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Senor Phatness posted 07-26-99 10:07 PM ET
Can I get C++ on the internet? If you know where, I would be very thankful. Where can I find something to teach it to me?
player2 posted 07-26-99 10:33 PM ET
To my knowledge, C++ is only available through software vendors like Borland and Microsoft, although there are less scrupulous ways of obtaining a copy.
As for learning the language, there are numerous texts on C++ (I own several myself). The one I currently use for my major is "C++ Primer Plus"
Darkstar posted 07-27-99 01:22 AM ET
Look for GNU C++. There may be a base level compiler you can use to finish building the compiler. Otherwise, you will need to find someone who can put the first pass together for you with matching hardware (CPU) and then send it to you to finish building.
GNU is the freeware open source project going on. Look it up on Yahoo or some other search engine, and dig. Its easily found...
-Darkstar
Zoetrope posted 07-27-99 01:33 AM ET
Buy a second hard drive, and instal Linux, because it provides a much more convenient environment for programming in C++ than M$-Windows, and all the compilers, libraries and other utilities are free with many distributions of the Linux operating system.
Incidentally, windowing interfaces to Linux now provide a more efficient and more general drag-and-drop protocol than Microsoft currently has available.
This was an unpaid advertisement.
Jythexinvok posted 07-27-99 01:34 AM ET
Depends: what opperating system are you using? If it's 9x/NT, there are free compilers out there, but you generaly get what you pay for.
If you're brave you can set asside a chunk of your drive and put linux on it (www.redhat.com is a good place to start reading, or www.slashdot.com, or lwn.org). Linux comes with a very nice compiler built in.
As for teaching, do you know any other languages or is this your first? If it's your first you might want to start with Pascal instead. Pascal was designed with the sole intention of being a teaching language, so it's easy to pick up and introduces alot of the basic ideas.
A good book is: C++:How to Program by deitel/deitel. It focuses on the core language rather then all the bells and whistels.
Stay away from anything with the word "Visual" in it. You'll pick up nothing but bad habbits from it.
SMACTrek posted 07-27-99 03:23 AM ET
Linux is great for coding.
Especially since you only pay once, if you get one of the commercial distributions. I went that route, and got fairly recent versions of everything. Java, lisp, scheme, pascal, basic, fortran, and other programming stuff came in the SuSE official distribution.
A new hard drive is the best bet, since there is no danger of destroying everything in Windows, and each drive has it's own MBR. If you're willing to live dangerously (or have funds that mandate this) you can re-partition a single drive and run both OSs from it. Just use FIPS instead of fdisk. I split an 8GB drive without any problems, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't back up what you can. I'd also recommend making a bootdisk that gets you as far as the DOS prompt in the event of a disaster. MSCDEX would be good to have on it, too.
Another word of warning. Partitioning can be a bit tricky. If you don't know how to repartition from Linux, make all the partitions you need using FIPS before setup.
Anyway, the rewards outweigh the risks of either solution. But the latter is quite dirty.
Oleg Leschoff posted 07-27-99 03:17 PM ET
Try this:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/6162/gcc.html
and, of cause, www.cygnus.com, look here for Cygwin. You'll also ge here from my first link.
To those FIPS lovers. It's another unpaid advertising, this time of commercial software -- PartitionMagic. Nothing more needed -- resize, move, copying of any partition, supports ntfs, ext2, hpfs, fat, fat32 and maybe something else. Can FIPS do anything of this? I used it more than year and didn't have crashes (that is, electricity blackouts ) in the time of performing its operations. Lucky I, counting that I don't even have any backup devices...
Eh... By the way, how this question is related to 'The Game'?
CycoONE posted 07-27-99 04:08 PM ET
Yes you can, and I did. There is a rather good compiler that has a very simular feel to the Borland ones, It is not compatable with anything above version 4.5 but that shouldn't be too much of a problem for any one that is not programing for a major software company. I don't have the site adress but it is reachable from The Programers Reseach Guild (http://personal.redestb.es/jesruiz/)
I have run into a few problems with it but the problems were all in the online manual and are no longer problems for me.
You must download each part of the program sepretly for what you want to use it for, but that is made easy by tool the site uses called a ZIPpicker that asks a series of questions about your computer and what you want.
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Author	Topic: C++
Senor Phatness	posted 07-26-99 10:07 PM ET Can I get C++ on the internet? If you know where, I would be very thankful. Where can I find something to teach it to me?
player2	posted 07-26-99 10:33 PM ET To my knowledge, C++ is only available through software vendors like Borland and Microsoft, although there are less scrupulous ways of obtaining a copy. As for learning the language, there are numerous texts on C++ (I own several myself). The one I currently use for my major is "C++ Primer Plus"
Darkstar	posted 07-27-99 01:22 AM ET Look for GNU C++. There may be a base level compiler you can use to finish building the compiler. Otherwise, you will need to find someone who can put the first pass together for you with matching hardware (CPU) and then send it to you to finish building. GNU is the freeware open source project going on. Look it up on Yahoo or some other search engine, and dig. Its easily found... -Darkstar
Zoetrope	posted 07-27-99 01:33 AM ET Buy a second hard drive, and instal Linux, because it provides a much more convenient environment for programming in C++ than M$-Windows, and all the compilers, libraries and other utilities are free with many distributions of the Linux operating system. Incidentally, windowing interfaces to Linux now provide a more efficient and more general drag-and-drop protocol than Microsoft currently has available. This was an unpaid advertisement.
Jythexinvok	posted 07-27-99 01:34 AM ET Depends: what opperating system are you using? If it's 9x/NT, there are free compilers out there, but you generaly get what you pay for. If you're brave you can set asside a chunk of your drive and put linux on it (www.redhat.com is a good place to start reading, or www.slashdot.com, or lwn.org). Linux comes with a very nice compiler built in. As for teaching, do you know any other languages or is this your first? If it's your first you might want to start with Pascal instead. Pascal was designed with the sole intention of being a teaching language, so it's easy to pick up and introduces alot of the basic ideas. A good book is: C++:How to Program by deitel/deitel. It focuses on the core language rather then all the bells and whistels. Stay away from anything with the word "Visual" in it. You'll pick up nothing but bad habbits from it.
SMACTrek	posted 07-27-99 03:23 AM ET Linux is great for coding. Especially since you only pay once, if you get one of the commercial distributions. I went that route, and got fairly recent versions of everything. Java, lisp, scheme, pascal, basic, fortran, and other programming stuff came in the SuSE official distribution. A new hard drive is the best bet, since there is no danger of destroying everything in Windows, and each drive has it's own MBR. If you're willing to live dangerously (or have funds that mandate this) you can re-partition a single drive and run both OSs from it. Just use FIPS instead of fdisk. I split an 8GB drive without any problems, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't back up what you can. I'd also recommend making a bootdisk that gets you as far as the DOS prompt in the event of a disaster. MSCDEX would be good to have on it, too. Another word of warning. Partitioning can be a bit tricky. If you don't know how to repartition from Linux, make all the partitions you need using FIPS before setup. Anyway, the rewards outweigh the risks of either solution. But the latter is quite dirty.
Oleg Leschoff	posted 07-27-99 03:17 PM ET Try this: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/6162/gcc.html and, of cause, www.cygnus.com, look here for Cygwin. You'll also ge here from my first link. To those FIPS lovers. It's another unpaid advertising, this time of commercial software -- PartitionMagic. Nothing more needed -- resize, move, copying of any partition, supports ntfs, ext2, hpfs, fat, fat32 and maybe something else. Can FIPS do anything of this? I used it more than year and didn't have crashes (that is, electricity blackouts ) in the time of performing its operations. Lucky I, counting that I don't even have any backup devices... Eh... By the way, how this question is related to 'The Game'?
CycoONE	posted 07-27-99 04:08 PM ET Yes you can, and I did. There is a rather good compiler that has a very simular feel to the Borland ones, It is not compatable with anything above version 4.5 but that shouldn't be too much of a problem for any one that is not programing for a major software company. I don't have the site adress but it is reachable from The Programers Reseach Guild (http://personal.redestb.es/jesruiz/) I have run into a few problems with it but the problems were all in the online manual and are no longer problems for me. You must download each part of the program sepretly for what you want to use it for, but that is made easy by tool the site uses called a ZIPpicker that asks a series of questions about your computer and what you want.