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Imran Siddiqui posted 11-20-98 03:30 PM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui   Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui  
The United States has only two friends in foriegn policy. Two nations that still with us. Together the US, Canada and the UK are unstoppable. To Canada and the United Kingdom, I, Imran Siddiqui, present this staute of friendship for all the kindness you have bestowed and for sticking with us through thick and thin.

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

CClark posted 11-20-98 03:36 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
On behalf of the Canadians here, I accept and thank you.

Now, one favour. Could you PLEASE get your President out of our newspapers! We're sick to death of hearing about him, Monica, Mr. Starr and the rest of it. Given your history of assassinations, is it too much to ask for somebody to just shoot him so we can move on?

AUH20 posted 11-20-98 03:50 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for AUH20  Click Here to Email AUH20     
What about Germany and Poland?
Imran Siddiqui posted 11-20-98 03:50 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Hmm, maybe we could...NO!! We can't kill one of our leaders!! That's SOOO wrong! But we could get him impeached . Go Ken Starr, Go!! You Da Man, Ken!

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

AUH20 posted 11-20-98 04:05 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for AUH20  Click Here to Email AUH20     
Did you watch the hearings, Imran? He's so cool! What a constrast to Barney Frank! And boy was it fun to watch Henry Hyde blow up at Frank! I remember watching and somebody said "Out of respect for the chair, I'm going to stop now." And then Hyde: "I love you!"
jfrazier posted 11-20-98 04:43 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jfrazier  Click Here to Email jfrazier     
Hey, Imran, compatriot, we need Isreal. It may not be much, but they are one of our most loyal allies. I like the Germans too. May need them. They are a hell of a strong lot. There economy is not bad. Since you are President of this thread, and the Elite 10th Faction, I ask that you: not cheat on your wife, spend money in better places, come on, give us a tax break(since we pay for the world's protection), and, when you smoke, not inhale.

Jeff
Ceasar of the Stars

DJ RRebel posted 11-20-98 04:44 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ RRebel  Click Here to Email DJ RRebel     
CClark .. I couldn't agree with you more !!!

I hate turning on newsworld only to see the stupid inquiry !!!

Imran Siddiqui posted 11-20-98 04:56 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
jfrazier, agreed! I will not cheat on my wife (when I get one, of course), I will NEVER smoke anything, you have a 15% tax break, and a 15% cut in designated government beauracracies. Isreal, if they were more friendly to the Arabs; it seems their itching for a fight. I'd have to support the Palestians if war ever did break out. Germany is cool, but they've been somewhat critical of our policies. I suggest to all in the 10th faction, the US should pull out of the UN, and banish them from NY. Lets see them collect their debt then .

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

Steel_Dragon posted 11-20-98 05:06 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Steel_Dragon  Click Here to Email Steel_Dragon     
The only differance bewteen this President and a high percentage of past Presidents is he got caught, while in office. This country wanted a Political Leader not a Moral leader. One look at the Christian Coalitions views and you will understand why. His policies where better than the other guys. He did support socialized healthcare, even if he did talk to the insurance instead of the doctors and patients, he did try!
jfrazier posted 11-20-98 05:16 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jfrazier  Click Here to Email jfrazier     
Imran, that made me laugh good and hard! Yea, I agree totally. The only alliance we need is in this Hemisphere, our British neighbors,and I like that Isreali Air Force---pretty good bunch. Anyway, I agree. We have too many critics in most other lands. No more Marshall Plans; no more big bank loans(unless we can collect those debts), no more protecting some third world nation----let the tyrants around the world know, we don't give a damn anymore!
Save the American taxpayer, please, Mr. President. After these boring hearings, just impeach the guy and move on.
Qualifiers for USA protection, alliance,money:
Must have some type of economy???
Must be in this Hemisphere??
Automatic qualifier if Britain, still not sure about Isreal or Germany.
Must be willing to support its share of the world defense. A true NATO would mean the US only supply its fair share and not 75 or 50% of the money, troops, guns, etc.
Top Presidents:
Imran
Reagan
Eisenhower
FDR
Lincoln
Washington
Churchhill (ok, we borrowed him)!
Thatcher,(Dog gone it, we borrowed her too)!
King Richard, hey he was cool!
Cromwell, well close to being boss

Top Generals:
Imran
Jeff (Ceasar)
Patton
Marshall
Pershing
MacArthur
Nemitz
John Paul Jones
Wellington
Montgomery

Top Weapons:
Nuclear subs
Space Shuttle?
Stealth F1-17
Carriers, The Enterprise
Patriot Missle

Pact: of course with your approval or veto, Any outside force that wants to trade with us, we will so long as the tarrifs are FAIR.
Any nation that exhibits they think they know about the United States and begin to be critical, fine, but we reserve the right to limit there trade, protection, and technology.
What do you think Mr. President?

Jeff
Ceasar of the Stars

Aga1 posted 11-20-98 05:30 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aga1  Click Here to Email Aga1     
Isnt canda owned by the british and has not many rights in the UN ?
CClark posted 11-20-98 05:41 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
Aga1 - NO, Canada is definitely not "owned" by the British and we certainly have a bunch of rights!

Yes, we are part of the Commonwealth and yes were do still technically have the Queen as a head of State, but that is a formality more than anything.

We have our own consitution (although Quebecers for some reason don't like it). We became independant over 125 years ago (1867 IIRC).

jfrazier - as our contribution, Canada will pony up:
$1 billion (Cdn, so that's about $1.99 in US funds)
3 war canoes, complete with whaling harpoons and 1 musket per canoe
all of our labrador helicopters (although you'll have to find your own pilots, none of ours are stupid enough to! -- sorry, "in joke" for Canucks)

CClark posted 11-20-98 05:45 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
P.S. I forgot to mention that Canada currently has a seat on the U.N. Security council and it was a Canadian Prime Minister (Pearson) who was a major voice behind the formation of the U.N.

Also, we have roughly 1/3 of our troops on U.N. Peacekeeping missions at any given time. (In fact, most of our troops say we're involved too much as the rotation time is way too short. My brother was in Crotia for 6 months, then he was back over there for another 6 months only 1 year later! 6 there-12 here-6 there. Thank goodness he doesn't have any kids yet and has finally been posted to an admin job for a while.)

DJ RRebel posted 11-20-98 05:49 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ RRebel  Click Here to Email DJ RRebel     
I can't believe I spent countless posts debating social issues with someone who thought the British owened Canada !!! LMAO

Aga1 ... just out of curiousity .. how old are you ??? Where are you from ???

DJ RRebel posted 11-20-98 05:50 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ RRebel  Click Here to Email DJ RRebel     
Anyways ... back to the topic .. yes Imran ... let us be friends !!!
JingoPenguin posted 11-20-98 05:57 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for JingoPenguin  Click Here to Email JingoPenguin     
I'm sure us Brits can be your friends now you've calmed down
jfrazier posted 11-20-98 06:21 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jfrazier  Click Here to Email jfrazier     
CClark:
The New American Alliance accepts your..uh...help. Can we at least make it for 2.00$ instead of a buck 99? It just wouldn't seem fair?

JingoPenguin: Life without Britain would be like no sunshine! Since you guys are a part of the new world, sure, we need all the help we can get over here. I figure we can run the New American Alliance in three or four realms of protection from the rest of the evil world: The North Americans; the Central& South Americans; the British Allies; and maybe the Isreali/Saudi Allies,....that is a big maybe. I am still waiting to hear from our loyal President, Imran to decide on this area of alliance.
Oh, to our Canadian friends, I kind of liked your former Primier "Trudeau", if I spelled it correctly, forgive me otherwise
He definatly makes the Great World Presidents list. Of course, Our Canadian brothers need to resolve the Quebec/Seperatists issue. I am sure they will and I hope they will go along with our new alliance over here????
Our Rules in this New America's/British Alliance: Our leaders, no matter what party/parties, can only compete for the best the world has yet to have seen.
Second: Our technology can not be made fun of because it will hurt you!
Third: We believe in making a dollar/whatever cause it costs money to be the best.
fourth: All the worms not in this alliance will have to fight out there own problems. Unless we are attacked by an outside enemy, we keep our noses out of there affairs, and they should do the same, or so we hope.
fifth: All this needs Pres. ok????
CAnada: Your input?
Britain: YOur input?
Other US ?
Jeff
Ceasar of the Stars

Imran Siddiqui posted 11-20-98 07:07 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Jeff? What was that? Actually I have some things.

Article 1
-The 8th, 10th, and 11th faction agree to have peaceful relations.
-These factions shall be organized into the Anglo-American Alliance (American stands for the parts of the Americas, which have been established by England).
-The Alliance shall respect each other's soverienty. Each can have its faction government remain intact.
-If one faction in the alliance is attacked, the others shall rush to its defence.

Article 2
-The factions of the Anglo-American alliance shall form a common alliance council consisting of each faction's leaders to meet to discuss topics of concern.

Do I have a ratifying vote fro any Canadians or Brits?

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot


jfrazier posted 11-20-98 07:19 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jfrazier  Click Here to Email jfrazier     
sounds good. Lets ratify that sucker, of course depending on the other two thirds of our members.
Now, what will our first order of business be in this Faction?
Stamp out critics?
Squash antiAmerican name callers?
Sue Flag burners?
Have a free medicare plan?
A Civ II game, where we can create a scenario doing this "OUR" way?
Hey, Imran, what about a enemy list???

Jeff
Ceasar of the Stars

Synthetic posted 11-20-98 07:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Synthetic  Click Here to Email Synthetic     
Everyone should be as proactive as I am towards the cementing of long term relationships with our northern bretheren. In short, I married a french canadian chicklet... how much more dedicated can you get than that?

Tabarnack!

-synthetic

AUH20 posted 11-20-98 07:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for AUH20  Click Here to Email AUH20     
FREE MEDICARE! HELL NO, WE WON'T GO!
jfrazier posted 11-20-98 07:39 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for jfrazier  Click Here to Email jfrazier     
Ok, so we stamp out anything "free", we don't need that kind of socialist atmosphere in here anyway, i guess ...happy AU

As for you Synthetic, I can see you are a natural borne leader. Welcome aboard. Now, what did the 8th decide on the Seperatist issue? Are you guys keeping them on board or giving them there own little island in the middle of Canada? It wouldn't hurt for our little 10th Faction to have some French Seperatist around; keeps us on our toes!

We need a Canadian "Spokesperson" and a Loyal British "spokesperson" to help us ratify.

Jeff
Ceasar of the Stars

Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey posted 11-20-98 09:32 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey  Click Here to Email Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey     
Count me in. I'll serve as the crazy Patton type charachter in this alliance. Just I won't slap soldiers, or use nazis to guard key points in the country I was given control of.

Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general,
YYYH

AUH20 posted 11-20-98 09:34 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for AUH20  Click Here to Email AUH20     
I'll sign up as a civilian politician in some administrative/diplomatic post.
Spoe posted 11-20-98 09:50 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Spoe  Click Here to Email Spoe     
Can I be the "Loyal Opposition"?
CClark posted 11-21-98 02:42 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
jfrazier - it's kind of funny that you should complement Trudeau (whose youngest son was killed in an avalanche last weekend, BTW) and then go on to asy that we should solve the separatist issue.
Lots of people up here (on both sides) figure that half the problem is because of things that Trudeau did! Mind you, we still like him, unlike other former PM's (Brian Mulroney) who we hate because he spent too much time kissing the backside of the USA.

Without a nice, socialist free helath care system, I'm sorry, but the Canadians can't ratify anything. We've got it now and we're not going to give it up easily!

Imran Siddiqui posted 11-21-98 05:28 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Actually CClark, I suggested an alliance, not a sharing of governmental function. Each factions has its own government, the faction leaders join together to discuss war, trade, etc. Soveriegnty is guarunteed.

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

Sofielisk posted 11-21-98 06:24 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Sofielisk  Click Here to Email Sofielisk     
I believe an alliance would be nice... Mostly since we are horribly outnumbered, but we'd have to see what the leader of the Mighty(Poor) New(Old) British(Welsh and English... Where ARE the scots?) Empire(This all depends upon how you define 'empire') says about it.

Sofielisk

IkshahI posted 11-21-98 06:30 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for IkshahI  Click Here to Email IkshahI     
I say we all just Manifest Destiny over to Canada and kill them all!!! j/k
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Imran Siddiqui posted 11-21-98 06:48 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
IkshahI doesn't speak for the rest of the 10th faction. An alliance is welcome, Sofie.

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

WCW posted 11-21-98 08:07 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for WCW  Click Here to Email WCW     
I'm deputy leader of the 8th faction, I don't know if that gives me the richt to say yes or no but it is my opinion that this 8-10-11 alliance is okay. It would also be nice to have the 9th in there too.

WCW

chris

Marquesa posted 11-22-98 12:31 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Marquesa  Click Here to Email Marquesa     
Don't you consider Australia as a friend?

We were even stupid enough to go into Vietnam and help you beat up those pesants who wanted their freedom to govern their own country.
The Poms and Canucks didn't do that.

Imran Siddiqui posted 11-22-98 01:12 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Imran Siddiqui  Click Here to Email Imran Siddiqui     
Well, no one asked. You're the first Aussie to want to be part of an alliance. Are you the only one. Well, then you'd be in the British Empire: Faction 11, so you're welcome here.

Imran Siddiqui
Patriot

Burns posted 11-22-98 06:09 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Burns  Click Here to Email Burns     
I agree, Marquesa, Australia should be accepted...but as our own country, not part of the British Empire, cause after we become a republic, we wont BE part of the British Empire...

Burns

Plasmoid posted 11-22-98 01:12 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Plasmoid  Click Here to Email Plasmoid     
ooo, ooo I want in.
We come from a far, we have travelled from what you call Procyon. WE are the CHMMR. Here is an image of us http://starcontrol.gamestats.com/html/images/chm1_sc2.gif
SnowFire posted 11-22-98 03:19 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
For the record, I'd like to support our friendship with Canada and the UK. We don't like the French and the French-Canadians flagrant violations of civil liberties in Quebec is one of the first things that needs to be stopped: First, Canada, you need to not let them secede; second, you need them to guarantee the English still remaining in Quebec that they won't be forced to put their children in French speaking schools, name their kids French names, get fined for posting sign or menus in their business not in French, etc. Now that that rant is over...

Imran and Jeff, I can assure you that the UN is not some evil idiotic buerocratic organization sent to suck US dollars. My mother worked over in Geneva for 9 years back in the late 60's and early 70's, and they are mostly good honest people. They do little things like regulating and watching nuclear bombs and humanitarian missions. Is that so horrible? Not to mention the World Court is trying Serbian War Criminals. Would you rather hand them to Yugoslavian Courts (Um... we find you guilty. You're sentenced to a fine of 100 American dollars. Don't do it again.)? Also, what happened after the 20's and 30's, a period of American isolationism where teh US didn't participate in the League of Nations, content that the Kellog-Briand Pact had outlawed war so there was nothing to fear?

Aga1 posted 11-22-98 04:41 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aga1  Click Here to Email Aga1     
The Brits do own canada. The Queen is on canadas coins.Canadas army is guarded by the british ahnd the UN dosent recognize canada as a full state it has parial rights.And the British Parliment says what goes in canada and they are the ones who approve canadas constitution. In my view you guys are owned by the british when the queen is not your head of state then you are your own country.
WCW posted 11-22-98 05:38 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for WCW  Click Here to Email WCW     
Aga1:
Canada is a sovereign and free country.
It doesn't need anything to go to Britain to be made law since we got our own constitution in 1982. The Queen is our head of state but all of her responsibilties are given to the Governer-General.
If anything, Canada owns Britain since Canadians own more stocks/have more money invested in Britain than Britain's own in Canada.
Canada is independent.
'UN doesn't recognize that Canada is a full state, only giving it partial rights' how did you come to this conclusion? Starting January 1st,1999, Canada will have ALL of the same rights except for veto power in the UN. Just because Germany doesn't have veto power does that mean it is not an independent country?

WCW

chris

Aga1 posted 11-22-98 05:51 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aga1  Click Here to Email Aga1     
Starting January 1 1999 but right now it has partial rights. And some of canadas taxes do go to Britan.And when ever brittan declares war canada must follow.Also if canada is attacked it will be under the protection of the British army so that way britan must intervine. I dont see that canada is an independent country since the queen is like the president and she could change canadas counstitution any time she wants.And if canada ever wants to change a constitution or add to it brittans parliment must aggre. Quebec wants to be free but it first must be approved by the british parliment not canada.
Marquesa posted 11-22-98 08:11 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Marquesa  Click Here to Email Marquesa     
Burns.
I agree, we do not think of ourselves as part of the British Empire. We are in the same position as Canada.
WCW.
You need to be careful of Governor Generals.
One of ours sacked our Prime Minister when he started getting too cosy with Libya.
Everyone thinks it was the CIA that put the hard word on the Queen to get him to do it.
Roland posted 11-23-98 05:46 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Aga, Canada has the same rights in the UN as every other nation, except for the 5 permanent members of the security council. Canada has the same position as the other 180 or so nations.

Taxes to Britain ? No.

Follow in war ? No, Canada did not fight argentina in the falkland war 1982, for example.

"Also if canada is attacked it will be under the protection of the British army so that way britan must intervine."

That's true, but that's an obligation under NATO.

"I dont see that canada is an independent country since the queen is like the president and she could change canadas counstitution any time she wants."

No, the queen is not like the president. She has almost no powers. And even the (US) president can't change the constitution. The queen can't either. And (since 1982, I think) the british parliament has no more say in canada's constitutional matters.

Why I care ? Well, as an assimiltaed Canadian, it's my civic duty...

MikeH II posted 11-23-98 05:54 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II  Click Here to Email MikeH II     
We don't even have a constitution to change.
Roland posted 11-23-98 07:10 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Mike, you may have no entirely written constitution or no constitution document, but how comes the tories are accusing labour of messing with the constitution ??? Guess just another case of conservative halluzinations...

MikeH II posted 11-23-98 09:32 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II  Click Here to Email MikeH II     
We've got an "unwritten" constitution. How do we find out what's in it? I've got no idea, but you are right that politicians are always accused of breaking it.
Lee Johnson posted 11-23-98 10:24 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Johnson  Click Here to Email Lee Johnson     
Roland, as an assimilated Canadian, you should know that Canada currently holds one of the non-permanent seats on the Security Council.
Roland posted 11-23-98 10:29 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Ehmm.. that had already been mentioned, and I didn't contradict it, I hope...Maybe it's "the same position as all the others" ? Well, practically all members get their non-permanent seat for two years once in a while.

Anyway, it is clear that the security council and the world is a lot better off with a canadian member!!!

Assimilation is beautiful!!!

Lee Johnson posted 11-23-98 10:30 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Johnson  Click Here to Email Lee Johnson     
Aga1, your statements about Canada are so completely separated from reality that I am left to conclude that you are either (a) colossally ignorant, or (b) trolling.
Lee Johnson posted 11-23-98 10:37 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Johnson  Click Here to Email Lee Johnson     
Roland, right you are. This is what happens when you read a thread from the bottom up. :-)
Aga1 posted 11-23-98 05:17 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aga1  Click Here to Email Aga1     
The Constitution of Canada states on the first line that the queen rules canada that makes you part of the british empire which means canada is still owned by brittan.And the british parliment said that canada has the right to ammend the constitution but if they want a whole new one then it is the british parliments job.I also learned something new while reading it qubec was the olny provience that didnt sign it.Dose that givw qubec freedom to become there own country ?ALso Austriala left the british commonwealth a long time ago and they are turning themselfs in there own country they already aggred that they are going to be a republic.Canada is a Fedreal State.
Aga1 posted 11-23-98 05:27 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Aga1  Click Here to Email Aga1     
Incase you were wondering about my gramar skills i am dyslexic and disgraphic.Wich causes my gramar and writing skills to be all messed up
Goopyrazor posted 11-23-98 06:00 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Goopyrazor  Click Here to Email Goopyrazor     
Aga 1

I personally think that your grammar is just a reflection of your trolling nature. Either that or you're just stupid. In either case you have just proven yourself to be an individual of no consequence.

To all other members

I like the idea of Australia joining. We already have a coalition called the ABCA (America, Britain, canada, Australia) in which we are creating doctrine that is used by the four primary english speaking nations of the world.

GoopyRazor

CClark posted 11-23-98 06:24 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
Aga1, please disregard the comment from Goopyrazor. I know a couple of dyslexics and YES (for the rest of you) the writing does reflect that Aga1 has that condition. By no means does it prove that Aga1 is a moron.

That said, I'm kind of curious about where you live Aga1. For some reason, you profile doesn't have so much as an email address.

As for the Canadian Constitution... I've done a bit of reading and it appears that the "confusion" arises from the fact that there is no overriding document that cancels previous documents (dating back to the treaty of Paris).

Therefore, Aga1 is probably right in a literal reading of all the documents that make up our constitution. However, as a citizen of Canada, I can confirm that the Governor General is basically a figurehead. The Queen is ignored in day to day life and no Canadian considers themselves to be a British subject or to be living in a colony.

So, from a letter of the law POV, Aga1 may be right on some points, but from a "what happens on a day to day basis, intent of the laws" POV, Aga1 has read a little too much into things.

Lee Johnson posted 11-23-98 11:00 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Johnson  Click Here to Email Lee Johnson     
"...and no Canadian considers themselves to be a British subject..."

That's good, because as I understand it, we haven't *been* British subjects for some time. Could I march down to the British High Commission tomorrow and demand a British passport? I somehow doubt it.

Aga1 says:

"The Constitution of Canada states on the first line that the queen rules canada that makes you part of the british empire which means canada is still owned by brittan."

No, it makes the Queen the titular ruler of the country. I don't see how the latter part of this sentence necessarily follows from the first part. Especially the crap about ownership.

While we're at it, is there even a "British Empire" anymore? It's the "British Commonwealth" today, where Britain is first among equals. The "IMP." (Imperator) disappeared from Canadian coins a LONG time ago.

One Queen, two countries. Weird, maybe, but that's the way it is. Mark my words: If the monarchy ever tried to directly exert its authority in a way that ran counter to Canada's interests, this country would become a republic so fast, it would make your head spin. Canada is a constitutional monarchy in name only, out of a respect for this country's history and traditions; for all intents and purposes, however, we run our own show. Royal assent, as embodied by the Governor-General, is a rubber stamp.

Ix posted 11-23-98 11:48 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Ix  Click Here to Email Ix     
I am french Canadien and I hate snob British as well as Big fat american fascists.


America, the only nation with both colestherol free food and big fat guys everywhere.

WCW posted 11-24-98 01:49 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for WCW  Click Here to Email WCW     
One of the few reasons that Canada remains a constitutional monarchy,other than respect for history, is to differentiate Canada from
the USA because we are seen pretty much the same otherwise, although we aren't.

WCW

chris

Spoe posted 11-24-98 02:14 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Spoe  Click Here to Email Spoe     
Eh, as I understood it, membership in the Commonwealth mainly makes it easier to get jobs/emigrate to in other Commonwealth members. That, and there's a party for government types to go to when you have a meeting of the members.
Bunch of members, too, 50 some odd members IIRC. Some of the larger members are:
Australia
GB(obviously)
India
Canada
New Zealand
Pakistan
South Africa
Zoetrope posted 11-24-98 04:13 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Zoetrope  Click Here to Email Zoetrope     
Here are some other Commonwealth nations:

1. Nigeria (most populous nation in Africa).
2. About half of the rest of Africa.
3. Large parts of the Caribbean.
4. New Zealand.
5. Fiji.
6. Many other Pacific island nations.
7. Malaysia.
8. Singapore.
9. Brunei (its sultan is Bill Gates's main
rival for world's richest man).
10. Malta.
11. Sri Lanka (Ceylon).
12. Papua New Guinea.
13. Burma (is it still? or is it suspended?).
14. Guyana.
15. Belize.
16. Bangla Desh.

That's several hundred million people.
Add in India, Pakistan, and the others
already mentioned, and Commonwealth
nations comprise about two billion
people, a third of the world.

Someone mentioned Montgomery as a General.
He was from Tasmania (the Australian
island State), like Errol Flynn.

To clarify the stuation regarding migration
in the Commonwealth, we used all (?) to be
British subjects, but then an Englishman
Ted Heath decided that Britain would ditch
its economic ties to the Commonwealth and
join continental Europe instead. So we
lost our British citizenship.

Then to exacerbate matters, Margaret
Thatcher unilaterally created first,
second and third class citizenship,
and relegated many of the remaining
British subjects to third class citizens.
For example, about a million people in Hong Kong were so relegated. She was and is a treasonable [very bad word].

Now citizens of Commonwealth countries
have to line up in the `other foreigners'
queue at British airports; whereas citizens
of Germany, Czechoslovakia, Italy, and
every other European Union country are
waved in as if they were native Britons.

The Commonwealth's sweat and toil, life
and limb, paid for the wealthy elites of Britain to rise from obscurity. Now that
it suits them, they've spurned us in favor
of nations such as France who resent
Britain's very existence.

In practical terms, Britain's Parliament
is its Constitution. What the Parl't votes
for is law, regardless of anything else.
If Westminster decided to abolish the
Monarchy, the Queen couldn't do a thing
about it. She has no power at all in
Britain.

Also, before Americans get too proud about their independence, they should remember that
most of their common law is inherited from
18th century British courts, and that America
and the Commonwealth continue to share each
others' legal recedents. So as the Common Law of Britain, Canada and Australia changes, it continues to apply in America too! And vice versa.

So who's independent? Legally noone is fully independent.

Likewise in economics. The global market, with trillions of dollars being invested in
and withdrawn from the world's nations every day, makes even the US Reserve largely powerless.

Roland posted 11-24-98 05:24 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
I'm not sure about the canadian constitution, but it may be as confusing as the US one with its amendments. If you read Art I to VII, then slavery is not abolished, and the runner-up in presedential elections becomes vize-president (Clinton-Dole ? funny idea). All these things are in the text, but derogated by the amendments.

Zoetrope, your profile say you're a lecturer. Which filed ? History, politics ? Just curious...

CClark posted 11-24-98 11:29 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark  Click Here to Email CClark     
If anyone is REALLY interested in the Canadian "Constitution" (or rather, the collection of documents and Acts (similar to amendments) that comprise it) then you can check out this link:

http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English/

I haven't read most of it, but skimmed enough to make my previous post. Seeing as how some people here are more interested in politics than I am, I thought I'd post it for their benefit.

Roland posted 11-24-98 11:50 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Roland  Click Here to Email Roland     
Thanks for the link. The Canadian constitution is almost as complex and confusing as the Austrian one or the EU treaties - "sincere congratulations" (firaxis).

And on that site, they are using quotes - Seneca and Galilei. This seems to be a canadian obsession, I like it.

To add something useful: a first look confirms the reading of CClark, me and others...

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