posted 05-27-99 07:21 PM ET        

"Finally, after many months of posting I have transcended past the 1000 mark (quite late compared to some others). And yet I don't feel any different... perhaps, now I am immune to newbie attacks... yes that's it... spread that rumor, have them fear me (Mad scientist laugh.)"

All this from Mr. Victor "The number of posts has nothing to do with it" Galis.

Puh-leeeeeeze.

posted 05-27-99 10:58 PM ET            

Ignorance is bliss.

Remember that Tfs, he is ignorant, so he doesn't realize how much he is contradicting himself. So he is happy thinking he is right.

posted 05-28-99 12:19 AM ET            

And the little threat at the end? Man, I haven't laughed so well in years...

I am playing nice, never do otherwise, if you knew the slightest thing about me. Your comments show otherwise of course...

All I am saying is just let it lie, eh? It doesn't do anyone any good, and more hatred in the world is never a good thing, eh?

posted 05-28-99 03:48 AM ET            

And you shouldn't take on ANOTHER high school student that is home bound due to a medical condition. Do you want the public to see you fighting with a drugged out high school age home bound/schooled student? Someone that spends more time whacked on pain killers and mild prescription narcotics than SOBER? Tsk tsk tsk... let the children play...

And I don't believe Victor transcended. If you believe THAT, you have to believe that Singularity has... and Singularity is a much more polite chap than VictorG, if equally excitable.

posted 05-28-99 05:11 AM ET            

Why flame Victor? I don't get it. Plenty of people have pissed me off on this forum but I rarely flame them (you might have seen a couple of flames from me but they were in that Yin thread where he asked people to flame him) there's no point. I'm happy to speak my mind and argue a point but when it descends into cheap shots and flames like this I just surf away. Surely you aren't really that bothered about what someone you've never met before and are unlikely to ever meet again thinks.

All that is happening is that Victor's point about 'newbies' gains more credibility (which it doesn't deserve) because for an outsider to this debate like Greg and myself it looks like a load of newbies coming along, slating the game, Victor defending the game then getting attacked by the newbies. Then when he attacks the newbies back they start loads of childish anti-Victor threads.

Now I know that it isn't as simple as that and from reading back over old threads I can see where the problems started but can you see how it looks? Certainly if you think Victor should apologise to you then you lot should also apologise to him. I don't want to hear "He started it!" that doesn't matter. If it's wrong for him to attack you it's wrong for you to attack him back. If your flaming is OK then so is his, so there is no need for an apology.

"And you shouldn't take on ANOTHER high school student that is home bound due to a medical condition. Do you want the public to see you fighting with a drugged out high school age home bound/schooled student? Someone that spends more time whacked on pain killers and mild prescription narcotics than SOBER? Tsk tsk tsk... let the children play..."

posted 05-28-99 05:33 AM ET            

Hey, I cut some people more slack than others. Its human nature. Not necessarily a GOOD trait, but its how we are, and I can't stand above that ALL the time. Now, since this is a virtual exchange, I am a LOT quicker to share a flame and toss of a few less than polite words and phrases. And willing to let things slip. Obviously not as much as you though, Grand Peace Keeper.

Also being Human, I strongly sympathize with Trippin. I have had terrible migraines throughtout my life. While in my late teens and early twenties was the worst, I have never forgotten how nasty such a thing is. So I cut people that suffer so a heckuvalotta slack. Just like I can't pass a starving person. I've been hungry like that before, and its not something I would want anyone to know. I feel no such bonds to Victor, though, so he doesn't get that large range of slack. I cut him some, as he is willing to state, however quietly, that he enjoys the art of flaming. Indeed, I pass over mosts of his post here as trolls...

And yes, I know that if you see the middle of the flame, you don't know where it started or why. Sounds like walking in on a firefight. You know what? While some people might get their feelings slightly bruised, I doubt that would be any consistant poster here. So I don't worry about harming anyone. I might find I am surprised at times, but no serious member of the SMAC forum community strikes me as being a such a shrinking violet.

But Brother Gregg, an individual held just two steps below the Firaxians in respect, stating that Victor G has transcended? That deserved comment, no matter WHAT kind of troll...

So, shall we tangle? Or let the children play? I still have a little fuel left for the trusty flame thrower...

posted 05-28-99 05:46 AM ET            

You might be surprised to know that I didn't have any idea that Trippin had any illness until today. I don't read every post or thread so how can I tell that he's ill unless he puts it in every post? Why should he do that? Even if he does why should it make a difference to how anyone reacts to his posts?

It doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic, I am, extremely, but I won't patronise him.

posted 05-28-99 05:57 AM ET            

I understand that many that haven't had or seen many of Trippin's post would know about his particular challenges. Nor do I think that gives him a get out of jail free card.

Well, if Transcend *JUST* means 1000 posts... Hey. That's ok. But its often used in other context, which is where I seemed to have taken that. Oh well!

Well, its late, and I need some sleep to go to work so I can browse this forum.

posted 05-28-99 07:35 AM ET            

How's that for a big red H ? It's kinda hard to convey the "running" feeling with these smilies, though

Aredhran

posted 05-28-99 07:57 AM ET         

doesn�t cure tooth ache though

posted 05-28-99 02:36 PM ET            

I will also admit that at the start I did it because I was annoyed at VG. He posted the lame crap accusing people of being newbies just because they brought up the fact that Firaxis rushed SMAC out the door and looked bad because of it. Then when I shredded his response into little pieces people called it a flame?

I also admit that I have ridiculed and made fun of VG. Can't say that I'm sorry about it though. Does it make me look childish? Well, in some people's eyes perhaps. I could care less. If people care to take the trouble to read back in history, they can see why I do what I do.

If people can't tell that it's sarcasm when I _CLEARLY_ indicate that it is, or if they think that being sarcastic is in the same league as posting demeaning arrogant comments (remember newbie==scum, scum==newbie) then they need to think about this issue a little bit more.

Another thing, since when is pointing out someone's hypocrisy flaming?

One last thing, I can't sat that I hate VG, because I don't. Being annoyed is not the same as hating.

And speaking up in defense of "scum" ain't such a bad gig!

posted 05-28-99 03:04 PM ET            

[i]"He posted the lame crap accusing people of being newbies just because they brought up the fact that Firaxis rushed SMAC out the door and looked bad because of it."[/i]
See above.

[i]"the "veterans" forum"[/i]
I'm sure it was "Off-Topic" last time I looked

John III

posted 05-28-99 03:41 PM ET            

I read the thread. Very interesting. Also kind of pathetic. So many people justifying insulting, rude behavior simply because they have been sitting in front of their browsers with URLs containing alpha.owo.com for longer than others.

I also loved the veteran==intelligence part. Having intelligence makes it OK to condescend and insult "bad newbies"??

There were also a lot of thoughful posts. Yours stood out. But maybe I was paying closer attention to yours? There were others too.

Oh yeah, I also found some more vintage VG for those who are interested. Albeit not many anymore!

And now The One, The Only, da da da dum!!! V I C T O R ... G A L I S:

"Flame cannon (possibly gun) is a SMAC allusion I made back in February when i incited a general rise in flaming, back when there was still hope of beating back the newbie flood.

It in itself is not original, merely an evolution of earlier terms.

Arrogance- I am arrogant, yes, I admit it. If I post something that is arrogant, it most
likely is not a joke, unless it is funny in some other way. Veterans are superior becuase
of more experience. Not all forums are alike. Regardless of how long you have been on other forums, you are still a newbie here. It will take some time to blend in.

The comment of game release as thios forum's greatest crisis is as serious as I can be. It
brought the worst of newbies to the site. The Game forums were lost outright immediately. We veterans consider the Game forum inferior. The Non-SMAC forum is superior. The only place you will find people more arrogant than me is the game forum (newbies).

Another problem. Some newbies are shocked by the newbie/vet hostility, but those of us who have been around that long, know why it happened. It is now more a state-of-mind conflict than the ideological war it started out as. I will admit, there are good newbies,
but there are so many more bad onews that the good ones got buried.

More later,

Veteraness is a state of mind.

GALIS MODE IS NOW OFF

Remember, please give generously to RSAVG. Thanks.

posted 05-28-99 05:15 PM ET            

MikeH, you've revealed my masterplan Yes, I have intenetionally gotten newbies annoyed to see how they would react for research purposes only (IIIS, Department of Applied NIMology of course). Some newbies didn't flame, I respect that. Some did, they got the condescending lecture about how childish they are. As a result, they look childish to people just walking in on the flame battle. Now, this is the point, I am one person, if I can get my opponents to sink to a new low in flmaing me, I've won, becuase I can cry foul and have more people join my side. if I don't get flamed, there's civilty on the forums. It's a win-win for me. Both can have positive effects on the forum, but the no flame version is the better for the long term.

I have not seen many apologies on this forum, and if one is offered to me, as one has, I will accept it. One think my opponents forgot, while constructing my image into that of a horrid fire-breathing monster is that I can't stay mad at people overnight. If you flame me over a couple days, maybe I'll be mad for a couple days. I've you've flamed me once or twice, I probably don't remember. This is because I've been on the Game forum since it went bad, and... (oh, right, let's avoid the risk of sounding condescending.)

I hereby apologize to everyone who has flamed me personally less than three times (except chrsk) for my condescending veterans are better than newbies posts. Everyone else (who flamed me more than thrice), well, those posts were meant for you, and I'm sorry that I overgeneralized, but if I remembered everyone who flamed me and flamed individually back, I would have seemed no better that you and the Game forum would have been engulfed in flames for days. It was just simpler at the time to group them all as newbies, and I'm sorry, but I had to.

On the transcendence thing, it refers only to the number of posts being greater than 1000. I (if I'm not mistaken) first used this term to describe DJRR and YYYH's 1000th posting and it has caught on. At the risk of sounding condescending, I will point out that if you'd been on the forums at the time you would know this. I guess this shows taht all newbie-vet wars are a result of misunderstanding and culture clash, not one side's superiority (though I still consider SOME newbies scum).

When I say number of posts does not matter I mean it, of the veterans here since the new forum came up I will probably be the last to achive transcendance (1000 posts, nothing more). DJRR and YYYH transcended in January, and it seems everybody else has been transcending before me. Anyhow,

posted 05-28-99 05:59 PM ET            

Your wisdom and eloquence are just amazing.
Especially when compared to the usual drivel here in the Game Forum.
The people here ( I use the term people liberally) are just childish, and the way you were so able to make all of the newbie posters here (can I say newbie, I mean I am in fact a newbi myself) make them look so small.

I am in Awe. Can I be just like you. Obviously I can't be a veteran, I didn't know these forums existed until late Feb. early March. (note to self, even once this SMAC phase has past, keep surfing the web day and night because you may be able to get in on the ground floor of a new forum and be a veteran too. Oh to Dream!)

The way you deftly apologized, I am sure you made all the little ones here feel very important. Yet you did not have to abase yourself, nor admit to any humility. Thank you for being willing "to forgive and compromise". It shows how big a person you really are.

We are all really honored up here in the Game forum, Please visit us again, maybe we can create a little shrine and we can leave offerings and then you, when you can spare a moment, can leave little droppings of your wit and wisdom.

Thank you really. We are just not worthy.

posted 05-28-99 07:28 PM ET            

Ah, the sweet scent of VG's forum droppings. Mmmmmmmm!

I must admit, he is sounding more conciliatory with every post and getting more subtle, too. This one may be a tough nut to crack.

"I was going to make some condescendingpost about veteran supremacy or something like that, but... I don't feel like it. (Haven't made one in about four days.)"

Darn!! There goes my entertainment for the weekend. I'll guess I'll have to find something different to make some childishposts about.

"MikeH, you've revealed my masterplan Yes, I have intenetionally gotten newbies annoyed to see how they would react for research purposes only (IIIS, Department of Applied NIMology of course)."

What a load of horse hockey.

VG, I can buy that some of your more recent posts may have been "intenetionally" arrogant. However, the ones that were the most offensive (i.e., the earlier ones), were clearly infantile reactions on your part to "newbies" posting "Don't buy SMAC, it is full of bugs" (although nowhere in the topics can you find anything even remotely resembling that quote, outside of VG's posts that is).

Welcome to the Fantasy World of The One, The Only, da da da dum!!! V I C T O R ... G A L I S.

"Some newbies didn't flame, I respect that. Some did, they got the condescending lecture about how childish they are. As a result, they look childish to people just walking in on the flame battle."

Big whup-ta-do-da-day.

So, some people stumbled in and did the Rodney-King-Thang: "C-c-c-c-an't we all j-j-j-ust g-g-g-et along?"

Or the Mom-Thang: "Now boys ... play nice!"

"Now, this is the point, I am one person, if I can get my opponents to sink to a new low in flmaing me, I've won, becuase I can cry foul and have more people join my side. if I don't get flamed, there's civilty on the forums."

And to think all this time I've been but a marionette in the hands of the Master Puppeteer! How foolish I have been, feel and look. Well, VG the MP, please loosen the strings so that I may bow low in your presence.

Help me I think I'm sinking! Down to a new low!!

VG, it's too bad for you that most intelligent people know better and those truly interested in forming an informed (read relevant, considered) opinion will go back to the earlier posts and find out what an arrogant-S.O.B. you really are. And I suppose that's our point.

"It's a win-win for me. Both can have positive effects on the forum, but the no flame version is the better for the long term."

Golly, where would we be if we didn't have VG manipulating us into a better forum?

Hmmmmm ... didn't have VG? Sounds better already! But then what am I thinking. We need you VG! You have shown us the way! Manipulation was the answer all along. Why didn't we think of that?

"I have not seen many apologies on this forum, and if one is offered to me, as one has, I will accept it."

Shucks, even after he's checked for an apology he's not sure he got one.

"One think my opponents forgot, while constructing my image into that of a
horrid fire-breathing monster is that I can't stay mad at people overnight. If you flame me over a couple days, maybe I'll be mad for a couple days. I've you've flamed me once or twice, I probably don't remember. This is because I've been on the Game forum since it went bad, and... (oh, right, let's avoid the risk of sounding condescending.)"

Here's one "think" for everyone to consider. Did this paragraph make any sense to anybody?

"I hereby apologize to everyone who has flamed me personally less than three times
(except chrsk) for my condescending veterans are better than newbies posts."

Far be it from you, VG, to issue any personal apologies like OldWarrior_42 did for you. Now you other guys, you'll have to go back and count up those posts to know whether you just received an apology or not. Me, I'm a lost cause.

Here's a thought: maybe we can get EA to install a flame-o-meter here on alpha.owo.com and include the results in our profile so that we could all know where we stand with VG with only a single click!

"Everyone else (who flamed me more than thrice), well, those posts were meant for you, and I'm sorry that I overgeneralized, but if I remembered everyone who flamed me and flamed individually back, I would have seemed no better that you and the Game forum would have been engulfed in flames for days."

Now see all you guys: it's not that he's posted those arrogant insults that make him look bad, it's whether or not he remembered to mention anyone by name. Well, that must mean, VG, that "you look maahvehlous" because you so deftly left out people's nicks.

It's so easy to win when you make your own rules ain't it?

Too bad you flunked on this score too because you clearly were responding to me and Trippin Daily, even if you didn't mention our names.

"It was just simpler at the time to group them all as newbies, and I'm sorry, but I had to."

Nothing's lamer than a lazy flamer.

Hey! I like the ring of that. Maybe months from now I can cite that little ditty as my first step towards veteran status!

"On the transcendence thing, it refers only to the number of posts being greater than
1000. I (if I'm not mistaken) first used this term to describe DJRR and YYYH's 1000th posting and it has caught on. At the risk of sounding condescending, I will point out that if you'd been on the forums at the time you would know this."

Good risk. It's always best to "take a risky shot" at something you know you'll be able to hit dead on.

We can read, VG. Where do you think I got your remark for this topic? Perhaps, it's not as significant as I first thought.

But it did bring you out of the "Non-SMAC woodwork".

And VG, when the heck are you ever "mistaken"?

"I guess this shows taht all newbie-vet wars are a result of misunderstanding and culture clash, not one side's superiority (though I still consider SOME newbies scum)."

So are you disavowing your veterans are superior and the Non-SMAC forum is superior stance? Or was it all a joke, or a dream?

And, harumph. I still don't know whether I personally fit into that "scum" category!

"When I say number of posts does not matter I mean it, of the veterans here since the new forum came up I will probably be the last to achive transcendance (1000 posts, nothing more)."

Now I am really confused. VG, You haven't "transcended" yet? Even I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that you can't count or write.

"Anyhow, Remeber: Despite all images people have created of me, I am willing to forgive and compromise. Though some people... (chrisk for example)"

We'll remeber, VG, we'll remeber.

Congrats to all you single, double and "on-the-edge" triple VG-flamers out there. You know who you are, or will shortly, because doubtless it will be your highest priority to go back and count 'em before you frolic in VG's Great Apology and Comprimise.

For the rest of you manipulated puppets, drop by my place and we'll all get drunk before we stop by Flames R' Us for refill cartridges.

Man that Trippin Daily, he's got a racket! This post here took me _TWO_CARTRIDGES_.

Look on NASDAQ: symbol TDFRU

posted 05-28-99 09:31 PM ET            

We don't run to bull**** when it would just as well run over to us.

Victor, if it isn't pure prejudice, what is it? 99% prejudice? I'm just curious.

posted 05-29-99 12:08 AM ET            

honestly, i don't think some of you people realise what 1000 posts really means. it means:

�that you have posted 1000 times. one THOUSAND times in these forums, making statements, giving opinions, cracking jokes, dropping one-liners; giving moral support, or just poking irreverent fun at some concept. 1,000 posts, 1 kilopost, enough hours to make oneself a distinguished member of a distinguished community.
�you've been here quite a long time...before the demos, before the wallpaper, heck, back even when the intro screen had a javascript countdown! (remember that?)

tfs and co.: it's not the fact that he's exceedingly proud of having 1000 posts as a measure of his importance. He's rather proud that he's stuck it out here that long, given his opinion, and just passed a major milestone in his SMAC career.
heck, i don't care about how many posts one makes very much. it's just that if you've been here long enough to make over 1000 posts, you've earned quite a bit of respect, because not many people do.

posted 05-29-99 12:11 AM ET            

not just the transcendii.

some of you newbies and non-newbies have done the same. heck, some posters named Stalin and Hitler did the same to me (i wonder if they were one and the same).

posted 05-29-99 04:02 AM ET            

tfs99 wrote:

"Has B.R. always been VP at Firaxis? And has he always signed his messages that way?

They have every reason to be proud of the Civ heritage and quality and all. But if they don't realize that they slipped and stumbled with SMAC in terms of quality, they could be in for a rude awakening come CivIII time. Especially considering the debacle of CtP.

I'm as excited about the possibility of Civ3 as the next gamer, but the only way for Firaxis to redeem themselves is to do a timely and bangup job on the next patch for SMAC. Otherwise there will be a lot of "fence sitters" looking before they leap to buy CivIII."

The One, The Only, da da dum ... V I C T O R ... G A L I S wrote:

"But if they don't realize that they slipped and stumbled with SMAC in terms of quality, they could be in for a rude awakening come CivIII time."

-How have they slipped? I know you people have been complaining about that a lot, but unless you create a whole new genre, is there anything that will satisfy you? Is there?

"Especially considering the debacle of CtP."

-Firaxis doesn't make CTP, besides we've been saying CTP will suck ever since November (probably earlier). Heck, I thought CtP would be nothing more than an overglorified expansion pack when I saw it on Labor day weekend.

"I'm as excited about the possibility of Civ3 as the next gamer, but the only way for Firaxis to redeem themselves is to do a timely and bangup job on the next patch for SMAC."

-Firaxis doesn't have to reedem themselves for anything. Look, SMAC was good, what more do you expect? There were few to no bugs.

"Otherwise there will be a lot of "fence sitters" looking before they leap to buy CivIII."

-If you people would stop spreading horro stories and rumors then there wouldn't be any
fence-sitters. All of SMAC's problems are something maginified a million times bynewbies, that don't understand the game.

-Tired of newbies comming here and insulting the game.

>>>>>> Well, those were the opening shots.

Go here to read the whole thread:

http://alpha.owo.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000268.html

I suppose what got my ire up were the last two comments:

"All of SMAC's problems are something maginified a million times bynewbies, that don't understand the game."

and

"-Tired of newbies comming here and insulting the game."

Since VG, quoted exclusively from my post. I assumed he was referring at least to me when he used the term newbie. After all, he was reacting to my post. Seems like a fairly safe deduction.

Two points:

#1) Please don't imply that I don't understand this game. I'd whup your butt, VG, in a game of SMAC so fast your head would spin. I understand this game.

#2) Please don't characterize what I post as an insult to the game when it does no such thing.

I doubt that VG has ever been around here long enough to have read anything much of what I post. And it's obvious from his lack of interest that he probably never goes by the Multiplayer Forums.

For him to imply that I'm some kind of newbie yapping on with an itch to put down SMAC is highly offensive. Has he read my posts? I doubt it.

----------

Do I have a right to be offended. Heck yes I do! Do I have a right to defend that right. Again the answer is yes.

The thing that really puzzles me over the whole course of this sordid affair is that Victor puts down "newbies" that so many months ago disrupted discussions in the Game Forum, forcing a withdrawal to the Non-Smac. Yet here he is in The Game forum and disrupting one of our conversations!

And then when we call him to account and he's caught redhanded with his hand in the cookie jar, he backs down to the "those aren't real cookies in there", "that wasn't my hand" and "I wasn't really taking one" arguments.

No dice, Nice try, that dog won't hunt, whatever.

Sorry "Transcendi". If you want to stick around and defend his hypocrisy, go right ahead.

Did we childishly go into the Non-Smac and start pitching fits, no. So at least give us a little credit. We kept it all over here and away from the eyes of the Non-Smacers.

Looks like I hit a nerve with the initial target of this post.

Actually I'm kind of shocked. I mean, if "transcending isn't that big a deal" then why is it that you have to come over here and rag on us for picking on VG. You guys never came over here and defended VG before. Why all of a sudden now? Seems like "transcending" is a bigger deal than you want to admit.

posted 05-29-99 04:03 AM ET            

Q Cubed, it is nit picking, but in your profile I assume you me High School for High Achievers, not High Achivers?

I do have to say that the Veterans (I'll put that as anyone who registered in '98 - though if you prefer we could say in 11 of '98 - or the first week of 11 of '98 - oops that would kick Q Cubed out - what is the cutoff point for veteraness?) the Veterans do have the overwhelming number of Posts on their side. It is not a fair squabble. They have so much more practice at their poetic repartee.

As long as their is a perceived division between Veteran and Newbie, their will be tension. As long as their is open condescension their will be sparring.

Victor, I would have thought that you would be more than happy that the clashing of posts remains here in the outback. Your Off-Topic Temple Gardens are not sodden with the flung boogers of childish Newbies.

Would the Game Forum Newbies receive a warmer reception there than the Off-Topic Veterans have received here of late?

posted 05-29-99 09:55 AM ET            

You seem to not understand that anything you post here will more than likely not be seen by me. There was a day when I dreamed of reconcilation of the forums of returning here without a flmae cannon... alas, with people like you tf and trippin that will never be possible. I will never apologize to a group of angry newbies who make flame threads while I make single posts. If you don't back down, don't ever expect any respect from me for any newbie, because you've proven my point all too well.

posted 05-29-99 11:54 AM ET            

I must be strange because I thought it kind of stood out as anisland in a Sea of Flames

Thank You Warrior, for both your attempts and your wisdom.

If everyone sounded half as sincere as Warrior does in EVERY post of his then all attempts at reconciliation would succeed.

The "I apologize but I am still right" posts are fuel for the flame guns. Maybe Warrior and I have lived through enough arguments with our wives that we know to never take that tack.
It is worse than no apology what so ever.

If Tfs99 and trippin daily are the border patrol that are keeping condescension at bay
then they need to be paid more money.

>"There was a day when I dreamed of reconcilation of the forums"<
How high is your horse? High enough that you seem nervous about coming down off of it.

If having "Dreams" of "forum reconcilliation" is the price of becoming a Veteran then I am happily a Newbie for the long haul.

Try having Dreams that no one will get shot at your high school. Instead of "Visualizing Forum Peas", practice sincerity, you may discover you like yourself more.

posted 05-29-99 10:25 PM ET            

oh, and trippin:
take a look at some of your comrades; not the ones here, but some of the other ones, who are screaming on how they hate smac and how they don't understand it because they haven't played a full game yet. those are the people i dislike. i would have had no problem with you, if we all hadn't arguing on this thread that deliberately insults someone on these forums.

the last thread like this that i remember went something like this:
"IMRAN IS A FRIGGING MUSLIM!!!!!!!!",
and nobody liked that thread.

So, in the future, (this isn't adressed to just you) please refrain from using people's names in the thread titles.
======
goobmeister:
you're the first one to catch that thing.
we affectionately call our school Chambodia, after Pol Pot's now defunct regime.

As for the difference between newbie and veteran:
if you go by date registered, most people regard veterans as those who have registered before the smac demo came out, or those who have been on the forums longer than four-five months.
if you go by methods of posting, veterans are those who are polite. newbies are those who are insultind and annoying.
=====
oldwarrior:
you're taking my comments out of context. perhaps i didn't make it that clear, but what i meant is this:
i don't really consider his posts any more informed, any more valuable, than posts of those who have just gotten here, provided that both posts are given in a well-reasoned, non-inflammatory manner. but the fact that he's made 1000 posts is something big. I find it quite fascinating that one person would stay in one place so long as to make that many posts.

posted 05-30-99 02:27 AM ET            

Shoot I've been having a hoot.

Q Cubed - I'm sorry I should have caught the humor in the profile, instead of my other assumption, I will be more careful next time.

Now I feel like I should find someone else to tease.

posted 05-30-99 02:37 AM ET            

The thread you must be refering to is "Smac and its @$$hole veteran"

Well if Victor's real name is veteran @$$hole, then I'm sorry.

posted 05-30-99 02:54 AM ET            

Victor Galis - Singularity, Evk, and Yin26 have at least had that many threads to themselves. Sometimes more. So don't flatter yourself. Noone is "shaping" the image of newbies. Other than yourself. If you don't like the fact that you are being held in less respect than a bag full of dog doo around here, then you truly need those lessons in a Finishing School. 1000 posts is a nice accomplishment, but Yin26 would have "Transcended" before you if Brian Reynolds hadn't personally asked him to lead the "Gather Ideas for Civ3" effort. I can go join the "Transcend this Thread" posts and "Project 500" and hit 1000 posts without ever ONCE insulting anyone that only has 100 or less posts. So wise up. You want to try for a reconciliation? Go create a new ID, go post a few things like "Dee sucks ass cheese cause she is a super hippocrit that uses planet busters!" Try it on ANY forum here. You'll get flamed. A Transcendi may even come out to flame you cause you are an IDIOT and should keep your mouth shut until you have at least 500 post. By the way, HOW are you going to get 500+ posts if you don't post? I hope you are better at making friends in real life, cause you are doing poorly here. (Yes, I know that isn't your first concern, but you do seem to be wavering.)

Your point, VG, is that a few of us come here to let of the steam and frustration that PLAYING SMAC can cause when an event spoils our fun, whether it is a COMPUTER crash, a game killing bug, or just something that ruins our fun. Very true... I have often use these boards for that when bitten by nasty bugs in game or something else that the game has to use(computer/drivers/whatever). That just means that Firaxis is providing customer satisfaction. That's a GOOD thing. That is their business.

Gang, you should just leave him alone. I've seen many of his brother supporters flame him and flame him HARD, until he started defending SMAC and took fire for it.

*setting safety to "On"*
Imran - Brother Imran, President of the Brotherhood of Sid, I ask you to stay out of this. I know you have an Alliance of sorts with Victor, but if you can't understand how he is yet to be consilitary in his posting, just arrogant, rude, and insulting, then you really should step aside. I understand that different people express themselves differently, but I think you have grown too thick a skin when Victor Galis expresses himself. I'd hate to see you flame and get flamed, and thereby down-grade listening to some people whose love of SMAC and playing it is as strong as your passion for it.

*Safety back to "Off"*
Q Cubed - You have STRONGLY implied that those that registered before others know more. Know what? I have watched these forums since BEFORE you registered. I have to PRESUME that you did as well. Do I yell at people and tell them they are idiots because they have less posts or registered AFTER me? Nope. People are people. You can try and defend VG cause he hit quad figures for posts, but that just means he's hit the submit button 1000+ times. Heck, I can do that by hand or write a bot to do that for me. A lot of others can to. Heck, Daily is more than half way there already, and will be Transcending himself quickly. What are you and the elitist of Club 1000 going to do then? He'll enjoy flaming you all and claim he's not a newbie as he's transcended. You can't be a newbie and be transcended at the same time too, can you? Unless you are doing that Zen-Tao-Martial Art sort of thing that when you have reached the top of the rank, you start over as you know too much to know anything. Are you claiming that? I don't see it.

Newbies are everything that have registered since the Demo release? So, you had to register to post pleading for info from the Beta testers that walked these forums and dropped little tidbits and jewels? Oh, but only until about December when they got real quiet because they didn't want to ruin their relationship with Firaxis or be brought to court... The Firries thought they would do the Christmas rush, but they missed that.

Well, if you Transcendi know so much, please, why don't you use that knowledge in something that counts, like getting a job that pays money. You high school transcendi won't need to go to college. Just skip that. Save the money for a 6 month vacation cruise instead. Then go up to Richmond Washington. Tell them that you are transcendi here on SMAC's board and that Billy Boy Gates needs to hire you as his Senior VP in charge of EVERYTHING because BG, having NOT registered YET, is a super idiot and doesn't know anything. Or go to the Vatican, and tell the Pope John Paul the Second that he has to step down or take you as his Chief Advisor because he doesn't even KNOW how to use the SMAC game interface, not to mention that he isn't a transcendi on these boards... yeah. That will get you guys REAL far.

You Transcendi want any respect, you better not try demanding it cause you happen to click a button more times under the same handle on this board more than the "newbies". Respect has to be earned. We aren't seeing much that would do so by Transcendi here. Better re-evaluate your statements AND attitude. If you guys have lost this territory to yammering newbies, you aren't going to be counted in its top slots for pecking order by saying, hey, we are back, move over and shut up when your elders are talking. You got to remember, we are all idiot newbies that are doing good not to set our drinks on that built in cup holder that acts like a great storage place for our SMAC frisbees. We don't know that you can crush us utterly cause you guys are such Ubber-Gods of SMAC conversations/discussions/gossip/supposition/wasting time here, and so only show you the respect that you have earned by your words here. If that's not much, you only have YOURSELVES to blame. Maybe you should get together and see if you can get group rates at that Finishing School.

posted 05-30-99 10:02 AM ET            

DS: Would that be an American finishing school? If so, I'd rather not be brainwashed and assimilated.

You all misunderstand the true veteran point on this. All newbies know less, ABOUT THIS FORUM. They don't know about the inside jokes and such. Several of these jokes are (or were) perfectly harmless, but taken out of context, they might sound like an insult to newbies. Also I've been taken serously too often (I was only serious half of the time during the Flame Wars.)

Again, people on this forum overreact so much. 1 post doesn't deserve a thread against it. tf99's reply to it in that thread would have been enough. You realize there wouldn't be veterans here looking down upon you if that thread had never been posted. I didn't see it for 4 days (someone told me). SnowFire and Q Cubed don't post here much or at all either. You brought this upon yourselves.

posted 05-30-99 10:05 AM ET            

I'll bet I can beat you in both of those and still maintain my post levels.

PS. Microsoft HQ is in Redmond not Richmond.

posted 05-30-99 10:18 AM ET            

"If you guys have lost this territory to yammering newbies, you aren't going to be counted in its top slots for pecking order by saying, hey, we are back, move over and shut up when your elders are talking. You got to remember, we are all idiot newbies that are doing good not to set our drinks on that built in cup holder that acts like a great storage place for our SMAC frisbees. We don't know that you can crush us utterly cause you guys are such Ubber-Gods of SMAC conversations/discussions/gossip/supposition/wasting time here, and so only show you the respect that you have earned by your words here. If that's not much, you only have YOURSELVES to blame. Maybe you should get together and see if you can get group rates at that Finishing School."
How does this support your argument?

"...STRONGLY...BEFORE...PRESUME....AFTER"
Can you stop using so many caps please?

posted 05-30-99 12:33 PM ET            

You post sh*t like "With all due respect (none in your cases)" and far more, and don't expect to get flamed on sight, like the pox on a mind worm boil that you seem to be?

As far as "knowing less, ABOUT THIS FORUM" - who really gives a f*ck? I watched this forum off and on for six months, and between the crashes and the limited number of things worth saying or replying to, I didn't bother.

SAT scores in high school? If that's the measuring rod you use for what you've done in your pathetic little life, then go leave us alone, little boys, and come back if you ever do something in the real world.

American finishing school and assimilation?
And where are the HELL are YOU from, Mr. "Decatur, Georgia high school student" per your profile? Your sheer pomposity and arrogance points to the "land of wine, cheese, the Eiffel tower and little else."

"I've been taken seriously too often" - honey buns, you overrate yourself, if you've EVER been taken seriously, it's too often.

And yes, I have read some of your earlier posts, and they are just as arrogant.

I hope I haven't hurt your feelings too much Victor, I'm sure if you cuddle up with your life size, anatomically correct, talking inflatable Jar Jar Binx blow-up doll until your next appointment with your therapist, you'll be OK.

posted 05-30-99 04:03 PM ET            

Now then, MichaeltheGreat:
"ever do something in the real world."
But you use the internet, so the point is moot.

"if you've EVER been taken seriously"
I think he has. Not a good argument.

Also, Michael, you may have noticed Victor speaks German ("z.B." being the obvious clue), so why did you assume he was French?

John III

posted 05-30-99 04:48 PM ET            

But Victor seems to think he's got some special privelege to be vaguely pompous and insulting, and none but his fawning minions should dare respond.

And as for you, little Victor, "the true Veteran point" is some little hangup in your mind, and nothing more. So that you can understand it, nekulturny one, I call it "the Mongoloid principle" e.g. you can have thirty years experience, and still not know how to put your pants on. In your case, it doesn't matter how many posts you make, you don't dictate that you've "earned" respect - this ain't the f*cking Army where you've got stripes all up your arm like a Zebra. If the consensus view is that your posts are unworthy of respect because of their content, then you de facto deserve and get know respect.

Your deigning to occasionally come down from Olympus and grace us with your presence to remind us of how the boards are not the same and how you are owed respect merely makes you laughable, not magically worthy of respect.

You point out how childish everyone looks when they flame you, ignoring the fact that your sprinklings of condescension are just as childish, and just as unworthy of respect.
Yet the majority of posters don't run around bitching that they don't get the respect that they feel they deserve.

John - my "ever do something in the real world comment" to Victor was in reference to his snide challenge to Dark Star on SAT scores.

As far as Victor ever being taken seriously, My point is that it was once too often, i.e. undeserved. I haven't read all of Victor's posts, so I would assume that there are some that are well thought out, intelligent, and not condescending/insulting. However, if you have to wade through a ton of used kitty litter to find a few gold coins, who'd bother? I won't. SETI at home is interesting, and some other topics which Victor has posted about, but I have no interest in what he has to say about the suject with his combination of attitude and fragile ego. After reading a bunch of Victor's posts, I found the majority of the ones I read to be arrogant, patronizing, insulting and condescending, so I had no real interest in looking for anything of actual value. Another trouble with Victor's arrogance/condescension is that in their own minds such people usually blur the line between what they actually know about a subject and what they think about a subject.

I know that Victor speaks German, and he also likes "nekulturny" (I like that one, too Victor) which is Russian. My guess that he was French was simply based on his level of cultural arrogance and prejudice, and was more intended to see if I could get a rise out of him than anything else.

Back to you Victor - it's "New Zealand" while you are on the subject of mocking Dark Star's typos. You can defend the superiority of Burkina Faso and Uganda for all we care.

While we're also on the subject of foreign languages, Victor:
"Bakayaro, kuso o tabeyo."

PS - Victor, if you only want a board where the posters all "respect" you and quietly take your insults and arrogance, why not just start your own, and preapprove the posters there?

posted 05-30-99 04:57 PM ET            

"Yet the majority of posters don't run around bitching that they don't get the respect that they feel they deserve."
Neither did he. He responded to a thread against him.

posted 05-30-99 05:55 PM ET            

I don't know if you've been to Paris much, but a very large number of Parisians are quite proud of their cultural arrogance, and unabashed about it. They rather enjoy it in fact. My statement was more in the nature of stereotype, not prejudice.

As for bitching about respect, I haven't waded through everything posted on these forums, and a lot of it is gone anyway, but there's certainly enough circumstantial evidence, including tfs99's original quote of Victor that started this particular thread, and "...you would know the true veteran point, but you don't." Who ultimately started it is one of those pointless side issues that has been debated from nothern Ireland to the Balkans to Soweto.

Once the lead (of flames) have been flying around for a while, it doesn't really matter where it all started. Victor obviously enjoys the attention and gets his yucks out of it, because he comes out for more, and tries to stir the pot up himself.

posted 05-30-99 08:27 PM ET            

Victor flames newbies amd the game forum, we flame Victor, you get involved. Flame us. You then tell us not to flame Victor, to avoid him. You on the other hand, and Victor are the ones that intruded on us. Isn't that hypocritical?

posted 05-30-99 09:39 PM ET            

we have been here, and we used to frequent the game forums far more often.

now, however, after being flamed out earlier by ignant newbies, we haven't come back often.

so, who was it that intruded in the first place?

look, we're all going to be on the forums, so why don't we just shove the "you intruded on us" line down the w.c.
======
darkstar:
the only thing that i've tried to imply is this:
those who have been here a while have played the game enough that they know a lot of the depth of the game.
also, they know more about the forums, because they've read more posts and know more of the inside jokes, etc.

posted 05-31-99 03:16 AM ET            

(No this is not ment in anyway shape or form as a flame)

posted 05-31-99 04:23 AM ET            

You can admire the French all you want, but you'll be in a small minority. I have only met 2 decent people that were French. All the other French people I have met in person with (that I know are French) I'd let bleed to death if I had tourniquet in my hand. Can't say that for anyone else on this planet than other maybe David Duke, and I'm afraid I'd decide to use it on him anyways. He claims he left the KKK, after all.

High School was a long time ago. Not that it means much but I got 1563 the first time I took the SATs. Only got a 34 on the first pass on the ACTs. Yawn. I had a class mate the scored perfect on the SAT and another that scored perfect on the ACT. I am sure that there are others around that did as well. While getting good scores on such things might get you accepted by a few colleges, there are others that won't care. They just want $$$$ and people are silly enough to pay them that much. If it opens doors for you, then all and good. But many that do that well on the test won't see many doors open because of it. Or will be so bored by the whole deal as to not care and find something more interesting.

Every clique has its jokes, VG, but if you try applying them out of that clique, you are likely to get your butt stomped, especially if there is alcohol involved. Or, cost you the job. So think very carefully before you drop a jewel of an in-joke.

And you are correct, sir. M$ does indeed fester in Redmond. I don't know why I have trouble with its location, other than wanting to completely deny its existance at times. Hard to imagine, I know. And I've even been invited out, but that's by my Ex who now lives there...

John the Third - The critical failure going on here is that people expect a certain amount of respect and aren't getting it. As there hasn't been a LOT of cross posting between certain older cliques and certain younger cliques, well, we don't know each other and therefore when people talk down to each other and demand respect because of board "age"... Grin. I have respect for people that I have seen express their opinions well, not for insulting others. Yes, I know I have gone that far, so I don't expect that to GAIN there respect. Just wear out their patience and go away. It's about the only result that THEY can hope to gain at this point. My (apparently) badly expressed point was that I agreed with them. They are not going to get us to respect them by trying to DEMAND it. If they want to be treated like they are treated in Non-Topic, then go back to Non-Topic. They deserted this turf, and we young'uns have been enjoy chatting with each other in jest, and even sometimes discussing SMAC with each other (weird I know), just as the old hands have and do down on Non-Topic. But here on Games, since they weren't around here when many of us non-old hands started posting regularly enough to get to know each others handles, we will treat them like just like any other poster, and react to them just as if it was their first time here. Anyone that comes on here and says "Morgan is the end all be all and anyone that tries anything is just a stupid piece of fertilizer for brains floating in a stream of their own bile.", we flame. Saying "Newbies are idiots and should bow down in front of us in awe." get flamed. When Trippin says that, we laugh, and OTHERS flame. Such are the ways of social dynamics. Sorry about the occasional SILLY emphasis if its hard on the eyes.

Michael the Great - You got it bud. I still have a few friends that owe me. And so does Old Warrior. So if mine are in the can or the hole, maybe OW will be willing to tap his to get that slug put where you want it.

Q Cubed - If you were Brian Renyolds himself, I still wouldn't let you get away with claiming to know more than anyone else. Especially since BR told Yin that the SMAC development team were unaware of half the repeatable bugs reported... If you want to pretend to superiority here because you are low dog of the pack in your school and neighborhood, go for it. But we will tell you to go jump up your favorite orifice on the South end of a North Bound Diarhetic Mule. Measurement of knowledge and contributions to the forums by the amount of posts is drivel, as is the time registered for any ID. What are you going to do at the next forum meltdown and everyone has to reregister? The Elitist "I Registered before you did" are going to be screwed. And to repeat... post count means squat when all it takes is a HTML forms knowledge and scripting language to shove the count until it rolls over.

And, as far as SMAC's depth... *evil grin* most of its never seen or played thanks to poor balancing of the various paths and tacts that are in the game. I think you have even posted to that effect in the TI threads, but my retention is pretty bad when my survival doesn't depend on it, just like most humans. It has more depth than say... Deluxe Empire, but that is due to having the ability to build something other than military units. I don't think that the average game for the average SMAC player has the depth of play that Master Of Magic had, nor presented the SMAC player with the VARIETY and different ways to play, nor the ability to give such variations of tactics.

Captain Spellcheck - Grin. If I am WORRIED about someone deciding to use SPELLING errors as focal points for flaming, or not wanting to look like a serious Idjit in this virtual hallucination, I'll run it through a spell checker. But that is dangerous, as you forget how to spell. And being lazy, why would I look it up? I used to worry about such things years ago, but if they are picking on your spelling, they have surrended the flame and raised the white flag.

posted 05-31-99 06:29 AM ET            

Oh yeah, and you got the rest of the stuff right on the money, but thats not important, whats important is that your 34 makes me sick.

posted 05-31-99 09:35 AM ET            

"Ok, so why is it ok for Victor to flame us and for us not to flame him?"

-Because you started the thread. We have to flame defnsively.

I suggest a settlement until things cool down:

1) Neither side admits it's wrong.
2) You stop flaming at me in anti-Victor threads.
3) I avoid posting the Game forum.

posted 05-31-99 10:08 AM ET            

What a moron.

posted 05-31-99 11:48 AM ET            

Nice way to propose "peace" by insulting some of us more. I'll have you know I'm (a) Southern and damned proud of it. (b) family has been here since 1635, (c) related to that most quintessential non-redneck and distinguished strategist and gentleman, General Robert E. Lee himself, and (d) the south is full of non-rednecks, and rednecks, including yours, come in all national and ethnic groups.

Now, why don't you be a good boy and run and fetch me a glass of lemonade, and bring some mint juleps for my friends trippin, DarkStar and Old Warrior.

If you want "peace" (or you can't take the heat) don't package your gutless pleading for mercy with insults.

posted 05-31-99 01:24 PM ET            

"You can admire the French all you want, but you'll be in a small minority."
Strange, I thought they made The Statue of Liberty, *and* won the last World Cup.

"Actually, John, you nicely took that first quote out of context, by chopping it in half."
OK, then here's the full (much better worded) quote:

"My guess that he was French was simply based on his level of cultural arrogance and prejudice, and was more intended to see if I could get a rise out of him than anything else."
Very mature.

"certainly enough circumstantial evidence"
I've found lots against you .

posted 05-31-99 01:34 PM ET            

If you take that last comment as an insult you either a) are a redneck (certainly possible) or b)read it too fast (hey, it happens).

posted 05-31-99 01:44 PM ET            

As for idiotic and unfunny, I had no intent of being funny, and VG and his "thloberrin' thyncophants" (apologies to Chuck Jones and Sylvester the cat's thufferin' thuccotash) are not really worth the effort of true creativity. They don't show much.

Statue of Liberty and the last world cup is not a lot to hang one's gallic arrogance on, but they also DO make the best wines in the world, Baron Pichon de Longueville Pauillac being one of my personal fav's. Still not enough to justify the degree of assumed cultural superiority.

"Circumstantial evidence" - read the rest of my posts. If a "newbie" asks at least a fairly reasonable question, I give him or her a thought out reply without any condescenscion or disrespect. Unlike certain others on these forums, I don't use these forums to profess my superiority of whole groups of forum users, based on who got here first, or who's been here the longest.

I might inquire as to the relative placement of portions of your and VG's anatomy, since in making your replies to other's comments, you completely slide over Victor's condenscension and gratuitous insults.

posted 05-31-99 01:58 PM ET            

Those who've been ignoring this thread couldn't care less Victor, since if they've been ignoring it, they don't know what's in it. I hate to bruise your widdle ego, but there are dozens of threads and hundreds of posts where the game and specific features and issues are discussed, civilly and intelligently, and you are a non-issue and non-entity in those threads. (hmmmm, maybe there's a pattern emerging)

posted 05-31-99 02:20 PM ET            

"since if they've been ignoring it, they don't know what's in it"
Why? Does everyone who reads this thread have to post?

posted 05-31-99 02:41 PM ET            

Also, semantic/vocabulary lesson for the day: By definition, someone who reads this thread is not "ignoring" it, whether they post or not. Also, it is a good bet that people looking for information read threads largely based on the title, by reading the first few posts to see if the thread might contain any information in which they are interested. So it is at least reasonable to presume that many people truly do "ignore" this thread.

posted 05-31-99 06:38 PM ET            

Proud "non-vet"

posted 05-31-99 08:05 PM ET            

I generally agree with Trippin and Freddz, but hate to point out the fact that Victor "asked" or "suggested" or what have you, while tossing out another condescending slur or two, as both cousLee and I and probably others pointed out.

The thread is getting impossible to follow, if it even mattered, but Victor should have had the maturity/decency/whatever to simply suggest a truce without getting in a last little prejudicial dig.

posted 05-31-99 09:29 PM ET            

I'm not claiming to know more, and i'm not claiming that that vets know more than newbies.

I'm just saying, if you've been here long enough to post over 1000 times, you know a lot of the inside things about the forum, and possibly the game.

posted 06-01-99 12:34 AM ET            

In all honesty, I only meant this topic to be a nitpicky thing about VG's transencdance post. I realized at the time that it was nitpicking, and a number of Oldies have pointed that out. You guys were right.

I suppose I can admit that things have gotten out of hand and too serious. I also apologize to any Oldies who may have also been offended in passing. I meant no harm to you.

I agree with the many that this thing has run its course. In fact I was going to make exactly the same suggestion as Victor G. (please note, I have left off the fanfare).

I will abide by the conditions. No flames to each other. No VG insulting/flaming topics.

All I can say in my defense is that I found VG's two comments to me, that ignited this whole flame war, to be truly insulting and unjustified. In the future, I would ask all Oldies to please be more careful who they decide to hit with the label "newbie", OK?

Despite that, I'm willing to set all of this aside.

Victor, I'm sorry that I insulted you so severely and repeatedly. I also had a bit too much fun (at your expense) doing it and that is why it went on for so long.

So, to VG and all the other Oldies, live long and prosper and ...

posted 06-01-99 12:51 AM ET            

Third, if the argueing or the insulting gets too much, blow it off and ignore it. Without occasional input, people will lose interest. The next time you mention a "politically incorrect" joke, jest, or low key insult, well... that will PROBABLY ignite a flame, unless people are bored trying to get you to stop. Who's to say that in two months, they won't change their mind? Hey, Yin saw the light, according to most people, so others can.

Q Cubed - I *see* your point. Mine is that you can't JUDGE time spent here = 1000 posts. If someone WANTS, they can get a 1000 post count in a day. That is certainly not time enough to have greatly enriched all who read the forums. Heck, for the first 2 to 3 months, I had less than double digit posts count, because all I had did was report bugs and ask one question. I had read some of the Games and Non-Topic threads in those times. Does that mean that I gained 100 posts count equivilance? I don't think so. And I am sure you don't either.

Well, off to other threads. Victor Galis, you are welcome to posts here by me, as if you needed it . But realize that many people won't understand, or try to understand, your "jokes" (including me). Might be best to be a little cautious in your phrasings while people still have you on their flaming lists. Or just ignore them.

Oh... 254 seems to be the thread count MAXIMUM. After that, if you use the urls, you can posts more to it, but the forum software doesn't seem to like to display the actual thing. Just a blank. Or so says what we saw with the "blah" thread...

posted 06-01-99 02:27 AM ET            

She peered around a bit, saw the smoking embers in the fire circle, felt the warmth of the rocks.

She saw a few scuff marks in the loose dirt, even a few spent shell casings.

She sighed.

There were no bodies though, a good thing at least, everyone seemed to have left under their own volition.

There was no victor at this seen, nor loser under the ground.

She whistled to her horse who meandered over in his own time.

As she mounted and looked off down the road, she thought, "They do not learn, I could help them all so much, they are so close and they almost say the right things, but never do they discover the truth.

posted 06-01-99 06:31 AM ET            

LMAO
Aredhran

posted 06-01-99 10:51 AM ET            

The past 107 posts as a whole were not the most mature collection of posts on the forum, they also weren't the least. There were some good points on both sides of the argument.

But I am sorry if a poster comes into these forums and is seen by those who dwell there as rude and condescending they have every right to run the individual off or try and change his/her ways.

We can try to be decent and civil in this process, but we must let our feelings be known.

Goob

posted 06-01-99 11:50 AM ET            

I do think that over all there is a very friendly atmosphere in this forum. Even on this thread.

There are obviously hard feelings, but for the most part people were civil if not always sensible.

If someone were to read one thread on the Forum and be scared off then it could happen here, on the other hand this is the exact type of thread that would draw me out of the lurking woodwork if I were still there, it may have that effect on others.

Some may argue that I should have remained in the lurking woodwork but it is too late now you are all stuck with me.

So in the long run I would rather see this thread and this type of thread exist, with people communicating what it is they feel and think.

I do not view this thread as a "Flame Fest", as much as an argument between people who barely listen to each other and most likely will never agree. A fruitless exercise by highly amusing if you have no emotional involvement.

posted 06-01-99 04:29 PM ET            

If we run a Kalahari type off, the forum gains because of the loss because he was dragging the forum down.

If someone like Victor is run off then the forum does lose a little bit. But, if I or you, or trippin, or tfs99, etc., do not say what they feel to this person the forum loses even more. Because we have lost the honest edge.

I would be happy if Victor posted here anytime he pleased, but if he decides to leave because the written sparring is not worth the effort then good riddence.

We as Game Forum posters must feel free to disagree, if we can do it civilly great.

I choose not to be condescending and rude and arrogant, I certainly know how to do it but it does not achieve the results I desire. I will most likely offend very few people. But if someone sets him/herself up to be roasted then so be it. Don't ask me to turn the other cheek, so as not to reproach someone who has poor manners.

If Victor leaves he is doing so because of choice he has made, and his choices only. As he points out he is a Forum Veteran, he knows the ropes and can make his own choices.

I would be surprised if for even one moment Victor was seriously hurt by any of the above postings.

posted 06-02-99 04:48 AM ET            

I think you are way off line here. You have no valid arguments whatsoever. F*ckin' stupid really. And, what really is a girlie doing in here anyway? Leave, or I'll organize a newbie posse after you. I promise we have enough flamethrowers to vaporize your current account or at least drive you to the Science forum, and believe me yu'll be lonely posting in there.

Freddz turns his "Burger King III" flamethrower model off.

posted 06-02-99 12:26 PM ET            

With his staff in hand he set forth to find and conquer any lurking veteran, too timid to post in the Game Forum.

After minutes of fuitless searching he began taunting them mercilessly.

Here Veteran, veteran, veteran.

I scored 1410 on my SAT's, I even had a solid 30 on my ACT's see if you can beat that!

Hey you smelly Veterans, have you found that with 1000 posts girls swoon as they pass you in the hall before social studies? And are you sure that it is not from your stench?

Yes Young Warrior was a bad ass, ready and willing. No one knew his true identity, though often late at night as Nell would sit chortling over her latest concoctions and home brewed love potions, and trippin daily was wondering what the physiological effects of 100 hours without sleepy was similar to transcending after 1000 posts... The Young Warrior could be found in a small candle lit room quietly singing:
>> Happiness is a warm Flame-gun
>> Happiness is a warm Flame-gun
>> When I hold you in my arms
>> And I feel my finger on your trigger
>> I know no one can do me no harm
>> Because happiness is a warm Flame-gun
>> -Yes it is.

Goob

posted 06-02-99 12:28 PM ET            

I want to edit.

posted 06-02-99 06:22 PM ET            

Goob:
Don't knock it... those potions really do work... <even more chortling>

Young_Warrior:
Nice try, Bryunn Reynoldz, but I'd recognise you anywhere...

Nell... off do to some more Obi-Wan JPG surfing... drool

PS: Goob: take it from one who knows (and wishes she didn't)... the physiological and psychological effects of 100 hours without sleep are... too scary for your young ears!! hehe

posted 06-02-99 09:13 PM ET            

Freddz, you better stay away from Nell. Nell is my dealer in great English Techno. N O B O D Y will get in my way of that. You flame her, and if the Rave Queen so desires to kill you, I will burn you to a charred stump. But it won't be all in one burst, it will be a slow death... So leave my pusher alone, I'm an addicted and I need my ****.

Everybody else, isn't it time we start another thread.. 203K is horrible.

posted 06-03-99 12:47 AM ET            

Profile for Victor Galis

Date Registered:
11-02-98
Status:
Member
Total Posts:
1065
Current Email:
[email protected]
Homepage:
http://get.to/victorg
Occupation:
High School Student
Location:
Decatur, GA, USA
Interests:
Computer Games, Computer Games, being nationalist, chess, spouting rhetoric

...nice guy. Especially For someone who refers to his opponents as American scum.

let the enlightened one ramble: "Ubber-gods," DS? Vieleicht du meinst �ber-gods. Hmm... I'll not take lessons in anyhting from a
nekulturny American (except maybe math, science, English, Comuters, and World History (and
you wonder why the American educational system is so bad.))

Say DS, do you speak any foreign languages? "

this tells us only one thing. Victor speaks no German. Maybe some of the Swiss version. Anyhow. A Rough translation of his "German" would be:

Perrhaps you means �ber-gods.

posted 06-03-99 06:02 AM ET            

Trippin: Are you firing me from my official job of flaming SMAC, Firaxis and everyone in the forum? If you think I'm doing a bad job, just tell me so...

posted 06-03-99 03:28 PM ET            

Freddz:
Yeah yeah... but do you have that superb "I've just spent six months in elocution lessons getting rid of my Scottish brogue" upper-class English accent?? And more to the point, do you have a light sabre?? And a spaceship? Well? Do you?

Trip:
lol well you know I've always been full of **** ... or else how could I come out with so much nonsense on this forum? hehe
Yeah OK, the first 48 hours of the 100 were pretty kewl... but that's coz they were spent doing precisely what it was that kept me awake for the other 52 hours... the completely sucky ones where I wandered round the house looking like the walking dead and snarling at anyone who so much as looked at me... come to think of it, not much change from usual, really!!
So here I am, hanging around on ICQ, MP3s at the ready, and where is my faithful addict?? Nowhere to be seen. I mean, what's the use of being a dealer if nobody wants to buy your sh*t?? Grrrrr
Oh and btw... please don't turn Freddz into a crisp until I've established whether or not he really DOES look like EMcG... it would be a shame to fry such a gorgeous object... hehe

Nell

posted 06-03-99 06:17 PM ET            

Yes... It's all true. You're making me blush by confessing this:O

Okay then, I'll organize a posse and prepare for your warm welcome...

posted 06-03-99 06:49 PM ET            

Freddz, you mean knife, not sabre, right?

posted 06-03-99 08:55 PM ET            

Seth:
Just go to the FAQ link at the top of the Forum page and there's a list of how to do all the smileys. For example, you get a smile by typing : and ) together

Trip:
Work?!?!? Don't you know that's a four-letter word?!? Never mention it again in my presence!!!! Uh oh, too late, now I've started thinking about all the projects I didn't finish while I was in Florida. Curses, curses and rats