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MikeH II posted 11-09-98 10:14 AM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II   Click Here to Email MikeH II  
If they have can they post it? It'd be useful and I stupidly didn't copy it for my own use.
Lee Johnson posted 11-09-98 11:46 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Johnson  Click Here to Email Lee Johnson     
I thought I still had it, but it seems I've gone and nuked the file. :-( However, all is not lost: Brian's background information has been preserved by the good folks at the Beyond AC website. Look here and scroll down a bit:

http://www.beyondac.com/Gameinfo/contfaq.shtml

MikeH II posted 11-09-98 11:53 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II  Click Here to Email MikeH II     
Of course! I should have looked there first. It's all in their encyclopedia anyway.
SnowFire posted 11-09-98 06:08 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
And for those too lazy to go there yourself, here it is, redone in glorious HTML:

Introduction - the astrophysical background

Alpha Centauri A ("Alpha Prime") is a G2V main sequence star, similar in spectral class to the Sun, but about a billion years older. Chiron (or "Planet" as most of the colonists refer to it) is a 1.8 Earth mass planet orbiting at 1.08 AU from Alpha Prime, receiving 23% more sunlight than Earth does at the present.

Like the Sun, Alpha Prime was once about 30%-40% dimmer than its present luminosity. Stars grow continually more luminous over their lifetime on the main sequence - this was a matter of some concern to astronomers in the past (Hart 1978) who reasoned that if the Sun had been much less luminous than it is today, then the Earth should have been locked in a permanent ice age. But the geological record shows that Earth was not significantly cooler than it is today. This was known as the Faint Young Sun Paradox.

It was Walker and Kasting who pointed out (1981) that if the Earth had had a much greater amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, then the CO2 greenhouse effect could account for the difference. CO2 is emitted into the atmosphere from volcanoes and weathered out of the atmosphere by the reaction CaSiO3 + CO2 ---> CaCO3 + SiO2 broken down into silicate rocks and CO2, and the cycle begins again. The crucial feature of this cycle is that the weathering reaction is temperature dependent: the higher the temperature, the faster CO2 is removed from the atmosphere. So the carbonate-silicate cycle acts as a planetary thermostat, keeping temperatures constant even while stars vary over geological time.

On Earth, the consequence was that life evolved in an atmosphere of up to 1000 millibars CO2 or even more. The first photosynthesising organisms using atmospheric CO2 may have evolved up to four billion years ago and have dominated the biosphere ever since. But on Chiron, the temperature was already too high to support a dense CO2 atmosphere, and carbon was a much less available element in the warm early seas. This has led to a very different evolutionary path.

Chiron today - atmospheric composition

The atmosphere consists of >160 kPa N2, <15 kPa O2 and <20 Pa CO2. The low oxygen content results in fewer forest fires, a higher proportion of anoxic environments - encouraging a large anaerobic ecosystem reducing nitrates to break down organic matter, about which more later (see report on "xenofungus") - and a plant ecosystem dominated by the need to conserve carbon.

Meteorology and Climatology

The warm tropical seas of Chiron are breeding grounds for hurricanes, which are also encouraged by the high gravity and rapid rotation. The dense nitrogen atmosphere only partly offsets this. The equatorial cloud belts, however, help to regulate the climate by reflecting sunlight.

Because the planet spins faster, the winds follow the lines of latitude more strictly than on Earth. Moreover, the meridional circulation splits into five cells, as opposed to Earth�s three (Hadley, Ferrel, and Rossby). Compare this to the bands on a giant, rapidly rotating planet like Jupiter or Saturn.

Oceanography

At over 20% higher insolation than Earth, Chiron has very small polar ice caps. The effect of this on the oceanic circulation is profound. Instead of cold oxygen-rich polar water sinking at the poles and being carried in a current along the ocean floor to the equator (as on Earth today), the circulation is driven in reverse, with warm saline oxygen-poor water sinking at the equator and flowing to the poles (as on Earth in the Cretaceous period). As a result, the bottom waters are highly anoxic (note: such seas are called euxinic after the Black Sea).

Soil Composition

Compared to Earth, silicates are much less common in the soils of Chiron. As in the tropics on Earth, warm water leaches the silica from clays, leaving a poor alumina-rich soil (this does not prevent rain forests from growing, but will inhibit agriculture). The arctic regions have a higher proportion of acidic soils with a high proportion of organic matter (podzols) which is equally hard to farm. The temperate soil zone, which on Earth is favoured with rich aluminosilicate clays, is much narrower here on Chiron, and the soils are more likely to be sandy or lime-rich. Bogs are also common.

Ecology

Although basically similar to Earth life, in that it is based on carbon compounds in water, the organisms of Chiron have evolved a biochemistry very different Earth. The scarcity of carbon in the environment, and of dioxygen in the soil, has forced plants to try to make do without O2, and economize on the use of carbon in structural parts and as an energy storage material. They do this by using a biochemical reaction unknown on Earth

N2 + H2O + 5/2O2 --> 2H+ + 2NO3- ( -7 kcal mol-1 )

as can be seen, this reaction is exothermic, but (thankfully) is unknown on Earth. Chironian plants seem to have a special enzyme to encourage this reaction, possibly with the aid of sunlight. They use the nitrate obtained this way to store energy as organic nitro-compounds (see report on "gun-cotton trees"); to reduce carbonates to carbon; and to carry out respiration in anoxic environments.

The prevalence of anoxic environments rich in organic material, combined with the presence everywhere on Chiron of nitrated compounds has led to an astonishing variety of underground organisms (see report on "xenofungus") which live in the absence of oxygen (though they can use oxygen if it is present) and "breathe" nitrate:

(CH2O) + NO3 ---> H2O + CO2 + 1/2N2O + 1/4O2

This ecosystem apparently has symbiotic relations with the plants and with Chironian animal life (see report on "mind worms"). The prevalence of nitrate in the environment has serious repercussions (see below).

The nitrous oxide is present in only small amounts as it combines with ozone in the stratosphere to break down into N2 and O2 light

N2O + O3 ---> 2NO + O2 ; 2NO ---> N2 + O2

This process prevents the build-up of an ozone layer.

When plant material is buried, nitro-hydrocarbons have all they need to "burn", so they will do so slowly underground, leaving nothing behind until all the reducing material (hydrocarbon) or all the oxidizing material (nitrate) has gone. We expect the nitrate to run out first in all cases, leaving a residue of carbon compounds. Provided this does not come into contact with oxygen, it will fossilize to produce ordinary fossil fuels. Since Chiron has been hot and hypoxic for a long time, it should have all the oil, shale, and coal the colonists could want.

This will be a focus of the colonists� terraforming efforts to increase the CO2 (and hence oxygen) as they transplant Earth vegetation to Chiron. They will also want to blast chalk limestone deposits (which are also abundant on Chiron) to liberate the CO2.

Regardless of any attempt to wipe out the underground nitrate respirers, all our efforts to return carbon to the biosphere will encourage Chironian life to proliferate. Conversely, the huge quantities of nitrate in the soil will be heaven to human farmers.

But the water will have to be treated in order to remove the nitrates so that it is safe to drink; otherwise the colonists may suffer from methaemoglobinaemia, or "blue baby syndrome", where the red blood cells are poisoned so they can�t take up oxygen. The way to do it is to pass ozone through the water to destroy the nitrate.

Planetologist Del Cotter. UNS Unity, February 24, 2100AD.

Spoe posted 11-09-98 06:33 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Spoe  Click Here to Email Spoe     
I want the Coppertone franchise for AC! W/o an ozone layer you could make a bundle.

Just my latent Morganite tendencies showing through.

SnowFire posted 11-09-98 09:15 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
And 23% more sunlight too. It's gonna be a scorcher, good thing all the earlier colonies are going to be indoors with Earth gravity. The fact that gravity will pull stronger is going to result in stronger, shorter bodies, yuck. I forsee the power suits business to go up drastically too before people evolve to withstand it, otherwise people will be falling over dead tired a lot quicker. I suppose would could build a mantle drill and suck as much matter as possible out into space to restore gravity to Earth's pull...
MikeH II posted 11-10-98 09:07 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II  Click Here to Email MikeH II     
Thanks SnowFire and it's good for everyone to have it to refer to.
DJ RRebel posted 11-10-98 10:16 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ RRebel  Click Here to Email DJ RRebel     
I wonder how all that will affect game play though ???

I mean ... it'll be relatively the same thing for everyone !!! So there just might be some techs you have to get in order to overcome some obstacles, but that's expected regardless !!!

Moon Rat posted 11-10-98 10:06 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon Rat  Click Here to Email Moon Rat     
According to the Chiron data, Chiron has mass 1.8 times that of earth's. This doesn't mean gravity is 1.8 times earth. Assuming your density is the same as earth's, your radius will be about 1.23 earth's and gravity will be about 1.2 times earth's, or 11.95m/s^2 as opposed to 9.83m/s^2.

Suppose I weigh 70kg (155lb) or 688N, on Chiron I will weigh 836.5N (188lb) an extra 33lb of weight. (Canadians may have an advantage since they will weigh the same on Chiron while people from the US will gain a few pounds =).

Actually the density could be a lot less than earth's. At a density 75% of earth's, (holding mass constant) you get gravity equal to earth's and a radius 1.34 earth's. Please check my calculations. All you need is d=m/v and a=Gm/r^2 The earth values are easily found.

d = density, m = mass, G = gravitational constant, r = radius, v = volume.

With a radius 1.34 earth's, the surface area will be 9.16*10^14 m^2 compared to 5.10*10^14 m^2. Almost 80% larger! This will make for some long SMAC games! =)

Snowfire: 23% more sunlight doesn't necessarily mean a hotter planet. Perhaps the surface is highly reflective, cooling the planet! Perhaps there is increased evaporation and constant cloud cover. Cloud cover would reflect light, but would also trap heat; hopefully the low CO2 should prevent runaway greenhouse. (Do clouds block UV? I don�t know. I think I've heard they do not.) Higher UV should mean rapidly mutating and hardy life forms. Should make the game quite challenging!

DHE_X2 posted 11-10-98 10:11 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for DHE_X2  Click Here to Email DHE_X2     
forget using radiation weapons. Damn.
Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 08:55 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Just thought I'd bring this to the top for the newbies out there. Interesting read...
SnowFire posted 11-16-98 06:24 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
Just a post to bring this back up, since the version that was recently reposted got cut off after "This process prevents the build-up of an ozone layer."

P.S. MoonRat, sure Gaia will try to make the temperatures more hospitable to her. But our terraforming will turn this into something more like Earth, and then things will get hotter.

Arnelos posted 11-16-98 11:21 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Arnelos  Click Here to Email Arnelos     
Wait a moment, won't the main thrust of our terraforming of Chiron be takin CO2 out of the air and putting O2 into the air?

If we did that, the greenhouse effect would be reduced, causing global temperatures to drop. Sure, it's still going to be a lot warmer than Earth, but it will be cooler than before.

SnowFire posted 11-16-98 11:53 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
That's a good point. Why are they trying to free CO2? It did say that due to higher heat, CO2 never developed in huge quantities in the atmosphere (Gaia fighting the greenhouse effect) so the plant life there needs very little CO2 to thrive, so terraforming will have them grow like wild, as they are getting CO2 from both the air and that funny reaction taht eats nitrates.
SnowFire posted 11-16-98 11:54 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowFire  Click Here to Email SnowFire     
That's a good point. Why are they trying to free CO2? It did say that due to higher heat, CO2 never developed in huge quantities in the atmosphere (Gaia fighting the greenhouse effect) so the plant life there needs very little CO2 to thrive, so terraforming will have them grow like wild, as they are getting CO2 from both the air and that funny reaction taht eats nitrates.
MikeH II posted 11-17-98 06:52 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for MikeH II  Click Here to Email MikeH II     
and CO2 is poisonous to humans in too high concentrations so they don't want too much.
Brother Greg posted 12-07-98 08:57 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Brother Greg  Click Here to Email Brother Greg     
Hmm, didn't realise this post was nexiid. At least this one should appear at the end of the thread (going by the theory that posts alternate between the middle and the end).

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