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Brother Greg posted 12-03-98 11:21 PM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg   Click Here to Email Brother Greg  
Is it just me, or are there very few people around today? Today being Friday in the good countries, and Thursday in the not-so-good countries.

My birthday tomorrow too (Dec 5th). Damn, another year older. 27 this year. Gettin' old.

Brother Greg.

Golf posted 12-03-98 11:53 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Golf  Click Here to Email Golf     
Herzlichen Gluckwunch Zums Geburtstag
Bruder Greg
Brother Greg posted 12-04-98 12:07 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Which according to Alta Vista means:
Cordial gluckwunch zums birthday brother Greg

Thank you. Even though I still have no idea what the "gluckwunch zums" part means. Twenty seventh?

Brother Greg.

Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 12-04-98 12:12 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey  Click Here to Email Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey     
THIS BETTER WORK!!!!
***************************************************

Hmmm, a Thursday, & no one's here. Must be the unseasonaly warm weather here in the states. Are high was 60 degrees farenheit today(believe me, that's high for now!), & it's December! It should be about freezing now! There should be snow out, & I should be up to my ass in it, shoveling it! But it's warm, so I've been spending some more time outside, I assume most of us 'round here are. Well, this is only a weekly thing, next week the idiot who does the weather predicted snow. He doesn't know anything anyway, & he tells very corny & un-funny jokes. It annoys the hell outta me!

Happy Birthday Greg! You're ahead of me by 10 years, I gotta catch up!!

Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH

SnowFire posted 12-04-98 12:19 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
Something Something. I was here today but can't think of anything to creative to say about it. Sorry...
Antiam posted 12-04-98 01:56 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiam  Click Here to Email Antiam     
Happy Birthday BG! Maybe Mike Ely will send you a beta as a gift!

Antiam

Arnelos posted 12-04-98 03:08 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Arnelos  Click Here to Email Arnelos     
Well, I'll tell you why I haven't been on these forums in over 24 hours:

THE DAMN SERVER FOR THE UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN DOWN, THAT'S WHY!

I have been unable to access e-mail, SMAC, my PBEM games, or my AIM chats with friends for almost 2 days!!!!

It was horrible!!!!

Well, I spent most of the time tutoring people on their plantary science projects anyways, so I've at least been busy.

The network finally came back up around noon today (but it's been patchy all day, with parts of campus going out for several hours at different times). I've spent most of the time since then just getting around to answering all the unaswered e-mail.

NOW, BACK TO SMAC! (hurah )

Well, I just got another e-mail from a student who I've been tutoring, so bye y'all.

Arnelos
Keeper of Wisdom
Peacekeeper

Arnelos posted 12-04-98 03:10 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Arnelos  Click Here to Email Arnelos     
Well, that was quick. Just a simple math error.
Roland posted 12-04-98 06:45 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Congrats, brother Greg. Happy NIMday!

Herzlichen Gl�ckwunsch zum Geburtstag, Bruder Greg.

Try this in altavista...should work.

You're 27 tomorrow ? Gee, young man. You'll feel a lot older tomorrow. And I'm already afraid of my 28th on january 7th, but I won't realize it if only the demo is out by then...

hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope hope


jsorense posted 12-04-98 12:51 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jsorense  Click Here to Email jsorense     
Filiz Cumplea�os Brother Greg.

Live long and prosper.

jsorense posted 12-04-98 12:58 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jsorense  Click Here to Email jsorense     
Ah-hem, that should be Feliz, not filiz. Where's my coffee!
Imran Siddiqui posted 12-04-98 01:14 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Well it is still the 4th here (and on the Firaxis forums) so I'm not saying anything, yet .

Imran Siddiqui
Whatever

Tolls posted 12-04-98 01:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Tolls  Click Here to Email Tolls     
Right...it should be the 5th in all of Oz now, so...

Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday Brother Greg,
Happy Birthday to you...

(ps...any chance of your lot letting us win the 3rd Test?)

dushan posted 12-04-98 01:31 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for dushan  Click Here to Email dushan     
Hmm, how about:

I wish you a merry Birthday,
I wish you a merry Birthday,
I wish you a merry Birthday,
And a SMACing new year

;-)

Spoe posted 12-04-98 03:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Spoe  Click Here to Email Spoe     
I s'pose I'll chime in. Happy bday, BG.
Grosshaus posted 12-04-98 04:15 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Grosshaus  Click Here to Email Grosshaus     
Hyv�� syntym�p�iv�� veli Greg! Paljon onnea!

Try to find that from Alta Vista!!

Jay posted 12-04-98 06:16 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay  Click Here to Email Jay     
I suppose veli Greg doesn't need Alta Vista to that with all of us around...
Anyhow, I won't be the one to translate it.
Well Happy Birthday Brother Greg!
Rang posted 12-04-98 06:48 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Rang  Click Here to Email Rang     
Happy Birthday!!! So, should we now call you "Elder Greg"? Heheheh. Just kidding
Gord McLeod posted 12-04-98 07:40 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Gord McLeod  Click Here to Email Gord McLeod     
Happy Birthday, Brother Greg.
Kurn posted 12-04-98 08:43 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Kurn  Click Here to Email Kurn     
Happy Birthday you old fart
(jsut kidding, dont have a heart attack)

Seriously though, Happy Birthday Greg!

Talon posted 12-05-98 07:02 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Talon  Click Here to Email Talon     
Today is quiet too. What is nobody here on a Saturday?

-Talon
"I refuse to go with the flow"

Imran Siddiqui posted 12-05-98 07:25 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Damn it is quite today, a Saturady, I expected the Happy Birthday Bro Greg, would liven thing up, boy am I wrong!
Maya posted 12-05-98 07:42 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Maya  Click Here to Email Maya     
Ah.. nothing like giving some subtle hints... =)

Anyway, let me wish you a very Happy Birthday, the way we do it here in Quebec:

Mon cher Greg, c'est � ton tour, de te laisser parler d'amour.
Mon cher Greg, c'est � ton tour, de te laisser parler d'amour...

*Kiss*
-Maya

Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 12-05-98 09:35 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey  Click Here to Email Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey     
*Kiss*??? She's abandoned the *hugs* for a kiss?? Oh well, I guess I can take her *hugs* over now

*Hugs*
YYYH.

j/k.

Happy b-day Brother Greg again! Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Greg, happy birthday to you!
(A woman with a horrible voice jumps out & says: .....& many more!!!!!! The rest of the party looks at her funny, she turns away & starts eating the cake.)

Now, for the real tag,
Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH

Brother Greg posted 12-06-98 07:33 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Ah, thanks everyone. Was a most wonderfull birthday. *sniff* Now I just feel as ancient as Chiron.

YYYH: You may have a few problems. I hope to live to the ripe old age of 100, so maybe I'll let you catch up then.

Antiam: Now THAT would be a birthday present.

Roland, Thanks, that helps. Actually I feel much older today, a sI spent yesterday (Sunday 6th) digging holes int he ground for a new patio. Got blisters everywhere.

Jsorense: Hey, I actually recognised Spanish.

Imran: Caught the thread. Seems like everyone got so happy here they missed it though. Thanks though.

Tolls: I played ont he weekend and got 4 for 22, and scored 14 runs, so I figure that I could beat the Poms right now. LOL...

Dushan: If only we would have SMAC FOR the new year.

Spoe: Short but sweet.

Grosshaus: Yep, you got me there. Scandanavian? The translator started, but couldn't Finnish. OK, poor joke. Italian to English gave me: "Hyv�� syntym�p�iv�� sails Greg! Onnea Paljon!". So, I'll just take it you're wishing me well for the Syndey to Hobart yacht race (not that I am actually going in it).

Jay: Please? I'm dying to know.

Rang: Now listen here you young whipper-snapper, back when I was a boy we treated our elders with more respect than that. Why, if we even looked like disagreeing with them, we'd have our mouth washed out with a mixture of pig's blood and horse offal.

Gord: Another short but sweet.

Kurn: More likely to have a heart attack worrying about the spelling on this board. Jsut? *SIGH*

Talon: Always like an individual. Just don't expect an invite to the party next year.

Imran again: Yeah, always goes quiet on weekends.

Maya: "My dear Greg, it is in your turn, to let to you speak about love". Obviously the translation services leave a lot to be desired. Still, I get the message. *baiser*

How about: "L'une passion de n�cessit� premi�re avant une peut aimer autre". Or "La libert� ne peut �tre achet�e. Seulement l'amour peut vous placer libre."...

Both sort of by me. Hope the reverse translation worked...

Cool, using cut and paste, it even puts in the little squiggly things, accents or whatever they are called...

YYYH: Cheers, I needed a hug. I must admit that it didn't quite match up to Maya's kiss though. LOL...

And to all once again: Thanks from the bottom of my heart...

Brother Greg.

SnowFire posted 12-06-98 07:47 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
Er... "Belated Happy Birthday, Greg?" Sorry, I missed these additions to the thread....

It's always quiet on weekends. It seems most people post at work during the day and at home in the evening, now if our school's internet connection was fixed one of these days...

Brother Greg posted 12-06-98 09:09 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Thanks Snowfire. =)

By the way, Maya, sorry for all those "evil" smileys. You'll have to forgive me this once, for my birthday. I have made this one smiley free though. =)

Brother Greg.

DHE_X2 posted 12-06-98 10:24 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DHE_X2  Click Here to Email DHE_X2     
HEHEHE, I waited a day just to piss you off, anyway, Happy Birthday BG.
Shining1 posted 12-06-98 11:31 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
opps. I completely missed this thread.

Hope you have had a very happy birthday, Brother Greg. Hopefully I won't be that old by the time I get to Australia .

I can't think of a suitable gift, but maybe we'll hold of on sending Jonah round for another year .

Best regards for the summer,

Shining1

Brother Greg posted 12-06-98 11:41 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
DHE_X2: That's allright, my wife almost forgot (well, she went a couple of hours before she sheepishly remembered), so I don't think that'll bother me too much.

Shining1: You may as well come over. From what I hear, 90% of Kiwis live in Bondi anyway. Besides which, as it says in the Mainland Cheese Ad: "If New Zealand is made up of Islands, doesn't that make Australia the mainland?"

Or words to that effect...

As for a gift, I already got it - the Bledisloe. For yours you get the Confederations Cup berth and the Melbourne Cup. Sounde like I get the better deal. =)

Brother Greg.

Shining1 posted 12-07-98 12:00 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
I agree. Want to trade ? As far as it goes, my birthday is in a weeks time, and I'll happily accept any major sporting trophy after the past year...

Actually, we sort of consider NSW to be the West Island. I heard recently there's something on an 'accent assimilation' process going on in east Sudney at the moment?

And what mainland cheese ad is this? Hmmm. In fact its the South Island that's supposed to be the mainland, but I see they've adopted a different stragety for Aussie customers.

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 12:13 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Mate, it'd take NZ winning the world cup (soccer) for us to trade the Bledisloe. IF we'd do it then...

As for NSW being the West Island - um, NSW isn't an island, in case you hadn't noticed.

Sudney... LOL. Was that a typo, or an intended Pun? If it was a typo, it is one of the funnier ones I have heard...

For the non-Kiwis out there, they (the Kiwis) pronounce all "I"s as "U". And "Y" probably counts as an "I" to them, thus Sudney (Sydney - pronounced "Sidnee") is just about correct... ROFL.

It's an old Mainland Cheese ad, just one that stuck in my small brain.

Brother Greg.
Why do I bother typing this in when it appears to the left anyway? Hmmm...

Shining1 posted 12-07-98 12:26 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
"As for NSW being the West Island - um, NSW isn't an island" - BG

I'll take your word for it. My point was that the rest of Australia is largely irrelevant, with the exception of Brisbane beaches and Melbourne (when the cup or a rugby match is in town).

I'm not going to mention the typo, save that seems to have illustrated my point. o)

Mate, who cares about the Soccer?? At any rate, I can appreciate you guys wanting to hold on to the Bledisoe - you so rarely get the change...

(apologies beforehand in the hopes of avoiding a flamewar.)

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 01:14 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
That's allright, Sydney has better beaches than Brisbane anyway. Well, better surf beaches anyway, I hafta admit that their beaches are longer, and generally better known, though not as crowded.

As for the 'G (MCG - Melbourne Cricket Ground) from next year, it'll be at Stadium Australia in Sydney which'll hold 110,000 people. Yay!

As for the cup, it may be a while in coming - was it '90 or '92 last time we won it, but it is so much the sweeter when we do get it. Now if only the aboriginals were built like the Maoris we might have a chance... lol...

As for a flamewar, don't bother me none. We like to hassle you about your relationships with sheep, and you like to hammer us at Rugby. I can't see anything to get into a flame war about...

Maya posted 12-07-98 08:30 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Maya  Click Here to Email Maya     
Arg!! nooooooo... smileys everywhere! =)

YYYH:
LOL It's his birthday! You can't just give some lousy hugs for a birthday! Where are you coming from? =)
j/k

Brother Greg:
Please forgive my ignorance, but what translation service? And actually, it doesn't seems to be working that badly:

"La libert� ne peut �tre achet�e. Seulement l'amour peut vous placer libre." should actually be "La libert� ne peut �tre achet�e. Seul l'amour peut vous rendre libre." But it's really close and easily understandable. On the other hand:

"L'une passion de n�cessit� premi�re avant une peut aimer autre" What??? In this case, yes, I agree with you, that translation service has a few problems! =) I have no idea what that means!

*Hugs*
-Maya

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 09:16 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Yeah, sorry once again about the smileys. =)

Altavista translation services (jump.altavista.com/translate). I mentioned it way up near the top somewhere. Also they must be fans of Douglas Adams, cos the servername it routs you to is "babelfish.altavista.com". =)

As for "L'une passion de n�cessit� premi�re avant une peut aimer autre", I just tried French to English, and it comes out as "One passion of need first before one can like other".

So yes, lol, I can see where you might have a problem with it. Stupid Altavista Translation services. It was supposed to say "One must first learn to love oneself before one can love another". Or words to that effect.

*SIGH*

Even what you quoted "La libert� ne peut �tre achet�e. Seul l'amour peut vous rendre libre" comes out as "Freedom cannot be bought. Only the love can return to you free" when reverse engineered. Which is not quite what I tried to say. Then again, I can't remember _exactly_ what I wanted to say, so it is close enough. =)

Mind you, it might just be that sometimes translation between two languages is not perfect...

Let's try this:
Le monde serait un endroit fonc� sans �treintes. =)
*Hugs* right back at you

P.S. That last line is not supposed to be a translation of the french above. It is supposed to complement it. =)

Shining1 posted 12-07-98 10:33 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
I'm gonna ignore that sheep bit, mate. Although to be fair sheep jokes are quite popular in N.Z as well - the target just becomes agricultural students.

Actually it was '92 you last had the cup - when David Knox played aussie rules with the ball leading to a Jason Little try in the first 17 seconds. Not a happy moment, but we almost managed to come back.

"Massey research scientists have recently discovered another two uses for sheep - meat and wool."

But I'm guessing you already knew that one... =)

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 10:52 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Lol, yeah, I had heard the one about the scientists, though over here it is just "Kiwi Scientists". Funny, I heard that over there, you tell the same jokes, just with Aussies as the subject. Or switching Kangaroos with sheep. Can't remember who told me that one, but there you go, don't believe everything you hear.

Yeah, I thought it was '92. The team went swimming in some really cold river after the game. The Aussies that is. Funny, for a sport supposedly played by intellectuals, they sure do some dumb things.

And I tell you what, I thought you were going to come back and nab us in the third test this year too. Boy was that close.

Still, the good guys won. Now we just gotta look forward to the world cup next year, and hope we can beat the Seth Afrikaans. Good to see the Poms beat them too. =)

Heck, the Poms almost beat us. 12-11 we scraped in, and that on 4 penalty goals. =(

Shining1 posted 12-07-98 11:05 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
Yeah. Kinda amusing after the way they kicked you to death during the last world cup. As the song goes, 'you better watch out...'

The last two tests of the year were both unbelievable. Coach John Hart has been making noises along the lines of "I don't think we'll beat the Springbox" for a couple of months now - for an A.B coach this is almost unbelievable.

Aussie jokes - except for the classic "tie me kangaroo down, sport" I've never told a kangaroo joke. We just take Irish jokes and replace 'Paddy' with 'Ocker'.

"This morning in Queensland a light helicopter crashed into a graveyard. Police have recovered 6,798 bodys so far."

"New Zealanders who emigrate to Australia end up raising the I.Q of both countries" - David Lange (amoung others)

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 11:20 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Bloody Pommie Rugby. If only they could learn to play the running game. =)

One joke (short version):

Matthew Ridge was taking Ian Roberts on a trip through NZ, when they stopped by a farm. Ridgey jumped out, grabbed a sheep, put its front legs over the fence, with its back feet on the other side, and started going for it.

Ridgey turned to Ian Roberts and said "Man, you gotta try this, this is the best thing."

So Ian pulled down his pants and bent over the fence, hands on one side, feet on the other... =)

Shining1 posted 12-07-98 11:32 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     

heh heh. I definitely hadn't hear that one before...

As for pommie rugby (admittedly an old joke):

It's halftime, with the All Black playing the poms. The score is 102-0, and Laurie Mains decides to leave just Richard Loe on for the scrums and let everyone else go down to the pub for the afternoon.

On returning, Laurie is shocked to see that the poms have won the game 112-109, and demands to know what went wrong. Loe replies "I was doing great, right up till the 17th minute when I got send off..."

Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 11:53 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Heh, even with Loe sent off, I reckon the Poms would have had problems. =)

Dang, brain has gone numb, can't think of any more jokes right now. Except the old "Why do Kiwis wear gumboots" of course, but I'm sure you have heard that one once or twice. =)

Shining1 posted 12-08-98 12:30 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
Can't say I have (do I want to? I suspect I had better before going to Aussie.)

P.S Why did Rolf Harris want his Kangaroo tied down? Geez, at least we don't write songs about that sort of thing.

Brother Greg posted 12-08-98 01:15 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Why do Kiwis wear gumboots?

Gives em somewhere to stick the sheep's hind legs so they can't get away.

Something like that anyway.

I refuse to listen to Rolf Harris, and I refuse to believe that he is an Aussie. The man is quite simple loony. Anyone that can base a whole image on a "wobbleboard" which is vasically a big sheet of metal which he "wobbles" to make noises, needs their head read if you ask me...

As for that particular song, I don't know. All I know is the chorus, which consists of the title of the song, repeated over and over. Oh, with the word "Sport" chucked in. I couldn't tell you another word in the song if I tried. And I'm glad, frankly.

Roland posted 12-08-98 01:01 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Hey, it's all over now, but still congrats, brother Greg.

Bruder Greg, die paar J�hrchen bringen dich nicht um.

Assumed altavista translation: Brother Greg, the couple J�hrchen do not bring you around.

What do you make of it ?

Pour francais: C'est la langue que je ne comprend pas. Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire, l'amour et la necessite et..., donc ? Moi, je preferait parler de la tour Eiffel...

Huh ?


Brother Greg posted 12-08-98 06:52 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Thanks Roland. =)

On the German, Jachren: Panadol? Smelling salts? I dunno, I got no idea. =)

Dang, I gotta learn French, cos, that French stuff comes out as: "It is the language which I does not understand. What does Ca want to say, the love and the necessite and, therefore? Me, I preferait speech of the Eiffel tower"

Huh?

Between the German and French, I am getting VERY confused here. My fault I suppose for trying to write in French. =)

Shining1 posted 12-08-98 10:05 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
We were forced to sing it in primary school (read: Grade 1-5?). It's something along the lines of a dying rancher's last will and testament. Every old aussie sterotype (abbos, cookaburras, etc, plus the kangaroos) is included. If ever there was an anthem for One Nation, this should be it.

We also had to do 'Waltzing Matilda', which was much better but had lots of confusing words in it. Which is the whole point, I guess. I still think it should be your national anthem.

I suppose that's another thing Kiwis & Aussies share: two of the lamest national anthems in the world. [No offense intended, but where else have you ever heard the word 'girt'? Real estate seller: "You'll notice that the property is girt by fence, sir" ]

I believe Rolf Harris was last spotted selling 'British Paints' in New Zealand. It's not a pleasant sight.

Brother Greg posted 12-08-98 11:06 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Waltzing Matilda:
-----------------

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong
Under the shade of a coolabah tree
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.

[Chorus]
Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda
You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me
And he sang as he watched and waited till his billy boiled
You'll come a-waltzinf Matilda with me.


Hmm, then I remember something about a "jumbuck" wandering up to the billabong for a drink.

Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee
And he sang as he stuffed that jumbuck in his tucker bag
You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.


And there's a heck of a lot more to it, but yeah, with words like swagman, billabong, coolabah (no, not the cask wine), jumbuck, tucker bag, I suppose it could be a little confusing.

As for it being our National Anthum, I dunno. It is a song about a sheep stealer. Would probably just make people laugh at us once they figured it out, IMHO. Well, make them laugh at us more. Gotta admit that I also hate that line in yours "God save (or was it defend) our free-ee land". I mean, I know it is probably the only line thay could find to rhyme with New Zealand, but sheesh!

The sad thing is that kids these days in Australia don't even learn stuff like Waltzing Matilda, IIRC. But it would explain why so many Kiwis come over here - just to find out what the heck the song means after being tortured with it in childhood. =)

As for Advance Australia Fair - eh, I'll live with it. It's a bit odd in parts, but aren't they all? Funny thing is it has two verses, and almost no-one knows or ever uses the second verse. =(

Shining1 posted 12-08-98 11:31 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
Yeah. "God defend New Zealand" (a dirgeful piece of music that I will definitely vote to change if given the chance) also has a second verse no-one knows.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very proud of New Zealand and the massive achievements of it's tiny population (like... RUGBY!). It just pains me to have this slow, monotonous, dull piece of music associated with my country.

IMHO, the point to a national anthem is to convey your countries own uniqueness, in the form of a good tune. Waltzing Matilda does this in a way that Advance Australia Fair could never. Just like the Haka says infinitely more about the power and passion of New Zealand people than God defend New Zealand does. (And yeah, it is a dreadful line, especially when you get half the audience sing New Zealand by mistake... Mate, I have some real issues with this song.)

I just take as an example the second test this year at Chch, where John Eales lifted the Bledisoe in front of 1000 drunk, ecstatic Aussies singing Waltzing Matilda (an incredibly depressing sight, especially after the A.B's pathetic effort for 70 minutes. But beatiful in its own way). The emotion invested in that song is far greater than that in your national anthem. So who are you kidding? Who are we?

Brother Greg posted 12-08-98 11:46 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
For some strange reason, WM has always been a bit of a rugby anthem, though I have no idea why. Maybe it's because we're not like the Poms who make up songs about anything and everything. I'm sure they have songs about taking a piss.

As for the Haka, could you imagine that as a national anthem? Ai carumba, people really would laugh at you then.

Still, you do have a point there, and in fact the debate has been raging in Australia for years about using WM as our national anthem. Nothing ever seems to come of it though. Just like the flag debate. People want us to get rid of the Union Jack, to show that we are not slaves to Britain anymore. Or some crap like that.

Then people come out and crap on about how many soldiers died under the flag, when in fact the ONLY war Australia ever fought under the current flag was Vietnam. All the other wars we fought under the Union Jack.

I'm personally for the flag used at the Eureka Stockade - the Southern Cross in white on a field of blue, with lines like a real cross connecting the stars. As you said, it says more about Australia than anything with the Union Jack in the corner.

Unfortunately, too much of Australia is too apathetical to care.

Shining1 posted 12-09-98 12:00 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
We also have the flag debate (*sign* how similar we seem - two frustrated ex-colonies in the south pacific who hate the brits).
My favoured solution is simply the Silver fern on a black blackground, with perhaps the four red stars behind it. Again, nothing much seems to come of it.

And I don't suggest using the Haka as a national anthem, though it certainly would be a point of difference (I suspect only Australia would laugh, while the rest of the world went "Huh? What the hell is that!?").
But certainly something (anything) different and better sounding.


Brother Greg posted 12-09-98 12:17 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Actually, didn't they recently change your anthem to include verses sung in English, and whatever language the Maori's use?

As for the Brits, I don't particularly hate them. After all, that's where half our tourism comes from. The other half is from Japan.

the Brits to find some good looking girls, and the Japanese to cuddle Koalas.

But of course we love to flog them at cricket.

The black flag with the fern - you use that at rugby and league matches don't you?

Shining1 posted 12-09-98 12:30 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Shining1  Click Here to Email Shining1     
Yes, and for netball and athletics, amoung others (Troy Corser carried one the track on his bike when he beat Mic Doohan earlier this year). While it's more of a sporting thing than a politicial one, its the top pick to replace the current flag when we finally get around to it (the war vets arguement holds a lot of sway here, but our liberal race relations counters with the number of bad things done to Maori (who speak 'Maori', by the way) under same).

The Maori verses were included around 1990, to the same tune, and sound much better. But no one knows the words, and part of the community here tends to go ballistic at the thought of their kids getting taught Maori lanuage in school. So it's not commonly added.

I don't particularly hate the brits, either. But there enough to piss me off, particularly pommie journalists talking about anything N.Z, for me to at least not like them as much as they deserve.

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