posted 09-17-99 02:04 PM ET        

-=Hammer

Rong posted 03-22-99 06:08 PM ET
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Hammer, if you have to explain it, then it's not that funny.
Hammer posted 03-22-99 06:09 PM ET
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true enough Rong
-=Hammer

CrayonX posted 03-22-99 06:36 PM ET
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For the record I am not a woman.
LadyVanessa posted 03-22-99 06:57 PM ET
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Honestly!
Did you seriously think that no one female likes to play this game? How untrue and typically male!
If that were true, then three of the characters being female would be unecessary. I personally enjoy destroying enemy factions day and night...
I'm only joking. Not about being female (I am) but about that being "typically male"! I am so addicted to this game it's not even funny.
So does that answer your question?
Lady Vanessa Nicole
Gaia's Stepdaughters

yin26 posted 03-22-99 07:22 PM ET
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Actually, Hammer, it's debatable whether or not I'm even human. The DNA results are inconclusive and the best psychologists usually go insane trying to come up with my mental profile.
My best guess:

I'm a cross between a Demon Boil and a fried egg.

LadyVanessa posted 03-22-99 07:27 PM ET
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Why don't you let the University study you? They may be able to help you with your identity crisis...
Lady Vanessa Nicole
Gaia's Stepdaughters

CrayonX posted 03-22-99 07:29 PM ET
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Hey yin..
Shouldn't that be fried demon and boiled egg?

clhale posted 03-22-99 07:32 PM ET
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Not to sound like a pig, but it is - 1. unusual to find a women interested in Science Fiction. And B. unusual to find a women interested in computer games. Lady Vanessa, will you marry (unless of course you are ugly and weigh 300 lbs)?
Hammer posted 03-22-99 07:42 PM ET
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Ah, fair play to you Yin (never thought I'd say that to you, long ago LOL).
Maybe you have "Ascended" to "something" and our comparably tiny human brains are no longer able to categorize your "special brand of greatness"

BTW, your post has left open a massive door in which I am so tempted to drive a huge truck of a joke through... but I have already overstepped my bounds at your expense, so I will pass this time )

But seriously, I admire your ability to take a joke graciously I now fully expect one from you in the future at my expense... t'would only be fair, no?

-=Hammer

yin26 posted 03-22-99 07:47 PM ET
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If you don't tell me the joke, I'm never talking to you again.
Tough choice, isn't it?

And don't worry--your day is coming...

Shining1 posted 03-22-99 07:56 PM ET
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Hmmm. I wonder where Maya and Brenda have transcended to. Not only women, but highly creative, intelligence posters.
CyberSpyder posted 03-22-99 07:57 PM ET
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Well, chalk up one more non-female. That means the number of females is at a grand total of...1! And clhale, I believe it goes either 1, 2, or A, B, not 1, B. And kudos to you, LadyVanessa! It is quite cool to find some female on earth who likes Sci-Fi!
clhale posted 03-22-99 08:09 PM ET
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duh
sphinx_1981 posted 03-22-99 09:27 PM ET
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all humans are interested in sci-fi if u count the number of people who are going to watch the phantom menace.

LadyVanessa posted 03-22-99 11:56 PM ET
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You're right, of course, it is unusual to find women who like science fiction- but I think science influences everyone.
Does anyone have any opinions on how science conflicts with religion?
And is anyone a fan of the X-Files?
(And just for the record, I do NOT weigh over 110 pounds, and you had better not call me ugly! )
I find it quite flattering that I'm getting marriage proposals already- shouldn't we get to know each other first, Mr. Romantic?

Lady Vanessa Nicole
Gaia's Stepdaughters

Imran Siddiqui posted 03-23-99 12:30 AM ET
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LOL! Well, I wonder where Brenda and Maya are as well. And isn't Marian (the author of a SMAC site which I am forgetting right now) a female as well?
Imran Siddiqui

eNo posted 03-23-99 12:31 AM ET
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Shining1: Hmmm. I wonder where Maya and Brenda have transcended to. Not only women, but highly creative, intelligence posters.
Have they even transcended? I don't remember seeing them much after the crash so I doubt they've accumulated 1000 posts. Unless you count before the crash when they posted VERY actively.

ViVicdi posted 03-23-99 12:51 AM ET
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Actually the obligatory females must appear in male-oriented video games -- our male appetite for T & A with our blood and guns is legendary.
What would football be without the cheerleaders? Pat Sajak without Vanna White? Anime' without its feloniously-underaged way-underdressed heavily-armed wide-eyed heroines? Santiago purring the "Spartan Battle Manual" only makes us men randier ...

The only way to be sure if a video game with chicks in it is actually women-oriented is if said female characters talk about their feelings to exhaustion and if said feelings encompass the full spectrum of contempt for, disgust with, dislike of, and especially disappointment in men. (The appearance of horses in any role other than "cavalry" is also a leading indicator ...)

If Miriam talked about men the way she talks about technology, then maybe that'd be getting closer ... if she talked about it with Deirdre over a manicure and mud bath (WITHOUT wrestling in said mud) you could say the sensitivity training had, like the Unabomber's unique publishing stratagem, paid off.

Luke posted 03-23-99 12:36 PM ET
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Well I guess that settles it- we're a sorry pile of freaks.
Rong posted 03-23-99 12:58 PM ET
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The same goes for those guys who watch football. Or play golf.
DerekM posted 03-23-99 01:00 PM ET
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They do tend to get more fresh air. I have never understood the appeal of golf, though. Don't bother trying to convince me. It just isn't my idea of fun. Skiing is much more exciting, and costs about the same.
Pique posted 03-23-99 01:15 PM ET
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Quote from some forgotten source, subject: Golf vs. Bowling:
�If you are going to play a silly game with a silly ball, it may as well be one where the ball comes BACK on its own��

Pique

Nylan posted 03-23-99 03:31 PM ET
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Quote from Tom Clancy 'Debt of Honour'
Person 1: Why do they call it golf
Person 2: Because sh*t was already taken

Bizarre attitude from someone who goes to university at St.Andrews (the home of golf)

Nylan
-I have faith in skepticism

Nylan posted 03-23-99 03:31 PM ET
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Quote from Tom Clancy 'Debt of Honour'
Person 1: Why do they call it golf
Person 2: Because sh*t was already taken

Bizarre attitude from someone who goes to university at St.Andrews (the home of golf)

Nylan
-I have faith in skepticism

Nylan posted 03-23-99 03:31 PM ET
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Quote from Tom Clancy 'Debt of Honour'
Person 1: Why do they call it golf
Person 2: Because sh*t was already taken

Bizarre attitude from someone who goes to university at St.Andrews (the home of golf)

Nylan
-I have faith in skepticism

Wen_Amon posted 03-23-99 04:51 PM ET
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I think Marian is a guy, no?
clhale posted 03-23-99 05:04 PM ET
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Lady Vanessa,
I have to warn you - I look kind of like Zakharov but with a better dispossition. Perhaps we should match wits in an online game and see if our social settings conform. Of course that is assuming they get the server working again or if I ever figure out how to do the TCP/IP connections.
Zircon - Letter to a Lady
Shining1 posted 03-23-99 05:07 PM ET
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LadyV: You should have been here a couple of months ago, when the creationism vs. evolutionism threads were in full swing.
Try starting one up - I'm sure everyone is ready for round 3 .

Social Speaker posted 03-23-99 05:33 PM ET
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Although not directly related to this I would like to speak my full support for aforementioned topics, I am dieing for a philosophical argument. Thanks
BTW, how is it that we <men> always sound sexists, even when we are not <gasp> trying to be?
UHP

clhale posted 03-23-99 05:34 PM ET
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Because it's in our jeans (sic)
Zircon
- The Misspeller
LadyVanessa posted 03-23-99 06:29 PM ET
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Well, clhale (aka Zakharov ),
Your proposal (and I don't mean the marriage one) is interesting. Considering I'm fairly new at this game, you'd probably eradicate me, and since you're being so incredibly kind, I would feel bad. But I agree, we should!
Luke- I'm sure that, no matter how much like a sorry pile of freaks you sound, not all of you are sorry freaks.
Shining1- Perhaps I will.
SocialSpeaker- Me too, though since I am not male nor a mindreader (haven't aquired that technology yet ), I don't have an answer or even a related question.
Everybody else- Thanks!
Lady Vanessa Nicole
Gaia's Stepdaughters

DHE_X2 posted 03-23-99 06:43 PM ET
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Off topic, but:
Science and religion are by no means mutually exclusive. They are both, in essence, the pursuit of truth, of existence. They both tell us that what is out there is bigger than we can comprehend. However, religion takes a "top down" look on things (God created the universe, etc.), while science seems to go from the bottom up (how do we combine these two theories to explain this phenomenon?). I myself am a devout Christian, as well as scientifcally adept (especially for my age ), and I find that by following both paths you gain a holistic view of creation. Thank you, that is all.

~DHE, fanatic attack bonus against all nachos
~DHE, is a guy who has a girlfriend, and is therefore not a loser

absimiliard posted 03-23-99 07:06 PM ET
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Off-topic but:
DHE : sorry to jump on you but I just can't reconcile religion with science. Fundamentally science is about the necessity for proof. If you can't prove it it isn't true. It might or might not be true, but until it is proven it is merely a hypothesis. Religion on the other hand is at its most basic about the belief that the unexplainable and un-provable is true. I mean if religion was about provability we'd be doing experiments to prove god's existance. Sorry for the rabid scientist attitude, I've just always had trouble accepting people who say they are both religious and scientific. E-mail me if you want to discuss it.

Once again, sorry for the off-topic post.

BTW I also have a girlfriend thus proving that not all of us SMAC guys are losers .

-absimiliard

Rong posted 03-23-99 07:20 PM ET
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Hah, dying for philosophical discussion?
I guess you could say science and religion are both the pursuit of truth of existence. The difference lies in "how". Science relies on empirical evidence and logical reasoning, religion relies on... I don't know what religion relies on. Fear and ignorance of proto-human perahps, which even after thousands of years of civilization advances still linger in our society.

And no, science doesn't tell us that what is out there is bigger than we can comprehend. The ultimate goal of science is to find the ultimate truth, to build The Theory of Everything. Religion, on the other hand, RERUIRES that certain topics untouched, certain area unexplored, otherwise where would God go? Another Universe?

Now go play with Miriam. My demon boils are coming.

yin26 posted 03-23-99 07:24 PM ET
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I keep a couple little honeys under lock and key in my van.
My first cousin (female?) visits my basement on Tuesdays.

Thus--I am NOT a loser!

DHE_X2 posted 03-23-99 07:44 PM ET
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I suggest that we move the philosophical stuff to the non-smac forum. It's been a while since a serious metaphysical debate, and some of the vets (myself included) might be up for it again
clhale posted 03-23-99 08:21 PM ET
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Lady Vanessa,
Actually I'm pretty much a newbie. I've been playing for two weeks on the lowest level. I tried jumping up 4 levels and got wiped all over the Planet. Anytime you want to play just leave me an email as to when.
Zircon
-From the Book of I Have No Life

Shining1 posted 03-23-99 09:42 PM ET
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DHE: The non-SMAC forum is just so dull. Let's just turn this thread into a metaphysical debate.
Creationism sucks. It should only be taught properly in class if the Priests agree to teach evolution properly in sunday school. Which they won't, because the main reason they're against it is that they don't have a clue how it works. If you believe the universe is 6000 years old, how can you understand the idea of a single species evolving over a time of 100 million years? You can't. Creationism belongs purely in the realms of the self obsessed, and the only way to have any faith in both systems is to ignore one when you look at the other.

Which, BTW, is as mixed up as Schrodinger's cat.

EnBee posted 03-23-99 11:29 PM ET
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This is my 2 cents for the metaphysical argument.

First off, you can't really dismiss me as some ignorant religious fanatic because 1) I spent the last 5 years getting a Ph.D. in Genetics (the science of life in a way) and 2) I am NOT part of any organized religion.

But I do NOT think that science is too much different from religion. Science's mandate is logical and critical analysis of empirical data. But it relies on the EMPIRICAL as its God. The almost fanatical reliance on the empirical is the biggest fundamentalist movement of the present age. If you search for an ultimate truth, you are also putting FAITH in an ultimate truth. Like the quote from Kant when you discover Secrets of the Human Brain, we do NOT know if sensical data exists a priori outside of ourselves or whether they are a creation FROM ourselves. If this were the case, then God is an equally valid creation as the empirical world. But we do not know which is which or whether it's somewhere in between. What's scarier is that we don't even know HOW to find out. Hence, we put FAITH in the empirical.

And don't think Science is so objective. I deal with scientists everyday. Not only are the f@#*ed up, but they have their own version of the Truth, and I feel like Galileo persecuted by the Church if I try to persuade them to look at things differently.

At some of the scientific meetings, I feel like I'm at Church.....the Church of Science. Western civilization has gone from the vengeful God (Old Testament)to the merciful God (New Testament) to the cold, sterile God (Scientific American).

Did you guys watch the movie 'Contact' with Jodie Foster as a scientist. When Mathew Macconnaughtery (sp) was trying to convince her the validity of religion, she said that scientific truth was the only valid truth because it can be tested and proven. Mathew then asked her if she loved her Dad. She replied "Of course!". He then, "Prove it". She was speechless.

anyone playing on Librarian level want to go for MP??

EnBee posted 03-23-99 11:45 PM ET
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Oh yeah. Forgot the obligatory disclaimer for this thread: I have a girlfriend too, so I'm not a loser :
Ice99 posted 03-24-99 12:05 AM ET
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Hey EnBee (or was it Endee, its so late),
Just what exactly did you go through to achieve that goal (the Ph.d in genetics). I'm 18, entering college (University of Washington) and that just happens to be my goal. Since that kind of thing isn't really meant for these boards, email me at [email protected] any time you can. Thanks. I'm really interested in finding out what you did!

-Jake

Ice99 posted 03-24-99 12:06 AM ET
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How could I forget. Creationism is silly. Don't forget just WHO wrote the Bible.
-Ice

Rong posted 03-24-99 02:19 AM ET
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Don't cite Contact as your argument. In the movie one of the committee members said 95% of world population believes in God. Well, we have 1.2 billion people in China (out of 5? 6 billion? of world population) and we are all atheists (more or less).

yin26 posted 03-24-99 02:43 AM ET
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Rong,
What the hell does that have to do with the scene EnBee is making a reference to?

Sloppy thinking of the highest degree--that's all your comment amounts to.

jig posted 03-24-99 03:50 AM ET
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Women, evolution and crationism...
Hmmm...

Anyway, here's where the old thread is http://alpha.owo.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000206.html

jig posted 03-24-99 03:53 AM ET
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The old thread for 'evolution vs creationism', I mean. Unfortunately the 'evolution vs creationism II' thread transcended and went into orbit the last time the forums crashed.
MikeH II posted 03-24-99 05:29 AM ET
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I'm not a girl either. I do know some though. Honest. Some of them even speak to me. They say things like "Terraform Complete".
EnBee posted 03-24-99 07:48 AM ET
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Rong, I'm afraid I think you're wRong. just kidding . I don't want to sound as critical as yin26, but that scene has nothing to do with what I am saying. Especially since I was only citing a FICTIONAL situation. I was using it as a sort of analogy to get my point through. I was NOT citing it for its truth or accuracy. You can't slag me because another part of the show may have been exaggerated. My citation is still a FICTIONAL situation; you might as well argue that Matt. MacConnaughtery never said that to Jodie Foster!
To go off on a tangent. 95% may be a bit high, but I read in Maclean's magazine (Canadian) that 80% of Americans believe in God (Don't quote me on that; I just remember it was higher than I thought; and don't use it as a weapon for Canadian bashing... ....please. People in China weren't really religious in a definitive way. They did practice a philosophical religion, and they are very superstitious. Despite Communism, a lot of people were converted to Christians in the days of the republic. Also, the biggest religion in the world is Islam or Judaism (one of those), not Christianity. It's very easy to forget those guys. And I think we're all atheists here because we are all in an age group that has been histroically nihilistic.

(at the heart of all this intelligent discussion, we're probably all just trying to impress Lady Vanessa

Oh yeah, I'm not a loser because I still have a girlfriend...last I remember she was asking me to talk to her about something or another...something about turning off the computer.

micje posted 03-24-99 08:41 AM ET
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To get back to the topic, almost all the girls that played games at all, played Civ/CivII. They played on chieftain level, never attacked a soul, and went directly for the space-ship. If it wasn't for women, there would never have been an Alpha Centauri. :->
In short, they played as if it were Sim City. I play as if I'm playing chess. Is this a coincidence, or does this pattern look familiar?

4Horses posted 03-24-99 09:28 AM ET
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I'm married........do I lose?
My wife can crochet for hours but this game, well.......it's tedious

Luke posted 03-24-99 09:40 AM ET
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Not to be a jackass, but if we're going to turn this into a metaphysical discussion, could we at least start a new thread? The reason I ask is that for some reason, I get an e-mail every time someone responds to this post. It's killin' me.
absimiliard posted 03-24-99 11:51 AM ET
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My deepest apologies to everyone for derailing this thread. Luke: I am particularly sorry you got clobbered.
As amends I have created a 'Science v. Religion: Two sides of the same coin?' thread in the non-SMAC forum. If you want to debate this, and DHE I surely want to hear your points (Enbee, Rong, Shining1, and Ice99 you're included as well), please go post on that thread.

-absimliard
Still not a woman, still with a girlfriend and thus not a loser

peo posted 03-24-99 12:35 PM ET
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Re: To get back to the topic, almost all the girls that played games at all, played Civ/CivII. They played on chieftain level, never attacked a soul, and went directly for the space-ship.
Basically right, but... I know two women who used to play Civ. One is my wife, the other her friend. My wife plays it peacefully, but the other was one mean adversary. So it's 50:50 for all I know.

Social Speaker posted 03-24-99 03:49 PM ET
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Firstly- my spelling sucks without a word proccessor <sp?>
Secondly- <and more importantly> I think that if science builds from the bottom up, and religion looks from above, then whatever religion is looking at is complete and we are pointless, since everything is done. At most we are some shingle on a house roof, nowhere near the foundation. So, since I'm human and like to think of myself as big i'll go with science.
BTW I will not swear to this, and anyone who argues it down is welcome to do so.
Rong posted 03-24-99 04:21 PM ET
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Yeah sloppy thinking all right, but it was not on my part. I was simply trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is to cite a scene from a movie that can't even get its facts straight.
You want the straight answer? Of course you can prove you love someone. When you come down to it, human emotion is simply a biochemical process. Granted it is a complex process and in the future we may discover some yet unknown factors (like Psi in SMAC), but that doesn't mean it's unprovable. Even with current technology, for example we could try to extract her memory and we'd find her father's image has a strong representation in her neurons, and evoking that image would cause intense neuron firings which represents deep emotions. Well, this is just an example, I am not an expert on neuron science.

I admit the discussion on science and religion is never fruitful. You either believe in God, or you don't. The most eloquent argument wouldn't change that a single bit.

Achilles posted 03-24-99 11:02 PM ET
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I do not think that science and religion are mutually exclusive. I consider myself to be highly scientific and I am also christian.
For you scientists that is my anecdotal (sp?) proof.
For the Godwinson'e out there, just believe me
Shining1 posted 03-25-99 01:04 AM ET
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EnBee: If LadyV is at all impressed by this, I don't think I want her anyway...
micje: The last computer orientated females I met were both much happier with Starcraft and Street fighter than they were with CivII.

Like the theme from Species, along the lines that it's a dangerous mistake to think women are naturally more docile and nonviolent. If you've ever seen them play rugby, you'll know what I'm talking about.

As for god, well, If I meet him, I'll let you know. But I sure as hell wouldn't trust the opinions of most people who work for the church. There's a reason 'Zealous' got to be an unpopular word...

ViVicdi posted 03-25-99 01:57 AM ET
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Here's a point of contemplation:
One of the interesting parallels between the Christian religion and science is that both take into account the failings of human beings:

Christianity: "For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God."

Science, meanwhile, has "Repeatability" as one of the absolute commandments of the Scientific Method. All humans are prone to bias and error in their observation, so only by multiple scientists repeating an experiment multiple times can any hypothesis ever evolve into a theory.

Now, on to a personal observation. Atheists are like rich people -- "new money", or new atheists, tend to stick it out and show it off, and get into lots of arguments. "Old money", or folks who have been atheists for a few years, learn to appreciate the lessons other walks of life have to teach, and do not need to "prove themselves" in showy, ostentatious display. Furthermore, just as "old money" rolls its eyes at the gaudy newcomers, as a grizzled infidel I am quite exasperated with the smug superiority and intentional confrontationalism of "new atheists". (But as soon as I make a big pile of money I'm gonna buy a surplus MiG and buzz the housing projects 'till they arrest my *ss! Yeah! Then I'm gonna ...)

I have, on occasion, taken up the challenge of enlightening a newly [un]converted on the positive contributions of culture and religion, and of the importance of setting a good example. "Only by respecting the beliefs of others may you justly expect it in return." It hasn't worked yet ...

So if you've just started shaving your peach fuzz with Occam's Razor, remember that to the rest of us you come across like Beavis and Butthead at the mall: "Hey baby, wanna stroke my beard? Huh huh ... huh huh."

Shining1 posted 03-25-99 02:14 AM ET
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Vivicidi: Yeah, and then you get on to people who really know about money and just want to enjoy it, because it doesn't really mean that much.
I'm tired of this GOD bs. I'm fine with it, if you want to keep it to yourself. But 90%+ of it seems to rotate around simple peer pressure and the desire to blame things on something other than ourselves (or the respective other people involved).

GOD DOES NOT EXIST. He's not in you, he's not in life, he ain't anywhere. Life is life. Enjoy it, without building castles in the air.

If you can't stare at the stars and happily contemplate a universe so vast that you feel as dust to a mountain, then I don't know what's wrong with you. Certainly it beats the notion that the earth, sun, and stars were created by your father in six days.

By all means, tolerate other people's harmless insanity. But don't encourage them to spread it or justify it as something bigger.

Shining1
The fed up money

yin26 posted 03-25-99 02:28 AM ET
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Hey, Shiny!
First, God gave Brian the idea for terraforming.

Second, if God weren't so busy playing SMAC (as Miriam--also His idea), He'd probably strike you dead right now.

In His Great and Holy Name,

Yin
Laundered Money

EnBee posted 03-25-99 02:40 AM ET
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Shining,
Lol! ThoughI know one cutie who loves Civ2. Not my cutie, alas!

Rong,

That's a good experiment. I might propose it if it weren't so inhumane. But you don't prove that she loves HER DAD.
Are you saying that you'll measure her brain waves when she thinks of her Dad? How many people have trouble defining love in the first place. You would have to convince people that you've establish a brain pattern that correlates with her lvoing her Dad. I should remind you that Psychology is in the Department of Arts not in the Dept. of Science (not slagging Psychology in any way).

Luke posted 03-25-99 09:31 AM ET
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Please, can we put a bullet in this lame horse of a thread's brain stem? If I get one more 'Someone has replied to your topic' e-mail, I'm going out the eighth story window.
Q Cubed posted 03-25-99 05:14 PM ET
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fascinating, how such topics branch out.
i know of two females on this forum.

Maya, a veteran, who doesn't post much anymore.
You can tell it's her post because " *Hugs* " is at the end.

I think Undertaker is. UAPB mentioned something about that once.

Freddz posted 03-25-99 07:32 PM ET
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Hmmmm, fascinating ,
a cheap pickup line got over 60 replies... Why doesn't that happen to me by the bar...?

Freddz posted 03-25-99 07:44 PM ET
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Um, on 2nd thoughts I wouldn't wanna be crowded by a horde of horny guys...
Q Cubed posted 03-25-99 09:33 PM ET
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actually, it was my cutie who got me hooked on these games...
i think she somewhat regrets it now...

Shining1 posted 03-25-99 11:38 PM ET
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Yin
Thou art the current master of obfusication.

Was that some kind of jib at Sid, or what?

Or maybe you've been around the Nuns too long .

Seriously, I have no idea where you're coming from. And, quite frankly, I don't care, because Billy Connoly is in town. And I've got tickets . So there.

Krushala posted 09-06-99 08:24 PM ET
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Lady V don't remember her in my lurkind days.
But the answer now is not anymore.
HelloKitty posted 09-13-99 07:26 PM ET
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Another oldy but goody from my lurker days.
Kitty
actually interested here

Nell_Smith posted 09-13-99 09:40 PM ET
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Hmm. How many women? To my knowledge, when I used to post here before, a couple of months ago, there were:
Me
HelloKitty
AnnC
HeatherWst
Eris
PhatLady (but did she ever post here? If so, I didn't see her)

But maybe there are more now. Is LadyVanessa still around?

Yes, interesting, this is.

Aredhran posted 09-14-99 03:46 AM ET
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PhatLady only posted a few times in the MP forum.
Aredhran

dreadhead posted 09-16-99 08:56 PM ET
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Hmmm, strange. This is only my second post on this board, but I distinctly remember posting on the Apolyton site a few months ago asking the question about woman Civvers. Well, I'm a SMACer now but I'm glad the question came up. By the way, It would appear that I am a rather strange bird to most of you guys who posted because I love sci-fi, strategy games, and computers--hardly women's stuff (smile). I also posted on that same board a question of whether there were any folks with disabilities or people of color who Civ (or in this case, SMAC). I would be interested if there are any such folks who frequent this board. I have not posted for quite a while at Apolyton due to health reasons and school, but I ran across this board and decided to post here for any SMAC questions I have, so I'll be back from time to time. I'm only a beginner; managed to win a game though only at Citizen level. Now, I'm playing at Talent level, but think after reading the posts, maybe I'll try at Librarian or higher. As for factions, I have had the most success playing as Morgan. I also play as Deirdre, Lal, and Zakharov. I only play on huge maps, and if I could figure out the map editor, I'd create my own. I haven't figured out really, how to alter the text files except I did add about 200 more bases to the Morgan.txt files. I do have a question, though. How does one go about creating their own weaponry using the Workshop? I am a peacenik and technofreak at heart, but always want to be prepared for war if I must. Thanks for the suggestions, and please go easy on me--after all, I'm only a newbie!
Nell_Smith posted 09-17-99 08:19 AM ET
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dreadhead:
So I take it that you're a woman? Welcome to the small and exclusive "SMAC Ladies Club" Actually, no, that sounds distinctly dubious... hmm. Anyway. Nice to "meet" you. I guess you and I are quite similar, sharing what are typically "non-girlie" interests such as sci-fi, strategy games and computers. I work in computers and I've yet to meet another woman through my work, although I've met quite a few via the Net, which is reassuring.
As far as the Workshop weapon design goes, you can't design your own weapons as such, you can only use weapons that you gain when you get the required technology. When you get a new military tech, go to the Workshop and pick any chassis type (Infantry, Rover, etc), then click on the Armour and Weapons slots, and you'll see the currently available Armour and Weapons for you to use. Depending on how advanced your tech progress is, and on what armour type you give your units, you'll often find that you can get a decent weapon for the same cost as "hand weapons" or a lower-powered weapon. The debate of armour vs weapons is a long one, so I won't enter into it here. Just experiment and see what you can build, although on the whole there's often no point paying to put armour on offensive-only units (with some exceptions - but as I say, this is a long debate!). And to see the best available unit that you can build at any given time, use the buttons in the bottom right of the Workshop window. Clicking, for example, on "Air Assault" will bring up a Workshop suggestion, and this will be what is (in the opinion of the AI) the best unit of that type which you can currently build. You might want to change some of the special abilities, as the AI tends to make silly choices there, but it usually picks half-decent armour & weapons combinations. Hope this helps.

Nell