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Wank posted 07-01-99 07:02 PM ET
Hey all, I was just wondering if someone could in detail explain to me the differences between built units, and native units (ie: isle of the deep, mindworms, locusts).
Now, I know that native units and units with psi attack/defense bypass all techs involved, however exactly what else goes on?
I know morale also takes an important role.
But like, say you have a 24-10-1 unit, disciplined or green, and it's going up against a mature boil, who wins? (usually)
Wank
aceplayer posted 07-01-99 07:37 PM ET
ignore the 24-10-1 - it has no bearing
the unit could be a 1-1-1 in psi combat
so the mature boil has a 25% morale advantage (over a disciplined unit) and however attacks has a 50% boost.
This is simplified and ignores terrain and SPs and unit enhancements.
aceplayer posted 07-01-99 07:38 PM ET
whoever - not however..
Wank posted 07-01-99 07:57 PM ET
Ok then what are the highest exp levels for native and faction units, and what are the differences?
I know (think) that demon boil seems to be the highest mindworm I ever had.
Wank
MichaeltheGreat posted 07-01-99 07:58 PM ET
It ignores terrain except in attacking in fungus squares - native life gets an advantage. Also, attacks on sea are 1 to 1, so morale or Psi specific modifications are the dominant issues.
Krushala posted 07-01-99 08:05 PM ET
Elite would be the highest morale level of a regular unit. So an Elite hovertank attacking a demon boil will have a 50% advantage. Psi ground combat is 3 to 2 in favor of the attacker. If you have Dream twister you will have +100%. It's usually better to attack than defend, unless you have trance units.
aceplayer posted 07-01-99 08:07 PM ET
sometimes I am a trance unit
Krushala posted 07-01-99 08:14 PM ET
Do you mean in a trance? I used to build trance formers. I kept getting that cartoon song in my head everytime I seen them (Robots in the sky). So I stopped building them.
Wank posted 07-02-99 01:33 PM ET
Umm, Krushala, it's
"Robots in DISGUISE", not "in the sky"
=)
So in general, is Elite and Demon Boil basically equal? (say there was no 3 to 2 bonus)
Wank
Krushala posted 07-02-99 02:11 PM ET
Wow either my memory of that is clouded or I never knew the right words anyway.
City defenses do affect psi combat as well. Along with sensors I think.
Krushala posted 07-02-99 02:17 PM ET
I can't believe my computer locked up after posting that message. My ISP sucks. I might lock up after posting this one.
Nell_Smith posted 07-02-99 02:27 PM ET
Wank:
Yes, broadly speaking, Demon boil = Elite built unit. The game manual (p.69) lists the equivalent morale levels for native lifeforms vs built units as follows:
Very Green = Hatchling
Green = Larval Mass
Disciplined = Pre-Boil
Hardened = Boil
Veteran = Mature Boil
Commando = Great Boil
Elite = Demon Boil
Hope this helps,
Nell
PS: Many factors influence psi combat, but these are the basic equivalent morale levels.
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Author	Topic: Faction Units vs. Native Units (HELP)
Wank	posted 07-01-99 07:02 PM ET Hey all, I was just wondering if someone could in detail explain to me the differences between built units, and native units (ie: isle of the deep, mindworms, locusts). Now, I know that native units and units with psi attack/defense bypass all techs involved, however exactly what else goes on? I know morale also takes an important role. But like, say you have a 24-10-1 unit, disciplined or green, and it's going up against a mature boil, who wins? (usually) Wank
aceplayer	posted 07-01-99 07:37 PM ET ignore the 24-10-1 - it has no bearing the unit could be a 1-1-1 in psi combat so the mature boil has a 25% morale advantage (over a disciplined unit) and however attacks has a 50% boost. This is simplified and ignores terrain and SPs and unit enhancements.
aceplayer	posted 07-01-99 07:38 PM ET whoever - not however..
Wank	posted 07-01-99 07:57 PM ET Ok then what are the highest exp levels for native and faction units, and what are the differences? I know (think) that demon boil seems to be the highest mindworm I ever had. Wank
MichaeltheGreat	posted 07-01-99 07:58 PM ET It ignores terrain except in attacking in fungus squares - native life gets an advantage. Also, attacks on sea are 1 to 1, so morale or Psi specific modifications are the dominant issues.
Krushala	posted 07-01-99 08:05 PM ET Elite would be the highest morale level of a regular unit. So an Elite hovertank attacking a demon boil will have a 50% advantage. Psi ground combat is 3 to 2 in favor of the attacker. If you have Dream twister you will have +100%. It's usually better to attack than defend, unless you have trance units.
aceplayer	posted 07-01-99 08:07 PM ET sometimes I am a trance unit
Krushala	posted 07-01-99 08:14 PM ET Do you mean in a trance? I used to build trance formers. I kept getting that cartoon song in my head everytime I seen them (Robots in the sky). So I stopped building them.
Wank	posted 07-02-99 01:33 PM ET Umm, Krushala, it's "Robots in DISGUISE", not "in the sky" =) So in general, is Elite and Demon Boil basically equal? (say there was no 3 to 2 bonus) Wank
Krushala	posted 07-02-99 02:11 PM ET Wow either my memory of that is clouded or I never knew the right words anyway. City defenses do affect psi combat as well. Along with sensors I think.
Krushala	posted 07-02-99 02:17 PM ET I can't believe my computer locked up after posting that message. My ISP sucks. I might lock up after posting this one.
Nell_Smith	posted 07-02-99 02:27 PM ET Wank: Yes, broadly speaking, Demon boil = Elite built unit. The game manual (p.69) lists the equivalent morale levels for native lifeforms vs built units as follows: Very Green = Hatchling Green = Larval Mass Disciplined = Pre-Boil Hardened = Boil Veteran = Mature Boil Commando = Great Boil Elite = Demon Boil Hope this helps, Nell PS: Many factors influence psi combat, but these are the basic equivalent morale levels.