posted 01-30-99 10:19 PM ET            

First off , thank you for inquiring about the AFC.

Next, we are somewhat more organized than other chronicles have been. [We spent weeks at the beginning setting up ground rules]. You could find the rules at my AFC site --http://www.homestead.com/borodino . It's a work under extreme construction -- I just recently gave up The GLobe and am in the process of rebuilding at homestead.

Simpler: Basically the rules stress consultation before major actions are undertaken, consistency, and realism, as well as a modicum of common sense . [ie, don't kill with asking, try to establish and develope your story lines, etc.]

Next, I'll give you a brief rundown of the AFC to date, by faction.

Yang: two Hive stories. The first was a short story by TAS about a day in the life of a Hive policeman. THe other was a running thread by me that was a journal kept by a paranoid construction foreman who felt personally persucuted by the Hive. No current chroniclers for the Hive exist.

Skye: Not much going on here yet. Months ago there was a post by refering rather cryptically to a genetics project. Since then, jsorense's believers have started a joint aquaculture experiment with the Gaians. We might have a GAian chronicler in Giant Squid, but he's not yet posted.

Morgan: Morgan hasn't been touched since the first week of chronicling for the AFC back in September. THere is theoretically a UoP-Morgan trade pact. The PKs would like to form a relationship, but with no one to contact...

UoP: not written for since before the Great Collapse. Plotlines never truly developed: the Morgan pact and a security team are the only things which come to mind. May possibly have a writer returning: SupremePaco.

Spartans: for the past two weeks, the AFC had a Spartan for the first time ever. Unfortunately, kyuden can't continue his particpation with us. Anyway, he was planning to assassinate the PK minister of exploration, fake a believer attack on one of his outposts and generally wreak havoc with the PK-Beleiver pact. Currently has no active writers.

Beleivers: the Beleivers are established to have the best oil producation and to be consumate moonshiners. Miriam rules via charisma and must contend with the Eucumenical Council. Earlier plotlines revolved around character establishment, a communications fiasco [truly the best set of posts in the AFC, in my most very humble opinion], a spy ring in Hope [the PK capital] and currently focuses on mindworm experiments and the first AFC obelisk. Written for by jsorense and legoean.

PK: Last but not least, my very own. Established as the best in medicine. Attempting to conquer the luxury food market . Past plots: character introduction, an ongoing exploration team, the establishment of diplomatic relations with the Believers, the inner workings of the PK govt. Recent posts have concerned the destruction of an entire outpost, the discovery of a vast mountain of trash [really!!], and the launching of the fourth ship in the PK NAvy.

I hope this all helps. If you have more questions, please ask. Feel free to write for any faction, although establishing yourself in one of the non-written-for factions would probably be best -- more latitude on your part

Lastly, I can't reccomend strongly enough that you read the People thread. THe AFC is about people more than events, which I feel is its distinguishing characteristic. Also, I would heavily reccoment that you read the Pre-Crash Forum Chronicle Archives to get a feel for the interactions and style of the AFC. I know that would be a lot of reading and effort [and I'm not sure i'd be willing to do the same in your place ], but i think that, more than anything else, will help you get a feel as to how you can contribute.

Again, thank you very much for inquiring and I hope to start seeing AFC posts with "Fjorxc the Maniac" in the Name column soon!

PS. Where did you get your name from? It's quite unusual.

posted 01-31-99 07:01 PM ET            

Welcome to the AFC threads. (jsorense extends his open hand in hospitality)
I see that Borodino has given you direction to our rules and an outline of our current relationships and which factions need champions. I really hope you decide to join us here and it isn't as complicated as it looks.
We're basically a year and a half after planet fall and everyone is still running around exploring and trying to survive. Our interest is in exploring how the different factions might realistically develop given the technological, resource and personnel limitations of a scattered landing on a hostile planet. If you read our earlier stories you'll see what I mean.

If you have any more questions about the AFC please post them here or email.

posted 01-31-99 07:39 PM ET            

Brother Legoean,
Glad to see you back. Let us know how the exams went. I will try to catch up with the Hand of God tomorrow.

posted 02-01-99 02:56 PM ET            

i did very well.
Post again soon

posted 02-01-99 07:44 PM ET            

For the benefit of our neophytes, here's a repost of AFC time conventions.

Given the planetary year (388 earth days) and the planetary day (17.53 earth hours), we adopted the following calendar for Chiron AKA Planet"

a) We use day to refer to a planetary day.

b) We make as a decurn, 10 planetary days (just over an Earth week).

c) We use as a year, 53 decurns plus two extra days (to give the 532 planetary days in each planetary year). This is about 6% longer than an Earth year. For these two extra days, the first occurs as the beginning of the year and is known as Planetfall Day, when we celebrate our original landing on Planet. The second day, which occurs at year-end is Earth Day, when we remember our hertitage and ancestors of Earth.

d) We divide the day into 18 periods which we refer to has hours. (They are slightly shorter (2.6%) shorter than Earth hours.)

e) We have redefined minutes and seconds based off the new hours with the same conversion factors as on Earth. (Thus 2.6% shorter than Earth equivilants.)

f) We started numbering our years over starting at 0 (zero) representing how many years we have been on the planet. Some people will add 2100 to this to get an approximate Earth year.

posted 02-02-99 12:22 PM ET            

Giant Squid,
How you doing? We are looking forward to more Gaians frolicking in the forest. And exactly where is that forest of yours? (see, no jokes)

posted 02-02-99 05:10 PM ET            

Welcome to the AFC!

posted 02-02-99 10:00 PM ET            

No the Forbidden Journal is mine, part of the AFC. It's in the Pre-Crash Archives, I dug up for you, the first story post there. A lot of your Hivian references reminded me of it [especially the alphanumeric designations] and I thought that perhaps you were borrowing to maintain continuity. Instead, it must be a case of great minds thinking alike.

posted 02-03-99 11:36 AM ET            

ZhanC,
Welcome, and a very impressive first post. I envy your touch with conversations. I have one comment concerning your proposed sea base though. Since this is only a little over a year after planet fall, it is probably unlikely the Hive has been able to establish the factories to manufacture the equipment and materials to produce such a base. I would put that 20 years in the future. BTW, did you ever read CClark's stories about how the Gaian's did it?
Also, Brother Legoean has had several skirmishes with an unidentified group that he has hinted might be the Hive. Is this something you want to pick up or we should we blame the Morganites, those hedonistic, nihilistic, anti spiritual scum.

JB,
Very glad to have you back. Thanks for the story. The Believes and the UoP have had some tenuous unofficial contact. Would you be interested in continuing these? I can give you an outline if you wish.

Fjorxc the Maniac,
Thanks for your contribution too. You know what I think of your stuff. I know that these chronicles seem relatively serious but its not necessary check you sense of humor at the AFC door.

posted 02-03-99 03:51 PM ET            

My story arc will focus on Hive/Spartan along with some reference to Morganites.So
the believers aren't currently in my plans yet. I've decided to place the hives
in the circle marked I or H(maybe both?) on Borodino's map if it's okay...Since I do plan to do something about ships, In the game it self it is possible for one to recieve a skimp boat from a unity pod...so that's what I plan to do.

posted 02-03-99 08:18 PM ET            

I must have misunderstood your posts. I thought the G circle was roughly what you meant. I did not mean to impose a location on you. Where exactly did you want your faction to be located?

Legoean,

The raiders are an eighth faction? Interesting. Where did the people for this faction come from?

Also, I would suggest that you not federate the paparazzi into your proposed CSAC.

First, the paparazzi are all of factionless people on AC. It's more of a catch-all term than an organization. [I guess that Fjorxc's-- I hope I spelled that right -- character is, for all intents and purposes paparazzi.

Second, the paparazzi, I feel, serve an important purpose. By being the factionless, it always informational and commercial exchange to take place on an informal level. With the paparazzi, we don't neccessarily have to formalize trade or espionage links, and we can have our sources come an go. Just my two centinobels [The nobel, BTW, is the PK unit of currency; hopefully spelled as to be named after the Swedish inventor and not the aristocrats.]

To all others,

posted 02-04-99 04:46 PM ET            

How big a hull are we talk? Nicosia class? If so, it'll take at least four decurns to produce [maybe three if we rush it]

In return... what is the state of Beleiver metalurgy and electronics? The PKs are critically short on electronics-grade conductors and semi-conductors.

If you do not believe your faction has the ability to supply those raw [or even finished] goods, then we'll have to come up with something else.

Article III of the MOU states that the consulates are to help speed scientific interaction between our factions, among other things, so I was going to suggest that we exchange archeological data anyway. THe question is which side discovers the other's project first to ask for the informatonal exchange.

Back to the hull thing, I'll post a bio for the administrator of the Poseidon Fleet Yards soon [within an hour or two] so that you can send Brother Rajiv and have someone to meet him.

Poseidon, if you recall, is a tented town decribed by St. John [I really need to get back to the Narmonov Expedition] as a strange mixture of a New England fishing village and a Saharan Reclaimation Project settlement. Take it from there if you wish. [Although I think I did describe Poseidon a little more...]

posted 02-04-99 07:18 PM ET            

Your advice about electronics is duly noted.

Rajiv now has someone to work with on the new Beleiver boat [what are you gonna call it, btw?]. Check out the [skimpy] bio in "People"

Ok then. Since we really have apparently exhausted significant technological differences between our factions, we'll build your ship "to strengthen the bonds of friendship between our two factions, in the hope that the ravages of factionalization can be undone and that all of humanity can learn to live in peace." [Just remember, you owe us one ].

posted 02-04-99 07:19 PM ET            

Don't think of them as a faction. think of them as people who o not agree with any other factions and have run away from them.

posted 02-07-99 02:56 PM ET            

You right; no faction in their right mind would take so large an object on credit. Hmmm. How about some raw materials? Copper, iron, tin, nickle, chromium, zinc, cobalt, antimony, bismuth, gallium, manganese, magnesium, platinum, or titinunium would all be greatly appreciated. I'd expect that copper, iron, nickle, and tin would be easiest to have the capacity to extract, but the same goes so the PKs so the others would be more valuable [lesser quantities being needed]. I'm not an expert on refining by any means, but if I read the encyclopedia articles on these correctly, most should be refinable with our technology, provided one had worked at it. Just a thought.

posted 02-08-99 06:02 AM ET            

Good to see your first story post [It is the first, right?]! We really didn't need a new story thread already, as the last one was only eight posts long, but since it's made, I guess we use it. Current protocol cuts threads AFC threads off somewhere between fifty and seventy-five. You're forgiven

posted 02-08-99 04:15 PM ET            

Brother Legoean,
Thanks for the information on the datadisk. How is your hospital stay? Are you ready to return to duty?

posted 02-08-99 04:40 PM ET            

Jsorense: Thanks. So long as I can think of ideas, I'll keep posting. But I should probably read the last 50 posts to catch up on events.

Currently, I view the Hive as being located somewhere south of the University, on a large continent (Pangaea?) The terrain is quite tough, and there is little access to open water (unlike the PK's, I think). A mountain range runs along south east of The Labyrinth, the first Hive colony on Planet (should I be talking about Primary Hive Clusters? )

Emphasis is thus on industry and expansion, as fast as possible. Research has been neglected, and the Hive's population has been working very closely to the revolt line for a while now (though things are loosening up). And a probe team is being secretly assembled.

First contact with the UoP has been made VERY recently by explorers (please, who writes for them and IS THIS OKAY?)

posted 02-08-99 04:46 PM ET            

ATTENTION FIRAXIS:

posted 02-08-99 08:31 PM ET            

Borodino: Peace Keepers
Jsorense: Believers
Legoean: Believers
ZhanC: The Hive
Shining1: The Hive
(poss) JB: UoP
Giant Squid: Gaians

Current Plotlines:

ZhanC:
- Hive/Morganites interaction
- Chen's vendetta against the Spartans

Legoean:
- Believer/Raider confrontation
- Monoliths

Jsorense:
- Monoliths
- PK/Believer interaction

Borodino:
- Shipbuilding
- PK/Believer interaction
- Monoliths

Shining1
- Labyrinth Construction/experiements
- UoP/Hive interaction

Giant Squid:
- Believer/Gaian interaction

JB:
- none

posted 02-09-99 12:48 PM ET            

Additions / Corrections

jsorense: Believer/Gaian interaction

posted 02-10-99 07:01 PM ET            

<echoing back>

Hello
Hello
Hell
Hel
He
H

posted 02-12-99 05:21 PM ET            

We the people of the Faction of Peacekeepers,

In recognition of the precarious nature of humanity's survival on this new world,

In awareness of the limitations on freedom and human rights among several of the other factions,

Being Mindful of the many mistakes of Earth,
In order to establish justice; to reaffirm faith in fundemental human rights, the dignity of the human person, and the equal rights of man and woman; to safeguard our liberty and that of succedding generations; to promote the general welfare and the common defense;

Do hereby ordain this Constitution of the Faction of Peacekeepers.
---------------------------------------------
Does it sound "constitutional" and "peacekeeperish"?

Also, Shining1,

It's kinda strange that we both have characters named "Dorian", isn't it? Mine's female and chief justice for the PK's while yours is male and chief spy for the Hive, but I still found it to be an amusing coincidence. Ten thousand crew out ~ten billion humans and we get two Dorians. Que extrano!

posted 02-15-99 09:51 PM ET            

I was on college visitation and then I got SMAC. [An explantion of my abscence].

posted 02-15-99 11:23 PM ET            

But still, a very pleasant place to visit, like Scotland with consistantly sunny weather.

And yes, I find it strange we both have Dorians in our faction staff (I didn't know Dorian was a girls' name, come to think of it... or is it her sirname?). Not to worry, I don't think their about to meet anytime soon.

Even so, it might pay to introduce each character using their full name in future postings.

Re constitution:
(no impeachment process? )

I don't like the first bit: "...amoung several of the other factions," There should be no reference to other factions (certainly in this light) in the constitution.

Change to "both now and in the past," perhaps?

posted 02-15-99 11:28 PM ET            

I have the Hive's main base (called Labyrinth) located somewhere south of the UoP and west of the Believers/PKs. The terrain is fairly hostile...

posted 02-16-99 05:58 AM ET            

I hope you enjoyed your vacation. Not run down by any rabid sheep?

I didn't know that Dorian could be a guy's name. There was a female Dorian in my class in elementary and middle school. [Grades one through eight; about ages six through fourteen -- I don't know how New Zealander schools are labeled.]

There's no impeachment process yet because that was only the preamble [and because I'm only through the article one, the legislature and am beginning to think that I based it overly much on the US Constitution.] The PK govt is going to be a cross between parlaimentary and presidential systems. I don't know which'll dominate. If it's parlaimentary, impeachment might not be necessary, just a simple vote of no-confidence.

You suggestion on "other factions" is duly noted and well received. That substitution gets the point across even better because it drops the reference to current global politics [always a bad thing to do when constitution writing] and points back to Earth's legacy at the same time, a very "peacekeeperish" thing to do. Thanks.

Lastly,

I'd suggest that you not establish the establishment of an seabase yet. I really don't think that technology could be considered sufficient in the AFC world at this time to establish one.

Lastly [again], great job on that last post. Makes the reader truly understand ET and why he is [will be?] truly angry at his circumstances within the Hive.

posted 02-17-99 02:02 AM ET            

Anyway, to point:

Yes, I have plans for precious D'Avignon, especially with the upcoming planetfall holiday to be celebrated in the Hive (any clue as to how far away this is? I had assumed it was pretty close!). He meets up with Howarth Ubeya in a 'bar' in the industrial sector - quite a meeting of worlds.

Also planned is some serious hand to hand violence (though ultimately undetected) against the UoP, involving Dorian (my Dorian!), Hazel, and the (intentionally) yet to be written for Gerard DuPont.

As well, I was wondering if ET could meet up with Sara Croft soon? What with them both being well travelled 'citizens of the world', I'm sure some rich history could be invented for them - either for good or evil (Jsorense? Legoean? Boro?)

Mind worms are 10cms long? Opps...

Maybe there could be many strains? I certainly can't have them any less than about 25 cms without rewriting that last posting (though the big fella could have been considerably smaller, I agree).

posted 02-17-99 06:03 AM ET            

I didn't mean to imply anything at all. [Although I do admit to having read Brother Greg's comments about the Kiwi/Aussie rivalry and certain comments about stange mating practices involving typically assocciated with each nation.]

Back to chronicling:

Sara Croft is one jsorense's characthers, so you'll have to get permission from him; but right now I'm borrowing her until I can figure out how to get the canal to work. [Hopefully pretty soon; I don't want to keep her away from the Beleivers too long; they might get suspicious.] However, it looks like jsorense created a very good character -- much in demand!

Don't worry overly much about the mindworms. Perhaps in the AFC there could be multiple strains. We've deviated from the official Firaxis posistion on some other things, so this wouldn't be a tremendous thing.

Lastly, going back to that last statement, if anyone has gotten the full gmae and read the back section of Planetology, one've'd found out that the previous posistion of Firaxis that Planet was fossil-fuel-rich has been reversed. The Official Planet nows is so symbiotic and bio-effiecent that no fossil fuels exist. Given the importance of fossil fuels to certain elements of the AFC, I suggest that we ignore this change.

Oh! Lastly [again]. The last story post was 001/35.4. The regular time year ends on 001/53.9. We then go into 001/ED, Earth Day, when we remember the legacy of Earth. The next day is 001/PD, Planetfall Day, when we remember all related to the Planetfall: out reasons for coming, the joy and promise of our new world, those who we've lost since then, ect.

We have 18 decurns and seven days until Planetfall Day. The holidays I suggested creating above are a translocation of traditional Earth holidays timed to coincide with the winter solistice: Christmas, Kwanzaa, ect.

posted 02-17-99 10:55 AM ET            

Looks like you have caught me slacking again. So Sister Sara Croft is in demand. Let me see what I can do. If there is one thing I can write about, its archaeologists. Any additional comments on what you want included with the obelisks?
I am also going to recall Sister Tammy from the Gaians. I want to follow up with her, Brother Johnny and the mind worm experiments.

posted 02-17-99 06:48 PM ET            

ET is more of an explorer type than an archaeologist, an expert in people and 'human camoflage' rather than ancient artifacts.
He's really a bit of Starcraft's James Raynor character mixed with a bit of Latino anarchy - a rogue, but a good rogue ultimately.

I think it would be interesting to pursue a slightly antagonistic relationship between the two (at least at first). After all, it wouldn't pay to have a Hiver get friendly with the other factions this early on.

posted 02-17-99 09:21 PM ET            

Anyway, ET & Borodino could possibly have met, because the "rumors" mentioned in the introduction [way back -- my very first post!] are true: Borodino did fight in the failed Chilean resitance against the expansionist Argentine Empire of the, ummmm, I'd have to look it up, but I believe I had Borodino missing from the NAF from about 2030 to 2040. During that time, I think he also did some sort of world tour. At one time I had detailed the itenerary but never posted it...

BTW, did you remember the First of June massacre? Well, I know the newcomers won't. It was a reference I made in one of the few posts we had in the TEST forum. The First of June massacre was a raid on a Puerto Rico Liberation Front camp, sometime in the 2040s or 2050s, which resulted in the loss of many of Santiago's friends. I was trying to give a background reason for diplomatic difficulties between the PKs and Spartans. I've created two other of these Borodino/faction leader difficulties:

1) Zakhorov and Borodino are cousins: their mothers were sisters. The Borodino sister fled with her husband to the US after the fall of the USSR, where they ended up starting what became a multi-million dollar
company. When Russia fell on hard economic times, the Zakhorov family became destitute. There is a great deal of family tension because of this: ostensibly revolving around the Borodino's "betrayal" of the Rodina.

posted 02-19-99 08:56 PM ET            

Here's a few things I'd like to know in order to clarify/widen the Hive's current area of interactions:

1) How far away is the UoP from the Believers/PK pact? Has there been any interaction between them so far?

If not, could they be on different continents?

2) same for Gaians, although I think I already know some of this. (??)

3) Same for Morganites (who are as yet unwritten for?)

As for Yang's animosity towards Borodino, here's a thought: Yang suspected Boro was responsible for the theft of a couple of minor ancient treasures from the emperor's palace (correctly so, but never proven) during his visit. His failure to protect the emperor's possessions is a sore spot on his otherwise excellent record (and partially contributed to Shenji losing his position in the palace - which ironically hasn't been a bad thing for the Chairman, ultimately. Borodino does not know this, however).

posted 02-21-99 07:07 PM ET            

I've been in Tennessee for the past three days [left at 5:00 AM Friday; got home 5:00 PM today], so that's why I haven't posted.

jsorense,

How about the "Redemption"?

Shining1,

So you think I'm straining credulity again? Hmmmm... Should I cut the Zakhorov/Borodino link, perhaps? [You indicated favor towards a bit of Borodino/Yang hostily.] Also, I can live with Borodino being a thief [provided that this never became a true international incident; widespread knowledge of this would invalidate a good portion of Minister Borodino's later career: a disgraced ambassador could never have become NAF envoy to the UN, NAF Secretary of Inteligence, or NAF Secretary of State.

Now to answer your questions:

1)First, the Beleivers/PK's agreement is not a "pact" nor a "treaty": it is a "Memorandum of Understanding", called a MoU for short. This is at jsorense's Beleiver's insistence. As JB is apparently not writing for us after all [at least I haven't seen him posting at all -- correct me if I'm wrong JB], the UoP is established as being on the same continent as the PKs and Beleivers. The paparazzi caravan lead by Arsinio Rivera [did I spell that right, jsorense?] has only an explora-train stolen from the PKs [or did he steal a shuttle, jsorense?] -- I think it was a train -- has visited all three of those factions, so the UoP would have to be on the same continent.] Interaction has been limited.

2) Gaians are on an unknown continent. jsorense's post about their HQ base involved the use of shuttle, so they may or may not be on the same continent as the PKs, UoP, and Beleivers. The only interfactional developement with the Gaians is the Beleiver/Gaian aquaculture project.

posted 02-22-99 11:56 AM ET            

UoP / Believer relations: There is nothing formal yet, and considering the mutual dislike Miriam and Zakharov displayed in the Story, I don't think anything will happen soon. However, there are a number of Believers that used to be engineers under Zakharov on the Unity and they have maintained some unofficial contact and trade with friends at UoP (more details if desired).

Gaians: Sister Tammy was taken to Gaia's Landing which I put somewhere in the southern hemisphere.

posted 02-22-99 07:27 PM ET            

I apologize most humbly. Thank you for refreshing my memory.

So the paparazzi have a shuttle? That would suggest that the UoP needn't be on the main continent anymore...

Markael,

Welcome to the AFC. I enjoyed the first part of your story.

posted 02-22-99 09:50 PM ET            

The Zakhorov/Borodino thing caught me totally by surprise - I mean, what a coincidence! As it stands, IMO I think you should definitely cut this link.

Borodino-Yang: there is no offical suggestion that these treasures WERE ever stolen (and now there never will be). It's purely a Yang-Borodino thing, other faction members wouldn't be aware of it. (Hmmm. We'll have to get them to meet now, won't we ).

Thankyou for the information on the UoP and Believer/Peace Keepers stuff. I now have a good idea of what to do.

As I see it, the Hive, UoP, and Morganites might be located on one continent, to the east of the (e.g two "squares") away from the Peace Keepers/Believers. The Gaians are below the Pks/Believers. And the spartans are unaccounted for (so far).

Future plot ideas (wide open for debate)
- Massive social upheaval at the Hive
- Infiltration of UoP - War with UoP
- Hostility/War with Believers
- Diplomatic manuevering with Pks.

Jsorense:

posted 02-23-99 01:53 PM ET            

slucido,
Welcome to SMAC Fiction. Please let us know if you want us to interact with your story or characters in any way. Otherwise we will leave you to your own story lines. Another Michgander joins the forums. Cool.

Shining1,
I have no problem with a hostile atmosphere between the Hive and the Believers. I feel that they are natural enemies. If you could let it slip that they were involved in the great "Sister Miriam's Planetary Address" fiasco, then you might have a vendetta on your hands. I can also develop the paparazzi more if you wish. I want to make sure, though, that Brenda gets the credit for their creation.

posted 02-23-99 09:09 PM ET            

As for natural enemies, I totally agree. The Hive sees (will see...) the Believer's military might as a major threat to its plans, while the Believers could well be aghast at the godless lives of Hive citizens.

One point - you currently write the Believers as 'nice' christians, as in contrast to the bible thumping Miriam we have come to know from SMAC (except in the story, granted). How readily will the Believers go to war, if needed.

One other point - my question about the paparazzi is motivated by the need to have some kind of refuge for several Hive characters - Mary Chase, Edward Tehicimon, Howarth Ubeya - the good guys, in general. Without sending them running to the PK's or anything, they will need a home. Sound appropriate?

posted 02-25-99 12:17 AM ET            

Jsorense:
A very good policy. I have a similar approach with the Hive, which currently differs somewhat from the final firaxis creation. I didn't feel that the very early colonists would allow such a socialist hellhole to be established overnight, no matter how desperate their situation.

Things are set to rapidly get worse, though.