Alpha Centauri 2

Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri & Alien Crossfire => Command Nexus => Topic started by: roninscg on January 23, 2019, 05:17:58 PM

Title: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on January 23, 2019, 05:17:58 PM
 1vsv1 PBEM

1. Each of us plays 3 factions ( they can be the same)
2. one faction is aliens
3. Map - we'll talk about it
4. ruls - official forum and

Of course, we negotiate if there is a proposal for anything  :D

or
 1vs1 LAN (hamachi) game
Arrange for time and play one short game on a small map.







Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 18, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
I can't offer you a stellar turnover, but we can start something to kill time.
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 19, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
how does the proposal seem to you?
Some suggestions?

Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 21, 2019, 02:54:07 PM
At the moment, I can't think of any I would really insist on. It depends on how far you want to get with modifications. As far as I'm concerned, I would halve air unit movement or cut them out altogether. I'm not a fan of air units and crawlers. Do you have any preferences of your own?
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 22, 2019, 10:01:05 AM
I usually play with standard rules,
I'll let you decide for the air units, it's all the same for me.
im for crawlers, It's a quicker game.  :)

Map?
Can choose tech or not?
ramdom events?
spoils of war?
level of game?

Normal start?
 or
Colony pods at start? for me 2 to 4 is ok
Formers at start? for me 2 to 4 is ok
Scout Patrols (1-1-1) at start?  for me from 4 to 8 is ok

Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 22, 2019, 10:43:55 AM
Blind research works best, random events and spoils can be off, transcend is my go-to level.

We can start with 4 pods, 4 formers and 6 scout patrols. Let's have something to do at the beginning!

Do you want your factions to have contact since day 1 or do they have to meet in game?
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 22, 2019, 01:39:49 PM

Do you want your factions to have contact since day 1 or do they have to meet in game?

Yes,think It's better like that, Do you want to forbid some SP?

Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 22, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Hmm? :)
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 22, 2019, 01:42:59 PM
i edited message  :D
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 22, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
yeah, I'm not happy with the Empath Guild and CBA. I hope you don't mind, and if you do - we can keep them.

So, which factions do you prefer?
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 22, 2019, 09:10:35 PM
morgan  ;morgan;, uni  ;zak;, angel  ;roze;, or morgan  ;morgan;, hive  ;yang;, angel  ;roze;,

you?

we create ourselves?(you or me)

or we take CMN-man ?

and map size?
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 10:49:16 AM
Ok then,  since we're playing big guns, I can take Aki, Deirdre and Believers (against your Morgan, Uni and Angel).

When you said "it's better like that", you meant that we have contact since turn 1, didn't you? :)
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 11:10:57 AM
I took the liberty of creating a game, but without additional units (since we don't have a CMN).

It's my AKi, Dee and Miriam against your Morgan, Uni and Angel.

All map settings are average, blind research ON, spoils OFF, random events OFF.

I named the game "Civil War".

Pay attention to what techs you send between your factions, this is going to be important. And write down your password(s) somewhere. ;)
Title: Re: Someone to play 1vs1 game(PBEM OR LAN)
Post by: roninscg on February 23, 2019, 02:12:22 PM
Good luck and have fun,

Usually the game takes about 180 turns to finish it.  ;)

to   ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
Good luck and have fun, too.

Just to make sure - our factions can trade since the beginning, right? This means that the techs will come in much quicker. Wouldn't expect 180 turns, but we'll see. :)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 23, 2019, 04:18:32 PM
Good luck and have fun, too.

Just to make sure - our factions can trade since the beginning, right? This means that the techs will come in much quicker. Wouldn't expect 180 turns, but we'll see. :)

Yes,our factions can trade since the beginning.
 bitvin 80 and 180 turns
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 23, 2019, 04:19:01 PM
to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 04:48:57 PM
That is some tech juggling that we have to do. ;)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 04:49:39 PM
BTW, supply pods are restricted to landing sites. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 23, 2019, 06:25:16 PM
That is some tech juggling that we have to do. ;)

Of course, but you will see that it's not so easy to control the course of science  ;)

Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 06:54:36 PM
No, it's not so easy I'm afraid. :)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 23, 2019, 07:12:41 PM
to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 23, 2019, 08:16:34 PM
crap, I did lose the password for that other game.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 24, 2019, 09:55:25 AM
I see that you have found the solution for the lost pass  :)


and for our game:

I see you   ::)



Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 24, 2019, 11:10:11 AM
Just what are we going to do, buddy? Are we ready for such an early conflict?
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 24, 2019, 02:04:48 PM
Just what are we going to do, buddy? Are we ready for such an early conflict?

I am for it to continue like this, You have the advantage of me if you play properly  :)

I certainly have to defend myself, unless you withdraw.

to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 24, 2019, 02:53:45 PM
I have withdrawn and I'm not looking forward to fight, however you did push me out of a juicy nutrient tile... My heart is broken. I guess we need to establish our borders through fait accompli.

And I have offered you InfNet for your Biogenetics. But I'll have to reconsider if it's that useful to me. And what is your opinion?
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 24, 2019, 06:14:23 PM
I have withdrawn and I'm not looking forward to fight, however you did push me out of a juicy nutrient tile... My heart is broken. I guess we need to establish our borders through fait accompli.

I think you did it right, I'm glad for your decision,

P.S. I made a few mistakes, I hope I will not regret it later

And I have offered you InfNet for your Biogenetics. But I'll have to reconsider if it's that useful to me. And what is your opinion?

I already own it IN, sorry,  :)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 25, 2019, 10:40:12 AM
Yeah, I know now, I'm super rusty. Not only I forgot that you have IN from the Angels, but I also thought that Morgan starts with Biogenetics.  ::)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 25, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
is ok,  :D

Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 01:28:02 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
 :bike:
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 06:30:01 PM
:bike:

 :o  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 06:44:34 PM
 :salute:
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
Remember this is a game, and our goal is to have fun, so there's no hard feelings,


to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 07:48:46 PM
Yeah, I considered it an informal truce, my bad.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 09:38:10 PM
to  ;aki;
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
I guess that's it, I'd have to give up in one turn. There's no point in playing 2 factions vs. 3 since this early. This was what I thought to be a foundation for some kind of an uneasy truce between us and why I decided not to switch to 2-1-1 and end it quickly. I'm not sure what you expected here, but it looks like we'll just need to do a reload. You can even consider it a victory if, hm... if you are this kind of person.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 10:33:46 PM
i think is drow, ok?

I'm used to playing fast and I'm an attacker, I expected you to attack me, so I went in, and you surprised me positively when I saw you have farmers,later in the game I would definitely lose, You're growing faster than me

and I was fighting on another front  :) I fought with Yang, you would win definitly ater in the game,


 
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 26, 2019, 10:46:12 PM
if you want, you decide which turn we are returning, im for that and we go slowly
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 26, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
Why don't we start anew with 2 factions? It decreases the chance for awkward meetings like that and there's less tech juggling.

I'm a proactive player, too, but games which are over within 20 turns I wouldn' even call "fast". Hell, they're barely even "games". It's just a bad dice roll upon a random start, and the next time we should immediately restart or agree what to do.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 27, 2019, 04:40:17 PM
yes, I agree, you create, my faction uny and hive if is blinde resrche.

I realized that it is impossible to influence the course of the research,and possibly there is an error in the algorithm .
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 27, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
yes, I agree, you create, my faction uny and hive if is blinde resrche.

I realized that it is impossible to influence the course of the research,and possibly there is an error in the algorithm .

I'll do a game soon. What do you mean by the algorithm thing? Blind research is somewhat random, but you can manipulate it, especially with more factions than 1.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 27, 2019, 05:19:03 PM
yes, you can manipulate but partially, checked in our past game.

 I set the priority discipline of science, only one,and had two doctrines needed from a variety of fields to allow research of this science, but as I said, I have never succeeded in more attempts to explore that science for which everything was prepared, from the given priority scientific field. priority. Algoritam is guilty for it.



Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 01:07:05 PM
Against your Uni + Hive (a powerful combo!) I decided to check out how to energy-heavy will fare, so I took Aki and Morgan here.

The name is now "There Can Be Only Two". I wish you a good game and I hope you break a leg.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
yes, you can manipulate but partially, checked in our past game.

 I set the priority discipline of science, only one,and had two doctrines needed from a variety of fields to allow research of this science, but as I said, I have never succeeded in more attempts to explore that science for which everything was prepared, from the given priority scientific field. priority. Algoritam is guilty for it.

Yeah, it is randomized. When it comes to the actual availability of techs, I think it follows the pattern of direct research - you know how not all tech options are always available, right? So I think this is something similar. And the priority just gives you an edge in this discipline, it's never clear-cut. I don't know how it exactly works, I believe it's random, so rest assured that we'll both get hit by it. But I prefer blind over direct research hands down now.
Title: Re: Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 04:11:18 PM
Against your Uni + Hive (a powerful combo!) I decided to check out how to energy-heavy will fare, so I took Aki and Morgan here.

The name is now "There Can Be Only Two". I wish you a good game and I hope you break a leg.

You chose a very good combo, I'm probably losing  ;)


HF and GL


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 04:17:38 PM
I panicked! Both Zak and Hive are easily in the top tier of factions. Normally, I don't play the big guns.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 04:27:54 PM
i understand you and I would panic to play against myself  :P

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
and as I said this is just a game, Our goal is to have fun.

no hard feelings,  :)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 04:37:27 PM
J Christ dude, don't scare me! For a moment, I thought you pancaked again. If we meet too early, we discuss it like civilised people, OK?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 04:44:09 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 04:58:35 PM
Another turn I survived.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 05:48:16 PM
to  ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 06:02:55 PM
 ;realdog
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 06:18:07 PM
 ;lol
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 06:26:17 PM
 ;zak; ;yang;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 06:30:50 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 06:41:12 PM
*approaches slowly on a bike* Hey roninsg, why don't you rush your formers? Oh, that's right, you don't have any MONEY! *zooms off*  :bike:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 06:52:04 PM
i see you  ;)


just kidding  ;lol
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
as I said, you chose a very good combination
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
This is not funny, I'm scared!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
as I said, you chose a very good combination

Well, it's the best science guy and the second best builder (after Domai) vs. two very good science guys. I was thinking about Deedee, but thought she was too weak against your unholy alliance.

Seems we're afraid of each other about at the same level, although if your Hive meets any of my factions, I'm going down the drain.

Cheer up, both of us!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 07:18:27 PM
Believe it or not, I already started an offensive, ie a war with one fraction, not one of yours, generally I'm used to a quick game, while I think you prefer builders slowly game,



when we not play against each other, we could exchange experiences, tips ...
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 07:29:07 PM
Nah, I wouldn't consider myself a builder, I think a mixed approach is the way to go. There's only so much that you can achieve in the pre-navy or pre-air era.

I'm not above some skirmishes with 4-1-2, but a conflict when you have only 2-3 bases missed the entire point of SMAC, in my opinion. Strategy requires some infrastructure.

And if you like quickies, why not Sparta? I would obviously scale down my faction choice to keep the balance.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 07:34:35 PM
to  ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 08:07:38 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on February 28, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on February 28, 2019, 09:53:32 PM
Can't complain about the tech rate, but hell can I complain about the techs I get.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 01, 2019, 06:38:36 AM
Can't complain about the tech rate, but hell can I complain about the techs I get.

I figured out how it works in the previous game, randomized and first go with all the doctrines of the mark 1(c1,b1,d1,e1), and of course starts with priority given,

it means that if you have two of the science ready(C2,D2) needed for some science (B3) he will not surely study it, regardless of the fact that it was set as a priority science with B letter. first go with all mark 1 and next mark 2....


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 01, 2019, 09:49:58 AM
That can be a good intuition, but I couldn't even get to my priority discipline in many, many years. Oh well, our poor poor Kirov.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 01, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
to  ;morgan;

 ;)

I told you I m fast
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 01, 2019, 06:33:47 PM
Yeah, you're sure fast, although it spells very clearly on the board of your ship: "SLOW". So the highest chance is that you spawned on an island small enough to grant you a foil at the beginning. Are you OK there? ;)

Also, I needed to save the turn in order to discuss the further course of action. Are we at war automatically or do we, you know, talk? Because right now the best move at my disposal is to attack your unit. Do you want to negotiate its safe return onboard?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 01, 2019, 06:45:39 PM
It was just a joke, for now if you wana we have trust, you agree?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 01, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
Yeah, I was myself raising your joke - although I do wonder where you got that baby. But really chances are, you rolled a small island. But I see that you don't complain? You could have said that on turn 1 and I would have rerolled the map.

So just to make sure - I let that scout go and he comes back over to you ship on the next turn, right? No tricks?

I'm not saying I don't trust you... in fact, I trust you A LOT. I don't think I have ever trusted a person so much before. But, you know, just making sure...
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 01, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
This is freaking unbelievable. I think I got the tech priority I wanted only once so far. *sigh* But I'm sure that Progenitor Psych will come useful one day, knowledge is power.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 01, 2019, 10:46:30 PM
I retreated  8)

Yeah, I was myself raising your joke - although I do wonder where you got that baby. But really chances are, you rolled a small island. But I see that you don't complain? You could have said that on turn 1 and I would have rerolled the map.

So just to make sure - I let that scout go and he comes back over to you ship on the next turn, right? No tricks?

I'm not saying I don't trust you... in fact, I trust you A LOT. I don't think I have ever trusted a person so much before. But, you know, just making sure...

usually never complain,  :)


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 02, 2019, 12:44:53 PM
I retreated  8)

This game scares me!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 02, 2019, 02:03:11 PM
I forgot to ask, we 1. ban choppers
                           2. alove choppers above 4 atack
                           3. none of that  :)

and CBA and EM?


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 02, 2019, 03:49:38 PM
Yep, I recommend banning CBA and EG. As for the choppers - no attack above 4 will nerf them, but not eliminate them.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 02, 2019, 04:17:33 PM
Yep, I recommend banning CBA and EG. As for the choppers - no attack above 4 will nerf them, but not eliminate them.

ok, i agree
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 02, 2019, 05:57:25 PM
It turns out that we're ridiculously close, Morgan and Hive. And although I understand that you prefer quicker games, I also think that wars won with only scout patrols are not... fun. So, do we want to agree to some date until which we have no hostilities? It doesn't have to be much, may be 10 or 15 turns from now if you want. I just think it's better to play chess than checkers...
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 02, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
I answered in the game, i agree with you  :)


but I generally disagree with your opinion, it's all part of the strategy, the strategy started with the beginning of the game.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 02, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
I have already destroyed Domeia, but I think that is not turn on to not  restarts destroyed players.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 03, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
Sorry, for some reason I didn't click 'accept', I can do that next turn. I guess I was that surprised that you want to have a treaty with Morgan.  :P

Look, I'm not actually a builder and we don't have to wait and watch each other flash around fancy secret projects. I enjoy a good fight and especially before the air power era, so we can soon come at loggerheads - hell, maybe I'll be the one who starts it. What I'm trying to say is just... for example, if in this turn, my scout patrol teleported via a supply pod right to your HQ (thus eliminating your Hive and finishing the game), such a victory would be as satisfying as a sad handjob.

Usually this issue is solved by the CMN, it's standard to put the players so far away that a war before 2140 is virtually impossible. So if we start to jab each other "as late as" in 2130s, it's still the opposite of a "long-term builder game". Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 03, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
Sorry, for some reason I didn't click 'accept', I can do that next turn. I guess I was that surprised that you want to have a treaty with Morgan.  :P

Look, I'm not actually a builder and we don't have to wait and watch each other flash around fancy secret projects. I enjoy a good fight and especially before the air power era, so we can soon come at loggerheads - hell, maybe I'll be the one who starts it. What I'm trying to say is just... for example, if in this turn, my scout patrol teleported via a supply pod right to your HQ (thus eliminating your Hive and finishing the game), such a victory would be as satisfying as a sad handjob.

Usually this issue is solved by the CMN, it's standard to put the players so far away that a war before 2140 is virtually impossible. So if we start to jab each other "as late as" in 2130s, it's still the opposite of a "long-term builder game". Just my 2 cents.
ok, i understend
i think in treaty no surprise attack,

set a date that suits you, No attacks until that year  :)

the goal here is to have fun  :)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 03, 2019, 03:53:36 PM
So if I say 2130, this means that your transports get to my shore on 2129? :D OK, let's do it this way.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 03, 2019, 04:06:21 PM
So if I say 2130, this means that your transports get to my shore on 2129? :D OK, let's do it this way.
you're wrong,
I lost the element of surprise,  so there I do not intend to attack  :D ;) :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 03, 2019, 04:45:02 PM
You sure know how to put someone at ease.
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Post by: roninscg on March 03, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
 ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 03, 2019, 05:40:56 PM
So Zak is #1 in military? well well well
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Post by: roninscg on March 03, 2019, 06:09:01 PM
 ;)
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Post by: roninscg on March 03, 2019, 07:01:06 PM
and i think you win,
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Post by: Kirov on March 03, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
After all this time when I wanted to negotiate my surrender? :D

So tell me, how do your normal games look like? Let's say with three factions each? Because if you play 3 factions, one of them is bound to be super close to the enemy. So basically, you get 3 factions developing normally by some 2010-2015, at which point there's a contact and then your other 2 factions only work to send money and techs for the third one, which starts to churn out only combat units, ammirite? There's no way 2 factions can withstand 3, so eliminate just 1 as early as possible and you win. Do I get this picture right?
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 06:28:48 AM
 ;morgan;
After all this time when I wanted to negotiate my surrender? :D

So tell me, how do your normal games look like? Let's say with three factions each? Because if you play 3 factions, one of them is bound to be super close to the enemy. So basically, you get 3 factions developing normally by some 2010-2015, at which point there's a contact and then your other 2 factions only work to send money and techs for the third one, which starts to churn out only combat units, ammirite? There's no way 2 factions can withstand 3, so eliminate just 1 as early as possible and you win. Do I get this picture right?

thet is one of strategy scenario,  :)


Usually three vs three are playing on balanced map with CMN, so it can be difficult to play that way, while if the map is not balanced, then is another story.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
Yeah, a "quick game" under CMN-ed conditions and under randomized conditions means something completely different. We'd have no chance of meeting by this moment if we asked someone to create the game.
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
 ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
This game stresses me. Why don't we sign a pact of brotherhood and go for a cooperative victory?
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
This game stresses me. Why don't we sign a pact of brotherhood and go for a cooperative victory?

What do you have in mind? to continue like frendly cooperative  game?
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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 04:13:07 PM
Why not? Did you want to fight or something? Please don't attack me!!!
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 05:18:34 PM
ok
you send the proposal
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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 05:25:54 PM
And peace to you!
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 05:54:34 PM
"peace in our time" ?



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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 06:06:09 PM
 ;lol  Don't mind me, I'm just talking nonsense to kill time. Although I am scared and I do expect your invasion any moment now. But let's keep it interesting, I'm building up my defences already.
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 06:17:39 PM
;lol  Don't mind me, I'm just talking nonsense to kill time. Although I am scared and I do expect your invasion any moment now. But let's keep it interesting, I'm building up my defences already.

 ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol

but I really will not attack you for now  ;)
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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 06:43:15 PM
And I told you that I believe you.

Oh boy, that's a spike on the power graph. Did you get Domai's HQ? Do we say our farewell to him?
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 07:42:25 PM
And I told you that I believe you.

Oh boy, that's a spike on the power graph. Did you get Domai's HQ? Do we say our farewell to him?
I destroyed him long ago, but i think he is got another chance.


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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
Funny you should say that, I've just met him! And boy what he's saying about you.
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 08:27:21 PM

Tell him hello in my name, I have not seen him for a long time, we should drink some coffee  ;)   ::)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
We both agreed that you have too many citizens.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 08:54:22 PM
your  ;morgan; hawe nice land
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 09:37:29 PM
Yes, and as a matter of fact, I hate random maps for that. If you win, then it's a job done well, if I win, it's because I have the jungle. When we finish, I say we ask Mart for a decent map. ;)
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Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 09:44:45 PM
ok


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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 10:29:41 PM
Not bad. Not bad at all.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 04, 2019, 10:49:40 PM
 ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 04, 2019, 11:01:46 PM
So I was thinking how our "truce" has just ended, and I open my turn to see that I lost a combat... I've almost had a heart attack. Fortunately it wasn't you, just a mind worm ate my colony pod.
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Post by: roninscg on March 05, 2019, 03:24:16 PM
 ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol
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Post by: Kirov on March 05, 2019, 03:41:33 PM
Stupid game.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 05, 2019, 03:55:36 PM
problems with science?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 05, 2019, 04:08:55 PM
I'm doing fine, thanks, I just think you should have it worse. Nothing personal.

I'm away for a couple of hours, no hurry.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 05, 2019, 06:06:53 PM
 ;morgan;


you hawe a great advantage, I do not have luck with the doctrine b :)
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Post by: Kirov on March 05, 2019, 06:48:56 PM
Man, after CentEcon I had a ridiculously bad luck with tech choices. Usually my preference was the last to come and normally I can get to IA faster with one faction than I did with those two guys. But you know me - I never complain. :D
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 05, 2019, 08:30:42 PM
 ;morgan;

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Post by: Kirov on March 05, 2019, 08:49:45 PM
;morgan;


you hawe a great advantage, I do not have luck with the doctrine b :)

I was curious - which doctrine did you mean?
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Post by: roninscg on March 06, 2019, 08:01:55 AM
doctrina of air power
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Post by: roninscg on March 06, 2019, 08:02:36 AM
kidding


IA
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 06, 2019, 12:03:00 PM
Want to buy Air Power? I can sell you that. In fact, I have a whole bunch of invisible planes to sell.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 06, 2019, 10:51:14 PM
 ;morgan;
I'm sorry for the delay, real life
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Post by: Kirov on March 07, 2019, 09:48:55 AM
No worries, I was out in town myself.
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Post by: roninscg on March 07, 2019, 03:43:02 PM
 ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 07, 2019, 04:06:24 PM
So, when's the big attack?
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Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 07, 2019, 04:25:39 PM
And what about the Lal's science fair game?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 07, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
And what about the Lal's science fair game?

I forgot to send
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Post by: roninscg on March 07, 2019, 05:11:31 PM
 ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 07, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
 :danc:
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Post by: roninscg on March 07, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
no atack  ;)


I had to change the strategy
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Post by: Kirov on March 07, 2019, 06:08:36 PM
I'm too old for this hsit.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 07, 2019, 06:27:15 PM
I think you win as I've already told you,
and that's just because I have a problem to get IA .

I just do not understand how I manage to follow you on power graph?
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Post by: Kirov on March 07, 2019, 06:39:48 PM
You are indeed doing very well and I expect you to be a formidable enemy. And my Morgan slowed down his expansion a bit, expecting your imminent attack which looms just around the corner, doesn't it.

Consider this a warm-up, we'll have more fun on a balanced, CMN-ed map.

Don't forget to attach your turn!
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Post by: roninscg on March 08, 2019, 08:21:43 PM
 ;morgan;

Give me the secret of IA or I will attack you with my mighty army   :mad: :) ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
You're ahead in tech. I'm selling IA for your Doctrine:Initiative.
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Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
 ;morgan;
You're ahead in tech. I'm selling IA for your Doctrine:Initiative.

then i must attack you
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Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 05:44:36 PM
Ok, ok! I:A for your NLM?
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Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 06:23:53 PM
I forgot to mention - the HGP is poised for completion for the Cyborgs.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 07:21:25 PM
I do not own NLM  :)
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Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 07:40:39 PM
So what do you have that I don't? I've figured it has to be NLM.

And how did we let the AI fare so well? This game is full of surprises.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 08:25:58 PM
I sent you an offer in the game, for IA, 3 doktrins for IA
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 08:46:18 PM
I can honestly say, You are in great advantage now, As I told you, I have a very big problem with science,  :-\

It is literally luck in question, ie you're lucky
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 09:49:43 PM
OK, maybe we can discuss the game now, there's no fun in frustration.

I'd rather say that you're unlucky than I'm lucky. I had my share of ridiculously bad luck (got many unwanted techs before IA), but I was bound to get IA faster than you as I have 2 techie factions running Free Market since the day I discovered it. By looking at your proposal (which I have yet to think about), I see that you too have unnecessary techs and yes, that's bad luck. But there is one thing which depends on you - why don't you run FM with your Zak? I understand that you don't get the stuff you wanted, but frankly, against two FM-running energy-based factions, you're doing exceptionally great anyway. All things equal, you shouldn't be able to catch up, definitely not without FM. I'd say you should have only half my techs by now.

I can disclose that my Morgan has just lost another colony pod to a mind worm (and the pod was protected by a scout, which also died), so I have only 4 bases with the guy. Really the only saving grace for me is that Jungle (which I have yet to benefit from) and that IA edge, which grants me crawlers and possibly some Projects. But it's all the more reason to fear invasion, so I keep investing in the army for your attack which fails to materialize. :D

I'd say that I have paid for the IA advantage, especially due to the Free Market, which is pain in the ass in the early game. That's how I lost 2 colony pods and that's how I can't even kill worms for money. Early FM is a very costly business and I switched it to it solely to get those crawlers out in the field and hope for Projects. I accepted to watch mind worms raping my units specifically to have IA before you.

My suggestion: let's keep going and I strongly encourage you to switch to FM (only with Zak). We'll see how many early Projects I get and we'll soon decide whether the continued game is worth it or not. There's no point in a frustrated play, however we must make sure that we do everything we can do get that IA. I mean FM, priority choices and tech sharing between your factions.


I'm eager to know - what's your side of the story?
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Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 10:05:56 PM
for me is ok to continue, it was worth a try  ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol

thank you , on the conclusions and sumerisation
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Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
I allowed myself a reload on a stupid misclick due to mangled graphics - sometimes my SMAC is acting up (I can get a screenshot next time it happens).

And I forgot to ask - wouldn't you be interested in a competition in Games of the Month? Mart has always very good ideas for scenarios.
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Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 10:40:16 PM
I allowed myself a reload on a stupid misclick due to mangled graphics - sometimes my SMAC is acting up (I can get a screenshot next time it happens).

Not a problem  :)

And I forgot to ask - wouldn't you be interested in a competition in Games of the Month? Mart has always very good ideas for scenarios.

I might look, but I honestly do not know if I will participate.
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Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 11:00:05 PM
And to your godless duo
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 09, 2019, 11:28:10 PM
to wealth ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 09, 2019, 11:41:47 PM
 :wave:

hey, this emoticon sure has changed its meaning, hasn't it?

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 10, 2019, 12:11:57 AM
yes, but is beter emoticon on the bike  :)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 10, 2019, 12:38:56 AM
The VW is poised for completion for the Cyborgs. I sure hope I don't get them all, however this sounds. :D
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Post by: roninscg on March 10, 2019, 07:39:46 AM
to  ;morgan;
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Post by: Kirov on March 10, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
 :whip:
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Post by: roninscg on March 10, 2019, 07:49:49 PM
:whip:
;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol
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Post by: Kirov on March 10, 2019, 08:22:06 PM
 ;zak;
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Post by: roninscg on March 10, 2019, 08:45:57 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 10, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
I just have to get it out of my system - why is your Zak always wearing those 3D glasses? He's, like, an Avatar aficionado or something? Or does he wear them "ironically"?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 11, 2019, 06:16:20 PM
 ;morgan;

I just have to get it out of my system - why is your Zak always wearing those 3D glasses? He's, like, an Avatar aficionado or something? Or does he wear them "ironically"?

now I paid attention  ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol
that it looks like 3D glasses, old model
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Post by: Kirov on March 11, 2019, 07:11:41 PM
Looks, it pains me to say that, but the PTS is poised for completion for Morgan. This means that only WP remains on the list of Projects worth their salt, and I would finish it even if you stole the IA with your shiny pretty boat this turn - I have still several crawlers left.

What do you think? It's hard to play against WP, HGP, PTS and VW. I can sell you IA now, but it's kinda late-ish for any races (that was basically the idea).

We can play on as much as you want and hey, I'm not saying that I won the game or something. You can still surprise me in many ways, although I also have Attack 4 already prototyped, as you'll see with your cute Boaty McBoatface briskly sailing over there. So I can build up my defences on your front and basically let the Jungle and the PTS do their magic in the backyard.

Or we can ask Mart to prepare a map for us. Just to ensure proper spacing and no Jungle. Also, I think that we should either stick to 1 faction or go for direct research - any advantage with IA is now doubled as 2 team factions can quickly race for the Projects and get them all (as is happening now). I was also transferring cash to make it more effective. I mean, I really like the idea of 2v2, but some balancing is in order.
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Post by: roninscg on March 11, 2019, 07:23:21 PM
Looks, it pains me to say that, but the PTS is poised for completion for Morgan. This means that only WP remains on the list of Projects worth their salt, and I would finish it even if you stole the IA with your shiny pretty boat this turn - I have still several crawlers left.

What do you think? It's hard to play against WP, HGP, PTS and VW. I can sell you IA now, but it's kinda late-ish for any races (that was basically the idea).

We can play on as much as you want and hey, I'm not saying that I won the game or something. You can still surprise me in many ways, although I also have Attack 4 already prototyped, as you'll see with your cute Boaty McBoatface briskly sailing over there. So I can build up my defences on your front and basically let the Jungle and the PTS do their magic in the backyard.

Or we can ask Mart to prepare a map for us. Just to ensure proper spacing and no Jungle. Also, I think that we should either stick to 1 faction or go for direct research - any advantage with IA is now doubled as 2 team factions can quickly race for the Projects and get them all (as is happening now). I was also transferring cash to make it more effective. I mean, I really like the idea of 2v2, but some balancing is in order.

We continue to play, if you agree,

I want to try a few things,

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 11, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
You're one tough motherfalcon.

I'm away for a couple of hours, be back after midnight.
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Post by: roninscg on March 11, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
ok
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Post by: roninscg on March 11, 2019, 08:11:25 PM
L
Or we can ask Mart to prepare a map for us. Just to ensure proper spacing and no Jungle. Also, I think that we should either stick to 1 faction or go for direct research - any advantage with IA is now doubled as 2 team factions can quickly race for the Projects and get them all (as is happening now). I was also transferring cash to make it more effective. I mean, I really like the idea of 2v2, but some balancing is in order.

I think I will not play 1vs 1 anymore with blind research,


and I have a very interesting idea, deathmatch, 1vs1, two continents, on start we hawe all science, What do you think?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 11, 2019, 11:18:04 PM
You're on to something, I think blind research works great for games of 4, where 1) it levels the differences between good and bad players, 2) it forces different approach to techs - for example, you still want to buy crap, if only to prevent researching it on your own.

But I like how tech is a factor to consider (besides, with all techs, I imagine we'd only want to play Hive, Domai or Miriam). It's just... we all know exactly what we want up to IA, so we could really do without this beeline.

And hey, how robust is your little probe? he already killed two of my folks!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 12, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
And hey, how robust is your little probe? he already killed two of my folks!

hey, thet proba is on steroids  :D
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 12, 2019, 04:27:53 PM
Your probe is insist-y just hanging around my base, clearly overstaying his welcome. I heard this is now called 'to brexit'. As in, your probe is brexiting around my HQ'.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 14, 2019, 06:20:23 PM
ufff sory, for delay, I'm sending a later turn,


real life [poop]
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 14, 2019, 09:43:02 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 14, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
Your probe is insist-y just hanging around my base, clearly overstaying his welcome. I heard this is now called 'to brexit'. As in, your probe is brexiting around my HQ'.

I am in real life combat trainer  ;)

It is spartan.... proba  ;lol  :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 14, 2019, 10:34:25 PM
Congratulations on stealing the Industrial Automation! See, who needs research when you have neighbours.

This game can always wait, remember above all about your turn in the science exemplars!

Also, I'm away for the weekend, until Sunday.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 15, 2019, 06:19:58 AM


Also, I'm away for the weekend, until Sunday.

marathon? Good luck
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 15, 2019, 06:31:29 AM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 15, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
Yep, it's an orienteering marathon, thanks.

And the WP is poised for completion.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 15, 2019, 03:41:03 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 17, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
 :ches:
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Post by: roninscg on March 17, 2019, 04:48:44 PM
 ;lol ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 17, 2019, 05:23:53 PM
I have no idea how Deirdre surpasses both of us in pop count, especially given that she doesn't have the jungle. Maybe we just suck as players?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 18, 2019, 06:54:52 AM
yes, unusual.

We're probably suck  ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 18, 2019, 11:12:45 AM
If you had to choose between you and me in the general election, who would you vote for?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 18, 2019, 03:07:05 PM
 ;morgan;

it all depends on the situation  ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 18, 2019, 03:31:11 PM
Long live the King!  :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 18, 2019, 04:51:08 PM
 :P
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 18, 2019, 05:07:10 PM
 ;marr;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 18, 2019, 05:40:53 PM
Lal?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 18, 2019, 05:43:05 PM
yes, Lal is elected
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 18, 2019, 05:51:06 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Buster's Uncle on March 18, 2019, 05:59:52 PM
I believe your turn in Pravin Lal's Runner-up Science Fair Runoff is waiting...
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 18, 2019, 06:12:07 PM
Lal?

yeah, what a shame. A HtH and none of human players were even eligible (it was Dee vs Lal). A ridiculous situation.

And ronin, your luck this turn is just... God I'm rusty with SMAC.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 19, 2019, 07:09:20 AM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 19, 2019, 03:27:05 PM
Maybe we should unite against the AI or something. This is really too much.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 19, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
 ;morgan;


Maybe we should unite against the AI or something. This is really too much.

what exactly did you mean?

or or we can say that is draw game( I would won surely  ::) ) and start new
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 19, 2019, 10:24:55 PM
Nah, you're a sportsman type, I'm sure you'd hate to draw. ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 20, 2019, 06:23:28 AM
 ;morgan;

Nah, you're a sportsman type, I'm sure you'd hate to draw. ;)

 ;lol ;lol ;lol ;lol

at the end, we'll see  ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 20, 2019, 03:52:13 PM
I'm Jack's chronic shortage of cash.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 20, 2019, 06:01:33 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 21, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
 ;zak;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 21, 2019, 05:24:55 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 22, 2019, 01:12:14 AM
Hey man, I don't know if you're aware of this, but your unit is bombing my HQ. Can we... ask her not to?

Also, I'm leaving for the weekend again, be back with you on Sunday but I expect to be super tired and be no good with SMAC, so you probably don't want to take advantage of that.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 22, 2019, 06:17:16 AM
 ;morgan;

ok i stop  ;)

Also, I'm leaving for the weekend again, be back with you on Sunday but I expect to be super tired and be no good with SMAC, so you probably don't want to take advantage of that.

NP
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 22, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
I've managed to squeeze in the turn. Have a nice weekend!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 22, 2019, 05:08:49 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 24, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
 ;morganercise
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 24, 2019, 08:39:01 PM
 ;morgan;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 25, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
 ;cha;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 25, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
 ;marr; ;ulrik; ;roze; ;domai; ;aki; ;caretake; ;b; ;q; ;deidre; ;yang; ;zak; ;morgan; ;santi; ;miriam; ;lal;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 25, 2019, 05:38:01 PM
The Cloud-Base Academy is poised for completion.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 25, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
CBA??? is baned as I remember, or noth?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 25, 2019, 10:27:47 PM
CBA??? is baned as I remember, or noth?

Ha! I fooled you! The ban was only a ruse, I wanted the CBA for myself...

or just open your turn, maybe I exaggerated just a little bit.   :whistle:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 26, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
CBA??? is baned as I remember, or noth?

Ha! I fooled you! The ban was only a ruse, I wanted the CBA for myself...

or just open your turn, maybe I exaggerated just a little bit.   :whistle:

 ::)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 12:27:11 PM
The Cloning Vats...! Ok, ok.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 03:06:03 PM
(click to show/hide)

I think you're turn in the second game
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
What's with the spoiler bracket? I don't see anything there.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 04:06:10 PM
Only a real AC player can see spoiler  :P
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 04:22:48 PM
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c#)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 05:35:48 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
I hate war. All this death, suffering, traumas, I can't bring myself to watch it... Thank God we have vendettas instead.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
 :adore:
 ;st
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 07:05:50 PM
 ;lol
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 07:52:13 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 27, 2019, 08:12:54 PM
 ;b;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 27, 2019, 09:38:18 PM
 :clickme:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 28, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
I actually clicked the above and for a moment I felt very, very stupid.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 28, 2019, 03:26:45 PM
 ;morgan;


you and Domei ar friends?  :)

You are so good wit him that you will soon  assimilating him 

when you're planning to attack me?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 28, 2019, 04:01:32 PM
I would never even think about...! What a minute, that's an idea. :D

I'm assuming that you have Morgan's links. Yeah, Domai offered little resistance and as a result, I do have a few 6-1-2s to spare. What's more, my Aki has just researched D:AP and Morgan will prototype it asap. What's even more, Aki will complete the MCC in 2 turns and can afford running Labs at 100%, with expenses covered by Morgan.

We can play as long as you want and then start over with a CMN, Mart help us.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 28, 2019, 05:14:17 PM
ok, i wana try something.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 28, 2019, 05:44:16 PM
You're tough as nails, that I have to give you.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 28, 2019, 07:26:47 PM
 :)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 28, 2019, 10:44:23 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 29, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
 :danc:
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 29, 2019, 08:14:45 PM
I'm afraid the Hive HQ has fallen, my friend. But like you said - no hard feelings, right?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 29, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
 ;morgan;

handed over  the base? really?  :o
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on March 30, 2019, 12:44:13 PM
You are still standing, how come that you are still standing.  :o You're the Samuel L. Jackson of SMAC, you're one big mean MF. Now I'm feeling like one of those hapless goons who keep shooting at the Robocop and look at their guns with incredulity. And I promised to myself to never ever be such a guy. :D

Yeah, I gifted the base so that you won't gang probe it for techs. That Lal loves me now and hates your guts is only a nice bonus. But I have to admit, I did expect you to throw the towel (or "tap the mat", as we say it in PL, mat being the floor where fighting tournaments take place).

Now I'm looking forward to an even match with you, no Jungles and stuff like that, just our wits and lust for combat. There will be blood.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on March 31, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
Everything would be ok if only we could choose the science we are researching  :)

You are currently in great advantage as I have known at the beginning of game.
As far as I'm concerned, we can start a new game, if you agree?







Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 01, 2019, 12:15:18 PM
Sure, let's do that, with direct research this time. I imagine it will still be vital to grab early FM, but bad luck will be ruled out.

I'd like to ask Mart to prepare the game, but we need to agree on a few things first - do we play 1 or 2 factions each? I noticed an interesting side effect - with 2 factions, you don't want to commit atrocities. Not that I was ever thinking about doing so. :D

I really like the 2-faction setup, but with a CMN, I think all in all it's better to have just one faction with many starting colony pods and formers. Otherwise, we need to find well-balanced pairs of factions for each game. There was just no chance of Zak+Hive catching up technologically with Morgan+Aki.

I can agree to a smaller map if you want to. I'm all for early conflict, just not with our respective HQs being 4 tiles away from each other.

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 06:28:20 AM
we can go with two factions, but like this
first player Selects 1,4 and second player 2,3,
(but if you agree, I would allow to be chosen the same faction)
with CMN,he can modify veteran map if you agree or create new map for us. you choose?

starting colony p. from 1 to 4
            formers 1 to 4
            scaut p. 1 to 8
            special unit for faction 1
that is ok for me.

ban faction?
ban SP?
ban or limit unit?






Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 03, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
Well, the vet map is one idea, why not (I have played it only once, actually, and many years ago). I thought you'd like a smaller map for earlier contact, to which I would agree.

Let's make it an accelerated start with 4 colony pods and 4 formers (but let's remember that this changes the balance in favour of tech-impaired factions like Miriam).

What do you mean by "a special unit for faction 1"?

My tradition is to ban EG and CBA and I'm all about nerfing air power to the extent acceptable to you. I'll be honest with you - recently when I was playing Civ6, it dawned on me that I simply hate supply crawlers and air units in SMAC and I think they're the scourge of this game. I know people like them, but they're wrong. So think how much nerfing you can take and I'm for that (restricting attack on choppers to A4 is absolute minimum in my opinion).

Maybe instead of choosing factions, we can agree on balanced pairs? Like, maybe Zak+Hive would be equal to Aki+Drone.

This is what I think about all the factions:

http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2745.msg14547#msg14547 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2745.msg14547#msg14547)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 03:48:04 PM
if you want, we can play on vet maps deathmatch(all teach and rest is same)

in that case only strategy is crucial for wining.

What do you think?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 03:50:08 PM


What do you mean by "a special unit for faction 1"?


http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2745.msg14547#msg14547 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=2745.msg14547#msg14547)


I thought like angel proba, sparta rover etc......
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 03, 2019, 03:57:24 PM
if you want, we can play on vet maps deathmatch(all teach and rest is same)

in that case only strategy is crucial for wining.

What do you think?

You can convince me to your preferred option, I'm open to suggestions. A deatchmatch is like we have the same faction? Or a faction with no profile? Maybe we can do it after we do a real 2v2.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 06:33:17 PM
vet map, CMN erese midle island,
 we choose between the two upper or lower islands and we choose fractions.
We have all science discovered from beginning.

and


war can start  ;lol

ie

deathmatch


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 06:34:04 PM
I think it would be very interesting.

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 03, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
and we can play simultaneously two games,

one normal and one like this
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 03, 2019, 06:45:32 PM
You had me at deathmatch
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 04, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
So we have all the techs and energy is useful only for money? Guess that means a bump to factions like Sparta or Miriam. I can take Sparta as one of my factions just to see what happens (her -1 IND still sucks, but let's give her a try)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 04, 2019, 12:07:47 PM
So we have all the techs ...
I played a game like this once.
What you do is design a copter with best weapon/nerve gas in turn 1. build it and send towards enemy, it will probably attack with damage 40% from travel, but it should be enough to destroy all the bases (2 normally when playing with 2 colony pods). My game lasted like 4 turns?

Have I played it with you Kirov? And you were faster?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 04, 2019, 02:57:38 PM
Nope, I can't recall it and I've never played it. But now that you say that, it does seem like the only possible option to do. Roninscg, what do you think? We either scrap this idea altogether or come up with house rules to go around this issue.

And this is what I mean that air power ruins this game.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 04, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
So we have all the techs ...
I played a game like this once.
What you do is design a copter with best weapon/nerve gas in turn 1. build it and send towards enemy, it will probably attack with damage 40% from travel, but it should be enough to destroy all the bases (2 normally when playing with 2 colony pods). My game lasted like 4 turns?

Have I played it with you Kirov? And you were faster?

vet map is big, it will not reach the base copter and you have AAA trops also
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 04, 2019, 05:11:12 PM
Honestly in this game, something else would be a problem for me  ;)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 05, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
to summarize:
map veteran modifided ( eresed central island)
2 vs 2 faction?
all science
energy ? im for 1000 or 2000
colony pods 4 per faction
formers 4
s.patrol 8
ban EG and CBA
restricting attack on choppers to A4?

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 05, 2019, 09:19:20 PM
I'll reply tomorrow late or on Sunday, I have a run tomorrow.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 08, 2019, 03:04:17 PM
Everything is fine by me. One more question - do we take AI?

It seems that what we're left here is picking factions. I'm concerned that one of us will end up with both Hive and Domai. How do you want to go about it? One of them is an obvious choice and I'm looking for uses of other factions, too.

Do we have any incentive not to prototype the quantum planet buster and be the first to use it? I'm worried that 'all tech' scenarios will inevitably end like this.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 08, 2019, 04:12:13 PM
quantum planet buster ban, ok?


I prefer hive, if is ok for you i teke
and it does not matter i knowe Domei is better,
or we take same faction, for me is ok and that

you wana ban som faction?




Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 08, 2019, 04:29:27 PM
So do we ban all PB or jus the best one? It's actually called 'singularity', but it's been ages since I played the late game.

I still need to think about faction choices. That tech thing changes so much!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 08, 2019, 04:55:22 PM
yes all PB, is beter like that
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 09, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
And do you think about victory conditions? Is it only domination? Obviously we need to rule out transcendence, and I can imagine some tricky ways to grab the diplomatic or the economic victory early on.

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 10, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
only domination

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 10, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
Ok, the obvious choice for me is Domai+Miriam, but I'm worried that it can be too strong. What's your addition to Yang and what do you think about the balance of those pairs? I can downgrade if needed. We play the big guns, but I wouldn't mind a game like Santiago+Lal vs Miriam+Roze.

Damn, this all-tech setup changes soo much. I'm not sure that I get to like it, but let's give it a try.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 11, 2019, 02:05:46 PM
and I'm away for the weekend.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 12, 2019, 06:31:23 AM
Hive and Spartans probably or Hive and  ;deidre; or  ;yang; and  ;ulrik;

I have to think about it



What do you think about we not choosing a hive and a dome? or we chose like this

 ;caretake; ;caretake; vs  ;marr; ;marr;
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 12, 2019, 10:46:32 AM
OK, I'm for that, good factions are entry-level (but the same applies to the aliens, too;).

In that case, I can take Miriam and Roze - I see this doesn't spoil your faction selection.

If you're fine with that and ready to pick your own ones, you can start nagging Mart about the map. I'm back on Sunday.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
im thinking to chose  ;marr; and  ;santi;

or

 ;yang;and  ;santi;




Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 04:08:15 PM
Hm, I don't know if the aliens wouldn't disrupt the balance...

What do you say for this - my Miriam and Roze against your Yang and Santi?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
ok, lets start
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 05:13:59 PM
to summarize:
map veteran modifided ( eresed central island)
2 vs 2 faction
kirov  ;miriam; and   ;roze;
roninscg  ;yang; and  ;santi;
all science
energy ? im for 1000 or 2000
colony pods 4 per faction
formers 4
s.patrol 8
ban EG and CBA
restricting attack on choppers to A4

Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 05:14:03 PM
Ok, so I think we have the setup:

Miriam and Roze vs. Yang and Santiago

Victory Conditions - only Conquest (co-op enabled)

At the start:
all techs
2000 EC
Colony Pods - 4
Formers - 4
Scout Patrols - 8

House rules:
No EG
No CBA
No Attack>4 on choppers

I gather that the vets map is played without the AI?


Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
:D Ok, we can go to Mart now.

EDIT: I just did exactly that.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
yes  :)



and

no use of planet buster
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 05:50:32 PM
No use of planet busters, how could that possibly slip my mind
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 16, 2019, 06:30:36 PM
How about patch?
- Yitzi, recent 3.5d
- scient 1.0, or any other, that will work with official Firaxis exe.


The central island:
- remove completely, and make deep ocean
- remove completely, make shallow ocean, that would have bonus resources, etc.
- leave some land without Monsoon Jungle
- just remove only Monsoon Jungle


Any take on these 4 choices? I thought to make the first one, but maybe you would prefer some other?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 06:33:29 PM
- Yitzi, recent 3.5d

The central island:
- remove completely, and make deep ocean


Kirov?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 16, 2019, 06:36:55 PM
And another question.

I will not place any AI, but since we have 2 factions, the order of play may be in more than one way:

A)
Player 1
Player 2
Player 1
Player 2

B)[/size
Player 1
Player 2
Player 2
Player 1

I thought these two choices maybe.

And who would be the first player?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
Ok, I agree, let's make an abyss. Can I take a look at the map later? It's been ages since I've seen the vets map and I don't even remember the island.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 16, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
The map in Downloads:
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=24 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=24)
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
And another question.


I will not place any AI, but since we have 2 factions, the order of play may be in more than one way:

To save time, let's make it in pairs - two by ronin followed by two mine
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 07:40:08 PM
And another question.


I will not place any AI, but since we have 2 factions, the order of play may be in more than one way:

To save time, let's make it in pairs - two by ronin followed by two mine


i agree
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 16, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
I will setup left side for roninscg and right side for Kirov.
Unless, you would prefer upper-down setup?
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: roninscg on April 16, 2019, 09:28:58 PM
for me is ok like that
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on April 16, 2019, 10:41:28 PM
Yep, any stuff we didn't negotiate will be up to you, Mart.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on April 28, 2019, 09:37:36 PM
I am preparing scenario, but it behaves somewhat strange, and I do not know why. Is it some glitch in Yitzi patch, or something else.
Possibly I will have it today, SMACX was like that, especially in scenario editor.
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Kirov on May 01, 2019, 12:17:03 PM
Thanks Mart, the latest Yitzis indeed worked funny, there were some unintended results.

Did you see your latest turn at that science fair game? It seems so unusual for you to delay your turn like that.

And Happy Labour Day, guys!
Title: Re: "There Can Be Only Two" ex Civil War Kirov VS Roninscg
Post by: Mart on May 12, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
The game is started, the first turn is attached in TTT thread:
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=21266.0 (http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?topic=21266.0)


Luckily everything will be working ok.


So the problems seem to be to my computer and just something I apparently done just this time or forgot about it.
One thing, I had scroll lock enabled and scenario editor just without warning works in terrain edit mode. instead of right click menu, one gets terrain modified.
And then, if the faction enabled in scenario is not the first one, that previous cannot be selected in game start. For a moment I thought it's a bug, but it is really nothing serious, one just needs to set the first faction as player's one. But for some time I did not know what happend to the Hive.


So Yitzi patch is ok.