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itdoesntfit posted 07-14-99 04:42 PM ET

The last time I played SMAC, I destroyed all but Miriam. Her nation just inhaled my army and threw it back in pieces. I don't want to fight against Firaxis, but you should make Miriam weaker, and Santiago much stronger. If Santiago is suppose to be a warlord, why doesn't shy have a huge nation like Miriam? Her army is small and puny, as well as inferior. Another problem is that UoP doesn't have much of a benefit. They get 1 drone for every 4 people and their tech isn't much different from the Peacekeeper's. They should eliminate the drone function, and probably then, I'll play as Zakhorv. Who here agrees?
Rakeesh posted 07-14-99 05:04 PM ET
Now this may be because the highest difficulty i've tried to date is 'specialist', but miriam sucks. Her low tech levels screw her over royally. My experience is: Whoever starts off with the biggest landmass around them wins (for the AI).
Krushala posted 07-14-99 06:18 PM ET
miriam sucks! Funny. The ai plays her decent. She rolls over everyone including yang (except human players). In multiplayer miriam is especially powerful. I don't play her well. It's that ugly orange color.
mindwormh8er posted 07-14-99 06:27 PM ET
Miriam sucks big and I hate her
itdoesntfit posted 07-14-99 06:47 PM ET
I also think that the Gaian's also have it too easy. Their army (when I was playing single player level transcend) destroyed Miriam's and left mine crippled. The Gaian's are the only faction that have no unpentrible benefits. She only has -1 police, and -1 morale. Since I have an extremely large army, I never care about morale, and police means nothing to me. So I think she's getting it easy. What do you think? She should have -4 Growth (pathetic development), +3 Ecology (big time recycler), +2 industry (recycling increases production). I think the -4 growth will make the other bonuses useless.
JayPegg posted 07-14-99 09:59 PM ET
you're nuts itdoestfit. -4 growth means nno growth at all, if you had bothered to read the manual. That would render her useless, and firaxis couldn't do that!
I agree about miraim though, that +2 support and immunity to probes sucks majorily! And believe me kiddies, when you see miram with aircraft on tran, you will wet your pants
~kelso
itdoesntfit posted 07-14-99 10:04 PM ET
Then make that -2 growth. Gaia is suppose to be a slow developer.
OldWarrior_42 posted 07-14-99 10:15 PM ET
Miriam aint sh.t. Even with aircraft. She is just as stupid as any AI faction...period Not one of them know how to make a coordinated and concentrated attack against a human opponent. I have always fooled around on these forums saying I suck at the game or I am getting my ass kicked or whatever but honestly I have never lost a single game of smac from day one. And I never played civ 1 or 2. So what does that tell you about the game. It is a pure rush conquer game just like many RTS games only it is done one turn at a time . Same thing only slower. I still enjoy playing it but I still like to play Axis and Allies too so go figure huh.
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 12:57 AM ET
I can do the same, so stop bragging. I bet anyone can do that, this game is just way to easy.
OldWarrior_42 posted 07-15-99 01:05 AM ET
Hey idf...I am not bragging... I merely state a point which you yourself have agreed with me on... and that is that this game is easy. I said what I said to clear a few points up for people who know me and have been here a while. I dont brag(As winning in this game is not much to brag about anyway)I just point out facts. You do what you want with the information. :~~~
Hamlet posted 07-15-99 06:06 AM ET
Miriam is scary
Her tech sucks and I generally have no problem holding her off but the only game in which I was wiped out was because some idiot gave Miriam Mind-Machine Interface. Most of my army was positioned to invade the Hive. When Believer units came pouring out of the sky around my HQ I literally messed my pants.
I was more scared than an orange facing a blender.
Then moral of the story is that if Miriam had the tech, she could rule Planet.
Amen.
JarJarStinx posted 07-15-99 07:02 AM ET
I'm playing Miriam at Transcend and it looks like I will win. The key is to expand as rapidly as possible early on. Secure the entire landmass you start on -- even at the expense of your reputation. Get into a Demo/Green/Wealth and generate Golden Ages to expand. You can generate respectable tech if you do this. Tech is Miriam's only weakness.
LoD posted 07-15-99 11:34 AM ET
IMHO, as a Human player, Miriam is the ideal conqueror. All you need is Applied Physisics and Doc.: Mobility and the world is yours. Playing as the Believers for conquest against the AI is just boring.
LoD
*finally begins to understand why are there so many defenders of Miriam among the forumers*
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 12:00 PM ET
Miriam is a very good fation. You people assume that she is weak because of her tech. She steals what she needs, making her strong, she never, ever, invents her own tech.
Wank posted 07-15-99 01:38 PM ET
OK, IDF, what the **** are you talking about?
First you say that Miriam is too strong and lets make her weaker because she is beating your ass off (btw later u say you've never lost a game, I don't believe you).
Then you suddenly say that Miriam is so cool and how good she is and how much you love her.
Man, seriously, shut up. The last person on this forum who was so annoying was TD, but at least (and it pains me to admit it, but admit it I will) he made some valid arguments, even if it was hard to get to them after diggin through the *'s .
Wank
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 01:46 PM ET
I mean her faction is way too good. With that war advantage she can steal anything. She should lose that adventage and that painful -2 research.
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 01:48 PM ET
I never have (I restarted).
Darkstar posted 07-15-99 02:06 PM ET
IDF... Are you on drugs? Or merely a waffle? stick with you lines...
-Darkstar
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 02:17 PM ET
Are you on steroids or something?
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 02:20 PM ET
It seems as if you never sleep and you keep thinking that I'm nuts and using drugs. Why? Why am I on drugs? What do you have against me?
TheScientist posted 07-15-99 03:49 PM ET
I don't understand you all. If you think, she has too much advantages, MODIFY THE FACTION FILE! They are there for customizing! Do the same, if you think, the game is to easy!
I did this with the Hive, because it was the only faction that was able to eradicate me. (Well, I restarted, too. Who really plays a game to the end, when he knows, the he'll lose it?)
I never had problems Miriam. I normally have more than twice the tech she has (if you have problems with her probe teams, build the HSA).
The PKs and the Gaians are the only ones getting close to my tech (well, sometimes even ahead of me).
OldWarrior_42 posted 07-15-99 04:46 PM ET
As it stands in this game...when you play single player,no matter the faction you pick to play,that is the faction that will win. Simply because the AI plays their factions pretty inconsistently ****ty. Although I would agree with DS that the AI plays Miriam better than most others. I said Miriam was not anything to be afraid of but only as an AI faction. If I was to play multi player I would either want to play Miriam or the hive . But in SP I play alot of Gaians and Peacekeepers because it really doesnt matter. The computer will only play into your hands anyway.
Darkstar posted 07-15-99 05:46 PM ET
It Don't Fit... I have very little against you. But you have been skipping around on so many positions in such a short time (I Hate Miriam! I love Miriam! yadda yadda yadda), and have posted some messages which just don't make sense... I just have to wonder what causes you from going about, talking and typing sensibly to these strong off the wall remarks and posts. Or posts with no grammer and few words spelled close enough I can understand what you are trying to say.
-Darkstar
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 05:51 PM ET
I hardly type, that's why I spell wrong, because they're typographical errors. And what's wrong with my grammar?
itdoesntfit posted 07-15-99 05:51 PM ET
It don't fit isn't good grammar.
Darkstar posted 07-15-99 05:55 PM ET
As I said, I am not picking on you... just trying to understand you. SMAC has an international following, so some people who come here and post aren't native speakers. Heck, many have better English skills than myself. (More power to them!) I was just trying to figure out if you might be one of them, or had problems communicating, or just did it on purpose. Some do.
-Darkstar
SMACTrek posted 07-20-99 03:07 PM ET
Nah, probably prefers missionary.
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Author	Topic: Isn't Miriam way too strong?
itdoesntfit	posted 07-14-99 04:42 PM ET The last time I played SMAC, I destroyed all but Miriam. Her nation just inhaled my army and threw it back in pieces. I don't want to fight against Firaxis, but you should make Miriam weaker, and Santiago much stronger. If Santiago is suppose to be a warlord, why doesn't shy have a huge nation like Miriam? Her army is small and puny, as well as inferior. Another problem is that UoP doesn't have much of a benefit. They get 1 drone for every 4 people and their tech isn't much different from the Peacekeeper's. They should eliminate the drone function, and probably then, I'll play as Zakhorv. Who here agrees?
Rakeesh	posted 07-14-99 05:04 PM ET Now this may be because the highest difficulty i've tried to date is 'specialist', but miriam sucks. Her low tech levels screw her over royally. My experience is: Whoever starts off with the biggest landmass around them wins (for the AI).
Krushala	posted 07-14-99 06:18 PM ET miriam sucks! Funny. The ai plays her decent. She rolls over everyone including yang (except human players). In multiplayer miriam is especially powerful. I don't play her well. It's that ugly orange color.
mindwormh8er	posted 07-14-99 06:27 PM ET Miriam sucks big and I hate her
itdoesntfit	posted 07-14-99 06:47 PM ET I also think that the Gaian's also have it too easy. Their army (when I was playing single player level transcend) destroyed Miriam's and left mine crippled. The Gaian's are the only faction that have no unpentrible benefits. She only has -1 police, and -1 morale. Since I have an extremely large army, I never care about morale, and police means nothing to me. So I think she's getting it easy. What do you think? She should have -4 Growth (pathetic development), +3 Ecology (big time recycler), +2 industry (recycling increases production). I think the -4 growth will make the other bonuses useless.
JayPegg	posted 07-14-99 09:59 PM ET you're nuts itdoestfit. -4 growth means nno growth at all, if you had bothered to read the manual. That would render her useless, and firaxis couldn't do that! I agree about miraim though, that +2 support and immunity to probes sucks majorily! And believe me kiddies, when you see miram with aircraft on tran, you will wet your pants ~kelso
itdoesntfit	posted 07-14-99 10:04 PM ET Then make that -2 growth. Gaia is suppose to be a slow developer.
OldWarrior_42	posted 07-14-99 10:15 PM ET Miriam aint sh.t. Even with aircraft. She is just as stupid as any AI faction...period Not one of them know how to make a coordinated and concentrated attack against a human opponent. I have always fooled around on these forums saying I suck at the game or I am getting my ass kicked or whatever but honestly I have never lost a single game of smac from day one. And I never played civ 1 or 2. So what does that tell you about the game. It is a pure rush conquer game just like many RTS games only it is done one turn at a time . Same thing only slower. I still enjoy playing it but I still like to play Axis and Allies too so go figure huh.
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 12:57 AM ET I can do the same, so stop bragging. I bet anyone can do that, this game is just way to easy.
OldWarrior_42	posted 07-15-99 01:05 AM ET Hey idf...I am not bragging... I merely state a point which you yourself have agreed with me on... and that is that this game is easy. I said what I said to clear a few points up for people who know me and have been here a while. I dont brag(As winning in this game is not much to brag about anyway)I just point out facts. You do what you want with the information. :~~~
Hamlet	posted 07-15-99 06:06 AM ET Miriam is scary Her tech sucks and I generally have no problem holding her off but the only game in which I was wiped out was because some idiot gave Miriam Mind-Machine Interface. Most of my army was positioned to invade the Hive. When Believer units came pouring out of the sky around my HQ I literally messed my pants. I was more scared than an orange facing a blender. Then moral of the story is that if Miriam had the tech, she could rule Planet. Amen.
JarJarStinx	posted 07-15-99 07:02 AM ET I'm playing Miriam at Transcend and it looks like I will win. The key is to expand as rapidly as possible early on. Secure the entire landmass you start on -- even at the expense of your reputation. Get into a Demo/Green/Wealth and generate Golden Ages to expand. You can generate respectable tech if you do this. Tech is Miriam's only weakness.
LoD	posted 07-15-99 11:34 AM ET IMHO, as a Human player, Miriam is the ideal conqueror. All you need is Applied Physisics and Doc.: Mobility and the world is yours. Playing as the Believers for conquest against the AI is just boring. LoD finally begins to understand why are there so many defenders of Miriam among the forumers
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 12:00 PM ET Miriam is a very good fation. You people assume that she is weak because of her tech. She steals what she needs, making her strong, she never, ever, invents her own tech.
Wank	posted 07-15-99 01:38 PM ET OK, IDF, what the **** are you talking about? First you say that Miriam is too strong and lets make her weaker because she is beating your ass off (btw later u say you've never lost a game, I don't believe you). Then you suddenly say that Miriam is so cool and how good she is and how much you love her. Man, seriously, shut up. The last person on this forum who was so annoying was TD, but at least (and it pains me to admit it, but admit it I will) he made some valid arguments, even if it was hard to get to them after diggin through the *'s . Wank
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 01:46 PM ET I mean her faction is way too good. With that war advantage she can steal anything. She should lose that adventage and that painful -2 research.
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 01:48 PM ET I never have (I restarted).
Darkstar	posted 07-15-99 02:06 PM ET IDF... Are you on drugs? Or merely a waffle? stick with you lines... -Darkstar
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 02:17 PM ET Are you on steroids or something?
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 02:20 PM ET It seems as if you never sleep and you keep thinking that I'm nuts and using drugs. Why? Why am I on drugs? What do you have against me?
TheScientist	posted 07-15-99 03:49 PM ET I don't understand you all. If you think, she has too much advantages, MODIFY THE FACTION FILE! They are there for customizing! Do the same, if you think, the game is to easy! I did this with the Hive, because it was the only faction that was able to eradicate me. (Well, I restarted, too. Who really plays a game to the end, when he knows, the he'll lose it?) I never had problems Miriam. I normally have more than twice the tech she has (if you have problems with her probe teams, build the HSA). The PKs and the Gaians are the only ones getting close to my tech (well, sometimes even ahead of me).
OldWarrior_42	posted 07-15-99 04:46 PM ET As it stands in this game...when you play single player,no matter the faction you pick to play,that is the faction that will win. Simply because the AI plays their factions pretty inconsistently ****ty. Although I would agree with DS that the AI plays Miriam better than most others. I said Miriam was not anything to be afraid of but only as an AI faction. If I was to play multi player I would either want to play Miriam or the hive . But in SP I play alot of Gaians and Peacekeepers because it really doesnt matter. The computer will only play into your hands anyway.
Darkstar	posted 07-15-99 05:46 PM ET It Don't Fit... I have very little against you. But you have been skipping around on so many positions in such a short time (I Hate Miriam! I love Miriam! yadda yadda yadda), and have posted some messages which just don't make sense... I just have to wonder what causes you from going about, talking and typing sensibly to these strong off the wall remarks and posts. Or posts with no grammer and few words spelled close enough I can understand what you are trying to say. -Darkstar
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 05:51 PM ET I hardly type, that's why I spell wrong, because they're typographical errors. And what's wrong with my grammar?
itdoesntfit	posted 07-15-99 05:51 PM ET It don't fit isn't good grammar.
Darkstar	posted 07-15-99 05:55 PM ET As I said, I am not picking on you... just trying to understand you. SMAC has an international following, so some people who come here and post aren't native speakers. Heck, many have better English skills than myself. (More power to them!) I was just trying to figure out if you might be one of them, or had problems communicating, or just did it on purpose. Some do. -Darkstar
SMACTrek	posted 07-20-99 03:07 PM ET Nah, probably prefers missionary.