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| Author | Topic: SMACER of the Year |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-19-98 06:41 PM ET  
Well, we had "Thread of the Year" in the old forums, and now with the year winding up, I'm suggesting SMACer of the year. Who's contributed most to the boards? Who knows the most about SMAC? Who do we all like? Nominate two people and explain why. No fair nominating yourself. Only nominate someone once. So don't nominate someone who has already been nominated. I nominate Thomas A. Stobie and Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey. They've both spoken much about SMAC and other topics, they fought on opposite sides of a civil war, leading their respective sides, and they didn't run off and abandon us in the name of something as foolish as love(Greg...). |
| Larry Boy |
posted 11-19-98 08:01 PM ET
I'm gonna have to give up a nomination for good 'ol Brother Greg. He compiled all that info for us on SMAC, good job Greggy. Plus, he contributes to a truckload of forums, even the wacked out off topic ones that I like. (-8 And hey, lemme also give up a round of applause for Stobie and YYYH *CLAP CLAP CLAP!* Good job guyz! |
| Apocalypse |
posted 11-19-98 08:36 PM ET
Strange YYYH, the person who started the totally non-SMAC topics, was nominated because he has spoken a lot about SMAC  I nominate Irman because he has been around since June and is still a regular poster. |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-19-98 08:45 PM ET
I am appauled by the lack of an amazing poster. Apocalypse has been here since, well forever. He has contributed much, and also it didn't hurt that he nominated me  .Imran Siddiqui |
| Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey |
posted 11-19-98 09:03 PM ET
Well he did say about SMAC & *other stuff*. Pretty much the other stuff, but I speak a little about SMAC, not much for me to say about it though. As always, I'm flattered by your nomination of me Au, & thanks for the applause Larry Boy. Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, |
| SnowFire |
posted 11-19-98 09:44 PM ET
I'll second TAS as best SMACER. Maybe we should have two categories, best on-topic and best general. TAS would probably be a lock for best on-topic, and there would be quite a fight for the best "General Stuff" poster that includes everything. |
| DHE_X2 |
posted 11-19-98 10:21 PM ET
I'd have to say that Stobie would be the poster of the year. To bad all of the info he posted is lost. |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-19-98 10:27 PM ET
I'd have to vote for Stobie too. |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-20-98 12:12 AM ET
Although I like Thomas (why is that hard to believe), I'm going with YYYH on this one. Sure he's been off-topic, but that's what this board has been. That's what pulled together a community. Imran Siddiqui |
| Brother Greg |
posted 11-20-98 12:51 AM ET
I think they're just after nominations here, not voting yet. That'll come later. So, just nominate people, don't get into discussions (yet) about the relevant merits of those same people. I nominate MikeH and jsorense. Brother Greg. |
| Gord McLeod |
posted 11-20-98 01:16 AM ET
I'll have to go with nominating Brother Greg for being such a valuable member of the boards (and he did return to us eventually guys...) and Brenda for her insightful posts and all that work she put into modeling the Alpha Centauri system in POVRay. |
| Brother Greg |
posted 11-20-98 01:23 AM ET
Actually, I would like to nominate Maya as well, for her informative posts, and the fact that she rarely (if ever) flames anyone. Sarcasm, yes, flames, no. Sounds like the sorta girl I shoulda met back in High School. Hmm, can you nominate three people? Brother Greg. |
| Jeje |
posted 11-20-98 02:35 AM ET
OK, this is still nominates. (So my favorite will be secret )My second nomine goes to someone who hasn't been here for very long, but has given many good comments. I suggest Tapiolan poika. (He also has the best nickname |
| WAS |
posted 11-20-98 02:40 AM ET
Here are a couple of old timers for you, Venom and Jason Beaudoin. May I also suggest instead of having just one category, SMACer of the year,how about many categories. Such as: Lurker of the year We could set up one person as the vote counter/announcer. Votes could be sent via E-mail (secret ballot) one vote per category and around mid December we could have the First Annual SMAC Awards. We could e-mail certificates to the winners. This might help the time till Dec pass quicker. How's that for an idea....... or should I shut up? |
| Brother Greg |
posted 11-20-98 02:48 AM ET
I like the idea. Don't forget the biggest A-Hole award. And we should nominate WAS of course, he's been around for ages... Brother Greg. |
| MikeH II |
posted 11-20-98 05:51 AM ET
Thanks Greg, I was going to nominate you anyway so I will. |
| WAS |
posted 11-20-98 10:12 AM ET
OK Lets get your ideas for categories.Give the name of the category and a brief explanation (if it's not obvious) Are there any volunteers for a coordinator? |
| MikeH II |
posted 11-20-98 10:20 AM ET
I say we use your categories. Any more will be too complicated. Set up a thread for each one. One at a time. Leave them for a day then tally up the results. |
| dushan |
posted 11-20-98 10:40 AM ET
Don't you think it would be better to do it by email (as suggested originally?) As to the list of categories, how on Earth are we going to find the best lurker? :-) I think before anything else goes ahead, we should finalise the categories. If no one has anything to add after a day, then we post a thread with the categories, rules and the email of the organiser (I don't think I qualify for any of the categories, so if no one else wants to do this & we agree on the email vote, I volunteer to count it). Please don't start the category threads just yet, there might be better suggestions no one has thought of yet, and some are a bit doubtful (sorry WAS Dushan |
| Octopus |
posted 11-20-98 12:36 PM ET
If you are going to vote on best Hiver, Morganite, etc., would the voting be open to everybody, or would only other Hivers, Morganites, etc. be allowed to vote on their own factional favorites? If you are going to vote on most posts, are you going to disregard double posts and nexus spamming? What about grey areas between on-topic and off-topic posts (e.g. I thought atheism vs. theism was off-topic until Miriam and Saratov, uh, Zakharov, got into it)? |
| dushan |
posted 11-20-98 12:43 PM ET
We can either take number of posts from profiles, but that's not a vote. If we'll vote, than people will vote for the person with the strongest presence. That will obviously exclude double posting and such. I think we're talking here about who made the biggest impression on the people, not simple statistics. Dushan |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-20-98 12:46 PM ET
Hell, if we're going to nominate more than two people I'm nominating outlyr242 for being such a great generator. |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-20-98 12:47 PM ET
I mean janitor. How the hell did I get generator? How about: |
| jsorense |
posted 11-20-98 01:09 PM ET
Well, personally I think jsorense is a no-talent wind bag, chauvinistic neo-Californian, politically incorrect know-nothing, asocial pervert and off topic poster who should be strung up, keel-hauled, drawn and quartered, killed, turned over to the Spanish Inquisition, then killed again! For SMACer of the year I would nominate Brother Greg and Thomas A. Stobie,. I would also give honorable mention to The DirectorGeneral, MikeH, Roland, and Brenda. BTW, thanks Greg. I didn't think anyone noticed me here. |
| WAS |
posted 11-20-98 01:13 PM ET
I agree with dushan, lets not get down to actual numbers, but more who has contributed the most. As to the doubtfullness of some (or all) of my categories, I was just tring to plant the idea. I agree it would be tough to determine the Best Lurker, but other people might have some good nominations. I think it would be more of an actual "election" (which is what the Oscars& the Emmies are) if the ballot was secret. If dushan wants to run with this, I say Let the SMAC Awards begin! |
| dushan |
posted 11-20-98 01:25 PM ET
Ok. As I said, let's leave this thread for a while for people to suggest new categories. What we can do next is create a thread with a numbered list of ALL the suggested categories. Anyone who has a nomination for some category states it with the nomination's number in that thread. Categories that will have less then say 3 nominations fall out After that step I'll create a summarising thread, with all the nominees & my email address. Then we'll just sit & wait and after a couple of days I'll post the results. SO: All the suggested categories are going ahead, if they'll have enough nominations. I need some confirmation of this from at least a couple of you guys so that I'm not wasting my time with something nobody wants. Also, I need you to ok the minimum number of nominees for a category to go ahead (currently 3) and the time allowed for voting to go on (3 days? Week? Or wait for at least N votes?) Dushan |
| WAS |
posted 11-20-98 03:58 PM ET
It might be nice to coordinate the award annoucements so they come out just prior to the demo's release. WAS |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-20-98 04:49 PM ET
ummm .. I nominate Sid Meier, Brian Reynolds and Mike Ely !!! |
| dushan |
posted 11-20-98 06:48 PM ET
Ok guys, it's almost bed time here in uk, I'm leaving this thread here for you to suggest any additional categories. As I had no confirmation or oposition to my suggestions, unless someones objects by tomorrow (21/11) 12:00 GMT I will take all the suggested categories from this thread and start a new nomination thread. Please don't nominate in this thread as we need category related nominations. WAS-yep, you're right. I also thought about some nice way of releasing the results (if we ever get to that stage), and we probably need someone with style, wit and charm (like Maya :-)) who would have time to write an interesting post with the results. However my worry is that if we spend ages discussing everything we won't be done before the demo comes out. No one objected to the first phase, so let's go ahead and while the votes are collected we can discuss the finale. So the deadline for categories is set (though I think we have enough), tomorrow you can start nominating. Dushan |
| Saint Randerolf |
posted 11-21-98 04:39 PM ET
I agree with jsorense ,but I must give Special mention to YYYH for giving so much of his time to the bords and to Bro. Greg for being fair and nice. Indeed, since loged on the message boards, I ahve had a blast. Thanks to every one. God bless Sister Miriam and paladins willing to fight. |
| Saint Randerolf |
posted 11-21-98 04:43 PM ET
Sorry let me clarify that a little. I agree with jsorense, but I must give Special mention to YYYH for giving so Indeed, since I logged on the message boards, I have had a blast. Thanks to every one. God bless Sister Miriam and paladins willing to fight. |
| NotLikeTea |
posted 11-21-98 06:38 PM ET
I'd like to nominate Spoe. Not as many posts as others, but always coherent, well thought out, and interesting to read. Certainly jighest quality of posts, if not quantity. |
| jsorense |
posted 11-23-98 02:19 PM ET
Ummmmm, Saint Randerolf, Exactly which part of my post are you agreeing with; The "no-talent wind bag" part or the "keel-hauled and killed" part? Inquiring minds want to know. |
| Firehawk |
posted 11-23-98 03:47 PM ET
I'd like to nominate Larry Boy for being the best religious crusader on the board. Actually, I'm an atheist, but I like to consider myself open-minded, and I appreciate any well-thought arguments, no matter whose side they are from. Maybe his actual number of posts isn't as high as...can we say TAS?...but they are all well-written and thought-provoking. |
| Saint Randerolf |
posted 11-23-98 06:59 PM ET
LoL Your nominations jsorense God bless Sister Miriam and paladins willing to fight. |
| SnowFire |
posted 11-23-98 07:36 PM ET
For Best Conservative of the Year I suggest AUH20 and Imran fight to the death, and then myself and ZanThrax can come finish off the winner. If that's a tad, um, harsh, than I suggest everyone's two favorite conservatives to get some moderate conservatives (YYYH?) to vote for who the better one is among them. I nominate Rang and Brother Greg for Best PKer. I'll give my nomination for best Gaian to Solfiesk. Best Believer: Jsorense and Saint Rederwolf. Best UoPer: JB, or whoever "Raymond" is. Best Hivester: Seely Best Spartan: MikeH and YYYH, I'll let the dust settle in the voting. (I know who I would vote for! But I'm not saying!) Best Morganite: Imran, he was in the story! |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-23-98 07:41 PM ET
I say we nominate SnowFire for best Gaian. |
| Firehawk |
posted 11-24-98 03:24 PM ET
I nominate Octopus for best Hivester. His views are rather conservative compared to Seely and my Borg view, but that could be considered a positive because it makes the Hive appeal more to the common people. |
| Talon |
posted 11-24-98 05:16 PM ET
Ok here goes: Lurker of the year: Silent Bob Club of the year:Brotherhood of Sid The Centurian Award: The Alpha Award:what's this for? Spartan of the year:Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey Morganite of the year:Imran Siddiqui Peacekeeper of the year:Brother Greg Believer of the year:Saint Renderwolf Hiver of the year: Octapus Gaian of the year: Is there actually someone who is a gaian? UoPer of the year:JB Best on topic post:? Best off Topic Post:/Brotherhood of Sid 1-3 Most Posts:YYYH Best SMACer:Imran Siddiqui ------------------------------------------- How about adding best newbie as a category? -Talon |
| Venom |
posted 11-24-98 05:18 PM ET
I would like to thank WAS for nominating me and damn the rest of you for forgetting me. |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-24-98 05:58 PM ET
Talon, I thank you. You seem to be in agreement with Apoc. on nominating me for SMACer of the year. To fill in some of your blanks. Gaian of the year: Maya (?), Snowfire Some changes. That is all. Imran Siddiqui |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-24-98 06:01 PM ET
Oh, I nominate no SMACer of the year, but people who deserve it: Apocalypse Imran Siddiqui |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-24-98 11:01 PM ET
Well, I've ignored this thread for far too long it seems. You all have gotten all the way to nominations and everything (I noticed that I wasn't mentioned once, I suppose that means I could be "jack of trades and master of none", but that may be inacurate, who knows). Anyways, my nominations:
Defenders of the Faith Awards: Most Long-Winded: Arnelos That about wraps it up. I may have more category ideas. |
| Octopus |
posted 11-24-98 11:30 PM ET
I'd like to propose the "best tagline" category, and nominate the DirectorGeneral ("from the desk of the DirectorGeneral"). Honorable mention to DCA for always coming up with something new and amusing. Perhaps the "Best non-SMAC thread" category should be split, so that threads like the Atheism/Religion threads aren't competing with the less serious threads. All of my other nominations have already been made by other people, so I won't bother seconding them. |
| Spoe |
posted 11-24-98 11:44 PM ET
Best On-Topic Thread: Have to go back to the old boards for these. The fusion efficiency thread. Alpha Centauri: The System and the Story. (Ok, so two of these are somewhat on topic. Most Vocal Real Life Atheist: Maya or JB Most Offensive American: Domk Most Offensive Non-American: Domk Best UoP: JB, or myself(with utmost humility. Been a while, but look back at the drive discussions, FTL proposals, system facts. Both JB and myself were in those a good bit.) Most Long Winded -- Joint award to the 8th faction. :P |
| DHE_X2 |
posted 11-25-98 12:34 AM ET
Most ancient poster: ??? Most off topic: DHE Best quotes about some kind of atheist cosmic philosophy: Maya Most annoying poster: DHE Most likely to kill for Smac: uhh, thats a toughy Most Nimlike: Brother Greg Most likely to become a bum: DHE |
| SnowFire |
posted 11-25-98 01:20 AM ET
While I thank AUH20 for being teh ONLY person to nominate me, I'm not really a Gaian. I argue their points, and wrote for them in the RCFH, and agree with many of their philosophies, I'm more of an undecided. Still, since there isn't much competition, I'd be happy to take the best Gaian trophy of voting ever starts. Some nominations of mine (no bias here): Best impersonation of Sid Meier: SnowFire I second DCA's best tagline nomination, and Imran's "most people ticked off" nomination. After all, he kept on trying to kill my Order of the Violet Shroud! But each time he wrote of its death, I wrote of its escape! Muahaha, I wouldn't be subverted by the tricks he used to kill Morgan. |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-25-98 10:46 AM ET
I can't for the life of me believe I didn't get nominated for most argumentative Athiest of the year or just Athiest of the year !!! LOL ... I guess someone didn't read earlier threads on abortion and religion and the dreaded "People who thing abortion doctors should be shot" threads !!! |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-25-98 10:47 AM ET
BTW .. I actually miss my debates with LarryBoy !!! |
| Fluke |
posted 11-25-98 01:52 PM ET
I just wanna know who's the most ancient SMAC'er. Brenda, Greg, Venom, Apocalypse, YYYH, or who? (sorry if I am totally wrong) |
| jsorense |
posted 11-25-98 02:11 PM ET
Fluke: If I recall correctly, I first started seeing Brother Greg posting on the old Friaxis Games "General Comments" forum about a year ago (please correct me if I am wrong, Greg). There were discussions and speculations about SMAC and what kind of features it should include. This discussion continued in earnest when Firaxis began a separate A.C. forum where many aspects of game play and the manual were discussed and debated. I do not recall seeing any of the other posters you mention on either of those forums. However, I could be wrong and they may have also been lurkers there. |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-25-98 05:03 PM ET
I thank Arnelos for nominating me for three catagories. Most People Pissed off (I'm most proud of this ), SMACer of the year (another one, yeah!), and Morganite of the year (have I won this one yet?). For most ancient SMACer, I think probably Brother Greg, Venom or Apocalypse. All three cam before me. Don't forget about Rang as well. YYYH came on July, a month after me.Imran Siddiqui |
| DHE_X2 |
posted 11-25-98 07:22 PM ET
How about most argumentative theist? It'd have to be Larry Boy, or (possibly) Me. |
| SnowFire |
posted 11-25-98 10:51 PM ET
I'd like to nominate Rang for the Stobie award, as he has best kept the on topic threads alive with his steady stream of intelligent ideas. Good work in taking up TAS's old mantle! |
| WAS |
posted 11-26-98 03:25 AM ET
Here go mine. This was very hard to do because everybody on this board deserves an award for there participation (if not for their patience!). Lurker: Brenda Other Topics |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-26-98 03:34 AM ET
LMAO ... Maya's no poet .. at least as far as I know !!! She's too rational to be a poet if you ask me !!! Anyways, I do nominate her for best quotes !!! Although, I can't even think of who would be 2nd in that catagory !!! |
| WAS |
posted 11-26-98 03:38 AM ET
Also another nomination to DJ RRebel for starting the most Threads WAS |
| tOFfGI |
posted 11-26-98 04:42 AM ET
Best Originator of SMAC Threads: TAS Best Homepage: outlyr242 Best? Conservative: AUH20 Most annoying: Rang Best thread: The Politically Incorrect Club XXXX Most Pointless thread: Vodka of the Future Oh, BTW, Arnelos, I'm the vocal real-life socialist... |
| Roland |
posted 11-26-98 06:42 AM ET
Let's see... Jsorense: "I would also give honorable mention to The DirectorGeneral, MikeH, Roland, and Brenda." Arnelos: "Peacekeeper of the year: Brother Greg, although I should nominate RyanR, Roland." What ? Just one nomination and one honarary mention ? With my number of posts ? So I gotta make my own categories... 1. Worst nr of posts/impact ratio (obviously - anyone want to compete ?) 2. Most forgotten fossile (hey, I was there way back discussing beer with brother Greg) 3. Best assimilation (I should be the only one in this category) 4. Best non-native-english-speaker poet (again the only one, I think) 5. Best Austrian (again the only one) 6. Inventer of most useless SMAC awards categories. Hey, when will the "serious" categories be defined (for more serious nominations...) ??? Ah yes, one suggestion: best allround-poster ? |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-26-98 06:42 AM ET
Actually, WAS, the reason it seams I have so many, is because for some reason or another, I've noticed my threads have been more agresively targeted by the evil nexii !!!  I don't know why ??? I've started many off-topic threads, but most if not all of them have been relavant to our lil community here !!! I've also started many on-topic threads too, I think it's important to keep a proper balance !!! It would also seem ogical that the person who has the most threads also has the most posts .. (At least since the great wa-bang) !!! Anyways .. I hope you all enjoy my topics, and find them at least intellectually stimulating if you don't agree with them !!! OK .. enough of the moshy stuff !!! When are the awards anyways ??? |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-26-98 07:07 AM ET
Roland >>> I'll give you the "least stuck-up award" on the grounds of your ability to search out truth !!! (Like the fact that the 8th Faction is the best) !!! |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-26-98 07:10 AM ET
Roland .. LOL .. don't feel bad ... I anly just now got my first nomination by WAS !!!  And I have over 700 posts in this new forum !!!Hey we had two simultanious posts before !!! Cool !!! |
| Roland |
posted 11-26-98 11:27 AM ET
I hereby nominate DJ and me for best simultaneous posting! Hey, a final vote (I think someone was ready to take the burden and count votes via e-mail) would be fun. Who was to set the categories ? |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-26-98 11:37 AM ET
I also nominate Roland and I for greatest minds here in the forum .. since we think alike !!! In fact Roland is an assimilated Canadian, so not only do we think alike but we share the same thoughts !!! |
| Gord McLeod |
posted 11-26-98 03:06 PM ET
Roland, I'll put myself in the running for the most forgotten fossil, I think... :-) You probably predate me here in the forums though, so if that disqualifies me, so be it. |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-26-98 03:16 PM ET
Whoops!! Adding to my nominees for who deserves to be best SMACer: Roland (sorry, venerable one, from one vet to another, accept my apologies. Hey remember it took me a while to be recognized in this thread, and now I have three SMACer of the year nominations. Just wait!) Imran Siddiqui |
| CClark |
posted 11-26-98 03:47 PM ET
For most gratuitious use of smilies, I think it goes without saying: DJ RRebel. |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-26-98 06:05 PM ET
I'm still mad at Rang for those PC threads. I vote for Imran as SMACer of the year. |
| WAS |
posted 11-27-98 12:53 AM ET
I thought dushan was going to tally and post the nominations, but I have not seen him around the boards much lately. I have not been nominated for any of the categories, so I would be happy to start a thread with my e-mail address and take the votes. Are there any objections? |
| tOFfGI |
posted 11-27-98 06:01 AM ET
I'm a bit surprised that I actually was nominated for something, though I suppose being referred to as: "OtH? (I don't remember how to spell it, the guy from Stockholm)" is not much of an achievment. Anyway, Here is my list of Additional Nominees: Most American: Imran Siddiqui Smacker of the Year: Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey |
| MikeH II |
posted 11-27-98 07:31 AM ET
Damn Tolls gets most Brittish. I was hoping for that one. |
| Tolls |
posted 11-27-98 07:52 AM ET
You'll have to go for "Most English", Mike... |
| MikeH II |
posted 11-27-98 07:58 AM ET
Can I count that as a nomination? I'll start my case buy mentioning how unlucky England were to have the First Ashes Test rained off just as the much vaunted middle order were about to win it with a superb batting display. |
| Tolls |
posted 11-27-98 08:04 AM ET
Oh. alright...you can have that as a nomination... Yeah...we wuz robbed! (I wonder if Brother Greg's got anything to say about this?) |
| Boskone on Toast |
posted 11-27-98 10:23 AM ET
Can I nominate Red Dog for a very obvious award. BOT |
| MikeH II |
posted 11-27-98 10:44 AM ET
I was mentioning it in the hope Brother Greg would see it. Still I never thought it would be 0-0 after the first test. Let's hope it continues like this. |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-27-98 12:21 PM ET
I like to nominate CClark for most underated SMACER !!! And WAS for the Best past tense SMACer !!! & Gord McLoad being the SMACer with nickname associate with the most annoying person !!! (Isn't that Don Cherry's sidekick's name ???) |
| dushan |
posted 11-27-98 12:48 PM ET
WAS: I'm still willing to do the email vote. I'm still around, I was just too busy recently to post. My previous attempts to organise this failed quite miserably :-) I wanted to create a separate thread for the nominations, but this one seems to have worked ok for both: category suggestions and nominations. I think we've got enough info to compile a final voting list. I can find some time to do this, but I'd really like to know that someone is interested. Dushan |
| Borodino |
posted 11-27-98 10:53 PM ET
What! No category for best servant of the Great and Mighty Transcended Ones of Olympus? [Such as a certain lowly and humble paladin/spellweaver?] I second all nominations, especially jsorense, YYYH, TAS, and the DG. |
| WAS |
posted 11-27-98 11:19 PM ET
dushan go ahead and do the thread with the nominations,I think every one is interested in casting a vote on this. Also if you need any help (get my e-mail address from my profile) and let me know (DJ, Thanks for the nomination) |
| Octopus |
posted 11-27-98 11:40 PM ET
We need to vote on which categories will actually be voted on. Here are the proposed categories that I have seen: (apologies to any I've missed. I've tried to include only categories people thought should ACTUALLY be categories, not just jokes). SMACer of the Year What now? Here's what I propose: We should vote on whether or not each of these categories should be kept. A nomination into any one of these categories is considered a vote for that category, unless you say otherwise. If you feel a category should not exist, post and say so. If you have no opinion, don't choose arbitrarily. I'm believe that some of thse will drop off the map by people voting "I don't like that category". If there are still too many after that we will narrow it down to only the more popular categories. [this is still just my proposal] After a few days of this, we will have determined which categories are to actually be voted on. At that time, I (or anyone else who cares) will start a thread with a title that is the name of the category. This thread will be open for any "speeches" in support or opposition. I also think that voting could go on in these threads. I don't think a secret ballot is really necessary, since I don't think anyone will take real offense at being voted against. I think that once we narrow the categories down to about 20 or so, voting can begin. |
| Octopus |
posted 11-27-98 11:50 PM ET
Here are my award preferences (for the awards themselves, not who should get them!): Awards I like: Awards I dislike: I am neutral on the others. |
| LordAsmo |
posted 11-28-98 01:07 AM ET
I know this is kinda late to say but simply put TAS is the god of posting |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 03:15 AM ET
My vote is to keep all existing categories on the list. |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 04:13 AM ET
Ok, what's been nominated so far and who's been nominated for it: SMACer of the Year: TAS, YYYH, Brother Greg, Imran Siddiqui, Apocalypse, MikeH, jsorense, Tapiolan poika, Director General, Roland, Brenda, Spoe, Venom Make any and all additions to the list of nominations and nomination areas, I will keep a running list. I may write a webpage to keep track of the running total to make things easier. Arnelos |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 04:54 AM ET
Ok, the webpage is http://members.aol.com/arnelos/smacer.html My e-mail address (until December 19th) is [email protected] PLEASE say what your SMAC handle is when you submit anything by e-mail, thanks. |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-28-98 09:57 AM ET
Why are you guys rushing things so fast ??? Personally, I think we should keep every category so far, even the joke ones !!! I also think the nominations should go straight through till Dec 19th !!! Then we can slowly vote between the demo and the full release !!! I don't know about you guys, but I'm having fun with thinking of new catagories for now ... what's the rush anyways ??? I also take somewhat offence to the "american/non-american" catagories .. there were many nominations for other countries too ... you can't just put the whole rest of the world in one catagory !!! I'd also like to nominate myself for a new catagory: SMACer most inclined to use a custom faction & SMACer responsible for making people think beyond the 7 basic factions !!! Anyways, that's just my opinion ... we should take our time with this !!! It's fun !!! |
| Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey |
posted 11-28-98 12:40 PM ET
I say we keep all the categories we have now, even the joke ones. The more we have, the better chance someone has of getting voted in, so less people will feel left out. I also like some of the joke ones. I'd like to nominate TAS & Apoc for trying hardest to keep us on-topic. Your faithful & hell-bent NIMadier general, |
| dushan |
posted 11-28-98 01:54 PM ET
I agree with you DJ and YYYH about not rushing it, but I'm not sure about the number of categories. If there's too much, I'm afraid that many people won't vote. I suggest that we keep 7-12 categories with most nominations. Arnelos, are you doing the email vote? I don't know if it's just me, but this is getting a bit confusing. :-) |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 02:24 PM ET
Fine with me. I'm not going to go all the way back through the entire thread to pick up all the categories I missed, so repeat any (and nominations). I'll try to keep track of everything (and post it at members.aol.com/arnelos/smacer.html). I'd be more than willing to handle votes, but if dushan wants it, I'm more than willing to let him (as long as votes take place before December 19th I'm fine with it. If it's after December 19th. . .well, I may be a bit distracted, maybe dushan could do it) Arnelos |
| Octopus |
posted 11-28-98 03:25 PM ET
If we keep coming up with categories it is going to get ridiculous. I think we should narrow things down to around ten or so (although just freezing the current awards list would be acceptable to me), and then people should just put some thought into it. I think that the awards would be a lot more meaningful if people knew that they won them because their fellow SMACers respected them and their posts, not because somebody had crafted an award that only they could win. Do I hear any nominations for the "best username that reminds you of a sea creature" award? DJ RRebel: I'm in no rush, but it seems like a lot of people want to move on to the voting, and very few new nominations for old categories are coming in. I think that things will go a lot more smoothly if somebody tries to impose a little order on this since the thread is kind of hard to follow, which is what I tried to begin, and what Arnelos has continued admirably. Good job, Arnelos! I still say that an e-mail vote is not necessary. If we just post our votes in a thread, then nobody will be swamped with work. If Arnelos and dushan want to fight over the extra workload, though, I guess that's their business |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-28-98 03:34 PM ET
I disagree on some of the nominations as stated by Arnelos. For The Alpha Award, most ancient, YYYH should not be added since he came later than most of the 1st generation veterns. He was a July kid, I came in in June. Also, Brian Reynolds Baises Ruthless/Idealistic is an on-topic thread not an off-topic. It dealt with the labeling of beliefs in the game. Also, I refuse to be nominated in catagories with Red Dog and Domk. They pissed me off!! So they win! I will not be associated with their kind! That is all. Imran Siddiqui |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 04:20 PM ET
All I did was look at every single nomination that I could find on the entire thread for the awards that were listed. So YYYH is on there because someone actually nominated him. I did notice your post Imran about when YYYH came, but YYYH hasn't responded at all. So I just threw it in there (I figure he wouln't win a vote if he wasn't really first, so who cares?) As for e-mail voting, well, it would be useful. It would make this whole thing a whole lot easier to handle. I decided to list what had been nominated just for my own records, I decided to post it for mutual benifit. The thread is starting to get REAL LONG and I didn't want to have to remember what all had been posted (or sift through the entire thread). So, doesn't matter to me, I just built the list for the purpose of having SOMETHING to look at for an overall list. |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-28-98 04:22 PM ET
I agree with you Imran that Red Dog and Domk deserve those awards and putting on there with them could possibly be construed as an insult to you. For this reason, I guess we might take you off since I agree that Red Dog and Domk are certainly much more likely to win anyway :-) |
| AUH20 |
posted 11-28-98 09:05 PM ET
I wouldn't mind being Best Capitalist-I mean I'm pretty capitalistic, having argued for the moral and practical supremacy of the system. |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-29-98 10:30 AM ET
You guys are taking this way out of proportions ... this is supposed to be fun remember ??? |
| Arnelos |
posted 11-29-98 05:01 PM ET
Who says actually voting on this stuff and posting results wouldn't be fun? |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 11-29-98 07:06 PM ET
Voting and Posting is always fun, just figuring out how to do it, sucks! Imran Siddiqui |
| Octopus |
posted 11-30-98 12:39 PM ET
I nominate Roland for Defender of the Faith (PK). Roland carried the anti-Hive torch for a while in "the Spartan Problem". |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 11-30-98 12:43 PM ET
I have no clue what you're talking about, but I second that motion ... Roland rocks !!! |
| Roland |
posted 11-30-98 12:44 PM ET
Gee, thanx. I support your nomination for the hive defender of the... ehmm... doctrine ? I'd have loved to continue it, but the guerilla style posting was against my principles... |
| Octopus |
posted 12-01-98 11:35 PM ET
Besides my nomination for Roland, there hasn't been any action in this thread for three days. I believe that it is time to move on to the next stage, if we're still serious about this. Does anybody object to in-forum voting (i.e. do you want to do an e-mail vote instead)? |
| Brother Greg |
posted 12-01-98 11:42 PM ET
I think email would be better. Otherwise we'd have people posting running counts and the like. Plus it would be pretty hard to close the thread after all the posts were counted. People'd be posting in it after we posted results, etc. But I'll go with the flow... Brother Greg. |
| Octopus |
posted 12-02-98 12:03 AM ET
"People'd be posting in it after we posted results, etc." Well, the flip-side to that is that nobody will feel left out if they miss any deadlines. If one person is named as the sole "vote tallying guy", (I wouldn't mind doing it, but I don't really care who does it) then the clutter and distraction could be kept to a minimum. "But I'll go with the flow..." I'd like to go with the flow too, I just want somebody to tell me what the flow is |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 12-02-98 12:52 AM ET
I do like the email thing. However, we'd need someone, who will remove himself or herself from any awards, just to be fair I think. Or, you can have two judges. Both verify, so their won't be cheating. So sue me, I'm a pessimist and pragmatist. Imran Siddiqui |
| Octopus |
posted 12-02-98 01:05 AM ET
The only reasons I can think of for having a secret (e-mail) ballot is so that either 1) nobody knows who you voted for, or 2) you don't know who voted for or against you (or a combination). Personally, I don't see why either of those matter for these awards (but feel free to disagree). The big advantage of voting within the forums are that there cannot be any fraud (unless someone registers twice, and that ought to be mighty suspicious, since somebody who had never posted before would be voting, and would never post again). In addition, nobody is singled out to do extra work (I imagine it might get difficult to sort through all of the e-mail and properly categorize it). The second advantage is probably the more compelling, since anyone who would organize some sort of voting fraud over the SMACer of the year award probably needs some medical help .The primary purpose of this post is to keep the thread near the top so that everyone thinks something exciting is happening in here, and voices their opinion. |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:10 AM ET
I don't think you have to remove yourself from award taking to count the votes. Afterall, I'm more than willing to take the *crushing blow* (ok, not really, I could care less whether I get elected as anything) of the votes I have received so far by e-mail. Yes, people have already started sending e-mail votes to me (even though I only asked for nominations). Given this (and the fact that I'm going to update my site right after I post this message), I'll take up the voting thing. e-mail to vote: [email protected] (BTW, any new nominations can be made in voting). The current list of nominations is as follows: SMACer of the Year: Thomas A Stobie, Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey, Brother Greg, Imran Siddiqui, Apocalypse, MikeH, jsorense, Tapiolan poika, Director General, Roland, Brenda, Spoe, Venom Lurker of the Year: Silent Bob Club of the year: Brotherhood of Sid, I Club. The Politically Incorrect Club XXX The Centurian Award (person who has done the most for the advancement of SMAC): Thomas A Stobie The Alpha Award (most ancient?): Brenda, Brother Greg, Apocalypse, Venom, Rang, Jsorense, LDespot, Roland, The Director General Spartan of the year: MikeH, Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey, Venom Morganite of the year: Imran Siddiqui, AUH20 Peacekeeper of the year: Rang, Brother Greg, Arnelos Hivester of the year: Seely, Octopus Gaian of the year: Solfiesk, Snowfire Believer of the year: Jsorense, Saint Renderwolf UoPer of the year: JB, Spoe Best on topic post: Thomas A Stobie, Spoe Best off Topic Post: DHE, Arnelos, Larry Boy Best on topic thread: CoFH, Faction Propoganda, The various technology discussions on the old boards, Alpha Centauri: The System and the Story, Brain Best off topic thread: BoS, Myers-Briggs for Faction Leaders, Religion III, Capitalism vs- Socialism, The fusion efficiency thread. Most Posts: Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey, DJ RRebel, Roland SMACer you would love to Smack: Domk, Rang, Red Dog Conservative of the Year: AUH20, Imran Siddiqui Liberal/Libertarian of the year: Liberal (mild Socialist) of the year: Got the most people pissed off: Red Dog, Domk Internationalist of the Year: Arnelos Nationalist of the Year: Imran Siddiqui Most Vocal Real-life Believer: Larry Boy, DHE Most Vocal Real-life Atheist: Maya, JB, DJ RRebel Most Vocal Real-life Socialist: tOFfGI, MikeH Most Vocal Real-life Capitalist: Arnelos, AUH20 Most Offensive Non-American: Domk(?), Tapiolan poika, lx Most Offensive American: Imran Siddiqui, Domk(?) Most Conciliatory Non-American: Brother Greg Most Conciliatory American: Arnelos Defenders of the Faith Awards (people who stuck their necks out a whole lot to argue their faction's ideology, even when everyone else may have (Believers): Saint Renderwolf (UofP): (Spartan): Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey, Kurn, MikeH (Gaian): (PK): Arnelos, Brother Greg, Roland (Hive): Octopus, tOFfGI (Morgan): Imran Siddiqui (Overall): Octopus, Arnelos, YYYH, Imran Siddiqui, MikeH Most Long-Winded: Arnelos, Maya, Fjorxc the Maniac Most Succinct: Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey, The Director General Best Tagline: The Director General, DCA, Brother Greg Most/Best Quotes: Maya, Arnelos Starting the Most/Best Threads: DJ RRebel, Thomas A Stobie Best Homepage: outlyr242, John Bedouin (Beyond AC), Marian (AC Zone) I'd like to have nominations for all the things that currently have no nominations. Otherwise, we should just drop those categories (and I agree that there haven't been too many people running about arguing for the Gaian or UofP ideology, but that's sort of sad). |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:13 AM ET
Ok, check out members.aol.com/arnelos/smacer.html for updates. |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:21 AM ET
OK, this one has to be answered once and for all: What nationality is Domk? Someone who knows can save me a whole lot of time and effort by just telling me. If we can't determine where he's from, there's little point in giving him nominations for BOTH most offensive American AND most offensive non-American. (BTW, for those of you who asked why only one category existed for each: I will admit as an American that the number of offensive people on the sight is disproportionally slanted toward the United States and the Kingdom of Sweden, with the notable exceptions of lx from Belgium and perhaps CrackGenius from Britain, not to mention a few others. Overall though, there are so many Americans that are disproportionaly offensive to non-Americans than the opposite, that I think even the non-Americans can agree to spliting those two awards in that fashion. Sorry to my fellow Americans if you are offended. |
| WAS |
posted 12-02-98 01:27 AM ET
I think an email ballot would add a little intrigue and suspense to the whole thing. If it gets posted on the BB people will tend to vote for who is leading. Also if someone goes to the voting thread and sees the person that they were going to vote for has no chance of winning, then maybe they won't cast their vote at all. On an email vote you don't know how your choice is doing until it is announced. I say email. Dushan has volunteered to cout votes. WAS |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:32 AM ET
Definately agreed. Of course, that means the person collecting votes (perhaps myself) should vote first for this reason. I will do so now before too many votes come in. |
| Octopus |
posted 12-02-98 01:44 AM ET
Alright, I submit to the tyranny of the majority and accept an e-mail vote (in fact, I just mailed it to Arnelos while it's fresh in my mind). I think Arnelos is now our de facto judge. If you're willing to accept a piece of advice, Arnelos, I'd suggest setting up some sort of template on your web page that is easy to cut and paste into an e-mail to make it easier on people. The nomination list sort of does that, but it is a little bit too big and unwieldy. |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:57 AM ET
The polls are open |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:58 AM ET
Vote by checking out members.aol.com/arnelos/smacer.html and sending your vote to [email protected] |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 01:59 AM ET
Results will be posted when quorum is met (suggestions on a minimum vote before posting). Of course, updates to vote count might be posted well after the initial post. |
| Brother Greg |
posted 12-02-98 02:03 AM ET
Man, I'd also like to nominate the "Amen Brother Greg" thread for best off topic thread. I can't believe it didn't get a mention. And the "Estimates for the Unity" (or whatever it was called) thread for best on topic. Brother Greg. |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-02-98 02:13 AM ET
got it, I'll add those. |
| Octopus |
posted 12-02-98 02:26 AM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, Greg, but isn't "The fusion efficiency thread" already nominated for best OFF-topic thread? It seems like it was nominated by Spoe, but the post where he did it is a bit confusing: "Best On-Topic Thread: ... The fusion efficiency thread ... (Ok, so [this is] somewhat on topic." It's not clear to me whether Spoe meant this for on-topic or off-topic (one of those "on"s should probably be an "off"). We should resolve this, so Arnelos doesn't have another Domk-esque fiasco on his hands |
| Brother Greg |
posted 12-02-98 02:55 AM ET
Were they the same threads? I dunno, anyway, I reckon it should be in the On-topic if it is the same thread. It was about as on-topic as you'd get here. Brother Greg. |
| DJ RRebel |
posted 12-02-98 03:04 AM ET
This whole thread is getting out of hand !!! Arlenos, could you please start a new thread with all the current nominations !!! This thread is getting too long !!! |
| Mortis |
posted 12-02-98 06:23 AM ET
Yes, I agree. I haven;t been folowing this thread. And now since I found I that I didn't get the "Most vocal realy life socialist" I wan't to find out what goes on here, was I even nominated?�? |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-02-98 02:59 PM ET
Roland: HEY: I'm Austrian, as well!!! Well, now you mention it, I was born in Sweden, I've lived here all my life, my mother's Finnish, my father's part of a Croatian minority group in Austria... I guess you beat me hands down to the title of Best Austrian... But I've an Austrian passport! And we've (the family in Burgenland, Austria, that is) lived in the same village since the late 15th Century... Ah, well, can't win 'em all... tOFfGI: Har har!!! Most Swedish!!! Tell that one to the boys in black/brown with swastikas and (extremely) short hair!!! Hardehardehirrrhirrrhirrrr >>COUGH*COUGH*COUGH!!!<< Sorry about that. But, see, I've an Austrian passport, etc. (see above). I find this most enjoyable! Aaahh, nothing like a good, cleansing laugh. But hey! thanks for the nomination! Jeje!: Even more thanks to you! Kiitos paljon!!! |
| Roland |
posted 12-02-98 03:30 PM ET
Yeah, Tap, sorry. Forgot your multicountry background, silly me. But I remembered it in another thread just a short while ago, where you identified germans with german speaking people. Now that's what I call SIN!!! |
| SnowFire |
posted 12-02-98 06:44 PM ET
Does anyone here remember the Poster's Choice SMAC thread awards? As I recall we never finished tallying the votes before the forums crashed; but we did get 10 quality threads as nominees that garnered a lot of votes. |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 07:26 AM ET
Roland: Don't remind me. I was delusional at the time... Hmmm... Suddenly it strikes me that you have shown a great affinity for Bavaria... Would you please explain...? I might be lenient toward these treasonous tendencies, if you assure me (preferably prove it in writing, with extensive documentation) that it's all part of a plan to extend the domains of the Austrian empire to include parts of the world that are rightfully a part of Austria. We can start with Bavaria, but I feel we should extend our goals to include other natural parts of Austria, such as Tyrolia (the parts the (nowadays nice (?)) Italians snuck out from under our feet), Hungary, and Slovenia. After a short pause, to show the repatriated Austrians how nice it is to be part of the Empire, we can expand some more. Maybe I should add some information about the "niceness"? I was a bit surprised when my father told me that German was not the teaching language used the first three years when he went to school in Austria. They used Serbo-Croatian, since that was the mother tongue of practically everyone in the village where he grew up (and he was born in 1939!!!). This is a nice way of treating minorities!!! Furthermore, it's a way, that does not in any way impinge negatively on the understanding of German, as it turns out!!! ����Interesting, or what?!??! Back to the plans for expansion: OK, when we've demonstrated how much better everyone is off, when they join us, we'll take over all of former Yugoslavia (and Albania, as well, since they seem to have trouble there, too). After we've shown the rest of the EU what good guys we are, we'll let them become a part of the Empire, as well. I wonder when we should stop... So, Roland, please don't tell me you have a different agenda. |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 07:29 AM ET
I have a potential stopping point: when we incorporate Australia. It'll be a lot easier then - we don't have to think "'Aussies', could they mean us?". Or don't we want to be able to call ourselves Aussies? |
| Roland |
posted 12-03-98 08:02 AM ET
The plans are pretty simple. Today the refrigarator, tomorrow the world...oops, that was something else... The plan for SMAB (Sid Meiers AustroBavaria): Ok, first, we exclude Vienna. We seize it to Ucraine or Belarus. After Bavaria separates from germany, we unite with Bavaria. We buy southern Tyrol from Italy. This gives us a basis of 18 million people with a strong position in the world beer market. Then, we form OBEC (Organisation of beer exporting countries). OBEC members will steadily accept the austrobavarian way of life (beer gardens and Gem�tlichkeit). By control of the world beer market, OBEC will slowly assimilate the rest of the world and send a brewery to AC. On earth, we design a game called SimBrewery. Australia will be part of OBEC, I think, and therefore be in the first stage of assimilation. Aussie is a fine term. The US will try to stop us, but OBEC will make sure they are dead drunk. This should only take 1 % of our overall production, so we can support the process by massive price reductions. |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 09:23 AM ET
I think we should make it a TOP priority to incorporate (glug-glug, mmmm, schmatz!) Tschechia and Slovakia. With their beers, we'll be almost unbeatable. I guess Britain and Ireland might prove tough, but we do have contacts there, so it should be possible to convince them of where their loyalties should lie. What do you think about the Belgian problem? Peach beer? Kriek (or whatever the cherry version is called)? Should they be allowed to join, or should we just *accidentally* press some button and leave a crater or three smoking...? |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 12-03-98 12:09 PM ET
What in the SAM HELL is going on here?? Roland? Imran Siddiqui |
| Roland |
posted 12-03-98 12:23 PM ET
Yeah, cause something's happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mister Jones ? |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 12:50 PM ET
Ah, we,ve been found out!!! Regroup, regroup!!! Should we reconvene somewhere else, Head Biermeister and Chief Executive Planning Officer Roland? (Damn, this was a good place to sneakily prepare for the takeover!) |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 12:56 PM ET
By the way, Imran, if I wasn't such a nice guy, I'd have renominated you as most offensive American. I read your apology in the A-hole thread, and it's fine you apologized at all, but you didn't go into much detail, and compared to the amount of abuse you threw around, it wasn't that impressive an apology - but I guess _with_ exactly that much abuse floating around, it would be hard to be as specific in your apology... ;p |
| Imran Siddiqui |
posted 12-03-98 01:01 PM ET
What the... TP! That was like ten years ago!! (well it felt like it to me). I have figured out your plans, and well...hmmm...Why do want all of that, like it is anygood? Imran Siddiqui |
| Tapiolan poika |
posted 12-03-98 02:55 PM ET
Imran: Haw! Right on the nose! And I had it coming, I guess. Yes, I _do_ have a long memory for these things. If I've understood you correctly, that goes for you as well. Thanks for the humorous retort!!! |
| Spoe |
posted 12-03-98 03:48 PM ET
Hrm. Can I join OBEC? I know I'm not exactly a country, but I do make my own beer. It'd be nice to live in a world ruled by the beer concerns. Oh, and about the Belgians -- I can think of worse threats than Kriek. How about Zima? Or Milwaukee's Best? There you're getting into the true anti-beer beverages. |
| 0leg |
posted 12-03-98 04:07 PM ET
American patriots should unite and stand against evil OPEC and its soar lagers ! Support your local microbrewery !! Not that I'm an american patriot, but I'm going right now to Central Marcet for another pack of Celis White , the best Texan beer :} |
| jsorense |
posted 12-03-98 04:19 PM ET
Yes, Oleg, Austin is blessed with many fine microbreweries and Celis is the most famous. |
| Spoe |
posted 12-03-98 04:41 PM ET
Celis is, of course, IIRC, owned by Miller now. And Red Hook is owned by Budweiser. :P |
| jsorense |
posted 12-03-98 04:52 PM ET
Spoe, I knew about Redhook, but I didn't know about Celis. )-: |
| 0leg |
posted 12-03-98 05:47 PM ET
Yes, it does. But Miller is in charge of marketing and distribution only, and Pierre Celis still brew beers according to his own taste and style. |
| Arnelos |
posted 12-04-98 04:15 AM ET
OK, despite the University of Arizona's network having been down for the past 2 days, I'm back! I can if you all want, start a new thread to host this topic and the current list of nominees. I was particularly surprised that I didn't get any e-mail during this time (since aparently the server was accepting e-mail, just not delivering it) from you all concerning your SMACer votes. If no one else is going to vote, I'll go ahead and post the results. (the turnout was less than 10. . .). If ANYONE else wants to vote, do so and I will not post the results yet. NOW, off to form a new thread for this. . . |
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