posted 05-17-99 02:36 AM ET        

-Victor Galis This idiot has to be the biggest sack of **** ever created. He is full of more **** than a bag of fertilizer. "Newbies cause all the problems" Will you grow the **** up Victor and open your damn eyes. Just because someone doesn't post in the off topic forum doesn't mean they are a newbie. Hell, Tfs shot your post to **** single-handedly. But I'm not looking to discredit you (tfs already did that), I'm looking for you to apologize to all the "newbies" out there. They don't start problems. Sure the OCCASIONAL one may cause some trouble. Like Yin did, then came along Singularity and I with the quest to piss off everybody in the forums. But we've matured, we only piss off people who deserve to be pissed off, and that means you. And yes, newbies from time to time do post info that people who have been on the forums have already read, but it isn't there fault. What do you want them to do Victor, read the whole forum from last year to see what has been said. I don't think so. So Victor, why don't you just admit that you were wrong. Admit that you are a jackass and try to change your prejudiced newbie bashing ways. If you don't, us "newbies" will bash back.

- Patches that make my damn computer crash "Hi, this is patch 3, can I crash your computer?" FIRAXIS says its system configuration problems. Bull****. How come every other damn game under the sun works just fine on my computer, but SMAC? How come SMAC worked before patch 3, not after? I think the answer is shoddy programming on FIRAXIS part. I wonder if they will hire an actual programmer to work on the fourth patch. Probably not. I'm getting my hopes up there for absolutely nothing. I think Firaxis owes us a REAL patch and an actual apology for all the bull**** they have been trying to feed us. But I doubt we'll get either.

-People who hate the few blah threads they had, so they make blah bashing threads, thus creating new blah threads. Then they bash some more about the blah threads on new threads, thus creating more threads. Is this ignorance in action or what?

Well thats about it for now, tune in next time for more bashing, or you can add a bash of your own. It's easy, all you have to do is find a lil hate inside of you.

posted 05-17-99 04:35 AM ET            

Seriously, I tend to disagree with what Victor has said, though I'm rather biased towards "SMAC is good, even though it has a lot of bugs". The software business isn't a business where version 1.0 is on time and works as it should. But then again, I don't play games 'till they don't drip....

Trip, I do believe that you have difficulty acquiring new supplies for your flamethrower, but do drop in from time to time. No one charboils someone like you do...........

posted 05-17-99 04:35 AM ET            

Oh yes, and Yin, when I read that first post you left on my "death thread" I wanted to flame back so damn badly, that wasn't a funny joke man. I was dying there.

posted 05-17-99 06:11 AM ET         

Good to see you back. How's that strategy guide coming along?

posted 05-17-99 11:37 AM ET            

Think of it as a favor. You were down and out. I made you want to flame again. I helped you remember who you are.

Shiny,

posted 05-17-99 12:04 PM ET            

So all of youse kiddies apologize to all the other kiddies about calling them nasty names and go back to talking about which gal has a better ass... Deidre, Santiago, or Miriam. And let the gals complain cause they don't have no hunky men to compare which looks better.

Gesh! You'se kiddies find the silliest things to take offence at...

-Darkstar

P.S. Howdy Trippin. You must have started adjusting to the new prescriptions. You seem to have some emotions other than relaxed again. Or was it just 4 bean burritos?

P.P.S Yinapalooza? This I have to see.

P.P.P.S Didn't we have to flame you like crazy Yin and tell you to stop insulting the SMAC teams genetic code as you shared 99.9% of the same DNA or something when you first got on the board? Or is this old man of the electon highways and byways getting senile as well?

P.P.P.P.S. Don't you think this many PSes are silly? I do... Bad as blah threads...

posted 05-17-99 07:39 PM ET            

Oh yeah, and Victor, the newbies await your apology. And Tim, we want an apology from Firaxis for giving us buggy patches and blaming it on us for not having the most up to date computer around. It is actually ****ty programming on your part. It is hardware problems, why did it work before and not now if it was a hardware problem?

posted 05-18-99 12:21 AM ET            

You mean you started when there was already electricity? [shaking my greylocks in disbelief at the callow youth]

Dont you remember those hand-crank "computers" .. the ones that divided by subtracting a zillion times?

C'mere, sonny.. lemme show ya my collection of carved rocks in hex..

posted 05-18-99 01:46 AM ET            

I do admire your optimism, though. If you didn't know, firaxis has three (? last I heard) programmers working on it, patch four will take about another 3 weeks or so, and Brian and Sid have their eyes firmly fixed on the trilogy to end all trilogies. It would take a world full of Yin's to fix that, and, sadly, the cloning vats are owned by firaxis.

[Yin hears a knock at the door and opens it to find a field full of Chris Pines, all holding pitch forks and flaming torches. He screams in utter disbelief, before being silenced and dragged away to the inquisition...]

posted 05-19-99 05:59 AM ET            

That's *60.6* percent, people. This is the SMAC forum, for Christ's sake ! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind some Civ3 discussion at all. I mean, I loved Civ2, I enjoy discussing it, and the perspective of further enhancing the TBS genre and being part of the Next Big Thing is really enticing...

But please, STOP CLUTTERING THE *SMAC* forums with Civ3 stuff. It does not belong here. Go trash the newsgroups if you want, or even better follow Yin to the dedicated place at Apolyton. He clearly understood my point before I even had to state it, so why don't you all do the same ?
</anger>

posted 05-20-99 08:49 PM ET            

FIRAXIS, will patch, OH WAIT, i mean "enhancement" 4 work on all computers, or will this one also add MORE crashes to the game like the last "enhancement?" Will you also blame this on our computers, or will you <huge gasp> accept the blame?

posted 05-22-99 08:15 AM ET            

Victor G. might have some problems (you can refer to me as Victor B.), but I am sure you are exaggerating somewhat on them, and not telling the whole truth. First, I will look at your first complaint about Victor disliking newbies for posting in the wrong forum. He could be nice and tell them to go to the off-topic forum, but do you think they will listen? In order to get to the forums, they have view a list of all the available forums. So, wouldn't they know about the off-topic?

Ever hear of the sayings "IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT ALL" and "TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT"? Those aren't just sayings for little kids. Adults (if there are any in this forum) can use this too. Fighting will not fix things, or at least it will not be a good solution. Possibly you could ASK Victor G. to stop his bashing. Notice how I don't have a single "*" (except the one I just showed, obviously) in my whole post?

As for the blah threads, what is the point of them? To have fun and make nonsense? That is FINE but only so if the people participating in these threads respect others in forms other than the Off-Topic. THAT IS WHERE BLAH THREADS BELONG. Get it? Off-Topic.

posted 05-23-99 09:18 AM ET            

-Now, I said you spread horror stories about SMAC. I've not seen Imran, SnowFire, YYYH, or any other veteran spread such stories. And if you aren't a veteran, you're a newbie. And if there is a problem and the veterans aren't it; who does that leave?

"And he does this in almost every post of his that I have read in the Game forum."

-Not every post, but when I feel that I or SMAC is being flamed, I must reply.

"He doesn't post here much anyhow."

-Why? Because this is the forum where bad things happen, where people spread horror stories and where people flame each other left and right.

"And he always says newbies are bad, and makes like veterans are the saviors of the world."

-Well, yeah. Except take that world part and replace it with SMAC.

"And he claims I make people less likely to post (well unless i flame you, then yeah),"

-No, read the post over, I said you make people less likely to buy SMAC. If you tell someone: "SMAC is full of bugs," whether its true or not, you have discouraged that person from buying the game.

"but I'm sitting here bitching about someone unfairly critizing newbies because they didn't know that was in a post 6 months ago."

-I'm criticising you becuase you spread horror stories about SMAC not, because you wouldn't understand "May your saliva freeze in heaven!" (I mean most vets won't remember the thread, or might not have seen it at the time.) What you had to have seen is the athmosphere of the time, when no one worried whether you were newbie or vet (and why, because you couldn't tell from the style of writing or the subject.)

"While he bashes on newbies, making them less likely to post."

-Again, what does this have to do with anything?

posted 05-24-99 06:37 PM ET            

I post this out of boredom. Please bear with me.

>>>>> The One, The Only, da da da dum!!!
>>>>> V I C T O R .... G A L I S

"I don't think newbies are the worst thing in the world, but I think veterans are better."

-- How generous of you. Even when he's conciliatory he's insulting.

"Some newbies show judgement, such newbies post in non-SMAC and don't waste time talking about trivial bugs"

-- Some newbies show judgement and refrain from posting in non-SMAC where of course everyone uses their time "wisely" with such topics as:

a) Topics without titles accessible only by wading through the HTML source

b) Fictitious Future Civil War Games

c) The I Club XXXV: Mos Eisley

d) Examining Blah: The comprehensive theory
(yes it's true, a forum analyzing blah posts)

e) Post here if you're bored 'cos no one posts in your favourite threads at the moment

f) Heloooooooo!
(this one is a clever HTML posting that appears blank, yet it has gotten 6 responses!)

g) etc. etc. ad nauseam

"somehow my mind elevates them above newbieness"

-- VG coins a new word: newbieness. And oh what I would'nt give to be "elevated" by VG. IYKWIM&ITYD.

"they no longer count as newbies, or at least not as ordinary newbies. Maybe I'll call them mature newbies"

-- Wow. We can aspire to become "mature newbies" Here I was thinking there was no hope at all!

"anyhow, when I say newbie, i mean anyone who acts according to my definition of it (making them scum)"

-- As opposed to those who cast aspersions and insults at people they've never met, that's perfectly OK and not "scummy" in the least

-- Remember you scummy newbies, in order to make the transition to veteran, you have to at least be willing to insult your former comrades

"those who do not act somehow get classified into not-quite-veteran-yet status (miles above newbie status, but unrelated to post count)"

-- Of course it's gonna be tough to reach that not-quite-arrogant-SOB-Victor-Galis-yet status (miles above not-quite-veteran-yet)

"I know, its bring for ou to read through 110 messages"

-- Yes, many things are "bring for s" scummy newbies

"and it may be buried a little by now"

-- Now there's a real shame and loss to our culture at large, VGs posts buried

"I'm a bit too lazy to repost my opinions over and over again"

-- Yeah, it must get "bring for ou" to keep posting the same mindless insulting drivel over and over again

"People will ask me what I have against newbies, and talking about how it brings fresh arguments to a debate, however, more often then not, they will reopen a debate we're all sick of"

-- As opposed to your posts that just make people sick in general

"(i.e. newbie vs. vet.)"

-- perhaps you mean (e.g., newbie vs. vet)?

"I mean, after a while you geta sense of futility, becuase no matter how many times you post something, you will have to repost it next week for the next generation of newbies to see"

-- that's one thing about "scum", we breed like the dickens

"(I mean debate topic-wise, not necessarily jokes, clubs, stroies, etc.)"

-- you mean you have a sense of humor, VG? Who'd a thunk it?

"After awhile you get tired of this and you feel like telling the newbies to go back and read several month's worth of posts, ah well"

-- bored and jaded and still just in High School, tsk, tsk. Good luck in real life VG!

Thanks for the entertainment VG. Gotta hand it to ya man. Ou ake the cake!

posted 05-24-99 06:55 PM ET            

The sad thing is that VG's posts are serious.

posted 05-25-99 07:08 PM ET            

"Reconciliation? Hah? Some things are hopeless and as much as we'd love to fix them."

Simple apologies go a long way towards reconciliation. VG, you don't want to fix this situation. Please don't pretend like you have any interest in doing so.

"Just as America is hopeless (yes it is) a newbie-vet reconciliation is beyond possiblity."

What the heck does America have to with this argument? Backing up one groundless assertion with another is no way to make a case.

"The sheer creation of this distinction is enough to impede most conciliatory attempts."

So perhaps if you dropped this artificial distinction, reconciliation might be possible?

"Again, I started neither the holier than thou attidude nore the distinction"

No one here hauled out the distinction until you put it forth. And I'm willing to bet that most only use the word "veteran" in a mocking fashion when applied to you, VG.

"I merely perpetuate the attidude."

And how, VG, and how! "Don't blame me," VG says. "I wasn't the first arrogrant S.O.B. So that must make it OK for me to keep on being one right now!"

Is it so hard to let it go? Or is this attitude so firmly rooted in your sense of self-worth?

"The distinction doesn't need me for survival; it's too late, face it."

Every little bit helps, VG, every little bit helps.

"Alright, fine, but I warn you go too far, you'll find yourself insulting more than one person."

Bring 'em on, VG, bring 'em on. I'd be amazed if you can find another person(s) who is willing to stick up for your arrogant and insulting comments. And I'd be even more amazed if any of them expressed outrage over our responses.

My 25 cents is waiting ... there must be a place near you where you can buy that clue.

posted 05-26-99 08:36 AM ET            

Victor G. These 'newbies' (I don't like the term myself) might not agree with you and you might not have experienced the bugs they are talking about (I haven't seen them all but I haven't played MP which is where a lot seem to be and I have had a few problems with patch 3) but I think it's a bit out of order to claim that all newbies are better than all vets. That's ridiculous. What is the real difference? The only thing I can see is a change of tone between a few posters who resent their personal forum having a sudden influx of new posters. The new posters shout at Firaxis and demand bug fixes and complain and us Vets sit back thinking oooh how rude. Maybe they have got a point. I might not agree with the tone of people like Yin when he first arrived but that doesn't mean what he said when he arrived was invalid, just that more people listened when he chilled out.

There have been some great contributions by 'newbies' in some of the threads in the Non-SMAC forum and that place is as cliquey as anywhere.

It's not up to you or any poster here to secure Firaxis sales with our posts. You can't be claiming that someone shouldn't report a bug because if someone sees it they might not buy the game. If anything the aim of posters on this forum should be to help build a better game not sweep its defects under the carpet. Sometimes this place does seem a bit like a SMAC flaming zone but underneath all that the people posting like the game (or why would they spend so much time here complaining?), some of them are just frustrated that things are preventing them from enjoying it 100%.

Newbies aren't worse than vets, we are all individuals. Plus I have to admit that I am a so called 'vet' on this forum from last June or so and I don't really know who you are. The way you post in these threads is no more mature or sophisticated than the people you call newbies and attack. In fact you could say it was a bit more childish as you stick to your guns about newbies being worse than vets which is I suppose just date-registeredism.

I understand that you like SMAC and want to defend it but to get the reaction you have you must have done something to piss people off. Reading your comments in this thread I can understand their point. Perhaps you should try to see what they think is so bad?

posted 05-31-99 05:32 PM ET            

the racism in this thread is starting to get little disgusting, when both parts are concerned. Keep to the subjects folks and you will force your arguments better. I for one know how easy these arguments get out of hand

posted 05-31-99 08:15 PM ET         

I have seen this newbie/veteran attitude a lot on M**'s and all it seems to do is drive newer players/posters away. But the attitude is self-perpetuating since the 'newbies' try to be like the 'veterans' which tends to prop their egos much like what fans do with the egos of sports/movie/music stars. If the 'veterans' are arrogant and insulting, those who came and ultimately stay become the same way.

So many times, I have seen others complaining about 'newbies', 'twinks', 'trolls' or whatever clearly forgetting that at one time, they too were also new. They too also asked questions that had been answered before. They too at one time flamed because of how a 'veteran' had treated them.

The end result is that those not having the emotional stability to stay calm, respond with flames, which results in the 'veterans' gang-flaming some poor soul who was the victim to begin with simply because he/she was a 'newbie'. They then leave never to return, never to share whatever wisdom they might have added.

posted 06-02-99 02:03 AM ET            

But I do think he went too far? Yep. I can understand WHY Mark would have to ban Trippin. A week is light punishment in my book. Of course, so does Trippin, when he is in a less outraged state about censorship and whatnot. Don't you Trip?