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Freddz posted 08-05-99 04:11 AM ET
And all the time the company obviously looked down on its fans on the forum. How ironic. I doubt JM did that article without anyone else at Firaxis knowing about it. I doubt it. I wouldn't have done it without at least giving my boss a hint about writing such a thing. Or maybe the man has cheese for brains.
We gave them a bunch of ****in great ideas. without them doing a goddamn thing. Leaves a sour sting in the mouth, now doesn't it.
Ungrateful ****in bithes.
Darkstar posted 08-05-99 07:04 PM ET
Then don't buy their producst, and stop paying their bills. That is the only thing that you can do... or whine. And they don't listen to whiners. But they are kind enough to put bugs in their products so you can feel validated and further bond with your Internet Forum junkies.
-Darkstar
Freddz posted 08-06-99 06:28 AM ET
The only problem is I dug up SMAC a just a week ago started playing at transcend again and enjoyed the hell out of it. Wish I had the money and time to play a lot of MP. Damn, I feel like such a traitor .
This all raises questions: Can we hurt Firaxis by not buying their product? Shall I have honor and support my allies in here, or sellout and spice up SMAC? Will SMACX be good anyway? And if people in here will really boycott Firaxis - will Firaxis give a ****?
The problem is we are not that many in this forum, and a lot less who won't buy. Sorry to let you down on this, but it is the unfortunate truth... Firaxis only big resource that could be lost, that MEANS something, is the human workforce in here. Really, some of the people in here have contributed tons of input to Firaxis, EVEN when they have whined. Even that is a huge asset to Firaxis, although they are annoyed by it. If some of THAT resource is lost, I it will damage them in the lon run...
Some seem to regard it as our GD obligation as customers to slave labour for this company for free. It's great for us I guess, but something is wrong... very wrong...
I think the best way to let them know we have tired of them is to start some new forums over at ACOL for strategy of any game we wish to discuss - or maybe divede them up with RTS and turn-based(all except SMAC) and so on. That way, we still have legitimate reasons to hang around even when we ae boycotting SMAC or get plain tired of the game. It would be real fun too. I enjoy the funny, interesting and clever forumers when I go to the boards, SMAC-discussions are just a part of the fun. And maybe we should make those less of a part as Firaxis will watch like hawks over at ACOL anyway...

Okay, about the expansion:
My SMACX prediction: It won't bring anything worthwhile to have except the all the new faction personalities, which probably will be well made and give diplomacy a neccessary boost. The aliens seem to be more or less just like human factions - that singularity wonder looks especially lame - an exact replica of transcendance with a new movie to do the smoke tricks . The new building won't give a lasting kick - it isn't a builders game anyway. New weapons and armor - oh Jesus - what is the point? I hope they all have special abilities or else, imagine: WOW! Now I can build a weapon with Attack power 16 instead of 14... and it's got a cool name too... Wow... Hehe.. Pretty pointless considering you almost discover too many new weapons already to make designing almost like labour.
So, anyway, diplomacy stands out in SMACX. I suspect it could easily be worth the price for a die hard fan. Easily. Unfortunately.
Ouch! Stop screaming at me.
P.S. Hope I haven't revoked my alliance with you now...
Darkstar posted 08-06-99 06:44 AM ET
The diplomacy is going to be the same as in SMAC, unless they re-write the entire diplomacy engine. So I wouldn't expect anything on that front. Just the names change.
But look at it this way Freddz, you'll get new bugs to help you further bond with your forumers! Isn't that wonderful?
-Darkstar
Zoetrope posted 08-06-99 08:24 AM ET
Freddz: It's not true that Firaxis did nothing with our contributions. Before they finished the game, they asked us for advice, we gave it, they incorporated it.
Then they forgot to thank us.
Freddz posted 08-06-99 08:40 AM ET
Yes, the diplomacy's going to be the same, DS. But since there will be new personalities, and it's so easy to figure out how the old ones respond and think, diplomacy is going to be more interesting - for a while at least...
Zeo: I didn't say(mean) that. I'm just saying some people here have been working their ass off to make those teriffic lists for Firaxis - and tons of people have been involved giving great ideas. They do it for pretty much nothing... seems the list coordinators won't even get the game for free - there will be no open beta and so on. Just silence. Silence, silence, silence... And then JKM mocks the forum in an article... Err... (dunno if you were being ironic with that thank you remark though...)
Freddz posted 08-06-99 08:57 AM ET
DS: There will be new bugs, probably a ton of them, but this time we shall not swallow those cheap marketing tricks so easily, huh? I won't mention them! Heh...
Btw, I haven't near decided whether to buy SMACX. I just dunno if there's any point in doing a "refusal to buy campaign". I don't think Firaxis will learn, they're so bull-headedly silent you can't have a discussion with them. That annoys me more than that article. Maybe I will go with the campaign after all...
Goobmeister posted 08-06-99 11:03 AM ET
Freddz, there bullheaded silence is why the article annoys me so much. They won't talk to us on their own forum. Yet they do interviews at other sites and post condescending articles at yet more sites.
How am I supposed to feel?
Errghh
Goob
Freddz posted 08-06-99 12:04 PM ET
I agree. It's Firaxis constant lack of responsibility to face up to these kinds of situations that bug most (me too).
One can always question what the point in having a forum if they so seldom respond to their fans. Maybe they wanna get rid of their annoying fans. But why then in that casewould JKM post at ACOL (if it was him?) about the article... ****, we prob need a psycho analysis of Mr. Morris .
icosahedron posted 08-06-99 01:26 PM ET
The Jeffrey Morris 'bot seems to have buggy software.
- icosahedron
Darkstar posted 08-07-99 05:07 AM ET
Well, its been revealed that it wasn't JKM that posted at ACOL. Just a fan of his. Asian Flu discovered the impersonation, and revoked that's person's accounts... except his original.
-Darkstar
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Author	Topic: Funny - lots of people contributed with great ideas to Firaxis
Freddz	posted 08-05-99 04:11 AM ET And all the time the company obviously looked down on its fans on the forum. How ironic. I doubt JM did that article without anyone else at Firaxis knowing about it. I doubt it. I wouldn't have done it without at least giving my boss a hint about writing such a thing. Or maybe the man has cheese for brains. We gave them a bunch of **in great ideas. without them doing a goddamn thing. Leaves a sour sting in the mouth, now doesn't it. Ungrateful **in bithes.
Darkstar	posted 08-05-99 07:04 PM ET Then don't buy their producst, and stop paying their bills. That is the only thing that you can do... or whine. And they don't listen to whiners. But they are kind enough to put bugs in their products so you can feel validated and further bond with your Internet Forum junkies. -Darkstar
Freddz	posted 08-06-99 06:28 AM ET The only problem is I dug up SMAC a just a week ago started playing at transcend again and enjoyed the hell out of it. Wish I had the money and time to play a lot of MP. Damn, I feel like such a traitor . This all raises questions: Can we hurt Firaxis by not buying their product? Shall I have honor and support my allies in here, or sellout and spice up SMAC? Will SMACX be good anyway? And if people in here will really boycott Firaxis - will Firaxis give a ****? The problem is we are not that many in this forum, and a lot less who won't buy. Sorry to let you down on this, but it is the unfortunate truth... Firaxis only big resource that could be lost, that MEANS something, is the human workforce in here. Really, some of the people in here have contributed tons of input to Firaxis, EVEN when they have whined. Even that is a huge asset to Firaxis, although they are annoyed by it. If some of THAT resource is lost, I it will damage them in the lon run... Some seem to regard it as our GD obligation as customers to slave labour for this company for free. It's great for us I guess, but something is wrong... very wrong... I think the best way to let them know we have tired of them is to start some new forums over at ACOL for strategy of any game we wish to discuss - or maybe divede them up with RTS and turn-based(all except SMAC) and so on. That way, we still have legitimate reasons to hang around even when we ae boycotting SMAC or get plain tired of the game. It would be real fun too. I enjoy the funny, interesting and clever forumers when I go to the boards, SMAC-discussions are just a part of the fun. And maybe we should make those less of a part as Firaxis will watch like hawks over at ACOL anyway... Okay, about the expansion: My SMACX prediction: It won't bring anything worthwhile to have except the all the new faction personalities, which probably will be well made and give diplomacy a neccessary boost. The aliens seem to be more or less just like human factions - that singularity wonder looks especially lame - an exact replica of transcendance with a new movie to do the smoke tricks . The new building won't give a lasting kick - it isn't a builders game anyway. New weapons and armor - oh Jesus - what is the point? I hope they all have special abilities or else, imagine: WOW! Now I can build a weapon with Attack power 16 instead of 14... and it's got a cool name too... Wow... Hehe.. Pretty pointless considering you almost discover too many new weapons already to make designing almost like labour. So, anyway, diplomacy stands out in SMACX. I suspect it could easily be worth the price for a die hard fan. Easily. Unfortunately. Ouch! Stop screaming at me. P.S. Hope I haven't revoked my alliance with you now...
Darkstar	posted 08-06-99 06:44 AM ET The diplomacy is going to be the same as in SMAC, unless they re-write the entire diplomacy engine. So I wouldn't expect anything on that front. Just the names change. But look at it this way Freddz, you'll get new bugs to help you further bond with your forumers! Isn't that wonderful? -Darkstar
Zoetrope	posted 08-06-99 08:24 AM ET Freddz: It's not true that Firaxis did nothing with our contributions. Before they finished the game, they asked us for advice, we gave it, they incorporated it. Then they forgot to thank us.
Freddz	posted 08-06-99 08:40 AM ET Yes, the diplomacy's going to be the same, DS. But since there will be new personalities, and it's so easy to figure out how the old ones respond and think, diplomacy is going to be more interesting - for a while at least... Zeo: I didn't say(mean) that. I'm just saying some people here have been working their ass off to make those teriffic lists for Firaxis - and tons of people have been involved giving great ideas. They do it for pretty much nothing... seems the list coordinators won't even get the game for free - there will be no open beta and so on. Just silence. Silence, silence, silence... And then JKM mocks the forum in an article... Err... (dunno if you were being ironic with that thank you remark though...)
Freddz	posted 08-06-99 08:57 AM ET DS: There will be new bugs, probably a ton of them, but this time we shall not swallow those cheap marketing tricks so easily, huh? I won't mention them! Heh... Btw, I haven't near decided whether to buy SMACX. I just dunno if there's any point in doing a "refusal to buy campaign". I don't think Firaxis will learn, they're so bull-headedly silent you can't have a discussion with them. That annoys me more than that article. Maybe I will go with the campaign after all...
Goobmeister	posted 08-06-99 11:03 AM ET Freddz, there bullheaded silence is why the article annoys me so much. They won't talk to us on their own forum. Yet they do interviews at other sites and post condescending articles at yet more sites. How am I supposed to feel? Errghh Goob
Freddz	posted 08-06-99 12:04 PM ET I agree. It's Firaxis constant lack of responsibility to face up to these kinds of situations that bug most (me too). One can always question what the point in having a forum if they so seldom respond to their fans. Maybe they wanna get rid of their annoying fans. But why then in that casewould JKM post at ACOL (if it was him?) about the article... ****, we prob need a psycho analysis of Mr. Morris .
icosahedron	posted 08-06-99 01:26 PM ET The Jeffrey Morris 'bot seems to have buggy software. - icosahedron
Darkstar	posted 08-07-99 05:07 AM ET Well, its been revealed that it wasn't JKM that posted at ACOL. Just a fan of his. Asian Flu discovered the impersonation, and revoked that's person's accounts... except his original. -Darkstar