: Unorthodox on June 06, 2015, 04:20:32 AM
Heh one post was me, and that was just trying to catch GK. 
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Post by: Geo on June 06, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
Chaotic  decay. It will catch up with everyone and everything. :danc:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2015, 05:38:05 PM
Entropy can be averted for a very long time.

I copied that post to Solver on Skype last night, and we're talking shop now.  Knowing Solver, nothing will come of it, but we're certainly in agreement about the situation and somewhat about what needs doing, if only he'll try - he needs to find an energetic top admin to lead and light a fire under that useless staff.  Who, and who's willing, is a problem to solve, of course.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on June 06, 2015, 05:56:39 PM
Are you... angling for that job? :o
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2015, 06:09:46 PM
I'm exactly what they need, except for two problems:

1). I don't wanna/have time.

2.) The staff hates my guts.  I'd have to fire everyone but Nikolai, and I don't know how I'd manage without a tech guy - and Donald is one of the ones I'd fire.
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Post by: Geo on June 06, 2015, 08:37:45 PM
Oh my...
Perhaps Sisko should come over as well? ;cute
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
sisko's currently useless to me here.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on June 06, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
sisko's currently useless to me here.

How does this forum keeps running then? You have no tech support...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 06, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
Badly.  I wait for someone to fix the video embed problem and seeth.  -And make angry posts in the Staff Room from time to time.

---

...Solver's pretty determined to be useless over there.  We more or less agree about the problem and the solution -leadership at the top and somebody willing to do the work, or talk others into it, and even (maybe) who- but he's not sure he wants to make a minimal effort to do something to even delegate.  My powers of persuasion are finite, if great, and I'm not sure I want to nag him as long as it will take to get him to stop procrastinating...

---

Apropos of nothing, BTW, I bet a lot of you don't know the Nikolai has a girlfriend.
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 09, 2015, 09:20:18 PM
 ;lol

I seem to have finally managed to get Solver to at least log back in - he does look a little regularly, he just hasn't bothered to log in for a while.  I had some thing to say about appearances.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 15, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
True, I can't even remember my WPC pw
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 12:58:21 AM
Siiigh.

FWIW, I made an argument today that Solver seemed to especially like - he asked me why he should be looking for someone to run things:

[2:16:43 PM] bustersuncle: So there's a foundation to build on for Civ6, provided it thrills you.

And:
[2:17:48 PM] bustersuncle: I predict not good game - my buncle powers are max, as you know.
[2:18:09 PM] bustersuncle: Still, I play longshots, so have at it.

And:
[2:19:05 PM] bustersuncle: But really - you need to do more any community  maintenance.
[2:19:12 PM] bustersuncle: Just in case.

[2:19:41 PM | Edited 2:19:49 PM] bustersuncle: 6 sux, you find someone to give WooPCie to, and on your way.
[2:20:32 PM] bustersuncle: But as long as you hope for 6 - you gotta do what it takes to not be starting over from zero when it comes.

And:
[2:23:15 PM] bustersuncle: Cherish the people.
[2:23:38 PM] bustersuncle: I love the company.  I love the people except when I don't.
[2:24:19 PM] bustersuncle: Nobody talked to me sufficiently about my modding, so I switched over to focusing on the people.
[2:24:50 PM] bustersuncle: Some of them are worthy.
[2:25:12 PM] bustersuncle: You're worthy, despite the history between us.
[2:25:55 PM] bustersuncle: ...Or at least do the minimum to have your house in order in case 6 is good...
[2:32:54 PM] bustersuncle: ...Or arrange for someone to do the minimum (or more)...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 16, 2015, 01:32:21 AM
got signed in there, apparently I'm still a moderator
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 01:56:22 AM
Not admin?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 01:58:43 AM
Check out the pack of lies against me in late 2013.  Lies, I tell you.  I done TOLD that boy who I was really talking about in the second post he conflated in a screenie, but that would undermine his case to mention.  Discredited on the subject of me testimony, you name it - lies.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on June 16, 2015, 02:09:58 AM
I always liked Solver. My feelings were so conflicted when he abandoned Apolyton to work with death threat guy. It's like finding out your favorite celebrity is a Republican.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 02:12:31 AM
Death threat guy is a member here, so not too heavy on that...

I might have suggested discussing it in person with Asher myself in his shoes.  Dale's... Dale.  He can be the best as well as the worst.  Depends.  To his credit, I'm saying this in public where he can see it, and he won't freak if he does.  -Probably agree with me out loud.

Solver was ready to go out on his own w/ Skippy the jerk Space Robot.  Dale just happened and got included.  It wasn't the plan.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on June 16, 2015, 02:18:26 AM
Yeah, I see Dale's post at the top of the page. I definitely don't want to stir up anything. Sorry. This is all ancient history as far as I'm concerned and I don't have any hard feelings about it. Also, I never would have gotten to be an Apolyton moderator if not for the schism, so there's that.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 02:27:23 AM
Well, I got trashed a lot at 'poly by a bunch of goobers who didn't know me for years.  You may have noticed that I'd let it go after the Hack. [shrugs]
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 16, 2015, 02:28:02 AM
Some stuff is better left behind us.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 02:33:55 AM
But I did have very hard feelings for years, so I get that.

[ninja spamm'd] Yes.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 16, 2015, 03:13:57 AM
 ;marr; ;caretake;
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2015, 03:33:17 AM
Y'know?  I pointed out to someone just the other day that talking about old stuff like that does not = failure to let it go.  It's my way of processing and trying to understand and learn from my mistakes and those of others.  Everything I know about forum management is from watching what others did right - and wrong.  I'm good at this because I remember and I think about it.  And I learned.

Solver really had a lot of the right ideas - and he needed a Dale to put a face on it for the members and aggressively publically be on top of details.  They were dead the moment Dale stepped down from owning/managing.  You can find me discussing just that with Dale early in this thread - and I didn't pretend he didn't make serious mistakes - and he didn't disagree.  Solver was always a bit too distant for a good leader.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 03:59:30 AM
solver and loc took more from Apolyton than they brought to WPC, nothing against them but they've never been promoters, just people who have a body of reliability and stability.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 04:32:20 AM
I....

never thought they paid attention to recruiting and promotion like they should have or needed to - or appreciated the few do did enough...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 04:34:22 AM
Thought for sure I was gonna get that tuber tonight, oh well, playground!!

Seriously though CFC promoted contests with prizes early on that sapped from 'poly, by the time WPC was around the content creators were mostly entrenched.  With forums like this, content is king, which is why you've got a thriving AC community.  IF that would extend to other games that are newer you'll see a natural growth beyond just the 'good 'ol' boys'
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:16:46 AM
I'm multitasking, and don't know how I managed to interfere.

Slowwww.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:20:30 AM
No worries, I got my jollies and now I'm ready to talk on opinions etc.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:31:02 AM
Still multitasking.  Can't think enough to talk forum politics.

And I LOVE talking forum stuff.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:35:19 AM
Well, getting something easy to do, fun to participate in, that requires little effort but can be done 'better' with slightly more effort could work wonders.

IF you can make it more fun with a larger 'clan' you could have something quite popular.  A literal democracy game could be interesting and would be very player driven.  Or you could always look into the CIV forum game WPC did back in the day and see about doing something in that vein.  Reward players for good forum content and they will tend to create more good forum content.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 05:52:49 AM
...I dunno - maybe I'm too generous.  I just give out forums goodie on whims.

Building this place has been an exercise in inhuman persistence.

Brain hurts.  ;brainhurts
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 05:55:57 AM
well you have some people with a proven track record and history, pay them goodies.  Also new people should get goodies. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 06:26:49 AM
Whaddaya want?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 06:31:20 AM
idk... I have a sweet avatar already.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 06:33:23 AM
Hmm.  The problem of too-happy members.  What to do, what to do...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 06:42:26 AM
Random Ban countdown?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 06:51:58 AM
Dunno.  I'm thinking of a dancing Solver smilie and a Nine Heads of Ming one.  Dunno when I'll find the time.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on June 17, 2015, 06:59:55 AM
right next to where I keep my 'round tuits :)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2015, 07:06:04 AM
I'll find the time in your PANTS?

Go to bed; you're drunk.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 06, 2015, 06:28:35 AM
http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8904-A-challenge-to-the-WPC-staff (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?8904-A-challenge-to-the-WPC-staff)

-It won't work or anything, 'cause [intercourse] those useless bums, but the attempt was sincere - and the pleasure of going full [jerk, sphincter] on them after all the contempt and abuse they threw me was only delicious, delicious gravy.  -Also, it just might work.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on July 06, 2015, 02:13:21 PM
The new moniker is rather, um...low brow, aint it?  From the guy always saying he wants to run a classy place. 

For what it's worth, It's been removed, and even I can't access it if I log in.  Don't press the issue, just let it pass.  There's nothing good down that road. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 06, 2015, 03:05:38 PM
The first wasn't my idea, and the second - I regret that I didn't save a copy.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 06, 2015, 06:10:12 PM
Solver says he's clean.  Since I told him how to check who did it ;lol he's gone quiet...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 06, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
For what it's worth, It's been removed, and even I can't access it if I log in.  Don't press the issue, just let it pass.  There's nothing good down that road.
Disagree strongly.

It was the only idea I had left for making anything good happen over there.  I've spent considerable time and made sacrifices -reached out to someone I didn't want to for the sake of WPC- spent much time trying to motivate the owner, and, in looking like a jerk over there trying to taunt the mutants into activity, I regret only the wasted time.

I said it wouldn't work, because I need to be realistic when I'm playing long-shots, but I've had a lot of good luck playing longshots.  I'm just disappointed that my effort to embarrass the mutants into not nerbadging automatically failed, and think even less of the obvious culprit (not who you probably think) than I did before. ;no
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on July 06, 2015, 10:02:35 PM
Disagree strongly.

And that is fine. 

Quote
the pleasure of going full [jerk, sphincter]
 

Was not the way to go about things, IMHO, and really left no alternative course to "the culprit" (which was probably just a crap shoot who got there first) as far as I can see.  I likely would have acted similarly in my forum had someone gone 'full jerk'. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on July 06, 2015, 10:57:54 PM
BU I'm not sure what you thought you would accomplish by your post.  I'm also surprised that you think posting a massive rant saying "haha I told you so, haha I told you I was the one keeping this forum going, haha I told you I'd win, haha you all suck donkey's balls" wouldn't end up being deleted.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 06, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
It was a nothing-to-lose last shot, fer chrissakes.  I tried the positive Kirk speech 13 months ago to the sound of crickets, and it's the second thread from the top in Site there to this day if you don't count the commercial spam.

They already hated me (and this was an attempt to use that, since it shorted out all other avenues), I've talked myself blue in the face to the few I can talk to, I tried to re-recruit someone for them just to have ANYone active there who I could work with - and this was my last shot.  I officially give up on trying to keep WPC alive.  They always had to do it for themselves, and I'm completely out of ideas for influencing and trying to help.

Ninja'd.  Gosh, I didn't play games, I said what I was doing and why I was doing it, and what I hoped to accomplish.  It was all right there in English, Dale.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 07, 2015, 12:31:54 AM
...And let me point out this, gentlemen - the current state of affairs, disappointing as it is that someone didn't have enough pride to resist, is actually optimal for my purpose.

The people I intended to troll -not that trolling was the purpose, but only the tool (and trolling is all in the intent; it was actually a flame) - can mainly still see it and maybe get motivated to show me what's what - while I don't have to look like a jerk to and/or upset PiMan, et. al...

I don't know why I didn't think to ping him yesterday, actually.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on July 07, 2015, 02:09:16 AM
It got reported to me by several people (Whose names I won't release).  Their reasoning was sound.  It was discussed by the admins and people unrelated to the BU WPC drama made the final determination.  BU the post was inflammatory, and aside from some people's comments about liking WPC the way it is, did not have the stated intended response.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 07, 2015, 02:12:33 AM
This is all news to the owner, then, but I guess that's his fault...

P.S.  There ARE no admins unrelated to said drama - unless y'all dug up MMC.

P.P.S.  People actually said out loud that they like it We Play Other Games (*not many of us anymore at that)?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Metaliturtle on July 07, 2015, 02:15:40 AM
It was handled more professionally than I had anticipated.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 07, 2015, 02:23:02 AM
We'll see, won't we?

I could have done a flame years ago when I felt much more strongly about it if it was really about that at all, and I despair of people's reading comprehension sometimes.  For the last time, discussed it with the owner (and an admin) in advance, terminal decline, nothing to lose, last shot - we'll see if anyone mans the heck up and "professionally" does anything to save the place.

Bored now.

This is all news to the owner, then, but I guess that's his fault...

P.S.  There ARE no admins unrelated to said drama - unless y'all dug up MMC.

P.P.S.  People actually said out loud that they like it We Play Other Games (*not many of us anymore at that)?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on July 07, 2015, 03:34:58 AM
It was handled more professionally than I had anticipated.

I concur. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 07, 2015, 03:36:40 AM
Would you guys mind stopping pissing me off with this talk?

Given all I said in that piece about being ganged-up-on [and I mentioned this as a personal rule of mine only eight days ago in another thread, because lots of RL experience with that] perhaps reflection might draw a connection to why I don't LIKE being ganged up on, and why I feel ganged up on now.

I've said my piece, you can read and understand or not, but I will consider any further bumping of this nonsense a personal affront.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 08, 2015, 05:06:07 PM
Hey Gamera - the WePlayCiv Facebook page ain't been updated since May 22, 2012 - Solver and I have discussed this before, and I'm pretty sure you can get the keys to that and do the Pond a lot of good with a minor effort once in a while. ;nod

Right now, it sorta makes the site look dead, which is a bit counterproductive.

Seriously; if ANYbody would bother to link ANYthing from the forum, say, once a month, we're talking millions and millions of potential eyes drawn.  Low effort, big payoff - good idea to bother with those.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 08, 2015, 07:12:24 PM
Okay, I stupidly forgot that Solver hates the Facebook a lot more than even I do and won't touch it, and of course doesn't remember who has control of the WPC page.  The posts up to May 22, 2012 really have the feel of one of the news staff guys -some posts look written for th' Book, not just Front Page autoposts- and Nik would have, at minimum, posted the HECK out of BE stuff last year.  That leaves Uno and Alexander.

Solver thinks it was Zoid's thing, and I don't remember ever knowing.  Zoid was long gone by 22 May, so he did hand it off to someone, if so.  Worth asking around, and not me asking...  I'm emailing Zoid asking to be thorough, but he hasn't answered a Missing You ping three weeks ago, so don't hold your breath.

(Solver called me the leading expert on all things WPC 13 minutes ago. ;lol)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on July 08, 2015, 07:30:09 PM
The have members that...

Well...

Love to stroke anything sid meier related on FB.  They just don't use the WPC page. 

I can't even keep up posts on my page on FB, let alone another one. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 08, 2015, 07:35:29 PM
I have a ton of stuff posted in the left sidebar of the WPC page, but that all points at AC2, and not my purpose to ask for promoting to the WPC timeline.

(Might be a way to get someone else active, though...)

Are you saying it wasn't you and you don't have main page access?

Obviously, any Front Page autopost integration they may have had is broken now - that happened here, later, and no one's been able to fix, so I eventually got access from sisko and post stuff manually.

It's worthwhile promotion.  Mylochka's Ladies of SMACX wallpapers post to Downloads did a record number of views on th book.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 09, 2015, 12:52:17 AM
:danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:

I heard back from Zoid!

He didn't know anything useful, and he's not having the happy happies, but I am, because he's alive. :D
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 21, 2015, 04:22:39 AM
...I should Gift Zoid a puppy, come to think of it...


'poly went down for a while this morning; I got into the AC, but then it wouldn't load, and Down for Everyone confirmed.  Too busy to follow up until now - it's up.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 25, 2015, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: vBulletin Message (CFC)
Our current server host, Atomic Gamer, is shutting down. We have a new server provider and are moving our site there. As part of this migration, we will close CivFanatics today (Friday, July 24) at 10 PM Eastern time (2am on the 25th GMT). We expect our site to be unavailable for most of the weekend, perhaps longer.

Check our Twitter (https://twitter.com/civfanatics) or Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/civfanatics) pages for updated information.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on July 26, 2015, 12:07:42 PM
If this migration results in email notifications working again, I wonder if it will send us the ones we never got during the past 1 year & 7 months, or just start with the ones to come (if the former, that's at least a couple of thousand I'll have to deal with...).

OTOH, it's perfect timing for Iron Pen's revival.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 26, 2015, 02:00:30 PM
BTW, we're moving hosting just as soon as I can talk a tech guy into doing it - as in, I'd wanted to do it by the end of the month, coincidentally, though that probably isn't happening.  Like the SMF upgrade, it promises to be a huge pain, with every plug-in function borked for a few days while someone re-enables.  Just a great, huge, tedious pile of work...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dio on July 26, 2015, 05:11:10 PM
BTW, we're moving hosting just as soon as I can talk a tech guy into doing it - as in, I'd wanted to do it by the end of the month, coincidentally, though that probably isn't happening.  Like the SMF upgrade, it promises to be a huge pain, with every plug-in function borked for a few days while someone re-enables.  Just a great, huge, tedious pile of work...
I hope ypu can handle the work involved with moving the forum :).
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on July 26, 2015, 05:24:39 PM
Maybe we should have held off on acquiring all those rocks. That Borg Cube is going to be awkward as well...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 26, 2015, 05:33:56 PM
Judging from the aggravation with the SMF update last year, they'll just disappear for a couple days, and come back when whomever handling re-enables the plugin, unscathed.  Same for €.

-I actually had to talk sisko into bothering with the Shop stuff - nobody was using it but me, and I only for BANK EC measuring-contest activity motivation.  That won't be a problem next time.

I Gifted my Puppy to Zoid, BTW - I bought another to give, but the Gifting took the first one on the Inventory list, so it doesn't show anymore.  I DID cuddle the puppy first...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on July 26, 2015, 10:37:47 PM
[Chekov]I vas making a little joke, sair.[/Chekov]

"Moving the forum" ... ;)

We're gonna need a very large moving van for some of this stuff...


I remember years ago when I told my Doctor Who forum members that the next time they logged in, the place would look different because I was going to skin the forum.

"Alive?!  :o " was one person's reaction. :D
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 26, 2015, 10:52:12 PM
:D ;b;
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 26, 2015, 11:15:09 PM
BTW - I'm checking CFC frequently today.  Will post within a half hour of it coming back, if anyone cares and it returns before I go to bed tonight...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 27, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
Only just barely made it.  It's really slow-loading but back.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on July 27, 2015, 09:47:06 AM
Extremely, monumentally slow... and Gmail is still giving me warnings about phishing.

At least I haven't had every missed email being dumped on me all at once. The few ones I've had have been current.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 28, 2015, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: vBulletin Message (CFC)
Server Migration Status Updates
7/27: Due to performance issue, we have decided to turn off the forum for now while we look for ways to improve the performance. We apologize for the inconvenience.
From last night.  It was nearly unusable all day, so perhaps for the best.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on July 28, 2015, 06:27:31 PM
SHAZAAM!

Well isn't this spiffy!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 28, 2015, 06:32:40 PM
He's talking about something else. folks.  He came by and found himself in a very different theme, Gone Fishin.

You like?  :D  The name made me think of you.  Pretty serene, isn't it? ;nod
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on July 28, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
Yes. Definite upgrade.

 :danc:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 28, 2015, 07:19:48 PM
WooHOO! :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc: :D :danc:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on July 28, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Yes. Definitely the right choice. Sun's going down, time to go in and put the fish in the refrigerator.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 29, 2015, 07:21:07 PM
Quote
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Please try the following:
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  • Click the Back button to try another link.

The forums.civfanatics.com forum technical staff have been notified of the error, though you may contact them if the problem persists.
 
We apologise for any inconvenience.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on July 29, 2015, 07:26:43 PM
Not good... Did they update anything on Twitter or FB?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 29, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
There was a report on the Facebook five hours ago:
Quote from:
CivFanatics ([url]https://www.facebook.com/civfanatics[/url]):  Unfortunately the forums remain offline as we manage the migration to our new host. If you're looking for a way to while away the wait, check out Quill18's ‪#‎BERT‬ Let's Play as the North Sea Alliance - [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHhaWEL92g[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHhaWEL92g[/url])

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: CivFanatics(FB)
July 30 at 8:43am

Update: we are upgrading to a new, more powerful server. This will require a further migration, meaning the forums are likely to be down for another day or two. Hopefully we will have things up and running by the weekend.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on August 01, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
They're late...

But it's more important that we don't lose any content. I remember a time on another forum 10 years back when something basically ripped the forum apart, played 52-pickup with the threads and posts, and flounced off (okay, there's a more technical explanation but I don't have the vocabulary to know what it's called). It was quite a job to chase down orphaned bits of posts that weren't where they should have been, or were just there like an effect without a cause. And straightening out all the BBCodes for the smileys...

Yikes. That was an occasion when the admins enlisted anyone willing to help. It took another week or so before that place was finally put back together.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 02:41:43 PM
That's just how it is with upgrades and migrations.  They're taking dismayingly long, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on August 01, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
I'm working my way through the themes as I make these posts, btw; expect a long-ish summary at some point this morning.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 04:29:36 PM
Coo! ;b;
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
CFC is back up ATM.  Loading fairly smoothly.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on August 01, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
Funny how soon I got used to not being there. Hopefully it'll settle down by Tuesday - I promised to get Iron Pen going again.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 09:25:40 PM
Okay, it just hung up on me...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on August 01, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
I'm not surprised by this point. It was really slow loading and the graphics - avatars, icons, social group  images, etc. don't load right away.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on August 01, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
I go so long between CFC visits that I might not have noticed anything if it wasn't for this thread.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 01, 2015, 10:57:43 PM
[shrugs] I kinda have to because of my job running this place; have to stay informed a little of what's up in the community, whether I happen to approve of any given place -and its members and how they behave, and the management and how they run it- or not.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on August 02, 2015, 01:06:05 AM
By the time Apolyton declined enough for CFC to be a possible alternate, CFC was too big for me to feel comfortable. I mostly use it as a sports alternate and other games. Except there are no sports in the summer and I don't play (m)any current games.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 02, 2015, 03:43:30 AM
I just went to CFC and sent a PM.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 02, 2015, 04:00:10 AM
Confirmed.  So far it's not very sluggish.

Quote from: Thunderfall
Our week long server migration is finally completed!

All the civfanatics.com and civfanatics.net sites are now running on our new server "enterprise" which is MUCH more powerful. We expect the new server to be able to handle the amount of traffic we have.

The migration took long time to complete due to the huge amount of data and files we have across all the different sites. We also had to deal with new server configurations and also debug issues due to different software versions.

If you notice any issue, please report in this thread.

Known Issue:
-- Gallery pages has display issue for unregistered users

Thanks for all your patience!
Posted at 2:24PM - about an hour before it went back down...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 02, 2015, 04:23:23 PM
CFC still works this morning.  I was able to post, and everything.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on August 02, 2015, 04:56:49 PM
I hope warpus gets back from Norway soon. I need some fellow Canadians to snark with in the Canadian politics threads there. Stephen Harper just dropped the writ for the federal election in October. He shouldn't have done that until mid-September.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 14, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
I just got a malware warning page when I tried to browse 'poly - I didn't want to check all that bad, anyway...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 15, 2015, 02:21:24 AM
Now, I got in at 'poly with no trouble...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 18, 2015, 01:14:06 AM
...I just had a Reported Unsafe page pop up in the middle of browsing 'poly.  -Aeson put the ads back up in OT last week, making every. single. thing. take forEVER. to load, so I'm not exactly strongly motivated to keep myself informed in the face of any risk...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
Another malware warning page when I tried to check the Troll Pit this morning.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 19, 2015, 03:23:56 PM
Another malware warning page when I tried to check the Troll Pit this morning.

I always expected the place to be more civilized.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 19, 2015, 03:29:22 PM
I expect a forum not to take a minute for each page to finish loading so you can scroll.  CFC's having the same problem a lot since the migration, and it both cases, it appears to be the stupid ads borking thing up.  Unacceptable.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 21, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
This is beyond old.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 22, 2015, 06:51:37 PM
I dunno if Aeson's fixed something or if it's to do with my directory restructuring on my machine yesterday, but I was able to finally catch up with the Troll Pit w/o that warning screen happening - which took a while, 'cause I hadn't been able to finish since Tuesday or something...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on August 22, 2015, 08:34:04 PM
I have a friend from CFC, and we have a dialogue via PM.

They haven't been able to access from home since the server switch. I suspect it has something to do with one of the ads and security settings.

But that's just my hunch, I'm technically impaired.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 26, 2015, 12:47:07 PM
Just got this again:

(http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2845.0;attach=16469;image)

Life's too short to bother until some fixing gets done.  Performance has been cold-molasses-slow for weeks, anyway.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 13, 2015, 02:06:00 PM
Note: when an owner is rude to you for going to the trouble of making a tech problem report with extensive details, perhaps he should not be surprised when you don't waste any more of your finite lifespan supporting his crap-performing site.

That's not how it's done.  ;q;
Title: How I wasted my time for nothing over a VERY busy summer
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 04, 2016, 06:41:30 PM
I just did something I haven't in over six months - played the Me at AC2 since I got up this morning v. Everyone put together at WPC in the last 24 hours Post Count Game.

10-5, me - which I didn't expect before I'd posted a few science articles and finished my morning browse-while-I-wake-up routine.

Last summer, I got SO invested in doing what I could -from afar- to breathe life back into dying/dead WPC for the good of the larger community that I reinstated Solver on my Skype -and believe me, speaking to people I think betrayed me on my way out is not something I do lightly- and spent many many many hours for months talking shop/trying to pep-talk him into getting off his dead butt and fixing things.  There's nothing wrong with WPC that leadership couldn't fix (and never has been).

I buried the hatchet with metaliturtle just to try to recruit SOMEone back onto active staff at another forum who I could work with on occasional cooperative ventures and cross-promotion.  I got 133 mostly-spammy posts here his first two days, is what I got out of that.

After months of time and effort spent that doesn't show in public, I finally stooped to desperate measures and tried a naked troll of the staff over there to anger/shame/provoke them into doing what it took to lead and make the place live, saying it was what I was doing and why - and all I got out of that is some friends here displaying a severe problem with reading comprehension.

---

A rising tide lifts all boats, and we'd best hang together or we'll all hang separately - the community is in decline everywhere but here, and a very obvious strategy would be to pull together and promote each other -most people are members at multiple places if they been around very long, each forum is a very different atmosphere, and people settle primarily at the one that suits their personal druthers best.  I stand to lose nothing I could have held onto if Apolyton promotes here, CFC promotes here, WPC promotes here - and anyone they could have held onto well isn't going to leave them if I promote there.  It grows the overall community to have more places drawing unique new signups, and grows it for there to be more choices of culture and style to improve retention of newbs.

I believe that.  -And I've pedaled that sincere belief around wherever I can -even CivPlayers, which I conclude is no longer even interested in being a forum- and met with paranoia and apathy.  Of the seven deadly sins, Hate is and has been a very real problem in this community -even at the leadership/administrative level- but it is Sloth that is killing it.

The previous ownership of 'poly was deeply, deeply interested in co-ventures, wisely enough, in the hopes that mutual back-scratching would grow both places.  (I miss Martin Guhmann.)  But there's nobody left at the top but me who believes and bothers.

I don't know why I'm even writing this - it's not to bad-mouth.  I just wish there was some way to break the logjam - we can't bank our future on Hoping Daddy (Sid) Will Release A Good Game And Fix Our Community...

---

I don't know that the right conclusion is that I wasted time I could have been spending making Shop Items and working on our selection of Themes - those investments of my finite time and effort paid off, and interforum cooperation/mutual support didn't.

-YET.  I definitely have to put tending to my own knitting ahead of a long game like making cross-promotional deals with places that can't see that they have nothing to lose in their DEAD AC subforums -the only place AC2 competes with them at all besides a modest OT and an even more modest Other Games- or just don't care enough to try to rebuild, but I cannot write off the possibility of getting excited about something and needing to spread the word someday.  Keeping a large community alive is a long game...

In the meanwhile, I'll be here and on top of things.  Energetic persistant leadership and administration is the winningest strategy there is for having a healthy forum.

---

This post made it 11-5; I just refreshed.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on March 04, 2016, 11:39:58 PM
When inter-forum cooperation happens, it's great. I was part of a couple of those over the years, but one by one things happen and some fall away or things go bad between one side and another and things implode. Sometimes people find they can only concentrate on one or two at a time. Here and TrekBBS are the only forums where I've posted in weeks. I haven't touched CivFanatics for the past month or so, for various reasons.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on March 05, 2016, 12:17:40 AM
I've always had a problem with reading comprehension.  Speech Therapy was more important than learning to read after all, and she was bound and determined to cure my devil-handedness. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 05, 2016, 12:44:18 AM
One day in the sixth grade, I found myself in speech therapy, and it didn't occur to me for a very long time to wonder why - I can't hear my freakin' lisp and neither can my family, and nobody bothered to diplomatically tell me I had one, which would have been a great help to motivating my progress in speech therapy.  When I tried to seek out help in high school -when I realised on my own I needed more help, and was ready --- there's nothing for high schoolers.  God Bless the incompetent US school system.


P.S.  Pshaw, Uno; you've got a sometime-problem with listening that couples with stubbornly repeating yourself.  -You've done that twice lecturing me on levels of Star Wars canon after I got it, alone. ;lol-  I was just being rude.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 06, 2016, 01:44:24 AM
P.S.  My bad - I see I called Hate one of the Seven Deadly Sins.  Substitute Wrath as a very adequate replacement...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 18, 2016, 03:36:30 PM
Two week later I just looked again, and the frogs beat me 11-6.

(They get 24 hours to my since-I-woke-up; if I got 24hrs, that's be 11-50.)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2016, 03:18:57 AM
Huh.  I see that two weeks ago, Aeson said he'd pass ownership of 'poly on pretty much for the asking.

I'm tempted - I could kick the SpammyCast out and bring that place back to life - actual on-topic life.  I could rebuild it; I have the technology.

What I don't have is 36 hour days - I'd end up having to neglect AC2, because it would be a more than full-time job.  Not gonna do that.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 13, 2016, 02:48:25 PM
:(

My quick tour, later last night than I should have stayed up, was just sad.  Uno posting news articles about Civ6 has outdone 'Poly and WPC's new CIV6 forums combined for activity, not that CFC isn't embarrassing us all combined by an order of magnitude or two.

It's official.  The parent and grandparent of this forum are never turning around under current ownership.  They're not even trying this time.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 13, 2016, 03:20:06 PM
And you know what's sadder than 'Poly's on-topic or trying to steal 'Poly's on-topic?  (There isn't any if you can't get by in Spanish.)

Being embarrassed into throwing up a Civ6 forum 14 minutes after the owner of another forum that's still a gaming site posted a link and a troll.  :( :( :( :( :(

-There's actually a list of even sadder things -WPC's 6 folder has more content and activity, and they're not trying either- but that one's most pertinent.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 13, 2016, 04:15:35 PM
Oh crap.  The kitten part of my big RL Kat Frend project evaporated yesterday, and this morning I'm thinking about the decline of the civ family of fan forums community and just had an idea to try.  This tends to generate some interesting conversations but always more frustration than it's worth.  See my post of 4 March.

And I'm probably almost certainly going to do it anyway...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 13, 2016, 09:31:31 PM
Haw.  A thing other than the thing I had in mind just materialized, but could be a lot of fun if it comes off - yin26 is over in 'Poly's Civ6 asking after Old Timers, and I volunteered that I was talking to Solver on Skype -and that Mark G was alive as of August on Facebook- and he said something about organizing an online meetup.  I volunteered AC2 as neutral ground for all the non-SMACers and that I'd be willing to make a dedicated Seniors subforum and a Community Elder usergroup - private is a possiblity that way.

I actually had the idea for the sub for Elder-Bait back in 2012, and Petek said it wouldn't do any harm.  Probably nothing come of this, but nothing to lose and something to gain...  I love learning community history...

-I'm such a schemer, always looking to accomplish my evil ends through kindness... :D
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 14, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
Heh, I think even I had an Apolyton account some years ago... seem to recall someone flaming me there for some stupid reason.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 01:43:10 AM
The perpetrator would probably say that for the lulz is a perfectly good reason...  Forget it, Jake; it's trollytown.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 14, 2016, 01:47:13 AM
Considering how long ago and that I don't even remember what the context was... I'd say it was forgotten long ago.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 02:04:22 AM
Forgot what? ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 14, 2016, 03:03:58 AM
 :D

I've been playing a lot of Test of Time lately, trying to refamiliarize myself with Civ II stuff before trying to tackle more advanced things like Civ III and SMAC (they're advanced to me...). So that's what I'm trying to remember these days.

And then somebody on YouTube just gave me a GREAT idea for a future NaNoWriMo story, or maybe I'll use it for Iron Pen...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 03:47:06 AM
Civ II then SMACX, trust me.  II is like a crude prototype/earlier draft of SMACX w/o the space colors and the great story, and they play similarly as such.  I'm very fond of it.

We do have an Other Games forum above this one, you know... ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 14, 2016, 03:51:07 AM
You wouldn't mind me rambling on about Civ II: ToT? It wouldn't be very technical and I'm not a modder... I just like the story possibilities and even some of the absurdities, like Dwarves modifying Clouds or eagles and hawks flying underwater.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 03:53:23 AM
RANT WOMAN, RANT! :D

That's a yes, Ms., offered with respect.  I'm SO totally fine with Other Games getting activity. ;nod
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
And back on topic, UGH.  Yin keeps replying, I accidentally led Dale to post at Poly, I went nuts and posted a spontaneous "fix 'poly's decline by posting in the site's on-topic areas once in a while, knuckleheads" rant in the Civ 6 thread in the Troll Pit - and the crapulence of the site's performance is driving me crazy(er).

No - REALLY bad.  Some debug crap popping up, takes forever to even type a sentence with the freezes- just TERRIBLE performance.  Their ads have a forum somewhere in there, and I stopped even lurking back in August when tech report PM was met with snotty rudeness, but I've never seen it this bad, and I was there in 2009 when trying to browse on a Sunday night was a joke.  This me being on Apolyton at all must end, because it's jamming up everything in other tabs at the same time.

It's broke, Jim.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on May 14, 2016, 04:52:50 AM
Huh. I have no technical issues browsing Apolyton.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 04:57:02 AM
I didn't before the ads took over - my machine sucks and some of it's just me - but this is making CFC look like Crays on both ends of a good direct LAN connection, and CFC's performance kinda sucks lots of days ever since the migration.

It's just seriously unacceptable performance and I'd flat never go back if I was a new lurker getting it, or me but wasn't talking to yin there.


I was glad, SO glad to finally close that tab, though one of the knuckleheads delayed me escaping ten minutes by actually posting in an on-topic folder about a game... ;nod  Some of them knuckleheads is act'ully more head than knuckle...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 14, 2016, 06:28:12 AM
I have the trio of noscript, flashblocker, and ublock origin. Ads and other things I dislike can go spit.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 14, 2016, 12:29:01 PM
I accidentally led Dale to post at Poly

* Self moderated. My point was made. *
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 01:07:29 PM
Mate, that's gonna have to be moderated.  You have been too eloquently obscene, congrats on that.  -Fortunately, I have a d00d for that, so be mad at him.

-Also, I'm sure you're a magnificent lover, but don't do anything to my butt, please.  'Mercans don't go in for that, 'sept the ones who do.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 14, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
You have been too eloquently obscene, congrats on that.

Thanks.

I hope you understand now though.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
I sorta hate that you did that - a couple anatomical terms euphemized would have done the trick and left the beauty of your creative invective.  :(

-Right thing to do, though - I prefer when people moderate themselves....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 14, 2016, 01:33:37 PM
I sorta hate that you did that - a couple anatomical terms euphemized would have done the trick and left the beauty of your creative invective.  :(

-Right thing to do, though - I prefer when people moderate themselves....

Okay......

So the first invective was essentially what Wat says in A Knight's Tale.

The second invective was that I described Apolyton in the exact same way that Ryan Reynolds described how he feels about criticisms of his movie in the Deadpool Honest Trailer.

That should help your viewers immensely.  :)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 01:42:48 PM
Huh.  I actually saw that Honest Trailer two days ago, and didn't catch that...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 04:56:14 PM
FWIW, Poly was unacceptably the same this morning in IE, failed to load and unfreeze completely in an hour+ in Chrome while I was AFK, but is merely sluggish and bad in Firefox.  I do not know how I got signed in there in the Great Satan FF - but it does work there, while it's the fount of all intractable browser-specific problem that get reported here.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 14, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
So the first invective was essentially what Wat says in A Knight's Tale.

The second invective was that I described Apolyton in the exact same way that Ryan Reynolds described how he feels about criticisms of his movie in the Deadpool Honest Trailer.

That should help your viewers immensely.  :)

I never saw either of those (and now I'm glad of it). No further hints necessary.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 06:57:45 PM
BTW, Lori - you told Aeson exactly the right thing - he needs to delegate 6 if he can.

Actually, I strongly suspect he ought to let Ming off the chain everywhere and see what happens.   -I know, but Ming being the son of unmarried people is not an absentee owner who's given up and no one's really in charge.
(http://alphacentauri2.info/MGalleryItem.php?id=931)
I always agreed with letting the Troll Pit be what it is at this late date - but I don't even have to make the argument to you that a little moderation would hardly make the place worse...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on May 14, 2016, 07:22:07 PM
Thinking about Poly OT makes me sad. I've been a member of that community for almost fifteen years now, and it is still my home on the internet in a way no other place has ever managed to be. But it's also like some twisted nightmare version of Cheers, where everybody knows your name and is sick to death of hearing it. I don't have any productive suggestions for the place, and while I wouldn't mind if it were more civil, I don't even know what the point would be.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 14, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
Oh, you're sitting in my idea of what an OT should be, of course -if more robust- but I was surprised how much I enjoyed swimming with the sharks for several months.  It was sorta relaxing to give as good as I got -better- and not worry.  If it hadn't turned out Spammycast spam is secretly on-topic in the worst place in the entire community, I might still be wasting my time there trying to help.

You know, I sincerely wish there was a magic way I could supply people you've known since the dawn of time, because you belong/fit here, not there, but I do totally get that this is a wonderful place to visit, not hellish home.


Ming unleashed still ought to be tried, though, even though he was part of the problem before the Schism.  Horrible management is better than no management, and I don't think he's horrible.

...It is fitting that in my last, Dancing Solver is there in my sig line to counter Dancing Ming.  Solver said just yesterday -and I'm sure he wouldn't mind me carrying this tale- that all the absentee owners like him "Should just give Ming all the sites"...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on May 16, 2016, 08:35:39 AM
I couldn't connect all evening. Got a server issue/ try later  notice.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 16, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
Same here.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Just got on, will report soon.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 06:12:37 PM
I don't really know much.  The database stopped working -Draz seems to know what that means- and had to be re-activated or something.  Thank Draz for being first on the spot to fix, and he did it half-blind in a glasses emergency, quite early in his day or up ungodly late, I don't know which.



I got around to checking CivPlayers the other day, and saw more posts in a day than ever since I signed up there - which is still only a few.  They're not really trying to be a forum anymore, as I've observed before, but there's a community on Facebook and I don't know what-all venues like Steam lobbies and IRC, I can't tell how active and healthy.  -But 6 is going to have multi of whatever qualities, and they're a multiplayer community, and there will be some demand, and there is a dedicated folder at the forum.



Draz says his glasses are fixed, and he'll continue to investigate exactly what happened - I suspect it's our host service sucking to blame, but the immediate cause was something in our forum software not working.  The three sets of .htm pages I made and we host were not down, though the Wiki was, and still was last night when he got the forum back up.  I'm doing what I can to report what I witnessed while I reported around trying to get help and stayed up late hoping - and trying to keep sisko and t_ras informed in case they find time to get involved...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Rusty Edge on May 16, 2016, 07:03:45 PM
More approximately the notice said-

SMF error    Server cannot connect to database   Please try again later.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 08:20:11 PM
Yeah; before I tried rebooting the server, it was take forever to give the ol' "This page cannot be displayed."  After, it was an instant-
"Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later."
-you didn't come by the first two hours.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 10:56:53 PM
Well I will be john browed - I didn't check 'poly between Saturday night and now, and it looks like OERDIN, of all people, after quoting my cheerleading post twice to make pathetic troll attempts (Bugs obscenity Bunny, on the other hand sank in a witty, if unfair, stinger, c'est la vie) and then took it to heart.  The boy actually started seriously contributing in their Civ 6 yesterday - posted news and everything.

More as pages finally load - the site at least is merely dead slow since I logged out.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 11:28:13 PM
 :o  Oerdin being helpful to anyone ever for any reason.  Started a news links thread and has added to it several times.  Has only posted grownup-worthy comments in the folder. :o

-And I spoke to soon about the performance - it diverted to some bullcrap page while I was posting the previous - then did it to a different page.  I've given up and booted FF.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 16, 2016, 11:47:21 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 01:07:08 AM
Aeson got bored of grown-ups and moved Yin's thread to off topic.  It's now become the usual welcoming thread of poly OFT.   ::)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 01:09:27 AM
I forgot to find that one before I closed Firefox.

I suppose I'll be a masochist and go look...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 01:11:40 AM
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 01:15:28 AM
You warned me...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 01:50:08 AM
;lol  You didn't warn me that the bad stuff was because you went and posted again, Dale.

Dale Dale, Daley-Dale.  You knew better.

I sincerely regret it for you if that crap still bothers you much after so long, but the only thing that impressed me much of the new posts was Lori letting a little fight show for them being the predictable little punks they are.  My thanks to them as thanked him for the post.

If you look at the posts I'd already had up before the move, you'll notice me being careful to talk about Civ 6.  I KNOW how Aeson gets carried away and punishes people for making activity in the on-topic...  That's why he couldn't re-build his off-topic; he must not have learned to read Spanish in the Philippines and leaves them alone, or they'd be gone, I bet.

I DID have to leave a little troll for Oerdin since it's ruined and in the Troll Pit now...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 02:26:37 AM
;lol  You didn't warn me that the bad stuff was because you went and posted again, Dale.

Dale Dale, Daley-Dale.  You knew better.

I sincerely regret it for you if that crap still bothers you much after so long, but the only thing that impressed me much of the new posts was Lori letting a little fight show for them being the predictable little punks they are.  My thanks to them as thanked him for the post.

If you look at the posts I'd already had up before the move, you'll notice me being careful to talk about Civ 6.  I KNOW how Aeson gets carried away and punishes people for making activity in the on-topic...  That's why he couldn't re-build his off-topic; he must not have learned to read Spanish in the Philippines and leaves them alone, or they'd be gone, I bet.

I DID have to leave a little troll for Oerdin since it's ruined and in the Troll Pit now...

Re-read my post there.  Obviously everyone except Lori missed the fact I don't give a rats about any of this now.   ;lol

EDIT:
And by "any of this" I mean their forum, them, wpc, ac2, cfc, civ, anyone involved in any of this.  The whole online thing.  I got a great family, 3 kids who I spend all my time with, real life hobbies and clubs.  Like seriously, DILLIGAFF?  ;lol
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 02:36:49 AM
Okay, fair enough.  I believe you did make the categorical error of showing your face in the Pit, though, after the move.  You're catnip to those yardapes, for all that they're the ones who won't let it go while pointing at anyone who was ever very active at the Frog Pond, no matter how long ago.  The blackout drinking seems to have killed any imagination Oerdin ever had, for instance.

Lori's a sharp customer.  Me, I'm not doing that to my machine again right away to re-read.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 02:45:31 AM
EDIT:
And by "any of this" I mean their forum, them, wpc, ac2, cfc, civ, anyone involved in any of this.  The whole online thing.  I got a great family, 3 kids who I spend all my time with, real life hobbies and clubs.  Like seriously, DILLIGAFF?  ;lol
Why are you here talking to me, then?  I'm asking.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 02:55:26 AM
EDIT:
And by "any of this" I mean their forum, them, wpc, ac2, cfc, civ, anyone involved in any of this.  The whole online thing.  I got a great family, 3 kids who I spend all my time with, real life hobbies and clubs.  Like seriously, DILLIGAFF?  ;lol
Why are you here talking to me, then?  I'm asking.


http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?9126-Happy-Birthday-WePlayCiv (http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/showthread.php?9126-Happy-Birthday-WePlayCiv)!&p=302774&viewfull=1#post302774

"Sure, Civ6 announcement has drawn me back into posting at some of the old sites, but come on. It's a Civ announcement."
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 03:05:34 AM
So you DO care about something.  Okydoke.

-Still haven't deciphered "DILLIGAFF".
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 03:17:35 AM
So you DO care about something.  Okydoke.

-Still haven't deciphered "DILLIGAFF".

Okay maybe I'm coming off incorrectly here.  Yes, I care about Civ, the people and community.  But it's online.  It doesn't dictate my life.  If it disappeared I'd be like "oh well, fun while it lasted".  It wouldn't bother me.  If poly or cfc or wpc or ac2 disappeared tomorrow, I'd just move on.

Which is different to just plain not caring which I think you took what I said as.

DILLIGAFF - Do I Look Like I Give A Flying F*?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 03:21:08 AM
Ah.  Rodger that.

You'll be shocked -SHOCKED, I tell you- when I admit that I'm more a internet is srys bidness sort...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 04:14:03 AM
Yeah go for it.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 04:17:08 AM
Thanks for understanding, mate.

---

I belittled your troll thing above, not really meaning to - I apologize for that.  It's like calling someone else's fight 'drama', which I think is terribly rude.  I've been trolled -you were in on it- until I snapped before, and had that held against me, like I'd gone psycho w/o being trolled persistently first.  I have to admit that I'm terribly fond of Solver, but he and spacebot didn't know what was going on in their own forum - despite me being not the only one telling them. -COUGHZoidCOUGH-

So I get how that excrement feels, and nobody's entitled to tell me how to feel about it at any remove at all for any reason.  Teasing you for throwing a rock at the hornet's nest; no intent to laugh at in any way how you may feel about years of stinging.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 04:33:53 AM
Like I've said a couple times.  I couldn't actually care any less about the whole poly thing.

And really, I only posted there because you said Yin was looking for oldies.  To which I said in his thread I don't post there but find me at wpc.  Sure I called it a cesspit, but when the owner deliberately moves the thread to the OTF and gives his reason as allowing people to flame........ action speaks for itself.  Call a spade a spade, don't pull punches.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 04:44:40 AM
...I'm really violating my own rule when I criticize management at another site -not least one who's a member here, if not active- but how the heck can I talk about anything offsite without doing that?

The boy's got the right attitude about a lot and did a lot of the right things when he took over - and I thought he could turn it around until I saw how poor his judgment was about on-topic -Yin's thread was off-topic, but not trolly, and where's the harm?  I was beginning to think his giving up was a good thing, but no, worst of both worlds.  Always punishing people for posting on-topic being unreasonably strict.  No percentage in being straight with him, either.  Rookie mistakes and won't listen to anyone when he's being the wrongest.

Dale, I tried to help him, and I'm sorry I did.  He made sure I was sorry.  That's major reason nothing happened in reviving on-topic - he made it a trial for people who tried to contribute, all fun being strictly forbidden.  (I don't get many chances to talk about this stuff with anyone who might understand.)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 17, 2016, 04:45:12 AM
...when the owner deliberately moves the thread to the OTF and gives his reason as allowing people to flame...

Discussion of forums and people would be rather more off-topic and nothing to do with Civ6 and only tangentially related to the people who might be old timers that might play it.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 04:49:19 AM
[furrows brow]  Huhwhat?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 17, 2016, 04:59:44 AM
I edited in the appropriate context for clarity.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 05:13:39 AM
[ninja'd, but the point still worth making]

I believe you're trying to say it was off-topic for the folder it was in and belonged in OTf, which is technically correct.

Wiz, you haven't seen my SMACX art modding tutorials, have you?  I wish the ins and outs of forum management were that easy to explain.  I learned most of what I know about it intensely studying Dale doing it wrong.   Also, what he did right, which was a lot, and same for his partners and the rest of the staff.  I mean, I came into the community about 15 minutes before the Schism, and was at a new place that being new, some of us were really paying attention to the nuts and bolts of how forums work - we were just seriously enthused about the community.  (I personally wasn't getting the feedback/conversation I wanted on my modding, and shifted my focus to the people, and I'm probably a special case for that, given the givens - I studied the management hard before I drifted into doing it, not for ambition, as most everyone's been a mod somewhere at least a little.  Slowwhand has.)

I don't want to be condescending and claim authority like that settles it, but I reckon I have demonstrated a few chops or AC2 wouldn't be a thing.  And ... it's complicated.  yin26 was having that conversation in the new on-topic folder because he's a gamer and wanted to talk to the other GAMERS, not Ben, Oerdin, Sava, Loin, Kid, whomever with no rules in the ocean of pee.  I don't know what call I would have made in Aeson's shoes - I know that here, I'd mention I was fixing to move it to our OT, but this ain't no ocean of pee.

It's complicated; there was no right place for that old-timers conversation at 'Poly, not if you only wanted the non-trolls, and I wouldn't expect Yin to be in there a lot, now...  I'm not sure what he should have done - but what he did was probably stomp on an opportunity to maybe lure a few old stalwarts back...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 05:18:44 AM
I've met Sloww in person by the way, and that's how I know he's been a mod - he told me while we were sitting on the tailgate of his pickup shooting the breeze outside the waffle house we'd eaten at.  He's pretty tall and has big hands, looks like Chuck Norris had a skinny younger brother.  I thought he was a nice guy in person; seemed lonely.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 17, 2016, 05:34:10 AM
I don't know what call I would have made in Aeson's shoes - I know that here, I'd mention I was fixing to move it to our OT, but this ain't no ocean of pee.

It's complicated; there was no right place for that old-timers conversation at 'Poly, not if you only wanted the non-trolls, and I wouldn't expect Yin to be in there a lot, now...  I'm not sure what he should have done - but what he did was probably stomp on an opportunity to maybe lure a few old stalwarts back...
He posted a warning after Dale's cesspool comment.

And stalwarts coming back to see Nikolai calling Sava a jerk, and Dinner's panda forum rant doesn't seem like much of a lure. If people had been civil, it would have been a fine place for it. But that seems in short supply for both the people that still post there and some the ones that "visit" from time to time.

I, of course, have no answers. Either move it or delete posts and warm up the banhammer are the only options I see. Neither of which seem particularly useful.


I've met Sloww in person by the way, and that's how I know he's been a mod - he told me while we were sitting on the tailgate of his pickup shooting the breeze outside the waffle house we'd eaten at.  He's pretty tall and has big hands, looks like Chuck Norris had a skinny younger brother.  I thought he was a nice guy in person; seemed lonely.

He's on the short list of people I'd still be willing to meet, if I were willing to meet people. Maybe after I'm done with my current employment.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 05:47:02 AM
...when the owner deliberately moves the thread to the OTF and gives his reason as allowing people to flame...

Discussion of forums and people would be rather more off-topic and nothing to do with Civ6 and only tangentially related to the people who might be old timers that might play it.

See, I would have just left it in the Civ6 forum.  It wasn't doing any harm, and if anything was having a positive influence on the on-topic Civ6 forum.  It was actually as a catalyst to get oldies chatting in the Civ6 forum.  Like myself quite a few have heard the Civ6 announcement and floated through the Civ6 forum of most of the sites.  Yin's thread would have made me post if I'd seen it (though BU did tell me it was there).

Aeson's comment about moving it so people can respond freely to derogatory comments about them doesn't make sense.  As until that post only Oerdin had said anything derogatory (post 34-35).  So to me it was a deliberate move to get the OTF usuals to start attacking me and the other "panda forum" people.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 05:53:56 AM
[ninja'd - don't discount Dale's opinion - he's Dale, yes, but has run a forum for years, and these calls are tough to make.  He's got a very strong point I agree with - you gotta let some things go and not be TOO married to rules, lest the place be no fun.]

Spaced Cowboy looks like William F. Macy had a red-headed son, and GeoModder looks like a starved caveman.  That's all the innerwebs people I've met in person, all where nice IRL.  Geo's a real charmer, especially to star-watch with.  I told him to be trying that on girls - his enthusiasm for backyard astronomy was infectious. He really won over my wimminz.

You're right that that thread was just problematic - again, I was VERY careful to keep talking about 6 every post, as I didn't want to grief of being pissed about stuff vanishing...  I still don't claim to know what the right call was, but stand behind thinking the one that was made wasn't it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 17, 2016, 07:04:27 AM
...when the owner deliberately moves the thread to the OTF and gives his reason as allowing people to flame...

Discussion of forums and people would be rather more off-topic and nothing to do with Civ6 and only tangentially related to the people who might be old timers that might play it.

See, I would have just left it in the Civ6 forum.  It wasn't doing any harm, and if anything was having a positive influence on the on-topic Civ6 forum.  It was actually as a catalyst to get oldies chatting in the Civ6 forum.  Like myself quite a few have heard the Civ6 announcement and floated through the Civ6 forum of most of the sites.  Yin's thread would have made me post if I'd seen it (though BU did tell me it was there).

Aeson's comment about moving it so people can respond freely to derogatory comments about them doesn't make sense.  As until that post only Oerdin had said anything derogatory (post 34-35). 
"This place stinks" Nikolai, post 4, and your own "fetid cesspit" at post 25 are certainly what I'd consider derogatory. Badmouthing the place you're at is virtually certain to provoke a reaction, so of course Dinner did and Nikolai (post 36) followed up, both of them starting to get more specific. If people are going to start calling people names, it should be someplace where they can answer back.

A catalyst? To start meeting up somewhere else, by the looks of it. Also not what I'd call a positive influence.

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So to me it was a deliberate move to get the OTF usuals to start attacking me and the other "panda forum" people.
"This place [that you enjoy and spend a lot of time at] stinks. And is a fetid cesspit. And one of you is a jerk." Friendly words expecting a friendly response?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 09:04:48 AM
Apolyton DOES stink, and it IS a fetid cesspit.  It isn't badmouthing when it's the truth.

Anyways, you'll notice I stopped posting derogatory comments after Aeson's first warning on it.  Ironically it was themselves, the "pure and innocent Apolytoners" who turned the waters of that thread fetid from Oerdin's post on.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2016, 12:44:03 PM
Re-read my post there.  Obviously everyone except Lori missed the fact I don't give a rats about any of this now.   ;lol

It appears you didn't read my parenthetical. Your posts were also part of the problem. But I have no interest in getting mired in this stuff. It makes me sick.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 12:53:22 PM
I can't help having an interest in the management aspect, but I'd point out this is getting circular and wanting to go to a bad place, we're all articulating truths, and say "Forget it Jake; it's Trollytown."

I was certainly being part of the problem, too, for all that the performance problems really were there and I only posted in the first place because I'd just been talking to Solver and I was logged in by accident.  You should see the things I DIDN'T say.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on May 17, 2016, 01:38:39 PM
I'm a very firm believer in leaving the dirty laundry where it lie, not dragging it off to other forums. 

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
I'm a very firm believer in leaving the dirty laundry where it lie, not dragging it off to other forums.
...You're not wrong.  Just, I don't like drama, I don't want drama - but you have to be aware of drama lest it sneak up on you and bite you on the butt; also, lest you repeat history's mistakes in ignorance.  Perhaps discussing but avoiding disagreements over assigning blame?  I dunno, but I've been bitten on the butt too many times over too many years when I wasn't paying attention.  Aside from me being an awful gossip of a certain sort, for me this is study and processing...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 02:36:14 PM
some twisted nightmare version of Cheers, where everybody knows your name and is sick to death of hearing it.
...I just want to mention that if Rusty hadn't coined the phrase "Post-journalism politics" recently, this would be the most nicely-put line I've seen all year...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on May 17, 2016, 02:48:19 PM
I'm a very firm believer in leaving the dirty laundry where it lie, not dragging it off to other forums.
...You're not wrong.  Just, I don't like drama, I don't want drama - but you have to be aware of drama lest it sneak up on you and bite you on the butt; also, lest you repeat history's mistakes in ignorance.  Perhaps discussing but avoiding disagreements over assigning blame?  I dunno, but I've been bitten on the butt too many times over too many years when I wasn't paying attention.  Aside from me being an awful gossip of a certain sort, for me this is study and processing...

YOU would even be shocked at the level of animosity some of my former efforts managed to draw from folks.  (some of the names would surprise you as well)  I just don't bother to dwell on them. 

Badmouthing the site your at is bad form.  Always.  You can make a point without lowering to insults.  "I spend my time here now" works just as much as "I don't visit this vile pool of crapulence and you can find me here".  I have no problems with any mod of any site taking whatever action they deem suitable to such posts. 

Badmouthing site X when you're at site Y is just childish.  But, to each their own on that point.  I don't personally believe it serves site Y, as creating an "us vs them" mentality is ultimately self defeating, thus I would advocate discouraging such discourse. 

Now, how have I handled "your place sucks" posters in the past?  Inviting them to make suggestions how to improve, and warming up the hammer for the likely insult to follow in the response.  And you're well aware I don't believe in temporary hammers. 

(edit in quote to better direct where I was responding)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
I'm a very firm believer in leaving the dirty laundry where it lie, not dragging it off to other forums. 

You are right.  Shouldn't kick the beehive then throw rocks at it from over here.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Well, I'm just in a reflective place with the reminders of Dad lately, the 6 announcement, and finally having more footprints here than anywhere else as of yesterday.  Truth.  Just thinking about this stuff and needing to talk about it.

You know, my intent is not to bad-mouth - but you can't discuss US politics without dumping on the Pig unless you're insane, and you can't talk about 4chan without some unfortunate behavior getting mentioned...  It is what it is.

Point certainly taken, though.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 17, 2016, 04:32:25 PM
It isn't badmouthing when it's the truth.
Truthful disparagement is still disparagement.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 04:44:28 PM
Just want to point out that the Dale, warts and all, was a very important part of Apolyton for a very very VERY long time, and he's not an outsider unentitled to an opinion because he behaved very badly when trolled very hard for a very long time and then nipped off like an adult should.  That doesn't make him The Enemy, a categorical error I see even the best of 'tubbies engage in to this day.  (I sorta want to PM Asher some threats, and he hasn't annoyed me in forever.  -This is a joke, before anyone goes stupid on me.)

And lecturing the man on cooth is a waste of time - he can be a fantastic mate when you get on his good side, and there's no talking to him when his back is up.  He'll post before long to agree with all of this, I bet, except denying that he's ever mated with me.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 04:55:18 PM
Okay, and there's this: we all agree that the current state of 'poly is unfortunate, to say the least.  I daresay even I have some small insider standing to be grousing.  I believe Dale will acknowledge that he can be a butthole.

(He and I are sorta frienemies, with a long history of fallings-out, so y'know, not saying this out of personal loyalty, just regard for the truth as I know it.)

But arguing about manners of expressing it at the Troll Pit is kinda silly when you look at it framed honestly that way, isn't it?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on May 17, 2016, 06:08:20 PM
But arguing about manners of expressing it at the Troll Pit is kinda silly when you look at it framed honestly that way, isn't it?

To me, this is exactly why Poly OT is the way it is. This is the attitude people have there: Everyone else is a raging wanker, so I might as well be, too. (In fact, I've seen loinburger make basically this precise argument, but in more colorful language.) Complaining about Poly OT for being X while being X will do nothing more than ensure Poly OT remains X. (I am guilty of this, too, btw. In fact, I've pushed loinburger (and possibly others) in that direction at times due to some poor moderator judgment on my part.)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
I hate trolls who troll about trolling worse than the regular troll, so I hear you loud and clear.

You will have observed that in my time as a pee-shark, I didn't go looking for it - spanking Oerdin each time he stepped up got boring in fact.  It was people I liked that I went to any trouble to mess with and start anything, and that's the part I don't really understand about 'nets trolls even though I was born with a troll soul.  Why screw with strangers and enemies?  Screw those guys, and fighting is no fun.

Not having to edit oneself, I totally get - and loved that part.  Putting any energy into following someone around?  Phooey.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 06:22:57 PM
And remember the drive-by defense I did of Kidicious a while back?

Man, I've caught a little of what Kid's been up to lately, and he means it but he's trolling, I daresay - but I demonstrated to my own satisfaction two years ago that the Kid problem goes away -and I even argued about women with him after we met when I hitlered his avatar- if people would just stop poking the bear.  Don't play that game unless you enjoy the mutual trolling.  He's human being worthy of respect outside some horrible opinions -which I said to his face- and it's not hard to get along with him.  I didn't even avoid his threads (I read everything not in Spanish while I was a pee shark - well, skimmed a lot of unpleasantness, but still).  I treated him with regard and got civility back.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Valka on May 17, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
I'm going to put my two cents in here: I understand the impulse to complain and gossip about other sites and specific people, as I do that myself. But there's a time and place for that, and this is an awfully public place.

CFC has Site Feedback for criticism of how that site is run. TrekBBS has a hidden (but joinable) forum called the Neutral Zone where anything goes except racial slurs and misogyny. It's vicious there at times, but at least it's not public.

The discussion that's developed here in this thread is not one that would give new people or casual lurkers a good impression of our forum. Therefore, I recommend that such conversations take place in a less openly visible area.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 06:43:51 PM
Ah, I've got it out of my system well enough and the moderator has made the same suggestion and you're both right.  Time to let this die down, I expect...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 17, 2016, 06:53:10 PM
Anyway, this is all Dale's fault. ;nod
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 17, 2016, 11:58:49 PM
I accidentally led Dale to post at Poly,

Wasn't my fault.   8)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2016, 12:09:02 AM
Anyway, this is all Dale's fault. ;nod
I accidentally led Dale to post at Poly,

Wasn't my fault.   8)
CURSES!  FOILED AGAIN!  DARN YOU, THE DALE!  DARN YOU TO HECK!!!

-And at the risk of you know, bringing stuff up again, Solver tricked me into going and looking again, and I really appreciated ColdWizard and Ming standing up for me - would have logged in if I didn't think provoking a certain schoolyard taunter into the usual pathetic cheap shots and gritting my teeth ignoring same made it not worth it.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2016, 03:54:43 AM
...I ain't right in the head, but an opening's an opening...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2016, 01:08:51 PM
Hmm.  Looking around at other forums in the family this morning, CFC's Civ 6 is still so big and busy I'm not even checking it for activity -I believe they already had a folder up for a while with "Civ VI Wishlist" sorta threads and just moved it to the top.  Must be nice to be able to get arrested with the corporate PR/Marketing flacks- and we're out in front for threads and posts among the rest, Poly being second as the regulars are slowly growing their participation there -that's the place I know we got a folder up ahead of, and I think some things I said over there in OTf did have a positive effect, notwithstanding some petulant responses- and WPC's being pretty slow.  I briefly pep-talked Solver in private even before I decided how much we were going to do here, and I posted a little rah-rah at the membership in Site Monday morning, and that's about all I can try worth trying to help them.

Poly could easily skunk us, as if this was a contest.  I'm afraid WPC just doesn't have the One Person Trying in it anymore since Nik got married to an actual woman.

I hear from someone who may or may not have inside/beta-testing information -didn't say- that 6 is gonna be better than the last two Shiny New Things.  Who knows?  I only care for the effect on the community, which will be mildy negative if it sucks, but not devastating because there's pretty universal caution - but I think some people are making the opposite mistake from when 5 was coming out; ought to throw a couple of eggs in that basket and be praying.  Same meta-strategy as we did here for BE, and it paid, depite the sucking - push the new shiny, but get our house in order with the old standard in the meanwhile.

Suck or not, 6 is a recruiting opportunity.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2016, 04:09:33 PM
The lastest I-didn't-know-Oerdin-had-it-in-him-and-am-positively-impressed report: yesterday he bestirred himself to post a link to Poly's 6, presumably in in CFC's 6 before it got moved to the Other Civ Forums forum.  It puzzles that he's so persistently hostile in OTf, when he appears to have listened so well to what I was actually saying - make it live; it's up to the members.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: ColdWizard on May 18, 2016, 06:27:47 PM
The lastest I-didn't-know-Oerdin-had-it-in-him-and-am-positively-impressed report: yesterday he bestirred himself to post a link to Poly's 6, presumably in in CFC's 6 before it got moved to the Other Civ Forums forum.  It puzzles that he's so persistently hostile in OTf, when he appears to have listened so well to what I was actually saying - make it live; it's up to the members.
There's probably was to phrase that that don't come off as "hey guys, look! The giant [poop]head has redeeming qualities after all!". Maybe it's just me. I've also been getting so some whiffs of "when they do it they're horrible people but when we do it it's ok because they're horrible people". Again, maybe just my perception things. Limited to a very few things and all in this thread but still.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 18, 2016, 07:08:28 PM
I hereby reference what I said last night about going where everybody knows me and acting like a stranger.  If I hated the Troll Pit or its denizens, I would never have said anything.  Period.  -I did for many years, because reasons that found me, not the other way around.  I got over it by the Hack, though, and everyone there who hasn't worked very very hard since to make it otherwise -a very short list; most of the guys are okay and only troll people who choose to play- has my best wishes and regards and frequently, my active liking.  Truth.

The few people in the greater community I REALLY have a problem with, I don't even mention.

I countercharge that near exactly the same thing you say flows in exactly the opposite direction -I'll defend that hill, but let's not- and this is why our friends are trying to get us to shut up with the bad-mouthing.

---

Wiz, I like the heck out of you, and knew something was wrong yesterday, and I regret that deeply.  I hope we've reached a better understanding.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
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vBulletin Message

Sorry, Apolyton is unavailable at the moment while we are doing some maintenance.

We will be back soon...
My snap reaction is that I got Aeson to make the ads not show for members and this'll only take a few minutes -or he wouldn't have done it in mid-afternoon on a weekday- so good on all of us if I'm right...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on May 25, 2016, 07:36:53 PM
No, there was some major malfunction.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 07:44:43 PM
Oh - well, it would have been nice to be shut of using the Great Satan Firefox so I could browse in this lifetime.


-You know I happen to be logged in everywhere?  -As in, haven't logged out when I navigated to the next place on my rounds.  Hasn't been that way in a very, very, wery long time for me...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 07:45:36 PM
Hey - Poly's back up.

Edit: Holy crap.  Looks like there's been a several-week rollback.  That's a disaster if so.  All of 6 and Loin's pee rampage is gone.  ZOMG, I'm seeing 1 Feb. last posts...

MY BEAUTIFUL Spider Ghost Snake Man theme, GONE!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
Oh darn.  I really hate this to happen to anyone.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on May 25, 2016, 08:04:15 PM
True.  Been through that before, myself.

On the plus side, my profile recovery was unaffected. :D  But my avatar was... :-\
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 08:36:41 PM
...I saw that - and you know I deplore the loss; mighty proud of that one...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on May 25, 2016, 09:05:57 PM
Can't restore from here without hotlinking.  I'll get it later. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
This is just so sad. :(
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 25, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
It's like i never returned.




Good.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 25, 2016, 11:27:34 PM
Uno, sir?  I made a generous offer and all, but actually putting up those four threads for them?  THAT, sir, was all-sack, all the time, and doggon decent of you while Aeson is kinda busy.  You've done a man's job. ;b;

...Sorry, Valka - just speaking guy...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 29, 2016, 03:28:46 AM
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Because I TOTALLY didn't PM you a few months ago, Kevin, about AC2, and not ever get the courtesy of so much as an answer...  It hasn't been that way for YEARS every time we tried to contact ANYone in marketing...

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Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Dale on May 29, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
 ;lol

I told ya so.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on May 29, 2016, 01:13:48 PM
When and where did you tell me so - and what, exactly?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 24, 2016, 04:45:41 PM
'Polyton's looking down for me this morning - server trouble.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 24, 2016, 06:15:20 PM
Hmm.  It was working -sluggishly- after I posted last...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on November 28, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
WPC is getting blocked as a harmful site this morning...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on November 28, 2016, 02:22:43 PM
There have been reports from others of that in Site for several days...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on December 02, 2016, 03:08:15 PM
WPC is getting blocked as a harmful site this morning...

Seems to have had the warnings removed...  try it again...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on December 02, 2016, 03:17:52 PM
The requested URL has been blocked by the McAfee Web Gateway URL Filter database module.

Potentially unwanted programs. 

I don't know if someone linked to mod or something suspected of being a virus or what.  It's usually ad programs that get that,
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on December 06, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
buster (no relation) has taken CGN down... http://www.civgaming.net/forums/index.php (http://www.civgaming.net/forums/index.php)

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civgaming.net has reached the end of the line and has been moved to offline storage.

Should anyone have an interest in the databases or other materials from the site contact:
buster@civgaming.net


It was up yesterday...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
WPC seems to have been down for over a day...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on April 19, 2017, 01:57:19 AM
WPC still down.... might have to ping Solver & Donald soon see what is up.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2017, 02:39:38 AM
I got in this morning by trying again -which didn't work Saturday morning- and two people had gotten in the same way late yesterday, with no evidence anyone else had been by since Friday.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on April 19, 2017, 11:31:04 AM
worked.  But ya, not a good thing....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 19, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
It's still on the block list.  Now at home as well as work. 

Pretty sure one of their links or files has gotten on the naughty list somewhere. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 11, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
I got into the pond early yesterday morning - and it seemed to dry up while I was there.  Still getting a 500 error 26 hours later...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 12, 2017, 11:30:11 AM
Ya, been acting up all weekend. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 12, 2017, 12:29:23 PM
Day Three - Solver washes hair
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 13, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
Day Four.  Refreshing the browser just isn't working this time around...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on June 13, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
Been blocked for half a year, I gave up. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 13, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
Refresh works for me, but I have to hit it 2-4 times.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 14, 2017, 01:21:22 PM
It just ain't working for me this time around - last time, trying the root address, http://www.weplayciv.com/ (http://www.weplayciv.com/) , got me in on the first try.

Day Five.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 14, 2017, 08:03:34 PM
I hit refresh 3-5 times and it tends to let me in. 

I thought updating the software would fix this, and it appeared to do so for a short bit... but, well... end of an era I am guessing. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 14, 2017, 09:00:26 PM
Oh, someone will fix it in a month, and Woopcie will take another year or two to dry up...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 15, 2017, 01:51:20 PM
Still broke.  Day Six.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 15, 2017, 09:35:48 PM
And no signs of fixes. 

I couldn't even get Solver or Donald to respond to PM's via Steam.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on June 15, 2017, 10:16:13 PM
If you see "me" on steam, it's likely the kids.  FYI. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 16, 2017, 02:22:32 PM
The problem seems to be something in the root directory - if I google the forum and go to the cached version, I can get into the subforums and read new posts - and it jams up again when I go back up to the root.

Day seven.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 17, 2017, 01:58:53 PM
A week, now.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 19, 2017, 02:09:49 PM
Day nine.

A link to the Alpha Centauri sub works just fine -to see that nobody's posted- but can't go up a level to check the rest...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 20, 2017, 01:53:42 AM
There have been like 10 posts total for the past 2 weeks.

4 of which are me.

None of which are much of anything, just little comments by a few of us to have at least some activity.  However, as we all have to hit refresh 2-3 times, to get in, and then usually after we post as well....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 23, 2017, 02:20:15 PM
Two weeks.

Years spent building that place, and crap like this keeps happening.  Dogonit, Solver!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on July 13, 2017, 02:31:35 PM
Finally fixed.
Oh, someone will fix it in a month
-and two days...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on July 13, 2017, 02:42:38 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 11, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
Can't get on to Whoopsie so far today...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on August 11, 2017, 08:39:13 PM
Okay, it finally let me in - nobody's posted in 23 hours, so I may not be the only one...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on August 19, 2017, 01:31:28 AM
It's still on the block list.  Now at home as well as work. 

Pretty sure one of their links or files has gotten on the naughty list somewhere.

Have you tried it recently??  seems like they finally got the Malware BS cured....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 16, 2017, 05:45:59 PM
Whoa.

Was gossiping on Skype to someone no longer real engaged with the Civ community, and mentioned CGN going away - a CGN archive may still happen as a result, not necessarily here...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 16, 2017, 06:27:33 PM
Oh hey - it suddenly just struck me that some of you knew loinburger and wouldn't have heard: he died in a fall 25 July.  There's a prominent thread in OT at 'Poly if you want to pop over and say something nice...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on September 27, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Do you walmart much BU?  You seen the furry heads available to the masses? 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 27, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
No - I was in a JoAnne's a few weeks ago and saw the not-terrible-quality skeletons they're selling for $99 but inexplicably were hanging from a regular isle-side hook so they couldn't stand up.

Why this thread?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on September 27, 2017, 06:52:50 PM
Other thrilling things?  I didn't see a good thread to talk furries honestly.  Couldn't recall where we did last... 

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A0pkJMutmQ9TMhPTfpjMm0YbP9sV1ADgR64XmXWMnoYLwALEaWJgNLwBlAb8Wld0UlECxRYLskNXgqkIUIi-Cn7qwtOwDj5DuLuBHmligZlFA3u69Ia1g_MGZY7UaXPr2hLxzgV6okxxiUYZettojwU-0WWEdYCIZmQMjKVqGrEbXulNF29fEGoHxYKt7YSC1gArFL1X05Ll951H6LHqEibznjUm9gqVMgQeT0pvjq7ZgF5DZYHj1aReTwl_u4FvVdNS8EoDvYTEZAsQY_VDdBR5kqxNshpTpB_njWim1cWLCOXcjUZ1g4e3KmzuzO2eVT0LiyLW23U52xh-sTAEPmGMMI2pybM34d4aMwS1Tps-CLkhZNMFRxdTwTdghqVzAYyX7DsE0agbbMxfFLr2qhHRrlYo0Ea2TMdE8zL6_6Wq4YBlfIgdW1DfUsbKn5Pznn2KK2-b8-eI7QKuI1AdsWxYuQtNZG5pKbRNEQ_PBKB9N-R7PxszefK6JI2UBgZYkswTcG9VbKLi3I6R_uIkFFsSUaENFZp2Li8CoHJPdPbvbaVGZUvtRUgv53PQ5CRF60c10WQuVgG_MOyIpgmNIH_oFxUVbZ8yTbBC9ltGVQ=w684-h911-no)

They were comfy to wear, but nightmarish to see out of...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 27, 2017, 07:29:09 PM
Oh, I guess the Other Thrilling Things was meant to be forum gossip or something.  We don't have an out-and-out random thread, though I sometimes use my Foul Mood thread for that...

I see a definite furry angle going there - but the timing just suggests they were thinking/thought wally-customers would only think costumes when that thing at the end of October was coming up...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on September 27, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
I just didn't want to clutter in the halloween/pithenge discussion and didn't see a good spot. 

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 01:51:16 AM
Hey Syn - I just realized you used to be Vincour, so suddenly you claiming to have been a bad mod makes a lot more sense to me. ;nod
 ;lol
Any war stories you can share?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 23, 2018, 01:57:45 AM
Hey Syn - I just realized you used to be Vincour, so suddenly you claiming to have been a bad mod makes a lot more sense to me. ;nod
 ;lol

Haha, this could be read as you agreeing with that self-assessment. :P
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 02:38:46 AM
I remember you getting appointed, I think, and saw you around working hard for maybe a year or something.  Pretty recently, like up to last year, maybe.

Have you ever seen Colors?  I had a strong-ish impression that you were pretty Pac-Man.  -Which is my impression of Leif, too, though I framed it as a complement to his face.  (Sincere; he PMed me when I posted to ask a point of policy about PDMA agreeing with the mod when being a jerk was FINALLY stepped on, and we had a useful conversation about a great many things.  I do know how to be a good citizen, and I also love talking shop.)

Any forum, even one with a Nazi reputation?  Better off with Pac-Man more than Old King Log, still, and that's a fact.  I sometimes thought you charged way too hard and stomped things that didn't need stepping on - but then, that's what Leif, or at least Lefty, told you to do, isn't it?

Heck, we could burn out the server just talking about Lefty, if we were both stupid enough to be that indiscrete.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 02:59:40 AM
You probably recall my stint playing Internet Revolutionary in Site c. late 2014?  I don't take any of that back, but I wish I'd gone in with a plan, not ad-hoc never intending to stir up until I was doing it, and I wish I'd been less honestly hostile and more diplomatic - and understood CFC culture better.

I've read every single post in Site there since.  -And I trust PeteK, and haven't had any bad nerdbage encounters in years, and it's finally registered on me that the membership culture, too often, is a bunch of contrarian griefers - and theeere's the improved attitude towards the  guards at the Camp, since.  I been studyin'.  So staff culture is a subject of great interest, especially with the message discipline being so annoyingly well-coordinated and the Staff Room being a black box.  -I can often pump a blabbermouth anywhere else...

SO - insights welcome, is all.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 03:19:56 AM
I don't MAKE mistakes, so if you thought there was an inept/tactless juxtaposition there at the end above, I don't know WHAT you could be thinking...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 23, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
I was a moderator from, I believe, March to November 2017. Not very long at all. I made my mark and then bailed when my mental health began to take precedence over basic responsibilities. I don't think I was around, as a member, during 2014. I used to regularly leave CFC for 8-16 months at a time. I may have joined in 2006 (when I was 12 years old!) but actual time spent on CFC is probably half that time, or less.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 02:59:25 PM
It's the thread Thorvald still has linked in his sig, if you're curious, and I got a number of PMs from total strangers over it -one became a new friend- and a long (pleasant, respectful) PM convo w/ ainwood, and generally my protests were definitely noticed. [shrugs]  I joke that I trolled the heck outta the Guards at the CivCentration Camp in their own Site - ain sorta accused me, even, though it was no part of my intention.  It's sorta my main claim to fame at CFC, and I hope the staff has forgotten it, or at least noticed a much sweeter attitude now, what with I've been doing my homework for four years since.

March looks right, but you may have lasted into December - I'd rather deduced that you'd quit about the end of the year, 'cause that's when all the appeals stopped being initiated.  I DID bother to do some cursory looking-up later last night...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 03:42:08 PM
HA.  I fished myself in to reviewing-

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/pd-of-pdma.506123/#post-12692308

-and you were right there all along -it started Aug 2013- and after I came in at p.4, you actually have a post right under one of mine on the next page.  So far, I see my tone was better than I recalled; I remember how angry I was over times I'd gotten burned by bully-modding there as I posted -and ain calling me, mostly in private, on less-than-prefect tact/one- not so much how much work I put into trying to be persuasive...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on March 23, 2018, 05:34:30 PM
HA.  I fished myself in to reviewing-

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/pd-of-pdma.506123/#post-12692308

-and you were right there all along -it started Aug 2013- and after I came in at p.4, you actually have a post right under one of mine on the next page.  So far, I see my tone was better than I recalled; I remember how angry I was over times I'd gotten burned by bully-modding there as I posted -and ain calling me, mostly in private, on less-than-prefect tact/one- not so much how much work I put into trying to be persuasive...

I still say there should not be any discussion of moderation except in PMs. No exception. PM an active admin if you still care enough to post there. Other wise you just create posts that imply drama when there may or may not be any and trolls gaming the system.

As far as "out of control mods"or mod bullies, if a place has out of control mods, just do not post there.

Better, if you are on a hobby board that seems like that but has good info, either just lurk or keep the discussion on the hobby. Some places are better than others as far as echo chambers versus diverse discussion.

If the administrator is neglectful/does not care/absent enough to appoint volunteer mods that are not suited and does nothing, he/she does not deserve the content.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 06:27:06 PM
Green, if my only management priority in play was no drama, I couldn't allow any discussion of politics or religion.

Nossir, you're here to have a good time, every soul ever logged in on this forum is here to have a good time on some level, and that includes me, and you don't understand how or why I manage as I do without understanding I try to give the community its head in anything not too indecent or unpleasant I can afford to tolerate and still have a good place.

And maximum if-embarrassing-or-risky transparency is one of my more basic site policies.  You know a little about my history with the stupid drama blowback over incomplete PM and private subforum leaks -during my sordid past as a poison newb, mostly, but always going on a little- many in the greater community seem to have a problem with honoring confidences, and that's one of the few things that I'll turn into the Hulk and quickdraw the hammer over w/ no notions of mercy troubling, and not hesitate nor feel bad about afterwards.  I. done. been. burned. a few times that way.

Instead, I choose, knowing where you and Uno come from when you get onto me that way about this kind of thing, and knowing you're both right, to remove all possibility of misunderstanding by getting things only potentially dicey and not actively embarrassing up in plain sight and on the published record.

It is basic to the participatory aspect of how I manage here, Yr Humble Dictator depending on the counsel of his beloved people, which is exactly how you and I are currently interacting.  If I don't hang out laundry not disgustingly soiled, how can you know enough to usefully advise me?  You just engaged in gig-earning behavior over there, but welcome encouraged behavior here.  My way burns more time, but it's the right thing to do, and flatly just works better in this room with these people in the numbers we get.


Besides, if Lefty swung by and read this entire thread word-for-word, he'd probably never say a word to anyone, not having taken any great offense -or maybe argue with me- but I'd anticipate no great likelihood of provocation or hard feelings.  Some common camper who doesn't know me is more likely to take offense, but --- I should have such problems, Syn being it for CFC people who've posted here since Kyriakos was pushing his book last year.  (We're Apolyon's grandchild, culturally, is the big problem I perceive with drawing and keeping CFC people.)  Petek was far the most active CFCer for years in the beginning when we needed his support, but the gentleman doesn't OT, and I've said nothing I wouldn't want him to see.

This thread is for downage reports and gossip, one being a directly useful function, and the other a ghetto for when somebody wants to girldog on something not RL but not AC2 - check the OP; Zoid really meant to slag Locutus, not discuss downage.  I allow it, though bitter badmouthing is generally discouraged in this positive-atmosphere community, and actually forbidden where I deem it likely to be seen by the wrong person and cause trouble (and you are invited, if the search engine steps up better than I expect, to search AC2 for how many times I've said vyeh on this site, then count how many of those times I said something negative about; discretion is not an alien concept to me) but - allowing a medium-length leash in this thread serves a very real need.

-Not least of which sometimes I want to grouse myself - and I am a student of all forums in our circle, because my job, because it's related to my own need/love for talking shop about the number one hobby I pursue like a full-time job right here where you stand.  I'm always thinking about forum-building/running, and sue me for wanting to talk about it, and studying other forums in our circle and comparing / contrasting being part of my learning process - and talking about, my idea of a good time.


Again, it's my house and I am king here - but the way I roll is to want input, else how can I make you happy and encourage you to come around and entertain me?  I've always talked about a major fraction of what I do and how I do it, and I invite feedback, and none of that's likely to ever change.  It's carefully thought-through.  Few things can't be worked-out through talking it out - works for me...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 23, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
I should have such problems, Syn being it for CFC people who've posted here since Kyriakos was pushing his book last year.  (We're Apolyon's grandchild, culturally, is the big problem I perceive with drawing and keeping CFC people.)

I think I've visited Apolyton two or three times in the past 12 years. Never really had an interest in the place, not even enough to simply browse or lurk.

Some day I'll harass all of you to buy my stuff, but that day is not today. ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 06:50:19 PM
Feel free.  You're obviously here to be one of us, and that makes overt commercial spamming not spam, see also Kry's thread in PT, or Buy Elok's Book!

...I'm actually active lately at the Troll Pit.  Nothing like my preferred atmosphere, but I was talking openly there this week about my love life, lack of same -the no sex in this house joke, phrased as not a joke- and not a single pee shark has taken a single shot at the huge target on my back.  I got friends there...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
Anyway, this has interest as the closest I'd gotten to blunt hostility after the Yang comparison that began my run at this days before...

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The PDMA policy is only the tip of an iceberg and not even the ugliest crag, only the most blatant expression of -as they say on [a notorious board that I see I may not mention], DOING IT WRONG.  I think it's entirely possible that only an outsider has the perspective to see the truth.  I honestly think the staff here, most of them anyway, believe the excuses they shovel all over Site.  And the membership is so used to it and/or cowed by constant harshness that those not blind choose not to speak.

To answer a charge The_J leveled:  I did open my comments in this thread by insulting the entire staff, and I am comparing CFC to a totalitarian state at the same time, yes.  As I implied about taunting Yang, I believe that a genuinely strong person can afford to be gentle, as Julius Caesar was in showing his enemies mercy.  A need for minute control of every trivial aspect of everything -in a social setting, of all things, which is what this place ultimately is- is a sign of weakness and/or insecurity.  [shrugs]  I don't say it out of malice; I do to perhaps shock people into questioning themselves.

The lists staff keeps supplying of possible problems and exceptions and bad behavior by the inevitable troublemakers miss the point.  The real point is that, while it's great that CFC is a [person linguistically and/or ethnically Spanish]-and-span operation, it's spanned by nerdz, an internet-dwelling species well known for having little or no sense of perspective and little or no people skills.

That challenge is pandemic throughout almost all forums everywhere - and CFC has adjusted in a way unique among the English-speaking Civ family of forums. 

It's very important that you understand that I'm articulating the straight-up overwhelming perception in the rest of the Civ community, that CFC is the CivCentration Camp.  I don't know that I would want CFC to change TOO much -a selection of atmosphere and styles among the different forums to choose from is good for the fans- but a few of the right tweaks to the behavior of the staff here could shift that bad reputation over to 'runs a tight ship'...

But I have to ask - why do they not need a PDMA rule at the Troll Pit or the Frog Pond, but you do in the CivCentration Camp?  I was on staff for a while at the Pond, and a well-informed insider for years, and it was never a problem.  Period.  And do you think those nice young men in the Pit are prone to making it easy for the management?  Do you think the gentlemen running those places are fools (shhh!  Let me finish) for allowing a problem they don't have to (not) exist?

Shoot - at my forum, I explicitly announced that

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You can sass us to your heart's content under the same limitations you're under about anyone else; don't piss us off. :)


So what's so different/wrong with CFC that you need a PDMA rule that makes you look so Big Brother Chairman Yang Godwin's Law invoked bad?  I don't know - I'm asking.  Is it because CFC is run by bullies, he asked rhetorically.  From the outside, it looks like it's run by bullies for bullies, so I'm asking.

Then there's this lovely detail spicing up CFC:

MODERATOR ACTION: I AM GOD ALMIGHTY OR YOUR DAD, AND I'M SHOUTING FOR SOME REASON; I HAVE A NERDBADGE AND YOU DON'T.

That bit just gets up my nose something fierce, even just seeing it done to others.  I don't let God or my dad talk to me like that, and no one else better even try.  Big red bold all-caps just demonstrate a wrong attitude, IMAO.  It's no way to communicate anything in an atmosphere of even bare civility, let alone the level of respect a human being should command from another human being.

It LOOKS, however, a lot like the level of respect a bully gives a human being.  Twice today I've seen Birdjaguar posts that at least left off the all-caps - drop the bold and change the color to something less angry like dark blue (which ought to stand out more against the default theme) or even better, leave of the color entirely.  I'm aware that the style hardly originated here, but ask yourself why doing it so loudly, in a way that intimidates, is needed.  Is the intimidation a coincidence?  No, really?  Is your control so precarious?  People's feelings matter.  Maybe the staff doesn't know they hurt people who are really invested in this, their online home.  Maybe the staff doesn't care.  Maybe some of them enjoy it.  I raising the issue, because these questions need to be asked and answered.

I don't care why; I care that it isn't right.  We take callous abuse, all of us, in RL, whether at work, school, the DMV, from the insurance companies or waiting to be treated like nothing by the receptionist at the doctor's office -a million little things, and too many not so little- and come here to escape that. 

In Civ forum circles, going OT answering a question is only a crime at CFC, especially in an OT folder.  Maybe it was to teach me a lesson because the moderator knew I was a problem newb elsewhere at the time - well, the only lesson I learned was that I ain't got time for &^%$#@! CFC.

ainwood likes to say that "moderators need to own their own crap" but that he doesn't want to embarrass them or make their lives tougher.  Fair enough, as far as it goes - but where it goes is the middle ages, and regular citizens ain't the nobles, nor is their humiliation and tougher lives taken into account when staff defends policy.  Who is this all for, then?  Surely not the ruling class.

ain will surely admit that he isn't better than me, or at least not because he's management staff at a forum (it seems like about one third of everyone is or has been forum management somewhere) but I've SEEN people pin on a nerdbadge for the first time and suddenly start going everywhere in a Napoleon uniform.  Easily a third of the rules/policy at this place sure do look like a little blue coat (avec hand-tuck) to me.

I feel like Don Quixote.  I try not to let my back up seeing people being wrong on the internet - but evil prospers when good men do nothing.  This is important enough to waste time at a place I gave up on a long time ago.  This is important enough to risk the commitment I have to support Petek and the SMACX subforum, because I don't trust everyone on the staff here to not do something foolish to a dissenter.

PDMA?  Jesus.  I suppose it's a coincidence that this policy that none of the other places I browse/post needs is exactly what bullies and power-mad jerks would do.  I will give up and leave the internet forever before I ever have an outrageous rule like that at my place.  I wouldn't be able to live with myself.  I would be too ashamed to show my face among decent people.

THINK.  Think about what you're doing.

-There IS A Better Way.

In another one of those strange coincidences, one of my people volunteered this embarrassing tidbit yesterday:

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Which raises a question.... now that I've been throwing around things about forums, ( let me count, I frequent 4 other forums as often as I check my e-mail accounts, others from time to time ) Have I ever seen a better moderator? ..... No. Never. Not even myself, because I didn't have your energy level.


Leadership.  Take really good care of them, make a lot of speeches to set the tone and persuade them to do things and understand your vision and style and set the culture of the forum, go out of your way to make them feel empowered while reserving a veto for the important things, and they love you for it.

It only takes two people to have a flamewar, so it's not all just the numbers; I've stumbled onto something powerful that works.  -Because believe me, it's not that I'm good with people, or I wouldn't live online.  Leadership; it works.

I invite inspection of the following thread, when I invited the citizens to make up the rules for the forum themselves:

[url]http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2653.0[/url] ([url]http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2653.0[/url])

I said in the quote in the OP that forums are never democracies.  I later call myself an absolute dictator.  -Because that's the way it is, and I don't lie to my people; and that's how I earned their trust.  That and running the forum on respect flowing in all directions.  And hiding my Admin status in my postbit, because I'm the janitor and their leader, but I don't need a crown, just persuasion and common sense.  I give them freedom in most things that will do no harm, unashamedly hold and wield absolute power in things that will, and asked two members for permission today before I split a thread gone OT - it wasn't important enough to take instant action. 

I don't remember the last time I gave an order.  Seriously.

I treat them like they're cool and admirable and mature -with respect- and they act cool and admirable and mature in return -and I get respect back, not because I demanded it or asked for it, but because I gave it and earned it.  Leadership.  It's not just the most powerful tool I have as admin, it's also my job.

Go look around, and tell me the place is out of order.  There's a wildly OT thread in MP because of a sick member - where's the harm?  I'll step on it if 15 people start sick threads, but they won't, and I won't have to.

All this because I have a bad attitude -I do- and a chip on my shoulder -you've noticed- and I'll be dipped if I'm going to run things like I'm The Man, and treat people the way I HATED! being treated as a citizen. 

And it got me a bunch of friends and a growing forum full of happy men and women.  I feel pretty good when I look in the mirror.  There Is a Better Way, and Its Name Is Leadership.

CFC can pull out a mirror, the rules/policy list and the staff roster, and take a good long look and make some scary/hard choices and do the right thing.  Or it can tell me excuses and go on with business as usual and a bad reputation in the community.  Whatever.
FEEL tha RAGE! of it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 23, 2018, 08:46:49 PM
On page nine, I see the point when BirdJaguar and I first became friends.  -Not tight, but if we ran into each other a lot more, maybe so.  Respect.

That I totally feel good about w/o reservations, and ain and I are reasonably close to that, too, if we also haven't talked in a long time.  He totally was doing a thing -in public and PMs- I do constantly here when I'm pretending not to be moderating, and he was doing it well; talking me down...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 23, 2018, 11:25:48 PM
I don't relate to making friends on forums. When I was much younger I made a few friends on CFC but it didn't last long. Since then I've gone at least 5 or 6 years having had no real commitment to other members off-site. At best I'm simply cordial with a few people.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 23, 2018, 11:53:58 PM

I think I've visited Apolyton two or three times in the past 12 years. Never really had an interest in the place, not even enough to simply browse or lurk.
Have you been to WePlayCiv??  We do talk about a lot of things as well posting about other games. 

There is a fair amount of interest in Stellaris (as well as a few other Paradox games).  There are currently 3 different DAR/AAR's for three different games, that are being updated fairly regularly.  One of them is mine (shameless plug... ) The NEX Grid.... Read to be Assimilated...
  https://www.weplayciv.com/forums/topic/9335-the-nex-grid-read-to-be-assimilated/ (https://www.weplayciv.com/forums/topic/9335-the-nex-grid-read-to-be-assimilated/)

Ya'll are more than welcome to visit...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 24, 2018, 12:19:01 AM
WePlayCiv... wasn't that the site that got hacked and went down for several months?

Probably not the best thing a layperson should recognize the name as...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 24, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
It went down for inexcusably long a couple times -the last, a month and three days- but no, it was APOLYTON that was spectacularly hacked.  (And Solver, who'd left to found WPC on very bad terms w/ those left behind [trolling raids and much bad-mouthing/bad blood, most all flowing from 'Poly] showing up out of the blue to bail them out was the MOST. EPIC. THING. I've EVER seen in nine years now livingfull-time in this Greater Civ Community.)

WPC is quiet these daus, but worth a look. ;nod



-Great CFC reading-old-stuff-spinoff news just happened, but it can wait until after I've had supper...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 24, 2018, 12:40:53 AM
The Great Migration...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 24, 2018, 02:08:06 AM
So, there was a 5-page parallel thread that got split off from the FAQ thread when conversation broke out, and reading my posts in it will make my parts of the long PDMA thread make more sense.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/invisible-mode-reported-posts-and-pms-communicating-with-moderators.508040/

-Reading old stuff caused me to ping Lefty to correct a misconception he's had about me for nine years now - Lefty's a mench and will do the right thing. ;nod

And while I was in there, I re-pinged leif about some cooperative stuff we were discussing two years ago to ask if there was anything to report from the admin committee now, and let's get it straightened out before I eventually came up with something I wanted to promote on CFC, he replied pretty quickly that he was throwing to Petek, AC being his domain - and that's when I remembered that Mart's working on an April GotM!  OMG!  Perfect timing, because Petek always seemed sympathetic and he's got considerable more weight than the last time I bothered to go to him with anything...  Yay!


-And I've realized, reading me repeatedly not being able to tell my Lefty story over there when I needed to as an example of where I was coming from - not only CAN I do it here, I'm YEARS beyond being upset about it, and it's only Lefty being Lefty and me being the dunderhead newb I was then, so not bad-mothing to tell it, nor even indiscrete. Fer realz. ;nod
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
Syn, I fell into a debate today with Kyriakos on the intersection of art and history re: not letting the Greek Masters blind you to other stuff.  -If you'd enjoy seeing him get spanked, https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/bbcs-civilisations.630467/
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2018, 09:15:32 PM
The Great Migration...
Say on...

Really.  I wish you'd been at the Frog Pound at founding, 'cause outsiders never understand.  -But tell MO war-stories or whatever to your heart's content.  I eat that kind of gossip like candy, and Solver says I'm the greatest living historian of WPC, despite only spending a few years there, 'cause I was paying attention, gathered a lot of inside info, and have a great memory for junk I care about.  I'm ambitious to someday punk DarkCloud, who I miss, as historian of the whole community, so please let fly...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 25, 2018, 09:39:12 PM
Speaking of forums going down, does AC2 go through nightly maintenance after 11 PM PST every day? The site slows down to a crawl, or doesn't load at all, every night after that time. For me that isn't a big deal since I'm laying in bed by that time and thus not posting (instead, just browsing), but it's been like this every night since I've joined.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
Funny; I have a low-end machine a couple years old and a weak Wi-Fi connection, so I'm used to crapulent performance and don't notice minor performance issues or just think it's my end - but you're right.  I've haven't hit my 11pm wrap-up bed goal in two weeks, and I think you're right.

The tech boiz don't tell me everything, and I don't recall EVERYthing, so I bet some backup process is running.  Draz is GMT, sisko and t_ras GMT +2, so somebody probably forgot when the middle of the night is in North America...




Kry surrendered after only five posts of being wrong, only three v. me, and to his credit, he listened to logic and evidence and realized he was wrong, but wrong indeed he was and schooled he now is.  You're welcome.  I still like the guy.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 25, 2018, 10:33:09 PM
Most of it was to MZO, while MasterZen was still around...  you can still find some of the pages from that site on Archive.org
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2018, 10:37:17 PM
What was MZO like?  Who was there - (I listen to stories and know more about people way before my time than I should, so I might recognize)?  Notable points in the history?  Good times? Bad times?  Stupid times and broken timepieces?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 25, 2018, 11:40:08 PM
a lot of the people at WPC for one...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 25, 2018, 11:41:09 PM
Right.  Go on...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 26, 2018, 12:04:43 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20051027201534/http://forums.mzocentral.net:80/index.php?showtopic=1700 (https://web.archive.org/web/20051027201534/http://forums.mzocentral.net:80/index.php?showtopic=1700)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 12:07:28 AM
Guess again.  NObody clicks links on forums.  I bet Syn didn't even bother to go see me spank Kry yet, and he was probably already onsite and logged in over there...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 12:11:43 AM
Hah! I did read it, I just don't have anything to say about it. I've trolled Kyriakos twice in the past about Greece and his affections for his home, it's pretty boring now. :P
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 26, 2018, 12:13:08 AM
My old sig from MZO
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Worship the Comic Here!

Term IV Deputy Foreign Minister for Trade of Apolytonia
Term V CP & Term VI DM of Apolytonia
Term VII SMC of Apolytonia

QUOTE(Flamer(fin) @ Apr 22 2006, 02:22 AM)
No.. you got it all wrong. We eat snow! :p We sacrifice the reindeer to our winter god to please him. When he is pleased, we will have lots of snow and everybody has something to eat.

QUOTE(conmcb25)
As long as I could figure a way to hump myself, I would be OK with that ;)

And no I dont want that in anyones sig :p
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 12:15:41 AM
I've seen that line in a sig before. ;nod

Poor con - lazy and sucks.  That's on top of OLD, and he's a member here, so I'm not allowed to say so.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 26, 2018, 01:13:07 AM
Some of the page links on Archive.org don't work as those pages were never archived.  I think that UnO's prose that he had written is not accessible, but I haven't really taken a look.

But I DID find this when I followed one old link that I had posted in the 2006 Refugee Day thread.  It was part of a link to a post that I posted at 'Poly on the same day

Here is the text of it
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Refugee day at MZO
22-04-2006 20:30
Today is the 3rd aniversery of the day that the Apolyton Refugees, during the great server crash of 2003, followed a link from the imarton.net "forum" to a haven in the great dark, [url]http://www.mzocentral.net[/url] ([url]http://www.mzocentral.net[/url]).

This is an except from MasterZen's own experiance of the crash and the exodus
quote:
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Bang, Boom, Crash!


5 days later tragedy hit. Waking up I went to do what I usually did: log on to Apolyton and spa...err, surf for a while. But on this day, April 22, 2003, there was no apolyton. There was nothing. Only a notice that the site had crashed and it would be moved to a new server and could take days to come back online. Tragedy!

A few hours later, a link appeared to another site from the owner, [url]http://www.imarton.net[/url] ([url]http://www.imarton.net[/url]). Immediately most people moved over there and started posting. That forum however, was very rudimentary, no smilieys no avatars, just text. Accustomed to at least see the avatarized representations of ourselves, that forum looked funny, faceless. We felt like refugees basically, locked in each other's cell, unable to see anything, other than listen to each other. It was hilarious. Bascially during that morning most people just spent joking around, lamenting the fate of their home on the internet or just simply "checking in". Imarton.net was thus dubbed the "refugee camp" for all the displaced people at Apolyton looking for a temporary online home.

Then it hit me. What if I posted a link to MZO so people would move over during the crisis? My forum was fare more visually appealing than the faceless forum of imarton.net. Of course, I honsetly had no clue that people would actually decide to stay and post more than once. Why would they?

As morning turned into noon, the unthinkable happened. Registrations! Lots of them! People started flocking here, mostly by word of mouth and by posting the link on other threads on imarton.net . The strategy forum folk, guys like Theseus, Dominae and Arrian were some of the first to come. And what did they do? Start succession games! The Civ3 demo game community also came, led by folks like Togas, UnOrthOdOx, Shiber, Konquest and many other. Most of the Spanish forum also came and registered, guys like Chilean President, Manya and Alfred Palacios (known as El Awrence at 'poly). In one day, exactly 47 people registered on MZO, still a record.

A community had formed.


MZO still has a thriving community, who have recently entered a team into the Civ4 InterSite Democracy Game. MZO has forums for Civ and a host of other games. MZO also has discussions on News, Politics, Science, Art and many other topics. And of cource, there is a spam forum, for things likel posting when your drunk, etc...

MZO is currently at the startup stage for a new Civ4 Reality PBEM, where the audiance decides who of the different players of the game, get replaced. The players must entertain, with regular reports, on the status of their Civs, to keep in the game. They also have immunity challenges that they must face, to have immunity from being voted off for that round. As the Civ3 version was a great amount of entertainmant, the Civ4 version also promices to be just as great, even better.

Here is to a great site, that was there for Apolyton, when the crash had happened.

E_T
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 01:40:21 AM
Now THAT's the stuff. ;nod

I've only heard MZO mentioned in the past tense, and not a lot of that...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on March 26, 2018, 03:22:49 AM
It was similar to this place, but the owner was slightly less eccentric. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 03:26:27 AM
That doesn't narrow it down a lot, y'know...





-I did kinda sorta a little retire from 24/7 comedy spamming almost nine years ago...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 03:28:51 AM
Retirements never last.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 03:33:00 AM
Metaliturtle swung by here for a few weeks three years ago, and certainly tried - but it just wasn't the same w/o z4ckdabeast and eastsidebagel.

Ah, how I miss wrecking up Solver's online forum dream with Tha' Clown Posse at my side.

That sounds like a joke, but some jokes are true, and I told Solver so a few days ago...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 03:34:12 AM
It was similar to this place, but the owner was slightly less eccentric. 
P.S. Y'all.  Uno don't take a lot of shots no more, so stick this in your pocket like the gold it is.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 03:36:36 AM
Pockets! How rich do you think we are?

Look at this guy, thinkin' we can afford stinkin' pockets.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 03:39:06 AM
No, not thinkin' 'bout that - too busy edging away because of a theory 'bout what's IN those pockets.  It sure don't SMELL like gold...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 03:58:59 AM
Just a friendly game of pocket pool. :)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 26, 2018, 04:05:59 AM
cheezie....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 04:24:51 AM
Just a friendly game of pocket pool. :)
Let's set a date.  I always wanted a June wedding...  :-*
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 04:29:02 AM
My birthday's in June! This is the best gift ever.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 04:49:09 AM
As an engagement present now, would you like me to change your display name to "Synthesia" or "Synesthesia", and put "CFC ex-mod scum" for your custom user title?

It's extra fun if your c.u.t. runs into Writer to make a sentence...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
You think I'm moderator scum?!

*ugly sobbing*
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 06:44:15 PM
Correction: you're pretty when you cry.

You haven't actually answered the question.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on March 26, 2018, 06:50:49 PM
My name isn't based on synesthesia, so a pass on that one. :P

As for the user title... I don't really bother with them. You can do it, I guess, if it makes you happy. ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 26, 2018, 07:07:25 PM
Uno HAS Synesthesia, so that would amuse me, is all.

I'm going to c.u.t you now - it's subject to future change or erasure, so don't be shy.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 27, 2018, 03:49:03 PM
Had a productive conversation giving helpful advice to Arakhor this morning.  He's definitely CFC, but not impossible to talk to.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 27, 2018, 09:27:52 PM
-Mind you, all I've actually accomplished so far is getting him to add admonishing me for necroing to his terse announcement that the thread is closed, but I actually did the staff a huge favor getting that much - and I got leif to publically admonish me once, pointing out that our PM conversation was invisible moderating unless someone answered the question I'd posted publically.  ;lol

The things I do to be a good guy. ;no  -But I believe it'll get kicked around the Staff Room now, so maybe further good done.

Despite my firm belief in management transparency, I do the invisible stuff all the time - but a public member question ought to get a public answer of at least "PM sent".  Anything else looks like management not giving a euphemism...

---

Note that I've not indicated so much as the vague drift of what I was told in either private conversation.  Respect my class!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 30, 2018, 04:19:38 PM
Ha.  Oerdin crossed me yesterday in the ocean of pee that is the Troll Pit yesterday, and I've derived a mild pleasure in taking him to school.  -Hopefully, my latest will have capped it off to a satisfactory ending -in the finest Apolyton tradition of not-mature obnoxiousness- and he'll see the bit that's peace offering and learn to stop stepping up.  One can only hope...

---

On a distantly-related matter on yet another site, night before last a discrete peace overture was rejected in a classless public fashion, significantly including an accusation of me having done bad-mouthing where I 'thought' he 'wouldn't see', no details or time-frame provided.  I'm probably incredibly guilty, but it's an open admission of extensive hate-lurking, and my feeling about that are no secret.  I should be flattered to yet again be so important to someone, but that's just not how it works.

Upside and happy ending though - a long-term problem has announced he's Leaving Forever, and that ought to last six months or so, he doing all his malicious trolling at a third site we both frequent in entirely different folders and I never see him around unless he foolishly takes it to Site were he don't for long. ;nod

-And someone on staff at 'yet another site' wisely did his job for once, and had plonked the thread ruined by public 'drama' the next morning, limiting the damage. ;b;

---

-Green, Uno, discretion is wise, yes, but I can not live my online life in fear of the stalkers.  No way.  Sometimes I feel like talking vaguely about stuff going in this, my life.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 30, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conversational_dynamics.png)
It's funny because I've been in arguments at CFC... ;lol
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on March 31, 2018, 12:26:59 AM

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On a distantly-related matter on yet another site, night before last a discrete peace overture was rejected in a classless public fashion, significantly including an accusation of me having done bad-mouthing where I 'thought' he 'wouldn't see', no details or time-frame provided.  I'm probably incredibly guilty, but it's an open admission of extensive hate-lurking, and my feeling about that are no secret.  I should be flattered to yet again be so important to someone, but that's just not how it works.

Upside and happy ending though - a long-term problem has announced he's Leaving Forever, and that ought to last six months or so, he doing all his malicious trolling at a third site we both frequent in entirely different folders and I never see him around unless he foolishly takes it to Site were he don't for long. ;nod

-And someone on staff at 'yet another site' wisely did his job for once, and had plonked the thread ruined by public 'drama' the next morning, limiting the damage. ;b;



So that's what that was...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 31, 2018, 12:40:13 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 12:22:04 AM
...Chin-deep in my long-term project to do what I can for the life of the Greater Community at WPC yesterday and today.  I tilt at windmills eternally, but as I've been telling Solver, I've got a few GD windmills on my trophy wall...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 01, 2018, 01:59:29 AM
Did you see my reply in that thread?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 02:05:17 AM
Did you see my reply in that thread?
I did, just a few minutes ago.

OT, but needed saying.  Whatever Uno Y'all could scrape up would be good for WPC.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 01, 2018, 02:53:09 AM
Maybe he needs to reload his Certificates (UnO that is)...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 03:29:02 AM
If HE has to do a thing but navigate, Donald sux.

WooPCie needs a more active tech guy.

I'd have fired Donald over that login problem lasting almost two years before even bothering to look for a replacement.  Dunno where WPC tech support would be had then, but really.  Did more to kill the place than everything I did.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 01, 2018, 04:02:28 AM
I would suggest a forum merge under your control.

It would be good for both sites.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 04:25:04 AM
WPC's got, like 12 guys regular left - and I'd lose at least half automatically.  They knew me -or thought they did-when I was a poison newb...

SO - when Solver finally pulls the plug, make no mistake that they're all welcome; but I'm really interested in scoring his mountain of content, which, I bet, is totally doable.  He knows I'd take care of it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 01, 2018, 04:29:43 AM
If HE has to do a thing but navigate, Donald sux.

WooPCie needs a more active tech guy.

I'd have fired Donald over that login problem lasting almost two years before even bothering to look for a replacement.  Dunno where WPC tech support would be had then, but really.  Did more to kill the place than everything I did.


I have work block lite on all systems I use to access the webs.  I wouldn't expect them to know what or how to fix.  But, it's something they have is flagging the system is all.  It's a link in some thread somewhere is flagged as a virus.  But needle/haystack.  I did post details some time ago before the home/phone options went away.  I don't know their ad situation, but 90% of the time on the halloween place, it's the banner ads. 

And Donald don't suck, he's just stretched thin due to his gig at the 2k. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 01, 2018, 04:33:54 AM
If'n I was really desperate, I could pull out the bluetooth keyboard and access from my ps4, I suppose. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 04:35:41 AM
His gig at 2K is shameful 'Poly OT 2.0,

And he treated me like dirt/with contempt when I had only been nice to him.  Go read the Staff Room tech report thread Oct 2011-through Feb 6 2012 and see him go into hysterics every time I made a forum bug report.  -You could get on and look once if you really wanted to.

[ninja'd] like that w/ ps4...

He openly supported teh troll, and he does, too, suck. Screw that guy.  He's never welcome, and that's a mighty short list of three five, counting two permas of people.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 01, 2018, 04:43:24 AM
As I've mentioned with you in private, I'm going to be dead in the water any day myself.  Most my access here is via phone these days with varying degrees of success there. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 04:56:10 AM
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50-sad-post...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 01, 2018, 04:58:34 AM
Note; the poison MP newb who was my first perma ever issued != people.  (Lori tells me that's the does-not-equal sign..)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2018, 05:16:29 AM
Solver had a look in here tonight and scolds me that allegedly, WPC has had no tech issues since the migration to Invision - and that only he had sufficient access to fix the login bug - so therefore it was Solver himself who did more than I ever did to kill WPC.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Lorizael on April 02, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Sigh. The civ community is a collection of scattered fiefs living in the ruins of the Roman empire.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2018, 02:06:03 PM
I don't disagree.

But I don't think it couldn't be fixed, and I don't think we need a Charlemagne w/ better long-range planning to do it.

It's not all Facebook and Civ5 sucked; we, more than anything, have the problem of a bunch of metaphorical cranky septuagenarians in charge w/ darns never given, all burned out and waiting to go be with Jesus, who surely runs fine Civ team demogames.  I'm the Last Owner Standing who's still deeply involved.

They'll pry CFC from Thunderfall's cold, dead hands someday, (cause he's GOT to be making a major supplement to his RL income from ads) but 'poly and WPC could be had for the asking from the right person.  Aeson and Solver have independently said so in public.

They need to be asked, and by deeply stubborn, persistent, hard-working types who Don't Need No Steenking Burnout...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 02, 2018, 11:31:43 PM
Well, I remember going to either 'Poly or WPC one time with a question. It was on how to get more than 7 factions. This was years ago....

I got a PM by an admin and/or moderator who had searched my name (green1) versus all known forums at the time and told me about certain mod policies/ forum drama and such... things I did not give two craps about. All I wanted was the answer to my question. I was a lurker.

I really thought searching my forum handle over 3 forums for a first post was a bit obsessive and not quite right. I don't think I ever posted there again. Maybe at one time they had folks evading bans or whatever or maybe they wanted to pull an Elitist Jerks type move and make sure I was not some poisonous newb...

But no excuse. That [poop] sucks.

Forums that act like that die. And, in my opinion, should. Nostalgia be damned.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
That was vyeh at CGN.  -Which went down completely last fall.  Gone.  You never said vyeh, but don't kid a kidder - it was about WPC, Dale and me.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 02, 2018, 11:43:17 PM
That was vyeh at CGN.  -Which went down completely last fall.  Gone.  You never said vyeh, but don't kid a kidder - it was about WPC, Dale and me.

Yes, it was vyeh. I am not a big fan of calling folks out. Thanks for reminding me which forum, as I tend to confuse the smaller boards.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 02, 2018, 11:47:47 PM
Not really calling out.  I don't bother to overthink it these days.  He graduated college long ago and vanished into the Real World.

-Harvard, at that.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 04, 2018, 08:34:48 PM
Say, I'm not all just gossip, bad-mouthing and bossy meddling at the other places in my interest in the history and health of the Greater Civ Fan Forum Community - I contacted buster (no relation) when he took CGN off the nets, to ask about getting the data to preserve the content as an archive - and I intended a much more thorough job than the Alpha.owo skeleton we host.  (I'd expected him to follow up, and then let it slip through the cracks, no doubt the low-energy side of my cycle.)

Solver found out from me last fall that CGN was down gone completely, and that led to me digging up an email addy, and he pinged buster, intending to content-block me.  Today, I was after him to follow up after months w/o answer -the community would be served by having all those years of content backup, no matter who hosts- and it ended up we BOTH emailed buster today with pitches for our individual sites hosting, surely tending to make him and any CGN database files he retains feel like the prettiest girl at the prom.

-I should do an impetuous quick follow-up, ('cause I really want to host the only forum I've ever been banned on) to remind him the WE already host a forum archive, Alpha.owo, such as it is, and ALREADY have a place set up for CGN here: http://alphacentauri2.info/ResourceCenter/index.html (http://alphacentauri2.info/ResourceCenter/index.html)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 04, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
If you host it, ask him to put a ad/link on his site, maybe in community or other places and point it to here, with a blurb about it....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 04, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
I actually have asked Solver just today to give me a credit and AC2 a backlink if he lands the files - I put him on the scent AND dug up buster's business email...

Not clear what you're suggesting, though.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 04, 2018, 09:49:46 PM
you hosting the archive, him having something on WPC that acknowledges it (article or something) with a perma link to it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 04, 2018, 09:53:15 PM
I imagine something like that happening everywhere, whoever lands the archive (which don't get you hopes up that buster didn't delete the database files when he finally took down the takedown notice and let the domain drop...)  I know Petek at CFC is very interested in that sort of stuff, and there's GOT to be SOMEone at 'Poly who'd care...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 04, 2018, 11:15:52 PM
OH, and fascinating thing I realized the other day after I'd just said the opposite in public - we've passed WPC for # of lurkers pretty handily, and thus surely, for SEO.
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:

[wrings hands evilly] YEESSSSSSS. ;lol
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 05, 2018, 12:09:39 AM
Well, I've identified one of the lurkers and aint too happy about it. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 02:25:28 AM
CFC is suddenly incredibly down.

A few had complained that the site was being slow, Petek confirmed and said TF was coming to look, and I wouldn't wonder if TF didn't have to reboot the server or something worse...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 02:36:49 AM
Ah.  At the homepage address, it says "Forum maintenance in progress..."
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 03:02:44 AM
;lol

(I just got MY FAVORITE SCREENIE EVAH! off the Wayback Machine...)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 03:19:52 AM
CFC is back up.

CORRECTION: I got onto the AC sub, where my bookmark is, but when I went up to the root:

"Forum maintenance in progress...

10 PM EST: We should be back online in an hour or two...
"

Hmm.  They may be most of the way there - I cntrlF5ed in AC, and it was still there; I clicked on an alert and got into the hisotry folder fine...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 05:52:29 AM
I wasn't able to check between 9:30 and 12:30, so I don't know just when, but CFC fixed now...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 06:13:59 AM
So, since forum gossip here, an announcement about something that's been following me around since early 2010, and the crap's unfair and annoying and I think has cost me at least one 'friendship' I'd cherished ---

Why Ali really left the community is a story I more-or-less know, but it's complicated and not my secrets to tell, and I've kept my mouth shut for over eight years, not told a single solitary soul online, ever, because I may NOT ethically spread what was going on in my own self defense.  Keeping people's secrets SUUUUUCKS!  -And apparently, nobody but me read Dale's OT post of early November 2011 stating that he was the admin she contacted to ask for a ban and told why, and saying unequivocally that I was clean.  -Certainly, the 'friend' I lost had completely forgotten he'd read it by late 2013.

I STILL get punished for doing the right thing and not violating her privacy defending myself, all these years later.



Geo, I'd appreciate you, in particular, acknowledging that you've read.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 05, 2018, 12:30:23 PM
I'm constantly amazed at your inability to let stuff go, and bring up things from the past to stir around. 

I'm not, however, sure or claiming in any way that my constant state of moving on is any more normal or healthy.  In fact, I'm probably more leaning toward the abby normal.  Just pointing out an area I really can't grasp. 

In fact, I've often wondered in recent years, with family deaths and whatnot that just don't hit me like everyone else, just how deep my anti-social tendencies run, and how close to sociopathic I might be.  And I find I might be down right scary without hEt.  She at least can get me to pretend a lot of the time. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 07:47:53 PM
That there's a good woman, very good for you, and note that I've said so before how well she suits you where she saw and loved it - and now I say it here where she probably won't see, too, because it's SO true...

Again, you ain't blowing smoke that you're the luckiest man alive - not because you suck, but because you probably would be living alone living hand to mouth and hating teh whole world -sucking hard, indeed- w/o Your Perfect Woman/Fit...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 08:49:45 PM
I did a follow-up to buster (no relation) today via a webmaster email to be sure of getting through, and altered the pitch based on better thinking while I was at it - since this seems of interest to a few, a CGN archive happening, just as well copy/paste:
Quote
From:  [real name & addy]
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:12 PM
To: hostmaster@[domain]
Subject: Looking for [real name]

Hello.  Whether or not the person reading this is [real name], I'm trying to establish contact and would appreciate any help...

I suggested to Solver yesterday that he look up to see if the CGN domain was still lapsed -he found that you had taken it back- and he' s willing to pay -I'm too cheap-  for the domain going forward if the files still exist and the archive is to happen so that it can be at the old address.

The best and obvious approach is for Solver and I to collaborate on the work and make the CGN archive a WPC-AC2 coproduction w/ extensive crosslinking from both places...  He does the drudge-work over my tech level and probably the hosting, I bring a seasoned artist's eye t any display issues, and a experienced forum manager's second opinion.  Solver's game, and so am I.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 05, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
;lol

(I just got MY FAVORITE SCREENIE EVAH! off the Wayback Machine...)
;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol
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I'm not telling what/why, 'cause it's cheap and low and petty of me, but I think the world could use more BU fifty-lol posts, and DO enjoy that I'm happy, please.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 06, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
AC2 was down most of the morning for me. Only just came back.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 06, 2018, 06:13:53 PM
...I didn't get that, but I've been pretty busy elsewhere and could possibly have missed it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on April 06, 2018, 10:27:19 PM
Huh? Wot?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 06, 2018, 10:51:44 PM
You said it to my face on the rock in the gorge.  There's a reason I said nothing.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Geo on April 06, 2018, 11:10:27 PM
If you say so. Not that I have a clear memory of our conversation on that rock.
Apologies if something I told you upfront caused pain.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 07, 2018, 12:00:31 AM
I don't think an apology is called for - I didn't correct you, did I?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 07, 2018, 05:46:28 AM
To do with nothing on this page - JEsus, the numbnutz you meet on the internet.  Idiot emotional children in middle age.  I got to sleep on it before I decide whether to stomp a fool or keep my boots clean is best for me.  I really hate to have a fool think he's won something.  Pissed.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 08, 2018, 05:03:31 AM
Eh - I think I got one last try at showing tha fool he wrong - then I wait a week and see if I still need to retaliate...



In more interesting news, I shot off a couple headhunting messages to persons I find excellent elsewhere.  Fools don't much know what-all price they pay fo' foolin'.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 11, 2018, 11:12:32 PM
https://www.civfanatics.com/ (https://www.civfanatics.com/)
HOUSTON, WE. HAVE. CFC. FRONT. PAGE!
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
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 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc:

I feel like a GOD!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 12, 2018, 11:40:02 AM
Y'all?  I need a favor.
https://www.civfanatics.com/ (https://www.civfanatics.com/)
HOUSTON, WE. HAVE. CFC. FRONT. PAGE!
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc:

I feel like a GOD!
-I suspect that if the Front Page posting generates no activity, they'll balk in two months at the next one.

I didn't put anyone up to it, but please go post there something/anything on-topic. https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/fusion-power-is-now-april-2018-smacx-game-of-the-month.630995/ (https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/fusion-power-is-now-april-2018-smacx-game-of-the-month.630995/)  -You can easily read and comment on the intro story -it's good- and please me twice over...  PLEASE?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 12, 2018, 04:24:16 PM
I don't think I remember my logon. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 12, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
My. Dear. God.  That's an old email address/password combo.  Unread PM from 2010.  It's been a while...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 12, 2018, 04:34:29 PM
There.  Hope you're happy. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 12, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
Let's find out - shall we?...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 12, 2018, 04:50:51 PM
I'm happy. ;nod
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 12, 2018, 07:43:27 PM
I did not even know CFC had a front page.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 12, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
I still don't know what they're even there for - a portal and to function as a sort of news site, of course - but 'Poly and WPC don't even have them anymore, and they're not missed even though I could have gotten the GotM promoted there, too.

I was still pursing it at CFC out of cussedness, more than utility...  That's another doggon windmill on my trophy wall, now, and one of the oldest longest-tilted-at...  I need to work out what a pride smilie would look like...  This (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2845.msg113361#msg113361), I think...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 12, 2018, 09:08:12 PM
I did not even know CFC had a front page.

they all do...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 12, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
Front pages are so every post don't go into the RSS feed.  Some places automagically share the front pages to social media, but that witchcraft eludes me. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 12, 2018, 09:43:13 PM
Me too - AC2 has FB integration, but the autopost thingy broke six or seven year ago...

We need it fixed or gone.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 12, 2018, 09:49:06 PM
It was always formatting on the social media that would get broken for me. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
...Four days.  FOUR badwording DAYS it took community parasite DanQ and his Spammycast to bump down promotion of actual gaming content on the only Front Page in the community worth being on.  Nobody's been able to promote anything else for years....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 16, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
...Four days.  FOUR badwording DAYS it took community parasite DanQ and his Spammycast to bump down promotion of actual gaming content on the only Front Page in the community worth being on.  Nobody's been able to promote anything else for years....

We bitter?

The only thing CFC is known for is that they have incredibly difficult Hall of Fame challenges some are into and a podcast that while pretty okay, would be better if put on YouTube.

That, and mods. But Steam workshop is putting the hurt on them. Steam makes mods just work. No messing around with stuff. Click.. and you are playing the mod. No mucking around figuring out what folder is what or editing obscure files.

Also, as much as I love me some SMAX, the game has not aged well. Better than some of the other games of the end-of DOS/ Pentium 1 era, but still. A lot of the people on CFC go for Civ6/5. The new shiny. Even then, I am seeing a lot more successful content for Europa Univeraslis rather than the Civ series on various media. Some are even saying Civ is "babyfied" compared to the supposed "grand strategy games" (that Paradox charges an arm and a leg for....)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2018, 07:48:55 PM
Bitter, I dunno - frustrated for years and years, definitely.  It's only TALK about gaming, not gaming itself, and you can't even have a conversation with a podcast - meanwhile, nobody listens to the damn things, and yet nobody else can promote actual gaming content.

I vote we take the Spammycast malignant tumor out back and shoot it in head, as evolution in action.  DanQ's never promoting here, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 16, 2018, 08:21:10 PM
It's only TALK about gaming, not gaming itself, and you can't even have a conversation with a podcast - meanwhile, nobody listens to the damn things, and yet nobody else can promote actual gaming content.

That's because if they did, it would not be a podcast or associated with a forum board.

Think TotalBiscuit. Dude makes enough for a nice house in North Carolina, plane tickets to multiple large gaming convention meccas a year, supports a wife and kids, and used to sponsor an E-sports team in South Korea with plane tickets around the world to various tournaments.

He started off doing podcasts. He even ran a station for gaming content revolving around gaming itself but with a focus on one game - World of Warcraft.

The problem?

Well, there's no money in podcasts with the notable exception of certain non profit organizations that use it for marketing to donors. (Planetary Radio from the Planetary Society lobbyist group come to mind.)

TB did not get himself out of working for Gamestop/ EB until he went to Youtube/Twitch AND diversified away from covering just one game/ genre of games. That, and a good voice, networking, and tons of sheer LUCK.

But, that may not be why the your dude does it. He may just be an audiophile who would do it if no one listened anyways.

Beside the point, though.

He probably is not covering SMAX too much because the game is friggin older than most of the newer players joining 4x gaming that actually have time to play 16 hour (or more) games. Outside a nostalgia piece or some "blast from the past" deal, not sure what else you can expect.

Podcasts were never about discussion anyways. It's like talk radio. Listening to someone talk on a more interesting topic while you do something not interesting.



Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2018, 08:43:48 PM
Yer partly talking past me, man.  I was GUEST on a Modcast eight years ago-killed at it- and have since been offered a steady gig on it as a host - don't care about whether Cancercast covers SMACX, only that it's a malignant growth on the butthole of the community.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 16, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Yer partly talking past me, man.  I was GUEST on a Modcast eight years ago-killed at it- and have since been offered a steady gig on it as a host - don't care about whether Cancercast covers SMACX, only that it's a malignant growth on the butthole of the community.

Was not aware.

So tell me. I have not listened to it for years. Thought it was okay, but not the Drunken Peasants Show of 4x gaming. Why is it cancer?

Do you think there is a market for better coverage on such topics?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2018, 09:05:27 PM
I think I'm about forums and conversation, and hate anything that interferes with that - there was my problem with Ete, in a nutshell; he wanted to do anything on the Wiki, GitHub, IRC, anywhere else but here it could be done.  I wouldn't have minded him -nearly as much- peeing constantly on all my bushes, if he hadn't undermined everything I'd given my life to do for years at every possible turn.  Greatest organizer I've ever seen besides me, but I'm definitely happier w/o his crap around.

-That was someone so productively energetic and  useful here I made him an admin; think about how I must feel about Cancercast stepping on everything I do to promote on other forums, being no part of the community in the first place, but a parasite and often in my way...


Here's the Modcast episode I was on... http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41 (http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41)  I was not in restrained form - and couldn't tell Maniac and Locutus' Dutch accents or young voices apart, and hope it didn't show...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 16, 2018, 09:21:35 PM
I think I'm about forums and conversation, and hate anything that interferes with that - there was my problem with Ete, in a nutshell; he wanted to do anything on the Wiki, GitHub, IRC, anywhere else it could be done.  I wouldn't have minded him -as much- peeing constantly on all my bushes, if he hadn't undermined everything I'd given my life to do for years at every possible turn.  Greatest organizer I've ever seen besides me, and happier w/o his crap around.

-That was someone so productively energetic and  useful here I made him an admin; think about how I must feel about Cancercast stepping on everything I do to promote on other forums, being no part of the community in the first place, but a parasite and often in my way...


Here's the Modcast episode I was on... [url]http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41[/url] ([url]http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41[/url])  I was not in restrained form - and could tell Maniac and Locutus' Dutch accents or young voices apart, and hope it didn't show...


Wow. "constantly peeing on allmy bushes, if he hadn't undermined everything I'd given my life to do for years at every possible turn." is pretty harsh. It's almost like that sounded like he took your girlfriend, emptied your bank account, then made you homeless while living with your old lady in your house kinda stuff.

I mean, wow....

You guys in 4xs.... much-too-serious sometimes. It's only a game. If they give you too much crap just remind them the time you let Kilk throw a featured mod with Pokemon peni creatures all over the front page of CFC. Either the best, unsung troll hero of the 4x forum pocket dimension, a sick pervo pedo-bait, or both!

I will listen to hear how the podcast was, though when I get in a place I can turn up audio. i will give you my thoughts then.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 16, 2018, 11:58:24 PM
They're MY bushes; step off challenging all the time if all you can do is challenge the old bull; you can't take 'im yet, BOY.  If I didn't treat this like a full-time job, there'd never been an AC2 alive.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 17, 2018, 01:09:18 AM
They're MY bushes; step off challenging all the time if all you can do is challenge the old bull; you can't take 'im yet, BOY.  If I didn't treat this like a full-time job, there'd never been an AC2 alive.

That's awesome. You are now unwittingly a museum keeper. Important job, though for a sec. Did you know the classic game Archon for the Commodore 64 would be LOST if it were not for hackers? Not that anyone plays it other than a flash site connected to a C-64 emulator... I digress..

I was making observations as to motivations of people...  I would have issues if someone did not tell me, too.

Not that I am overly concerned with your bushes.... I am flattered, though.

I say if I were you, screw em all. Go on your trip and be happy. If it does not make you happy, be done with it. Course, text does not inflect proper laughing hysterically at the ludicrousness of stuff sometimes.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 17, 2018, 01:23:02 AM
i am still waiting for a chance to hear you on the podcast.... I'm hoping you did not go all bittervet...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 17, 2018, 01:26:49 AM
Naw - I wish I had said "um" less, but a replay's just wrapped up, and I cracked wise a lot and didn't interrupt in excess...

Garret told DanQ the next day that I was a live one...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 17, 2018, 01:47:27 AM
didn't interrupt in excess...

There we go.

I understand.

They did not want a guest, but a color commentator.  An "old skool" dude not of the current crop adding color to these "new shinnies" but actually playing the new stuff would have been good radio. But, oh well.. you could do your own, you know. Maybe talk with others. Not everyone is Dale who will have you basically DO the graphics of some "ultra-awesome" mobile game then disappear. (Of coarse, if ninjas are after you or your insides are rotting and need god-doctor to live or real personal [poop] like being homeless, divorce, shitty styuff.. yes. It's a hobby, not a job... unless you pay the server bill... then nothing matters)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 03:25:19 AM
...Today, I've been re-reading our favorite gathering place to girldog (bdanv and I and others with access abused use of the private GotM team folder at WPC w/ a random thread in there to basically run the whole AC section w/o spending a lot of time in our inboxes) lo, eight years ago, about the final major campaign of the NerdwarsTM I was involved in (as in, it-was-aimed-at-me involved) entirely against my will for almost a year at that point - and MY GOD how could anyone BE so toxic, and harm the entire community SO badly -COUGHWikipediaCough- all ultimately because I one time went off-topic in an OTf thread to yell at my first Boy Wonder to edit a quote made of a swear by me before I could edit it out?

Really?  REALLY?

-Green, before you start, yes; I'm an 'internet is srious bidness' guy, and this is what I get for that - a year and a half of stalking, lies and harassment after I stopped -briefly- playing that pathetic little reindeer game.  I was just sitting in WPC AC doing my thing with GotMs and modding and recruiting -and conversation activity, yes, as if that's a bad thing and not a major part of what the online fan forum community is for- helping bdanv run the place with private advice and public citizen involvement in what-all a citizen can do to make the community excellent - and it truly bothers me that my reputation took any hits with anyone -none I know of stupid, some of whom seem sane- but it most assuredly did. -Here in the community where I've devoted my main time and enthusiasm -and I daresay formidable talent and work ethic- of my life for nine yearsDurn tootin' I take it srious...

:(


Here's the Modcast episode I was on... [url]http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41[/url] ([url]http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41[/url])  I was not in restrained form - and couldn't tell Maniac and Locutus' Dutch accents or young voices apart, and hope it didn't show...
Green?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 05:06:33 AM
Yessindeed BU, after listening.

"Non -practicing Troll"......
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 05:08:45 AM
You have become BitterVet.... embrace the TRUTH and become one!

But, man.. to be stalked...

it's like they say, we never get the stalkers we actually want...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 05:13:40 AM
Oh, I'd like to get the stalker in question into a discussion in person.  I'm old and have a gimpy right shoulder, but I bet he's either tiny, for all of being about 27 by now, or morbidly obese...

You've never indicated that my bitterness is at all questionable - and neither has anyone else...


Yessindeed BU, after listening.

"Non -practicing Troll"......
What?  I've got a troll soul, and have never claimed otherwise - you should have met my dad's dad; the man had the mental defect of not groking the very concept of mercy in his teasing, but whatever powered his mean streak worked just fine...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 05:21:26 AM
No...

Being a BitterVet is not questionable.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 05:25:12 AM
[shrugs] Maybe you've heard the rumors that I have my reasons for it - my own mean streak doesn't have a lot of stamina beyond loving to tease...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 05:36:43 AM
[shrugs] Maybe you've heard the rumors that I have my reasons for it - my own mean streak doesn't have a lot of stamina beyond loving to tease...

Well, maybe it is the whole "glory/ competitive" thing with these folks. A good modder for a hot game gets a little notoriety and e-honor. Some of them get dream jobs, since important people do lurk on CFC. But, that's all people see. The success stories of modders are few and far between. Kael only got the job at StarDock because he did not need the job. He was already a manager at a very well known and successful business and had his ducks in a row. He was not some butthurt average beer guzzling and pot smoking neckbeard that would not work well in an environment of ulra-lib IT. BUT - they think its, a numbers issue, not a culture one. There can only be ONE. So, like mud bugs in barrel, they sabotage each other. Being around the computer playing Civ 40 hours a week AND modding and not getting out is not good. It brings things like depression, sociopathy because these people are not people... just forum posts, and unwarranted self importance.

Meanwhile, the people that do hold the positions they want laugh at it all.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 01:08:36 PM
[shrugs] My scars manifest as some honestly-earned paranoia that does no good - but I paid some heavy dues early, and did need the experience for the people management I do now.

My very early brief-but-intense career as Internet Revolutionary was especially useful; when someone gets full of warranted self-importance -it happens- and tries to coerce me, I get mad like you're supposed to, but part of me laughs and laughs and laughs, and wants to go pester Solver on Skype and use terms like "cosmic justice".

-But I talked the last one down, and am glad to have his warrantedly-important contributions, and I couldn't have done it if I'd never Been That Guy...  It's like the way speaking troll as a native is endlessly useful in dealing with THAT brand of trouble-maker, provided the hostility isn't implacable.  I can usually work with anyone not motivated entirely by malice...

I used to be a troublemaker like that myself...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 02:47:51 PM
Only thing bad that happened to me online is I moderated a guild forum and was an officer for a guild in WoW back in the day. Was ranked in the top 100 worldwide guilds and a second tier raiding guild on a backwater server.

Got drunk as hell one day, and went the hell off at those arrogant account buying and gold buying people. I think they only kept me around so long because I was funny to listen to in chat after that.

But, I do not have any paranoia or ownership of anything.

You DO need to start up a rebel YT channel or podcast on 4xs, if you can get into the newer stuff. You did well on that podcast.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
Sir, I was a semi-pro improv entertainer/actor/comedian for years in the 90s - they paid me, though the money sucked.  Cracking wise, I totally got down. ;)  -Easier/better with the dynamic feedback of being able to hear the audience laugh, though.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 03:20:16 PM
-Mind you, I was nervous as hell doing that podcast - I had to download and figure out some tech to record my part, and internet privacy issues and all -the stalking was going on by then- and I only did it to promote the latest SMACX GotM - and then was really pissed that no one else on the team would take one for it...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 19, 2018, 04:05:49 PM
I would not worry about the stalkers.

Must be pretty bad if the only enjoyment you get out of life is following around some dude on the internet off some backwater niche forums.

I say bring it. Only time I would get a tad concerned would be if it was a group of very zealous people with networks and resources. Some of those folks really mess people over. Even then, if I am in the right it eventually solves itself if I don't act like them.

I would not have worried about promoting the mod. If it was good, listed, and the game still installed (remember... this is an old, old game. Can't expect much.) they might come.

You come to a point though with mods, though, if you do not keep up with the times. You lose installed base.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 04:18:52 PM
Pay attention, man -much serious harm managed to be done my reputation, which does hurt this here community now- but he's been gone off into whatever he's been soiling IRL for years - I just never have the extra time to take on a major knew thing when I'm energetic, and never the energy when I have time...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 19, 2018, 07:06:04 PM
CivPlayers is a podcast now - and THEY put out a new one yesterday, bumping our hard work down yet another spot on CFC's Front Page.

I won't cuss them - no many-years-of-cancerous-promo-spam clotting up the community, and I don't know that they're as exasperatingly prolific, but still, I sigh and feel frustrated, not being a fan of time energy and space being wasted on freakin' podcasts that could have gone to REAL content, and doesn't seem to boost the community...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 21, 2018, 11:03:18 AM
-And yesterday, yet another Cancercast spam, bumping the GotM down to fourth.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 21, 2018, 01:45:22 PM
Well, time moves on.

If you push content, you have to put out every week. You really don't like those guys for some reason.... But, you got to respect they put out content consistently. Something I could learn. Even if I maintain that their platform is not what I would do, they must get something out of it if they still do it after all these years.

Speaking of pushing out every week (but unrelated), are you familiar with Blender? I am currently researching replacing a video intro logo animation that just has a MSpaint logo then transformed to smaller with OpenShot's tools. Gets the job done, but looks kinda tacky. Using Blender, I could make it 3D, use a camera, and zoom out. But, I am finding the UI of Blender very obtuse.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 21, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
DanQ must have been the most liked person ever in the greater fan forum community, before my time when he was still part of it.  Otherwise, the free ride he STILL gets that's eternally in my way should have made him a pariah.  He bailed on Poly, he bailed on WPC, he'll find a better deal than CFC someday and bail on them too - but not keep the cancer on 2K forums or wherever he goes next.

SPAAAAAAM!
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 21, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
Do you blame him? Even if the podcast is just a hobby, he wants the place where he can get the most exposure.

WPC and Poly had a lot of the same people that CFC did. But CFC had those, plus many, many more. When someone gets a huge Civ bug, CFC is the place that pops up first in google. Plus, where else are you going to do it?

If, in theory, another site became prominent, he would go there if it had a better deal. No hard feelings. CFC would survive. They have the HoF competitions which is the closest thing the 4x genre has to an esport.



SPEAKING OF, why don't you go to r/Civ's discord? They have a place to post "other games" and people's content.  It is easy to get on. Go to r/ Civ and there is a button.



Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 12:06:23 AM
Why?  You talk the purest nonsense sometimes, I swear...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 22, 2018, 06:36:49 AM
I don't get your general beef with podcasts.

They are the way things are now.  That is all.  I've listened to very few outside of the olde timey radio play versions.  I've been on a precious few of DanQ's (asked many times to be a regular).  So, I don't enjoy them, but I certainly don't bemoan those who DO. 

I mean, I get the annoyance of being bumped down, but to discredit podcasts in general is rather disconnected with the current climate. 

One might argue an Alpha Centauri podcast might be JUST the thing to draw attention to GOTM style things.  Or, you know, perhaps a podcast is too much, but I'm sure Dan would be happy to let someone fill a segment or two.  (no experience with the other cast)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
Jesus.  I already filled up about page about this.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 22, 2018, 12:43:01 PM
And I haven't really been on for 3 days. 

And even if I were, wouldn't necessarily agree with whatever your reasoning was. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 01:28:24 PM
No, of course you wouldn't.

The podcasts are publicity-hungry is all, and I think it harms the community when they step on anyone getting the word out about an actual playable scenario.  There aren't a lot of square inches of promotional space left, and DanQ ---

-Look here at the Frog Pound's Civ5 https://www.weplayciv.com/forums/forum/3-civilization-v/ (https://www.weplayciv.com/forums/forum/3-civilization-v/) and count how many pages are almost exclusively CancerCast up to when they gave up on WPC after years of peeing on the corpse.  I'm a shameless promoter, no doubt, but Dan makes me look like a homebound soccer mom with crippling social  anxiety disorder.  Actually have a look at that sub at the link and scroll back at least ONE page, or please don't argue.  It's case closed on the Cancer.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 22, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
I see you forget I cannot access said page. 

The reverse is the podcast gives actual news to these websites, which are otherwise in general starved for showing that they are still a location to find news. 

And I'm semi-serious about making/joining a podcast.  It couldn't HURT anything. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 02:58:28 PM
You do the tech/organizing work, I got your back as a contributing host and promoting it.  Promise.

-You probably missed this two pages ago: http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41 (http://thepolycast.net/modcast/season3.php#mcepisode41)  -I guested on ModCast, early 2010.  I was "on" the right amount, I think, and Green says I did well - I have no judgment about my own voice, but I can crack wise with the best...  Garret liked it, too...



P.S.  That  civ5 folder runs between pages 1-6 before CancerCast spam is no longer the majority of posts, almost exclusive p.s 2-4 spanning three years.  Dan stopped bothering, end of 2015, or it'd be twice as bad...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 22, 2018, 03:08:16 PM
I see you forget I cannot access said page. 

The reverse is the podcast gives actual news to these websites, which are otherwise in general starved for showing that they are still a location to find news. 

And I'm semi-serious about making/joining a podcast.  It couldn't HURT anything.
;stupid
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 03:15:08 PM
;lol My buncle powers say we should try to recruit E_T...  He's a character...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 22, 2018, 03:46:23 PM
You can make "ET phone home" jokes.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 03:49:32 PM
JeSUS.  My first name and my last name are both begs for easy jokes, and that soured me forever on going for the super obvious stuff really young.

No, I'd crack about luring him onto the show with a trail of Reece's Pieces...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 22, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
Pfff. You're just gonna make your guests cry Uncle.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 22, 2018, 04:14:59 PM
 ;stupid
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 22, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
All this because some dude has a podcasting hobby and posts it every week on a forum board and AC2 makes a Game of the Month (that it has not done in a year or more), and it did not get the engagement you wanted.

Oh yeah, some people get into those podcasts. They play podcasts 24-7. They view it as talk radio that actually talks about things they like other than what some politician/ celebrity is or is not doing that has no bearing on their reality.

I posted a PM to BU, but here is Polycast's numbers at least on YouTube:

poly numbers 1
poly numbers 1
poly numbers
poly numbers

Now, yes:

- This is YouTube only. The vast majority of folks into podcast go directly to the site (CFC itself) rather than YouTube. Actual numbers could be 10 times this.
- Social Blade (the site these numbers are from) does not show audience retention. There is a possibility people searched on YouTube for Civ stuff, listened to it for 20 seconds, and cut it off because they did not like it.
- The "money earned" deal is irrelevant since YouTube has demonetized channels with less than 1000 subscribers a month or so back. Not to say he might have Patreon accounts, benefactors at CFC, or might get a free ride to another Firaxicon if they ever have another one. He may even get beta keys and such.  Nothing wrong with that. And, no. Pew Die Pie or even Quill18 he is not.
- He gets huge spikes of listeners right before and leading up to new Civ releases, but huge drop offs after the game hits. But that is because his content is on one thing. He rises and falls with the fortunes of the Civ franchise which is facing VERY STIFF competition lately from Paradox.

But still, 400 + subscribers and 50 views per episode plus on YT alone is pretty good for a small, niche hobby.

Respect.

Do you have that? 50 people looking forward to your content? That's just YouTube. Not that it matters or makes someone somehow better or worse. But, having appreciation and people that like your stuff really is nice.

Hate is not the answer. Learning what people might like, and evolving, is.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 05:46:07 PM
-People telling me I'm wrong to feel the way I feel need to check themselves...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 22, 2018, 06:02:13 PM
-People telling me I'm wrong to feel the way I feel need to check themselves...

I have. I am harsh on myself, believe me.

I will be the first to admit that while I may have a few ideas, I lack the tenacity of these people. Stuff always comes up and I have had issues with self discipline at times. But who can not improve?

It does not necessarily mean I like people that do. But I can respect that.

I like ya BU, that's the reason I took the time to post. Otherwise, I would have not shared it and did something better... like cleaning this house. Nor do I think you should be viewed in a bad light for feeling like that. It is a common trap to be in. Especially if you put a lot of work into stuff yourself.

I will post on this no further.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
It's not a damn trap.  He's in my damn way, and I GET to resent it.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 22, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
All this because some dude has a podcasting hobby and posts it every week on a forum board and AC2 makes a Game of the Month (that it has not done in a year or more), and it did not get the engagement you wanted.

Oh yeah, some people get into those podcasts. They play podcasts 24-7. They view it as talk radio that actually talks about things they like other than what some politician/ celebrity is or is not doing that has no bearing on their reality.

I posted a PM to BU, but here is Polycast's numbers at least on YouTube:

poly numbers 1
poly numbers 1
poly numbers
poly numbers

Now, yes:

- This is YouTube only. The vast majority of folks into podcast go directly to the site (CFC itself) rather than YouTube. Actual numbers could be 10 times this.
- Social Blade (the site these numbers are from) does not show audience retention. There is a possibility people searched on YouTube for Civ stuff, listened to it for 20 seconds, and cut it off because they did not like it.
- The "money earned" deal is irrelevant since YouTube has demonetized channels with less than 1000 subscribers a month or so back. Not to say he might have Patreon accounts, benefactors at CFC, or might get a free ride to another Firaxicon if they ever have another one. He may even get beta keys and such.  Nothing wrong with that. And, no. Pew Die Pie or even Quill18 he is not.
- He gets huge spikes of listeners right before and leading up to new Civ releases, but huge drop offs after the game hits. But that is because his content is on one thing. He rises and falls with the fortunes of the Civ franchise which is facing VERY STIFF competition lately from Paradox.

But still, 400 + subscribers and 50 views per episode plus on YT alone is pretty good for a small, niche hobby.

Respect.

Do you have that? 50 people looking forward to your content? That's just YouTube. Not that it matters or makes someone somehow better or worse. But, having appreciation and people that like your stuff really is nice.

Hate is not the answer. Learning what people might like, and evolving, is.

 ;stupid     

Note: you made it specific to me, so I'm tossing it back at you...   :P
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 06:22:26 PM
Y'all, bullcrap in RL, and now I'm officially pissed.  Time to shut the hell up, please.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 22, 2018, 07:07:35 PM
Don't you want us posting, though? ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 09:07:25 PM
Not to pile on telling me my feelings are wrong.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 22, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
You do the tech/organizing work, I got your back as a contributing host and promoting it.  Promise.


To paraphrase Mr Miyagi:

For you, podcast good idea.  For me, good idea no get involved. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 22, 2018, 11:41:57 PM
Not so good idea w/o sucker do all work.

You've surely seen my stock answer to any timesink that doesn't thrill me - five minutes into my high-energy mood phase, my plate fills to bursting, other half of the time, I get out of bed and post science articles, bored but barely able to manage that much.

I can always find a couple hours to record on a weekend a month, if somebody else does the real work running it.  I can be enough of a pill in wintertime usually, and probably make more sense.  But NO interest in being the sucker myself, and all this would be contingent on it inherently boosting AC2, if maybe not too blatantly, or I'm not in and it's got no support not welcome not allowed in my house.

Green, I'd ask you to take a run at being the sucker, if you weren't due to vanish for another year by mid-June...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 23, 2018, 03:23:03 AM
What work running it?

Even if you are running on an ancient Windows XP machine, you open up MS Voice Recorder, have a ten dollar skype mic, and record. Audiophobes turn up their nose, but the 10 dollar mic gets it done. Even then, Yeti mics are only around 100 and only hardcores laugh at those..

Boom... wmv file. Everything takes it.

You want fancy overlays like the "BU POWER" theme song power ballad leading into your epic greybeard wisdom, download something like Open Shot (free) - Import, drag down, merge, encode.. done. MP4 file. Everything takes it.

You then complete your plan for (evil) by uploading it where you like. Be it CFC, Reddit, AC2, Facebook, some person's hobby Discord, you name it. Unless it is frowned on in that community, of course. But there are some that don't mind.

If they are looking for stuff like that, they'll listen. If not, they won't.

And, you are right. I am not going to be the Snerdly to your Rush Limbaugh. Unless you pay me what Snerdly makes from Rush Limbaugh :D     ....but you could get someone much more motivated and talented, er, with more suckerish, er slave-y traits for that than me.


Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 03:41:11 AM
Who?

-I'm in if there's a sucker - and make no mistake; organizing people and topics and editing everyone's recordings together would take a sucker to do the timesink of making it any good.  But if it paid off in the long run as it blew up huge -I gots comedy stah powah- I wouldn't care about a cut as long as the promoting the fan forum community condition was met.  My performance and promotion alike are, neither one, trivial contributions to such a thing...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 23, 2018, 03:56:56 AM
Who?

Rush Limbaugh's AV guy is always called a Snerdley. Does not matter who does it. He's had many. It is always a Snerdley.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 03:59:43 AM
....but you could get someone much more motivated and talented, er, with more suckerish, er slave-y traits for that than me.
Who?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 23, 2018, 04:01:58 AM
Not so good idea w/o sucker do all work.

I'm saying let Dan be your sucker.  But if there's a personality problem there, then that may be insurmountable.  But a 5 minute segment about a game of the month or other project that comes up is not outside his ballpark, nor should it take too much effort on your part. 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 23, 2018, 04:02:01 AM
DanQ! ;lol

Edit: Uno beat me to it by a handful of seconds :(
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 04:25:20 AM
:mad: Nevah! :mad:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on April 23, 2018, 07:35:51 PM
You're loss (or is it that community that your trying to reach's loss?? )...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 08:04:27 PM
YOU do it, then.

-Still annoyed and feeling harassed...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 23, 2018, 09:03:50 PM
The skills needed, if someone could do it, why would they do it for you?

So you can be the mod and ride coat tails?

And why would you do it for a 20 year old game? How much can you realistically talk about? How many people even have this installed? How many people even care? But why just for you? There are Discords out there, Reddits, Twitch, Youtube... Forum boards are NOT the place as they once were and I really do not see them coming back.

Civ 6? Civ 6 and Rise and Fall may be commercial successes. But, the lack of a Hall of Fame mod to keep people from sending in save scums, AI problems, and competitors out there with a lot deeper "true grand strategy" games has Firaxis not doing as well as back in Civ 3/4 days.

Now, if we are talking a broad category like the nostalgia of  1990s to early 00s gaming, maybe. Even then, they would do it for themselves. Not so some dude can the big Community Janitor...err Manager. :D




Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 09:08:53 PM
[ahem]

I went beyond hinting at the top of the last page.  I am the opposite of interested in any part of this conversation unwelcome lecture unless somebody volunteers to be Sucker, and that goes for everyone.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 23, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
So any chance of new buster pics with this new family project going on?
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 10:10:31 PM
Buster's Daddy is being boring about it, as of when I said something made the mistake of asking about posting pics of her on the nets here when they moved back to America and I could take some recent ones.  -I didn't ask permission to make and use that new avatar, though, but I guess -although I have some recent-ish Buster handy- I have to honor otherwise.  -Imagine that 11 year-old pictured bumping 15 in June, a lot taller/skinnier, but that's still a fair likeness...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 23, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
Always wanted to ask, why center your identity around your being her uncle?

Not to cast judgement, of course. My niece is the only reason why I reopened contact with my family. Just can't wrap my head around basing my identity around it.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 23, 2018, 11:02:11 PM
Man, you have no idea how apt a question that is - I live HERE, online, and I kinda don't regard what's on my birth certificate as my real name anymore - I never much liked it, anyway.  No, on 12 March 2009, Apolyton wouldn't accept my former 'real name' as user ID, and you see the whim I had.

I believe you're quite a young man - and maybe age feeds a lot into it.  I was nearly 40 and childless w/ no prospects before I even became an uncle, and my heart was no longer my own forever - something about the hardwired urge to spawn, of course, and childless Mylochka is in the bag for the girl very nearly as much.

Uno understands completely, I'm totally confident; he's had three, not the sort voted most likely in High School, and he's as hopelessly besotted with his youngest, Talia -she a little honey- as a dad gets, though he doesn't make a big deal of it - but yo; he got to breed...

-So just a whim that got a lot invested into until I was married to it - and call it a comedy midlife crisis going nine years and counting for me... ;)
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Syn on April 24, 2018, 12:04:12 AM
Makes sense, I guess. My niece only just turned 8 and she was born a month before I dropped out of high school.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 24, 2018, 01:10:37 AM
I have a first cousin who was BORN an uncle - and I've told him how sullenly jealous I am; he always loved 'the grandchildren', his much-older brother's children near his age, one around six months older, but it was just always THERE for him, functionally cousins...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on April 24, 2018, 02:58:07 AM
Buster's Daddy is being boring about it, as of when I said something made the mistake of asking about posting pics of her on the nets here when they moved back to America and I could take some recent ones.  -I didn't ask permission to make and use that new avatar, though, but I guess -although I have some recent-ish Buster handy- I have to honor otherwise.  -Imagine that 11 year-old pictured bumping 15 in June, a lot taller/skinnier, but that's still a fair likeness...

I can understand. 

When we were doing that flat Talia project, I made some accounts some places online for her to play with and answer people's questions who were engaged with the project.

The creeps come out rather quickly and I was quite glad I had the presence of mind to have set it all up on my own dummy emails with none of her real info. 

Authorities in 2 countries have dummy accounts using some of her photos now...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 24, 2018, 03:25:53 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on April 27, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
Just two weeks and change, and we're bumped down to sixth place on that front page.  I never had any illusions that getting on there had any major fraction of the promotional value of just spamming the GotM link on Facebook -and I'd only been pursuing this out of habitual stubbornness- but my nose is well and truly rubbed in just how futile a prize this was to land...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Green1 on April 28, 2018, 03:46:28 AM
Well, you control the FB.

Your FB group does not have to support podcasts from two groups once a week. It only has AC2's content. Which is a good and bad thing.

Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on June 20, 2018, 04:58:29 PM
Seems like WPC is down at this time...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 20, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
I got same this morning.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on June 20, 2018, 06:43:59 PM
However, I just got in on trying again.
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Post by: Spacy on June 26, 2018, 05:19:31 PM
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/20051027201534/http://forums.mzocentral.net:80/index.php?showtopic=1700[/url] ([url]https://web.archive.org/web/20051027201534/http://forums.mzocentral.net:80/index.php?showtopic=1700[/url])


I miss the old MZO days.  Was a good group.
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 26, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Y'all?  I need a favor.
https://www.civfanatics.com/ (https://www.civfanatics.com/)
HOUSTON, WE. HAVE. CFC. FRONT. PAGE!
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc: :danc:
 :danc:

I feel like a GOD!
-I suspect that if the Front Page posting generates no activity, they'll balk in two months at the next one.

I didn't put anyone up to it, but please go post there something/anything on-topic. https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/fusion-power-is-now-april-2018-smacx-game-of-the-month.630995/ (https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/fusion-power-is-now-april-2018-smacx-game-of-the-month.630995/)  -You can easily read and comment on the intro story -it's good- and please me twice over...  PLEASE?

Done.  Wow, long long time since I logged in there....
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Spacy on June 26, 2018, 07:07:40 PM
So, summer break.  THe stuff I had planned for today fell apart (which I should have expected knowing who was involved, but didn't as I just didn't care enough to think ahead).  So, decided to catch up on forum spam that I only hit or miss for the 10 months of the year I am busy teaching.

BU - you make it sound like you're techno illiterate, but you and I both know that is far from true.  Might take a bit of effort, but please my man, we all know that to be a cop out and that you could easily get into it.  Just say that it isn't your thing and move on.  Peeps have said that they thought it might be good for the community, to have another way of bringing folks into the community and engaging them.  But, lets be honest - forums are a good way of communicating between folks, but are a dying breed as typing paragraphs went out when Twitter came in.  How many people under 25 have you seen posting on ANY forum anywhere?  I know of only 2, and they only posted on forums because the forums were guild specific for an online MMORPG and the other, older members, basically made them do so.  Forums seem to live and die on their content, which by the medium needs to be specific.  I don't see or know of any 4x general forums, as it would need to have a separate page for each game, and then sub pages for all the other things going on... and it would be too messy.  A forum for one guild, or one game, works because it is specific; but that leads to the aging problem.  When the game ages out, when the people age out (wife, kids, job, etc) than the forum is left behind with little purpose except to allow the peeps to keep in touch with each other.  Lets face it, Facebook, instagram, etc. are all better at letting folks keep in touch, as that is what they are made for.  Combining different methods and keeping it as a community is rough work.

The one thing specifically about podcasts like that are they are WAY TO LONG!  Seriously, I have far less important things to do, like listen to NPR, than waste an hour or two listening to people that are self aggrandizing themselves.  And that is what almost all of those podcasts are.  I was on one once - felt like I was on a stinkin radio show where if you didn't kiss butty, you got left behind... and low and behold I didn't and was cut out in the edits.  If you cannot say it in 5 minutes, than a podcast isn't the right medium. 

I do applaud the efforts of folks like BU however.  Running an online community really is a full time job.  And, as a person who DOESN'T really get paid for it, you do it for one reason and one reason only - you love it.  You have to put your heart and soul into this, else it wouldn't happen.  But, that also means that every little slight, every little burp, every little pin prick; is in truth a pin prick into your love and soul - and that hurts and sucks.  I know this first hand myself, as I have done it many times and I expect I will again soon (Fallout 76 = MMORPG). 

So, my purpose of rambling on is a) saying hi, b) trying to give the kudo's to BU for the work he does, c) trying to remind him that the burps and pin pricks are not intended as anything other than burps, and to try to remind himself of that and d) remind folks like BU that if your goal is to get more peeps involved in the community, than to keep that goal in mind and work and plan for making that happen.  Don't count on me much, though.  I am a flaky guy with a wife, kid and a job that for 10 months of the year sucks up about 60 hours per week, which doesn't leave me time for reading, let alone gaming.  :D 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: E_T on June 27, 2018, 02:41:33 AM
:stupid:
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 07, 2019, 06:02:04 PM
Looks like nobody paid the domain fee for CivPlayers: http://www.civplayers.com/ (http://www.civplayers.com/)

-which hasn't even been pretending to be a forum anymore for five years I know of.  If someone wants to go find their Facebook, it might prove educational in this matter...
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Unorthodox on February 07, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
Who?  And should I care? 
Title: Re: Forums Down, and Other Thrilling Things...
Post by: Buster's Uncle on February 07, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
A Civ MP community, allegedly still active on Facebook and in chat...