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Thue posted 12-07-98 04:48 PM ET
notice in the describtion of Zakharov it say's:
"The substructure of the universe regresses infinitely towards smaller and smaller components. Behind atoms we find electrons, and behind electrons quarks..
in short: electrons are NOT made of quarks; protons and neutrons are.
another thing: The story don't seem to take place in zero-G ; It doesn't have any consequences for the actions of the characters at all. I'm not impressed!
Imran Siddiqui posted 12-07-98 04:54 PM ET
Actually, electrons are made of quarks, IIRC.
Imran Siddiqui
Spoe posted 12-07-98 05:04 PM ET
Yeah, I noticed the bit about the electrons.
As to the other, it was IIRC, discussed at length on the old forums. Some sort of "gravity" is obvious from episode 28(
"'You must practice for ten thousand hours, and then practice ten thousand more. And make sure every move is correct. Or, perhaps fight in zero-g.'
Another ensign, with thick dark brows and an urgent demeanor, waved a touchstylus. 'Say, how do you fight in zero-g? Can your techniques be extrapolated to a zero-g environment?'
'Zero-g is like fighting on the ground, but you can fall in any direction,' Sheng-ji answered lightly, and then picked up a towel and began padding his neck and arms. 'Session over. Practice the coiling motion for next time. Ten thousand hours.' They laughed politely and started to break up, talking among themselves."). Now, since most of the stories have occured _not_ under acceleration, I'd have to assume a spin for "gravity", though we've not seen explicit reference to the consequences of this, either.
Spoe posted 12-07-98 05:05 PM ET
Actually, you're wrong, Imran.
SnowFire posted 12-07-98 05:36 PM ET
Thue: scroll down to the "Saratov's Faction Quote" thread started by JB and you'll find an extensive discussion on this.
Imran, you're still wrong. 3 quarks make up a proton or neutron, and an electon is a heck of a lot smaller than 1/3 a proton.
DJ RRebel posted 12-07-98 06:10 PM ET
seems to me they said electrons MIGHT be made with different types of quarks !!!
I'm not too sure, just look at the other thread !!!
Antiam posted 12-07-98 07:42 PM ET
When the emissary is heading to the bridge there's mention of the ship spinning to produce artificial gravity. It doesn't go into much detail about the axes of rotation, but they made a token effort. Also, in episode 2 or 3, Lal mentions the increasing gravity as he's in the elevator heading for the bridge.
Antiam
Abdiel posted 12-07-98 09:12 PM ET
An electron is part of a family of sub-atomic particles. All of these particles are made up of two quarks, or rather a quark and an anti-quark.
Protons and neutrons are part of another family entirely. Their family of particles each has three quarks.
As for the matter of a proton being much MUCH larger than an electron, that is correct, but not evidence that the number of quarks is wrong. The move around rapidly, defining an expanse of space, where they are USUALLY located, this is what is referred to as the proton, or neutron, or electron. There's no lump of matter which IS the proton in actuality, is sort of a probability thing.
Please feel free to correct me if anyone is more recently read on this subject. I am reaching back some years into the past for this info, but I think I am mostly on target.
Spoe posted 12-07-98 09:24 PM ET
Wrong. Wrong. Electrons are, to the best of our knowledge, fundamental particles. They are leptons(which, along with quarks, make up the fermions). Particles such as protons, which are made of three quarks are baryons. Mesons are made of one quark and one anti-quark. Hadrons are the particles that are made from quarks(i.e. baryons and mesons). Bosons are force carriers(such as photons, gluons, etc.).
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Author	Topic: a few little faults in the story and background
Thue	posted 12-07-98 04:48 PM ET notice in the describtion of Zakharov it say's: "The substructure of the universe regresses infinitely towards smaller and smaller components. Behind atoms we find electrons, and behind electrons quarks.. in short: electrons are NOT made of quarks; protons and neutrons are. another thing: The story don't seem to take place in zero-G ; It doesn't have any consequences for the actions of the characters at all. I'm not impressed!
Imran Siddiqui	posted 12-07-98 04:54 PM ET Actually, electrons are made of quarks, IIRC. Imran Siddiqui
Spoe	posted 12-07-98 05:04 PM ET Yeah, I noticed the bit about the electrons. As to the other, it was IIRC, discussed at length on the old forums. Some sort of "gravity" is obvious from episode 28( "'You must practice for ten thousand hours, and then practice ten thousand more. And make sure every move is correct. Or, perhaps fight in zero-g.' Another ensign, with thick dark brows and an urgent demeanor, waved a touchstylus. 'Say, how do you fight in zero-g? Can your techniques be extrapolated to a zero-g environment?' 'Zero-g is like fighting on the ground, but you can fall in any direction,' Sheng-ji answered lightly, and then picked up a towel and began padding his neck and arms. 'Session over. Practice the coiling motion for next time. Ten thousand hours.' They laughed politely and started to break up, talking among themselves."). Now, since most of the stories have occured _not_ under acceleration, I'd have to assume a spin for "gravity", though we've not seen explicit reference to the consequences of this, either.
Spoe	posted 12-07-98 05:05 PM ET Actually, you're wrong, Imran.
SnowFire	posted 12-07-98 05:36 PM ET Thue: scroll down to the "Saratov's Faction Quote" thread started by JB and you'll find an extensive discussion on this. Imran, you're still wrong. 3 quarks make up a proton or neutron, and an electon is a heck of a lot smaller than 1/3 a proton.
DJ RRebel	posted 12-07-98 06:10 PM ET seems to me they said electrons MIGHT be made with different types of quarks !!! I'm not too sure, just look at the other thread !!!
Antiam	posted 12-07-98 07:42 PM ET When the emissary is heading to the bridge there's mention of the ship spinning to produce artificial gravity. It doesn't go into much detail about the axes of rotation, but they made a token effort. Also, in episode 2 or 3, Lal mentions the increasing gravity as he's in the elevator heading for the bridge. Antiam
Abdiel	posted 12-07-98 09:12 PM ET An electron is part of a family of sub-atomic particles. All of these particles are made up of two quarks, or rather a quark and an anti-quark. Protons and neutrons are part of another family entirely. Their family of particles each has three quarks. As for the matter of a proton being much MUCH larger than an electron, that is correct, but not evidence that the number of quarks is wrong. The move around rapidly, defining an expanse of space, where they are USUALLY located, this is what is referred to as the proton, or neutron, or electron. There's no lump of matter which IS the proton in actuality, is sort of a probability thing. Please feel free to correct me if anyone is more recently read on this subject. I am reaching back some years into the past for this info, but I think I am mostly on target.
Spoe	posted 12-07-98 09:24 PM ET Wrong. Wrong. Electrons are, to the best of our knowledge, fundamental particles. They are leptons(which, along with quarks, make up the fermions). Particles such as protons, which are made of three quarks are baryons. Mesons are made of one quark and one anti-quark. Hadrons are the particles that are made from quarks(i.e. baryons and mesons). Bosons are force carriers(such as photons, gluons, etc.).