posted 06-26-99 01:06 PM ET            

I like it rough

posted 06-26-99 01:49 PM ET            

May I take advantage of one of my more (almost) lucid moments to politely take issue with you?

You are obviously better at the game than I am - but then I perhaps take more drugs than you thus rendering me less effective. I've now cleaned up and approached micromangement with better results. However, I, and I suspect many posters on this forum, still find a significant degree of challenge on the higher levels. However, I'll take your point here as if you are so good that you can kick the AI's butt everytime then why should I disagree. Maybe, though, it's you that's good not the AI that's (entirely) cretinous . ALternatively, I and many of your fellow forumers must hang our heads in shame.

You make some good points, some of which IMHO have merit. However, I think you've missed the point a bit. Yes, I think SMAC is a well dressed Civ2 engine. In the sense that it builds upon the triumphs of the past. For it to be criticised otherwise is to say that the cars parked outside the houses of our fellow forumers (excluding students and those of us who blow our money on other things) are nothing other than enhancements of the Model T which indeed used the boring old round-wheel in each corner technology of Sid Meier's Horse and cart - nothing new under the sun, eh. Presumably, you would dismiss all of the aerodynamic and engineering enhancements etc. of modern cars as nothing other than "well designed modpacks". SMAC, imperfect and buggy as it is, shows a clear step forward.

If, however, you mean that the game does not offer sufficient enhancements over Civ2 to justify the price then you are saying it is poor value for money not that it is a bad game.

Is that the point you are intending to make?

Oh, and by the way, I admire a man who doesn't make hasty decisions. You must have been playing it for months before you got this excited and deleted it. Well done.

posted 06-28-99 02:48 AM ET            

You may be sincere on not playing, but the rest of your BS sure is tasty.

I have had an unearned 10 day hiatus from SMAC due to Computer problems and baby deliveries and I have thougt of the game at some point practically everyday, usually while sitting on the pot and that is not because I think it is **** .

SMAC is as creative as any sequel I have ever played or seen.

Through an unforgivable trash accident I lost my first SMAC CD and thus have bought the game twice, and I still feel I got my money's worth.

Trip the venom is there, the flames of your new Mark X (Singularity flame gun) or toasty but the aim is poor.
Adjust your sights.

posted 06-28-99 12:39 PM ET            

Dude, just cause you got a new girl doesn't mean you need to slap the SMAC bitch so hard to make her leave you alone.

Seriously, I understand your concerns. I do think SMAC is a good game. But it could have been so much more. If only the developers and play testers hadn't gotten to where they stomped the computer within 150 turns (to 200 turns when they were goofing off or experimenting). Then the game play might be better balanced past that point.

You, as a human, should always be able to outsmart a simple linear processing machine. When you can't then you worry... or enjoy. Depending on the kind of person you are.

You may wander back to SMAC. The TBS Game World is too small and not enough out there. But wherever you go in the digital experience, have fun!

And finally... Yes, the forums ARE often more fun than the game. Sad but seemingly true for many. But the forums have a way of reminding you why you enjoyed playing SMAC and starting it again, so it can't be all a waste of time.

posted 06-28-99 02:07 PM ET         

It is not that SMAC is bad, I think, it is that you are valuing your dollars too highly. If I include a coke and some popcorn, even a long Movie is $5 an hour -- 10 times the cost of an hour of SMACing.

Consider it entertainment -- and for me, the only game which I have (and I buy 10 or so a year) which has delivered better per-hour cost is probably CIV II -- and I have had it for a lot longer.

Angst is a poor companion -- lighten up!

posted 06-28-99 06:05 PM ET         

Weird... for once I completely agree with trippin' on TWO posts.. WOW!

Anyhow, I don't think I've played in 3-4 weeks either. I've moved away from SMAC in both directions. I will, however, try it again when patch 4 comes out. If I'm unsatisfied, I will try to pawn SMAC off as an average game to some newbie for $15 (think I'll pull it off?).

I doubt I'll be impressed. See you around.

posted 06-28-99 06:42 PM ET         

You've deleted it from your hard drive, and say you won't reactivate it, but how much did you accomplish with it?

I know you didn't post results, but...

Did you beat the best single base Transcend ironman score on the One City Challenge?

Did you get close to a 12 pop base using only plant/harvest forest as your production for that base?

Did you win at Transcend before 2400 with every faction? Every win method? (including cornering the energy market with the Spartans)

Until you have, I don't think IMHO you can say you've beaten the AI

googlie
Putting a spin on it

posted 06-28-99 06:59 PM ET            

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dome/3802/

I think you will enjoy them more than the random challenges you stated....

posted 06-28-99 07:00 PM ET         

You've deleted it from your hard drive, and say you won't reactivate it, but how much did you accomplish with it?

I know you didn't post results, but...

Did you beat the best single base Transcend Ironman score on the One City Challenge?

Did you get close to a 12 pop base using only plant/harvest forest as your production for that base?

Did you beat the one base energy record?

Or aren't you competitive and found these challenges boring?

Did you win at Transcend before 2400 with every faction? Every win method? (including cornering the energy market with the Spartans)

Until you have, I don't think IMHO you can say you've beaten the AI

posted 06-28-99 07:10 PM ET            

they probably went into other ppl's clubhouses as a kid and said - you suck - and got the **** beaten out of them

now they can do it safely

posted 06-28-99 07:14 PM ET            

how did my reponse to googlie get ahead of his entry??

weird !!!

posted 06-29-99 12:35 AM ET            

You wouldn't hit a girl would you

posted 06-30-99 06:17 PM ET            

Nell, I could never hit you. It wouldn't be right. I'd like get the death penalty. That is what they give you when you kill a (rave) queen, right? I wouldn't want that.

posted 06-30-99 06:34 PM ET            

I haven't killed SMAC, only because of multiplay, but I've already given up on CivIII, unless I hear from people with a brain that it really is a worthwhile game.

posted 06-30-99 07:19 PM ET            

Ummm... sounds good. Can a bama boy eat hear too, or do I need more mud on ma feet to get in?

posted 06-30-99 07:53 PM ET            

why go places you hate? and tell ppl it sucks ???

go to places you like - and tell ppl how great it is

thats all I meant - get a life - think positive....

maybe they dont have a problem - but they can certainly make better use of their lives...

posted 06-30-99 07:53 PM ET            

MtG:
Errr what IS a crawdad?!? They had gator nuggets at a few places we went to in Florida... couldn't fancy it... although we did eat some conch fritters... they were, um, odd.

posted 06-30-99 11:57 PM ET            

I don't want to insult you Fenix, but, damn man, if you can't tell THOSE 2 engines apart you're retarded (once again, no offense is intended).

Originally, SC was SUPPOSED to use the same engine, but it was met with mixed feelings at E3 a year or so after WC2, so they scrapped it, and wrote a completely new engine.

(Can't ya just tell I was waiting for that game for a looong time? =) )

posted 07-01-99 01:36 AM ET            

Crawdads / crawfish / crayfish are a big, dumb freshwater prawn that are found in the swamp country of east Texas to Missisippi. They look a little more like miniature lobsters though, since they have little claws. They are dumb and macho (Kitty, keep your opinions to yourself ), since if you just drop a line with a hook right in front of them, they'll grab it - you don't even need bait - and they won't let go. (Hell, face it, they're southern. )

Gator has to be beaten out like abalone, and if you get good gator and a cook that knows what he's doing, it is damned fine - with a very subtle taste. (I cook Cajun and sea food, can you tell?)

posted 07-01-99 08:06 AM ET            

dainty? I geuss thats better than the huge breasted freak SJ turned me into in the story. I almost broke my jar in that wreck.

posted 07-01-99 10:10 AM ET            

Either they did so or it's on the slate to go this Parliament.

posted 07-01-99 02:56 PM ET            

yeah, there are crawdads in Korea.

posted 07-02-99 05:26 AM ET            

Those crawdads sound just like yabbies here in Oz; they're in all the creeks and ponds, and they'll take a line of string as quick as you can say "Jack Rob... Ma, I got another one!"

Who needs gators when we've got crocs, salties, the big kind that would use gators as tooth-picks.

posted 07-09-99 01:58 PM ET         

I grew up in Californie country, swimmin' in de rivers, and them crawdaddies'll take a toe as quick as a string ... ow!

Also have seen them in Oregon and Washington.

Good eatin'.

- icosahedron

posted 07-09-99 02:29 PM ET            

What does that prove? That if you get too imaginative you easyly **** up a good game.

One thing activision got right though was the graphics. The graphics on SMAC stinks.

posted 07-09-99 04:48 PM ET            

I don't care what excuse you want to put on it, putting out a product that has so many bugs, that it is not feasable to fix in 3 patches, is plain wrong. And people should complain about it. Firaxis is providing a product for comsumers, and it is their responsibility to provide a quality product. If SMAC was a car, it would have had enough recalls to qualify under the lemon law (mandated refund). I would like to see legislation signed that address programs.

HOWEVER! Since the current method is that your not buying a program, but a license to run a program, I doubt it will change anytime soon.

I hope however many patches it takes, that Firaxis doesn't sweep SMAC under a rug. V4.0 is incomplete, just as the game, demo, and the previous patches were. And V5.0 or whatever will be more of the same. I intend on helping in the bug fix list, but only because I think SMAC is worth the effort and not because Firaxis provides good (or not-so good) excuses.

and one more thing,
how can anyone look at a giant RAT and go "mmmmm, yummy".

posted 07-15-99 07:30 AM ET         

I don't know what kind of computer you use to play Battle.net on but you make it sound like some sort of horror story, i would MUCH rather play on Battle.net than mplayer, or kali, because on battle.net there is a HUGE selection of games to play in and for me (unlike you, or what you say) it rarely ever freezes for me, coincidence? I don't think so...and even in the rare occurance of a 'server split' does it matter? By the way, on Battle.net now there is usually 40,000 - 50,000 people at a time and that includes Diablo, Starcraft, and Brood War, i doubt Diablo2 is hyped enough to add THAT many people to it, heck im not even planning on buying it even though i owned part 1(Strategy is my type of game).

All in all Battle.net is a better service than you say it is, it's a way to play one of the best strategy games ONLINE free of cost...and you're...COMPLAINING?

posted 07-15-99 11:35 AM ET            

I would like to note that Crawfish are yummy and you can find them in the far North as well. In Minnesota they sit the vicious winters out in the bottom of the local swimming hole. And yep, they're dumb as posts in the freezing North also.

posted 07-15-99 01:46 PM ET            

My local Best Buy STILL has some of its ORIGINAL shipment of SMAC. Whoa. And got in a second, so they have LOTS of SMAC eating shelf space. But its not moving. You can tell by the number of boxes that have been worn, torn, crushed, vandalised... and everyonce in a while, re-shrink wrapped. They can't GIVE it away, and the employees aren't interested in pirating it.

Trip played SMAC for over 3 months. He played it on the highest levels of difficulty. He had loved it, to begin with. But in the end, he decided it was TOO close to Civ2. Trippin is no longer around, but you can email him if you want to know or debate it with him. Otherwise, you are taking cheap shots at a corpse... and that takes some big balls. Not!

posted 07-15-99 05:27 PM ET            

My point is that SMAC did poorly here. CtP did worse, to give you SMACophants out there something to chuckle over. But the store can't keep other things on the shelves. Such are the vagarities of the market place.

posted 07-16-99 10:07 PM ET            

I've seen fit to ignore your two hundred odd posts in the last two days. However, I need your help with the following question.

Your 200 other posts are a collection of chopped up sentences, pidgeon english, poor spelling and poor sentence structure. How is it that you managed to all of a sudden put together the good spelling, punctuation sentence structure and coherent thoughts in the post that preceeds this one?

I'm always looking to improve my grammar and maybe you could help me.

uncleroggy out

posted 07-17-99 04:22 AM ET            

What! You intend he should die, rather than suffering a living Hell. You are more generous than I.