I had to go tell Mylochka about that caption.
One of the thing, that is very interesting to me, is that according to Bible, people were living around 900 years before the flood. And when I read or listen to the reasoning, it all make sense. The thing is, that we do not really know what the Biblical Deluge was. Creationists have a theory and it is very realistic. And I will tell one more thing. In my opinion, we approach technological development when our civilization could reverse the flood. And then, it might be possible, that human life span would return to 900 years. Sounds impossible? Not for me anymore.
Believe it or not, some creationists play 4x games and read the forums.
No, I ran and told her before I finished posting the article. ;)I had to go tell Mylochka about that caption.
That took you 3 hours? (the time between yout two posts in this thread) ;)
Believe it or not, some creationists play 4x games and read the forums.
Well, I guess they view the news, discovery channel, and other results of scientific wonders as well. :dunno:
Would you agree, then, that a matter of religious faith has no place being taught in a classroom run by the government?Yes, I do agree with that as stated.
Believe it or not, some creationists play 4x games and read the forums.
Would you agree, then, that a matter of religious faith has no place being taught in a classroom run by the government?Yes, I do agree with that as stated.
Also the reverse: The government has no place dictating the curriculum in a classroom that receives no government funding.
Agreed with both, and I'd add a third part: If there is the demand for it, there should be schools with classes that teach religious faith (and are not funded by the government) and classes that are funded by the government (and teach nonreligious subjects.) After all, why should taxpayers who need to give their kids a religious education be unable to benefit from school taxes on the nonreligious subjects?
Agreed with both, and I'd add a third part: If there is the demand for it, there should be schools with classes that teach religious faith (and are not funded by the government) and classes that are funded by the government (and teach nonreligious subjects.) After all, why should taxpayers who need to give their kids a religious education be unable to benefit from school taxes on the nonreligious subjects?
The problem may be that the religiously minded parents don't really want their children to hear 'scientific' lectures?
Well, Yitzi has it exactly right, even if you have some reason to disbelieve evolution; learn the science at school - arrange for religious instruction privately.
We don’t begrudge others their right to their Christian faith. But that’s why the separation of church and state is so important: It gives us all the breathing room and freedom to believe what we want to believe and to practice those beliefs without undue influence or interference by the government. Forcing your beliefs on another is not freedom; it is oppression.
And when official religious practices are this rampant and pervasive, like they are in Sabine Parish public schools, it is tantamount to religious discrimination. It excludes children and families of minority faiths and beliefs and creates a hostile environment for them. It undermines everyone’s religious freedom. I see that now.
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Well, this is definitely the internet.
The internet - where bright people, who really ought to know better, all too frequently conflate disagreement with lies and demand apologies. Happens often wherever us nerdz chat online, and you come irritatingly close to doing both.
(No fault of yours, but those are buttons of mine.)
Were you making an argument from fairness before? I was asserting that my faith (and therefore, the education of my children in that regard) is my responsibility, (and not The Man's) - the two positions strike me as not being miles apart, ultimately.
Sometimes, I just don't feel like getting into it. A simple request for reaction ("Nothing to say to my last?") would have been more polite.
But private schools are just that - seems to complicate things unnecessarily to combine the three Rs with religious instruction, and expect any subsidy...
No, the problem is that some people want to run sunday school and real school together. The latter is for everyone, rendering a mixing of the two redundant.
Creationist Tall Tales on Human Tails
The Daily Beast
By Karl W. Giberson 19 hours ago
The atheists (ones with actual sense) are here and will "educate them" through the courts. I am a card carrying member of a major atheist group here and they will have to relent on this pushing religion on young kids who are too young to make a good decision on this. In the US, separation of church and state is not just a good idea, it is the law of the land. If someone wants to brainwash their kid, there are numerous private schools and churches on every corner in the river parishes. Not on my tax dollar.
That said, I do believe the Bible, or any other "holy" book for that matter does have a place in the classroom. I think it would go well right alongside Beowulf, Gilgamesh, and the Greek myths as fiction.
How about a compromise. Churches do have a place. Not in the job or in a school. But there is a need for a place for folks of like minds to gather. How about you take out all the mythology legend stuff and just have a place to meet, get married, and network. Sounds like Unitarian Universalism to me or the Atheist church this guy is setting up in Lake Charles, LA.
How can lack of religion be a religion?
You teach the Bible, Koran, etc as literature.
We teach it, but it is understood that these beings are not real. YHWH is the same deal. You do not say it, but it is understood. There is no need to. The student makes up their own mind about it.
We need more people like us, Yitzi.
America should not be a theocracy.
Bible as State Book bill withdrawn
by marsha shuler
mshuler@theadvocate.com
April 22, 2014
15 Comments
State Rep. Thomas Carmody Jr. pulled from consideration Monday evening a proposal to make the Holy Bible the official state book.
Carmody, R-Shreveport, told the Louisiana House he did not want the legislation to be a distraction from other important issues warranting legislators’ attention. The Legislature hasn’t tackled the state budget, resolved the controversy over Common Core or completed legislation addressing lawsuits over the cause of wetlands loss.
In a short speech, Carmody said House Bill 503, which was pending a vote by the full House, “causes some constitutional problems.” He “returned the bill to the calendar” and said it would sit there until the session ends June 2.
As Carmody returned to his desk, several legislators made a bee-line over to thank him.
Legislators still can focus on naming the mayhaw fruit tree as the official state fruit tree.
That proposal — Senate Bill 206 — has made it through the state Senate and is awaiting a House committee hearing.
Louisiana already has a number of official state symbols.
The brown pelican is the state bird. The Catahoula is the state dog. The official state flag can be found on pages 146 and 147 of “The Flag Book of the United States” by Whitney Smith.
Carmody’s HB503 had cleared a Louisiana House committee even as opponents predicted it would provoke a lawsuit.
“If you adopt the Bible as the official state book, you also adopt Christianity as the state religion,” argued state Rep. Wesley Bishop, D-New Orleans, a lawyer and preacher’s son. Establishing a state religion is specifically prohibited in the U.S. Constitution.
Carmody said the Holy Bible was appropriate for a state with strong religious ties.
The legislation also “recognized and acknowledged” the state motto as found in the state pledge of allegiance: “A state, under God, united in purpose and ideals, confident that justice shall prevail for all of those abiding here.”
Making the Bible the official state book quickly became the subject of dozens of editorials, commentaries, national news stories and late-night comics’ fodder. The House Municipal Parochial and Cultural Affairs Committee voted 8-5 for the measure earlier this month.
Carmody told his House colleagues that the measure, House Bill 503, started out on behalf of a constituent who wanted a specific Holy Bible named as the official state book.
The book suggested was the Holy Bible, published by Johannes Prevel, which is the oldest edition of the Holy Bible in the Louisiana State Museum system. The idea was for it to be used on special occasions, such officials’ swearing in ceremonies.
A totally different version of the bill developed during lengthy committee debate, changing the one specific Bible to encompass much more.
Representatives said the Bible that Carmody chose was a King James version. That version of the Bible, which is often used by Protestants, doesn’t include parts familiar to other denominations, such as Catholic or Orthodox churches. The committee amended HB503.
But the version still didn’t suit some committee members who said it was offensive because it did not recognize the religions of all Louisiana residents. They said all books of faith should be swept in including the Torah and Quran.
Carmody said he had discussed the revamped bill with the constituent who had sought the state book legislation before he pulled the plug on it.
He said he took the step so legislators can “focus on things more important.”
America should not be a theocracy.
Actually, we are.
Plus, I am a Unitarian Universalist.
Speaking of Louisiana and theocracy, we just defeated something that boggles the mind. they wanted to make the Bible the "state book"!!!